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Title: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Ataraxia on October 19, 2013, 11:49:58 AM
Hi all.

I just had a few questions about this. I know that as transgender women, we're prone to having larger feet than your average female. I myself wear a size 11.5 (US) womens, but can squeeze into an 11 and sometimes a 10. So a few questions I had about this:


  • Is it ever an issue when it comes to passing? When you're at a shoe store, for example, and the attendant is helping you pick the right size. Do they ever say "are you a man?" or something like that?
  • What stores do you shop at to get nice shoes your size? I have a very hard time finding places that sell shoes big enough for me and when they do, they're either sold out, or they don't have as good a variety.
  • I've heard some people say that they may go down a size after HRT. Is this true? How is it possible??
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: suzifrommd on October 19, 2013, 11:57:43 AM
I'm a woman's 12.

Impossible to find shoes. Only one shoe store in our area has a selection of shoes in my size, and their shoes are pretty low quality (but cheap, so perhaps shouldn't complain).

The store is called Payless. No sure where you are, so don't know whether they would be there.

I've also been known to shop at Nordstrom, which does not have a great selection of 12s but has salesfolk who will find them for you and bring them out to try on. They're awfully, pricey, though.

Never had passing issues related to my feet. People don't gender people by their feet. Chest, hair, face, build, walk, voice, but I've never heard of someone gendering someone based on their feet.

I've heard the connective tissue in your feet (and there is a lot of it there) can lose volume as a result of lower androgen levels. Therefore it is possible that your feet could get smaller. Never seen a study, though.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Ms. OBrien CVT on October 19, 2013, 11:58:10 AM
I have never had problems with sales people.  I wear an 11-12.  I can get some shoes at Walmart of all places.  Payless has larger sizes.  I have heard the going down a size, but I think that is a myth.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Carrie Liz on October 19, 2013, 12:03:08 PM
Yup... no problems for me either. I walked into the store, they asked me what size I was and what I was looking for, led me down the aisle to where everything was, gave me a sales pitch for the sales and the particular brands that they recommended, and that was it. No questions, just helpfulness.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Jenna Marie on October 19, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
I've never had a problem with shoe size "outing" me, and I started off wearing about a women's 10 or 11. I found that Sears often had shoes in sizes up to 12, if that helps, and that sometimes getting a "wide" size spared me having to go up a size - as in I'd fit a 10W or 11 medium in the same shoe.

I'm not particularly interested in having an argument about whether I'm lying, but those same shoes I bought for everyday wear at Sears, I now need a 9W instead of a 10W... and the gorgeous size 11 black pumps I bought and wore maybe twice, don't fit anymore. (Neither do my men's size 10 combat boots from before transition.) Depending on the shoe and style, I seem to have lost about a size to a size and a half. My guess is it's related to that width thing again - my feet seem somewhat narrower now, and that may mean that I fit more easily into smaller sizes in women's shoes which assume a narrower foot, like the pumps. I wish now that I'd actually thought to measure length and width of my foot when I started HRT, but I thought it was a myth too. :) Now I'm kind of annoyed about all the pretty shoes I bought early on and can't wear!
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Lauren5 on October 19, 2013, 04:35:08 PM
Lucky you, I wear a men's 12 or 13, but am currently wearing an 11, and it's a little big, which would then translate into 14, 15, and 13. All of which is impossible to find cute shoes at reasonable prices for, online at least. I wished T wouldn't have made my feet so big.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Heather on October 19, 2013, 04:51:55 PM
Quote from: Willow on October 19, 2013, 04:35:08 PM
Lucky you, I wear a men's 12 or 13, but am currently wearing an 11, and it's a little big, which would then translate into 14, 15, and 13. All of which is impossible to find cute shoes at reasonable prices for, online at least. I wished T wouldn't have made my feet so big.
I wear a men's 12 and I can wear a woman's 12 no problem. The sizes are pretty much the same when you get past 11. :)
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Ms Grace on October 19, 2013, 05:13:47 PM
I'm not sure if Australian shoe sizes are the same as US but I'm a size 11 men's and the size 12 women's I bought were too big. I bought them online which is risky because you don't get to try first but online large women's shoes is a big business, good range and generally cheaper. I'm fortunate in the fact that, although tall (6'3") my feet and hands are smaller than men my height; my father, who's 6'1" has massive hands and at least two shoe sizes bigger than mine... dodged a bullet there!
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: FrancisAnn on October 19, 2013, 05:19:40 PM
I just do not think you will see any change to foot size, maybe. However I've never had any change or have any girl friends had any real change.

I feel lucky, 5' 9" & 9 1/2-10 US size.

Take care & good luck,

Francis
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: K8 on October 19, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
I wear a woman's 11 or 12, depending on how the shoe is made.  My feet are the same size as they were, but now that I'm getting older I find my feet can't take heels anymore.

As for my feet outing me - never.  Even if they suspect I might be trans, they keep it to themselves.  Their job is to sell you shoes (or dresses or blouses or whatever), and they want to help you and to make the sale.

Anyway, there are a lot of cis-women out there with large feet.

- Kate
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Jamie D on October 19, 2013, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: Jenna Marie on October 19, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
I've never had a problem with shoe size "outing" me, and I started off wearing about a women's 10 or 11. I found that Sears often had shoes in sizes up to 12, if that helps, and that sometimes getting a "wide" size spared me having to go up a size - as in I'd fit a 10W or 11 medium in the same shoe.

I'm not particularly interested in having an argument about whether I'm lying, but those same shoes I bought for everyday wear at Sears, I now need a 9W instead of a 10W... and the gorgeous size 11 black pumps I bought and wore maybe twice, don't fit anymore. (Neither do my men's size 10 combat boots from before transition.) Depending on the shoe and style, I seem to have lost about a size to a size and a half. My guess is it's related to that width thing again - my feet seem somewhat narrower now, and that may mean that I fit more easily into smaller sizes in women's shoes which assume a narrower foot, like the pumps. I wish now that I'd actually thought to measure length and width of my foot when I started HRT, but I thought it was a myth too. :) Now I'm kind of annoyed about all the pretty shoes I bought early on and can't wear!

I don't think anyone is lying about wearing progressively smaller shoe sizes while on MtF HRT.  You can lose both fat and muscle tissue in your feet.  Bone structure does not change, so there are some real world limits on what sort of changes you might see.

One other thing to consider is that women's shoe sizes are notoriously inaccurate.  Part of it comes from marketing techniques used by some manufacturers to label larger-sized shoes (based on the standard) as smaller sizes, to appeal to the vanity of the buyer.  One reason to always try on a pair of shoes before you buy them.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Lauren5 on October 19, 2013, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 04:51:55 PMI wear a men's 12 and I can wear a woman's 12 no problem. The sizes are pretty much the same when you get past 11. :)
That's good. Unfortunately the really cute size 12 boots I saw were way expensive. I'll do some more searching though. Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Jill F on October 19, 2013, 06:59:12 PM
Widewidth and womanwithin have cute boots up to a 13.  My wife and I both wear a 13, and I know how hard it is to find bigger cute shoes.  They also can be found on eBay, as there is a huge crossdresser market there.   It's yet another challenge for us, but it's far from insurmountable.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Jenna Marie on October 19, 2013, 09:13:41 PM
Jamie : Thank you for that. :) I guess I'm a touch defensive after having people say my experience is clearly impossible and not true.

Good point about the sizes, too. I recently had a nightmare with finding sneakers, having to order them online in a brand and style I'd never worn before, and hope that *this* time the darn things would fit. (In fact, the main reason I believe my feet changed is the shoes I already had ending up too big. Sizes in the stores... yeah, who the heck knows how they compare even to the same shoe or maker as years ago.)
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: anjaq on October 19, 2013, 09:40:11 PM
I cannot comment on 1 or 2 as I did not have that issue, but in respect to 3 I can say that it is possible. Maybe rather half a US size, one Euro size. I was German size 42 before, barely found 41s that fit me. Probably mostly because of width. After a year or two on HRT I could regularly buy size 41, a few times 40 and some times I needed 42, depending on the cut and style. I think HRT reduced muscle mass and changed fat distribution and thus the shape of my feet so that they fit better into thes size41 now. But dont expect wonders from that - One German size is not a lot, I think it is <1/2 US size or so? And with most people I met this did not happen. For me it was great as 42 is the cutoff in regular womens stores so by going to 41 I stepped over the line and can shop normally now
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Just Shelly on October 19, 2013, 11:03:46 PM
Quote from: Jenna Marie on October 19, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
I've never had a problem with shoe size "outing" me, and I started off wearing about a women's 10 or 11. I found that Sears often had shoes in sizes up to 12, if that helps, and that sometimes getting a "wide" size spared me having to go up a size - as in I'd fit a 10W or 11 medium in the same shoe.

I'm not particularly interested in having an argument about whether I'm lying, but those same shoes I bought for everyday wear at Sears, I now need a 9W instead of a 10W... and the gorgeous size 11 black pumps I bought and wore maybe twice, don't fit anymore. (Neither do my men's size 10 combat boots from before transition.) Depending on the shoe and style, I seem to have lost about a size to a size and a half. My guess is it's related to that width thing again - my feet seem somewhat narrower now, and that may mean that I fit more easily into smaller sizes in women's shoes which assume a narrower foot, like the pumps. I wish now that I'd actually thought to measure length and width of my foot when I started HRT, but I thought it was a myth too. :) Now I'm kind of annoyed about all the pretty shoes I bought early on and can't wear!


I think this may have some truth to it, my feet have appeared to have shrunk some...I think its mostly any fat or muscle that was present before?? I'm not sure though??  The same could be said for my hands! The last time I bought male shoes was years ago in the early stages of accepting myself....I then fit in a men's 7 1/2  Before that though in my pervious gender I didn't much care about my shoe size!! LOL I just figured I was an 8 and that's what I bought.

All shoes are different though....a narrow pump or sandal and a 8 1/2 to sometimes a 9 fits comfortable....most of my other shoes are women's size 7 1/2 to 8 1/2 which would be equal to a mans 6 to 7 ....so who knows!! I feel most comfortable in a size 8W.

Although I do not think the size of someone's feet can misgender someone...I do feel that smaller feet help gender correctly! I still think my feet and hands are big compared to many other women but I find out many times that isn't the case. I was comparing shoes with a women at work when she then took off her shoe to see what size she had on...I commented how tiny her feet were, only to find out she was wearing a size 8 1/2....I had on a 8....strange how one's perception can make something appear differently!
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Eva Marie on October 20, 2013, 12:20:52 AM
I seem to have lost about 1/2 a shoe size on 4 years of low dose HRT. I seem to fit into most women's size 10 shoes now whereas before size 10 was extremely tight - some size 10 shoes I have are now quite loose. I'm currently on a higher dose of HRT and I'm curious if my feet will shrink further as I go along.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Jamie D on October 20, 2013, 12:47:40 AM
Quote from: Jenna Marie on October 19, 2013, 09:13:41 PM
Jamie : Thank you for that. :) I guess I'm a touch defensive after having people say my experience is clearly impossible and not true.

Good point about the sizes, too. I recently had a nightmare with finding sneakers, having to order them online in a brand and style I'd never worn before, and hope that *this* time the darn things would fit. (In fact, the main reason I believe my feet changed is the shoes I already had ending up too big. Sizes in the stores... yeah, who the heck knows how they compare even to the same shoe or maker as years ago.)

The standard is supposed to be based on this doo-hicky:

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kbfootwear.com%2Fimages%2FBrannockDevice.gif&hash=736b62fe83192b5dcbde2e486e8cced75647b206)

Good luck with that!!  Right?  I have seen shoes that were off two sizes.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Shaina on October 20, 2013, 02:11:52 AM
I really don't think you have anything to worry about when it comes to being "outted" for having large feet. There are cis women who are born with big feet and-if they weren't born with them-you'd better believe they can grow during pregnancy!

Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Jenna Marie on October 20, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Jamie : I know!! I think "vanity sizing" has crept into women's shoes as well as clothes. Which I guess at least is good for someone who wears a 14 according to the doohickey but can fit into a store's 12. :)
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: anjaq on October 23, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 20, 2013, 12:47:40 AM
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That thing does not seem to work properly. I went shoe shopping today and there was a thingy like that lying around, so I remembered this thread and tried it. But it gives me a wrong number compared to what shoes I bought there. It misjudged my size. Maybe I did it wrong - I went in with just my socks and then moved these sliders to my feet and then carefully stepped out. But it did not give me my present shoe size which is 41, so I dont know if I trust these things...
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Jenna Marie on October 23, 2013, 12:54:16 PM
Anjaq : As Jamie and I were saying, I think it's the other way around - you can't trust the shoes. :) Brands and styles now don't necessarily use sizing that conforms to a general standard anymore. Of course, that does mean the shoe sizing device isn't that useful in those cases...
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: anjaq on October 23, 2013, 01:59:46 PM
What good are these things then? I mean I did not fit in any of the shoes of the size that thing gave me and I tried about 15 or so different ones. In 90% of them I fit with the 41 size and in the rest I did not fit at all because they were too narrow no matter what size. I mean the last time I tried such a measuring device must have been in late puberty or so, since then I only just tried shoes and derived my most likely show size from that.
Maybe they know that and dont make accurate devices like that anymore and that is why this one was giving wrong results...
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Robin Mack on October 23, 2013, 02:22:21 PM
Size 13 women's here, although the style of shoe can make a difference, sometimes I can get away with a 12.  I am now the proud owner of 6 pairs of cute shoes, thanks to the efforts of my fiancee, who has a much better collection that I am quite envious of. ;) 

I would have to second the Payless suggestion.  Their shoes are reasonably priced and the staff helpful.  I went shopping in male mode, they were very helpful with no strange looks or questions as I tried them on.  I bought four pair the first trip!  :)

If I had been presenting female, I really don't think they would have outed me either.  Seems they were genuinely interested in selling shoes. ;)
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: anjaq on October 24, 2013, 02:44:27 AM
Interestingly I saw at that shoe store I was that had this broken foot measurement device, that they now had XXL sizes of many of their shoes. Meaning they have size 43 now and print XXL on the label . I wonder how much average womens foot size has increased in recent years to open up such a market for them ;) . But at that size it really is a thin pallette of styles only in that shop. Like <5% of the shoes are sold in XXL. At size 42 (the one I had pre transition) they have like 5-10% now, at size 41, my present size they have about 70% - usually not so much the very femme ones with high heels, but I dont mind that ;). At size 40 they basically have all they can have.

So if this "doohicky" thing in the store would be right about my present show size, I would be happy as it showed me size 40, but thats impossible as I had size 42 with such a device like 20 years ago and in fact now I buy shoes of size 41. So thats why I say that thing must be broken...
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: K8 on October 24, 2013, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: anjaq on October 24, 2013, 02:44:27 AM
I wonder how much average womens foot size has increased in recent years to open up such a market for them ;) .

My favorite department store had many styles in my size (42 or 11 American).  When I thanked them for the large selection, the clerk said they used to just carry a few but they got so many requests for the larger size they started carrying the good selection.  Like everything else in the US, women's feet are getting bigger.

- Kate
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Robin Mack on October 24, 2013, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: K8 on October 24, 2013, 02:28:21 PM
My favorite department store had many styles in my size (42 or 11 American).  When I thanked them for the large selection, the clerk said they used to just carry a few but they got so many requests for the larger size they started carrying the good selection.  Like everything else in the US, women's feet are getting bigger.

- Kate

It's not just that... apparently not all that long ago retailers all reached the same conclusion that it just wasn't profitable to sell larger sizes in women's shoes.  The result?  No larger sizes for women *anywhere*.  Just 15 years ago Walmart carried up to size 13 (I know because that is where I bought my first pair of pumps), then suddenly *nothing*.  Anywhere.

Now a few chains (like Payless) are realizing that that market is vastly under-served and are making some serious money by being one of the few to provide them.  CIS women have big feet, too... think of poor Peggy Hill for those of you who know the show.  :)
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Lauren5 on October 24, 2013, 03:01:49 PM
Quote from: robinmack on October 24, 2013, 02:33:00 PM
It's not just that... apparently not all that long ago retailers all reached the same conclusion that it just wasn't profitable to sell larger sizes in women's shoes.  The result?  No larger sizes for women *anywhere*.  Just 15 years ago Walmart carried up to size 13 (I know because that is where I bought my first pair of pumps), then suddenly *nothing*.  Anywhere.

Now a few chains (like Payless) are realizing that that market is vastly under-served and are making some serious money by being one of the few to provide them.  CIS women have big feet, too... think of poor Peggy Hill for those of you who know the show.  :)
I saw a cute pair of size 12 boots at payless for $30; the shoes I'm currently wearing, men's 11s from Meijer (I usually need at least a size 12 in men's, but usually have to go for a 13) that are actually too lobg and wide. According to payless' size chart, I'm in the 10.5 to 12 range.
I later saw the same pair of boots at Walmart for $50, and at Macy's for $75, both in sizes no larger than 10, and in wide only. Better deals, bigger sizes, I'm shopping at payless for shoes.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: anjaq on November 03, 2013, 04:35:01 PM
Ok, I just checked - German shoesizes are tied to the metric Millimeter. So I dont know how to explain this away - Before HRT the measurement instrument showed 42, now it shows 40/41 - how?
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: kelly_aus on November 03, 2013, 07:00:39 PM
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 20, 2013, 12:47:40 AM
The standard is supposed to be based on this doo-hicky:

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kbfootwear.com%2Fimages%2FBrannockDevice.gif&hash=736b62fe83192b5dcbde2e486e8cced75647b206)

Good luck with that!!  Right?  I have seen shoes that were off two sizes.

These devices actually require some skill and training to use.. The ones I've used also came in Mens and Womens. I can use them, and I get my correct size.. The joys of having grandparents that owned a shoe shop.. Turns out grandpa was quite well known in the CD and trans community - he stocked the larger sizes..
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Apples Mk.II on November 03, 2013, 07:15:06 PM
I'd kill myself in your situation. Guess I should be more grateful. I use a 42 eur (8 1/2 us), a 41.5 better if I can find it, but...

Most cheap to medium brands here only go up to 41 which I can only describe as short. Short like not having enough space inside and coming home with a bleeding toenAil.

In the end, mist of the time i ended buying them in amazon uk. Even in unisex clothing like converse all stars they would not bring "girly" colors in sizes bigger than 41. Meh
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: anjaq on November 03, 2013, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Kelly the Post-Trans-Rebel on November 03, 2013, 07:00:39 PM
These devices actually require some skill and training to use.. The ones I've used also came in Mens and Womens. I can use them, and I get my correct size..
Seriously? Training to use a fancy ruler with a slider? I mean for the width and all that i get it but for the length. The ones they have here look different - you have to place both feet in them, slide to the back of the heel until it touches barely the plastic and then slide the front thingy to the toes so it barely otuches. Mens and womens sizes are officially identical here - its metric ;)
I get the correct size about. It ready like 40/41 and I have 41. In the past it read 42 and I got 42. Shrug - i dont know. I will stop with it here I guess as obviously i am an "impossible girl" there ;)
Title: 11
Post by: Apples Mk.II on November 07, 2013, 01:00:54 PM
BTW, I have a pair of 11 size court shoes high heel they sent me incorrectly, and with extra width. If anybody is interested, consider them a gift.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Ataraxia on November 09, 2013, 02:56:12 PM
Wow, thanks all very much for the informative replies! I guess that makes sense about the shoe size getting smaller. I doubt that will happen to me though since my feet are already fairly bony as it is, and very thin. Also, I see now that there are quite a few places IRL that sell fairly large women's shoes. I was looking on mostly online ordering sites (which isn't terribly helpful anyway, since you can't try them on or anything).
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Danielle Emmalee on November 09, 2013, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: Apple Sprout on November 07, 2013, 01:00:54 PM
BTW, I have a pair of 11 size court shoes high heel they sent me incorrectly, and with extra width. If anybody is interested, consider them a gift.

got a picture?
Title: Re: 11
Post by: Ataraxia on November 09, 2013, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: Apple Sprout on November 07, 2013, 01:00:54 PM
BTW, I have a pair of 11 size court shoes high heel they sent me incorrectly, and with extra width. If anybody is interested, consider them a gift.

I'm interested!
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Apples Mk.II on November 10, 2013, 08:06:30 AM
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They feel far too strange. Too wide (I wanted them normal and bigget than they should, and previouly I've proved that I need at least a 42 or 41.5 for closed shoes, and my third toe is touching, so I may not have the correct foot shape for these things.
Of course, shipping costs are for the one who wants them. International shipping ain't particularly cheap.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Ronnie on April 06, 2014, 01:13:17 PM
i can fit into size 7 female shoes perfectly and 7 1/2 male shoes UK sizes no pain what so ever compared to my younger brother who has size 12 UK but then again he is 6ft 5 and I'm only 5ft 7. one of my friends is female and she has size size 9 and they don't look big and no one points that out  :)
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: DiDi on April 07, 2014, 03:08:42 PM
For me its width width width. I am a 40-41 in European sizing which I find has a lot less variation that North American. I am OK with casual shoes but anything dressy and heels are all made so very narrow.  :(
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: FalseHybridPrincess on April 07, 2014, 04:18:25 PM
Im 41 european too

and yes heels are damn narrow , hey maybe hrt will help a little
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Rainbow Brite on April 07, 2014, 04:28:54 PM
 My feet went down a size. I was a size 9 in women's shoes and I am now a size 8. I prefer to wear a size 8/12 though because my left foot tends to swell up a little because of my old fork lift injury.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Shodan on April 07, 2014, 04:33:19 PM
I'm jealous of everybody and their tiny little feet. I wear 13-14 mens. I haven't found a shoe store yet that sell women's shoes that would fit my big paddle feet.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Rainbow Brite on April 07, 2014, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: Shodan on April 07, 2014, 04:33:19 PM
I'm jealous of everybody and their tiny little feet. I wear 13-14 mens. I haven't found a shoe store yet that sell women's shoes that would fit my big paddle feet.

In comparison to most trans women, I am pretty short. I am 5'5. Which I think is why I have been asked by 2 other trans women at the last TDOR memorial service if I was there to support someone.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Cindi Lane on April 08, 2014, 10:03:10 AM
Weight reduction may result in a reduction in the required shoe size (high weight causes the foot to spread and more muscle mass to form to help control the foot movement).
Androgen blocking or elimination may result in a reduction in the required shoe size. (reduction of muscle mass).

Reduction is situational and dependent on the individual's genetics.
Someone losing 100+ pounds of weight is very likely to see noticeable change, losing 20 pounds not so noticeable.  Someone who has been athletic in a foot centric sport (e.g. free climber) that has strengthened their feet, is more likely to have noticeable change when blocking or eliminating androgens.

The selection and availability of women's shoes for large feet is limited, but not impossible, I'm male US size 14 to 15 with D width (Birkenstock 48) and I have many cute shoes.  I'll even admit that I have too many shoes (yes it is possible).
I buy shoes as soon as I find a style I like in a size that fits, the largest sizes are made in limited quantities and it is rare to find anything in stock for more than a few months. (The brands LaDame, Pleaser, Ellie do have reasonably consistent availability, but limited selection)

Hugs to all
-Cindi
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Ataraxia on April 08, 2014, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: Cindi Lane on April 08, 2014, 10:03:10 AM
Someone who has been athletic in a foot centric sport (e.g. free climber) that has strengthened their feet, is more likely to have noticeable change when blocking or eliminating androgens.

That actually makes me very optimistic, because I have been a runner since high school. Looking at my foot now, a lot of the size appears to come from the muscle in my heels. If that were gone I think I could fit into a women's 10. Of course, I understand that it may not happen as instantly as I hope for it to, or even at all, but the fact that it may happen makes me feel much better :)
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Amy1988 on April 08, 2014, 12:50:37 PM
Quote from: riversong on October 19, 2013, 11:49:58 AM
Hi all.

I just had a few questions about this. I know that as transgender women, we're prone to having larger feet than your average female. I myself wear a size 11.5 (US) womens, but can squeeze into an 11 and sometimes a 10. So a few questions I had about this:


  • Is it ever an issue when it comes to passing? When you're at a shoe store, for example, and the attendant is helping you pick the right size. Do they ever say "are you a man?" or something like that?
  • What stores do you shop at to get nice shoes your size? I have a very hard time finding places that sell shoes big enough for me and when they do, they're either sold out, or they don't have as good a variety.
  • I've heard some people say that they may go down a size after HRT. Is this true? How is it possible??

Guess I got lucky.  I wear a size 7 or 8 women's.  I love shoes.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: anjaq on April 10, 2014, 11:19:46 AM
wee - interesting. i needed shoes for gym and at the supermarket they had some for 10 bucks, but only in euro size 40, i thought what the heck, usually i buy 41, maybe they fit or i return them. and they actually fit. that is in comparison to a size 42 pre hrt which is 16 years ago but i gained 20 kg since then, or even 30. how...
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: ClaudiaLove on April 18, 2014, 06:35:14 AM
  Hi ,

  I just got a nice surprise today  :D
  A couple of months ago I bought online some shoes in the biggest size they were available ( 10 and a Half in US Standards) , but they didn't fit and I was kinda sad , both because there was a reminder of how hard I will find shoes and because I liked those particular ones .
  I just tried them again today and  :o they fit great . So today I am happy , again for both reasons : my feet did shrink a little and I can wear those shoes I like now .
  Now I am looking forward to get some more feet size decrease in the future  :D .
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Aquarelle on April 18, 2014, 10:03:38 AM
Aparently, I am some sort of lucky, because I am 180 cm (5'11) and wear EU 41, which should be women's 9,5 - 10 US, depending of the converter. I know several even shorter cis girls, that wear the same size as me, so I have not big problems finding shoes.
In fact, before I started HRT, I wore one size bigger shoes - EU 42, which should be 10,5 or 11 US and my foot size was around 27 cm - now it is 26, so obviously there is a change :)
I don't know if it happens to everyone, but if I have to be honest, I didn't believe it, until it happened.
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: jussmoi4nao on April 27, 2014, 05:02:22 AM
I never had a problem with sales people but then again I have very small feet for women as tall as me (5'11ish) let alone men. I just got a pair of heels (cuz I frankly don't care how tall I am lol glaamour is glaaaamuor, daahling) and they're size 8.5 (womens obvs).
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Lost in L on May 11, 2014, 12:47:28 AM
:( us size 14 women's. Wouldn't be a point ever to going in a shoe store. But I think I lost size from weight loss, was in 15 first off. Amazon is my go to place. But really no selection of any regular styles for that size. But I do guess if my feet were smaller I might be broke lol  :P
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: @Diana on May 11, 2014, 12:59:18 AM
Quote from: riversong on October 19, 2013, 11:49:58 AM


  • Is it ever an issue when it comes to passing? When you're at a shoe store, for example, and the attendant is helping you pick the right size. Do they ever say "are you a man?" or something like that?

I had issue in Thailand's shoe stores, not here in Australia though :D .. am wearing a size 10

Quote from: riversong on October 19, 2013, 11:49:58 AM
  • What stores do you shop at to get nice shoes your size? I have a very hard time finding places that sell shoes big enough for me and when they do, they're either sold out, or they don't have as good a variety.

always Shoe Shed, Nine West & Target

Quote from: riversong on October 19, 2013, 11:49:58 AM
  • I've heard some people say that they may go down a size after HRT. Is this true? How is it possible??

not true ... to me anyway lol  :D
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Nicole on May 15, 2014, 06:30:16 AM
mine went down a size or 2,
What happens is they get thinner, sightly shorter.

As for big feet, my best female friend is a size 10, 12 months ago she was a size 9, she's 28 now.
Her sister had a baby in June, now she has the biggest female feet I've ever seen. She went from a size 11 to a 13 after her baby, she now cannot find female shoes at all in her home town, so her feet look bigger than what they are
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: sammielicious on May 17, 2014, 09:41:48 PM
One thing i noticed is women's sizes vary a lot! i can easily wear an 8 in some brands.  i do where a 10 if it has a really high heel though. It's just more comfy that way. i'm lucky that me and my ex-girlfriend and niece all share the same shoe size. :)
Title: Re: a few questions about feet size in mtf transition
Post by: Allyda on May 21, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Before starting hrt I wore a size 9 womens narrow, sometimes a 9 & 1/2 or 10 depending on brand as sizes vary a little. I bought this lovely pair of Puma athletic shoes in a size 10 cause I read a review that said they were sized a little small (big mistake) and a pair of Sarcony's Athletic shoes size 9 women's narrow, and a pair of sandals size 9 womens narrow. That was the 2nd week of March before I went on vacation -now they're all too big. My feet have actually shrunk and I'm now in a size 8 womens narrow, the same size as my SO who's cis. What's cool about things now is I looooove shoes, and myself and my SO can share ours. We wear the same sizes clothing wise too so we share outfits as well.

However in answer to your question Riversong, in my case my feet actually did shrink about a size and a half. That being said, you must remember that hrt affects all of us differently according to genetics.

Best wishes

Ally :icon_flower: