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I was wondering what your personality type is, and does it affect your gender presentation, expression, communication, appearance. [Notice: I did not mention gender identity]. I am wondering how other androgynes personality types and experiences are, though others are welcome to also respond.

You can use one or two personality type theories, or any other theories/systems that you prefer, besides these two.

QuoteJungian Types, Myers-Briggs, & the Four Temperaments
Jungian psychological types are probably the most widely used and amongst the best-known in everyday life.  Jung's typology emerges from Jung's deep, holistic philosophy and psychology about the person.  Jung's typology is not, unfortunately, always included in mainstream personality courses, because it wasn't empirically-driven. Jung viewed the ultimate psychological task as the process of individuation, based on the strengths and limitations of one's psychological type.

Myers-Briggs developed the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, a commercially available questionnaire, which is widely used in business and training, etc. and which provides information and exercises for better understanding one's own personality type and others with who the individual interacts and works.

Keirsey has renamed and reconceptualized the Jungian types, but they relate very closely to the Jungian types.  Keirsey refers to "temperaments" rather than personality.

Underlying all these typologies are four personality traits (functions):

Extroversion (E) --- Introversion (I)
Do you recharge your energy via external contact & activity (Extroversion) or spending time in your inner space (Introversion)?

Intuition (N) --- Sensing (S)
Do you rely on your inner voice (Intuition) or observation (Sensing)?

Thinking (T) --- Feeling (F)
When making decisions, what do you rely most on?  Your thoughts or your feelings?

Judgement (J) --- Perception (P)
Do you tend to set schedules and organize your life (Judgement), or do you tend to leave the options open and see what happens (Perception)?

Using the letters above, it is possible to have a unique 4 letter code to indicate each of the 16 Jungian personality types, e.g., I am an INTJ.

Type A / B Personalities
Meyer Friedman, an American cardiologist, noticed in the 1940's that the chairs in his waiting room got worn out from the edges.  They hypothesized that his patients were driven, impatient people, who sat on the edge of their seats when waiting.  They labelled these people "Type A" personalities.  Type A personalities are work-aholics, always busy, driven, somewhat impatient, and so on.  Type B personalities, on the other hand are laid back and easy going.  "Type A personality" has found its way into general parlance.

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Jung's Theory of Psychological Types

C.G. Jung's (1971) theory of psychological types attempts to categorize people in terms of their primary modes of psychological functioning.

The theory is based on the assumption that there are different functions and attitudes of consciousness.

The Functions of Consciousness
The functions of consciousness refer to the different ways in which the conscious mind can apprehend reality. According to Jung, these are (a) Sensation, (b) Intuition, (c) Thinking and (d) Feeling.

Jung arranges these four functions into two pairs of opposites. Firstly there are the two perceiving (or, non-rational) functions of Sensation and Intuition. Secondly, there are the two judging (or, rational) functions of Thinking and Feeling.

Jung believes that whichever function dominates consciousness (e.g., Thinking), its opposite (e.g., Feeling) will be repressed and therefore will tend to characterise unconscious functioning.

In addition to the dominant function, people will generally have an auxiliary (or, secondary) function. This will be one of the functions from the other pair. For example, if Thinking is dominant, the auxiliary function may be Sensation or Intuition (but not Feeling). It is often useful to refer to both the dominant and auxiliary functions and to describe someone's function type as, for example, Sensory Thinking or Intuitive Feeling.

The Attitudes of Consciousness
The attitudes of consciousness refer to the basic direction in which a person's conscious interests and energies may flow - either inward to subjective, psychological experience, or outward to the environment of objects, other people and collective norms. These two directions define the two attitude types of (a) Introversion and (b) Extraversion. As with the psychological functions, whichever attitude dominates consciousness, its opposite will tend to be repressed and to characterise the functioning of the unconscious.

The Extraverted Sensation Type
Extraverted sensation strives for intensity of experience derived from concrete objects and physical activities. Consciousness is therefore directed outward to those objects and activities that may be expected to arouse the strongest sensations.

The extraverted sensation type is a realist who seeks to experience as many concrete sensations as possible - preferably, but not necessarily, ones that are pleasurable. These experiences are seen as ends in themselves and are rarely utilized for any other purpose. If normal, such persons are sensualists or aesthetes who are attracted by the physical characteristics of objects and people. They dress, eat and entertain well, and can be very good company. Not at all reflective nor introspective, they have no ideals except sensory enoyment. They generally mistrust inner psychological processes and prefer to account for such things in terms of external events (e.g., they may blame their moods on the weather). If extreme, they are often crudely sensual and may exploit situations or others in order to increase their own personal pleasure. When neurotic, repressed intuition may be projected onto other people, so that they may become irrationally suspicious or jealous. Alternatively, they may develop a range of compulsive superstitions.


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The Introverted Sensation Type
Introverted sensation is subjectively filtered. Perception is not based directly on the object, but is merely suggested by it. Instead, layers of subjective impressions are superimposed upon the image so that it becomes impossible to determine what will be perceived from a knowledge only of the object. Perception thus depends crucially upon internal psychological processes that will differ from one person to the next. At its most positive, introverted sensation is found in the creative artist. At its most extreme, it produces psychotic hallucinations and a total alienation from reality.

The introverted sensation type reacts subjectively to events in a way that is unrelated to objective criteria. Often this is seen as an inappropriate and uncalled-for overreaction. Because objects generally fail to penetrate directly the veil of subjective impressions, this type may seem neutral or indifferent to objective reality. Alternatively, the person may perceive the world as illusory or amusing. In extreme (psychotic) cases, this may result in an inability to distinguish illusion from reality. The subjective world of archaic images may then come to dominate consciousness completely, so that the person lives in a private, mythological realm of fantasy. Repressed intuition may also be expressed in vaguely imagined threats or an apprehension of sinister possibilities.


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The Extraverted Intuition Type
Extraverted intuition attempts to envisage all the possibilities that are inherent in an objective situation. Ordinary events are seen as providing a cipher or set of clues from which underlying processes and hidden potentialities can be determined. Yet once these possibilities are apprehended, objects and events lose their meaning and import. There is therefore a constant need for new situations and experiences to provide a fresh stimulus for the intuitive process.

The extraverted intuition type is an excellent diagnostician and exploiter of situations. Such people see exciting possibilities in every new venture and are excellent at perceiving latent abilities in other people. They get carried away with the enthusiasm of their vision and often inspire others with the courage of their conviction. As such, they do well in occupations where these qualities are at a premium - for example in initiating new projects, in business, politics or the stock market. They are, however, easily bored and stifled by unchanging conditions. As a result they often waste their life and talents jumping from one activity to another in the search for fresh possibilities, failing to stick at any one project long enough to bring it to fruition. Furthermore, in their commitment to their own vision, they often show little regard for the needs, views or convictions of others. When neurotic, repressed sensation may cause this type to become compulsively tied to people, objects or activities that stir in them primitive sensations such as pleasure, pain or fear. The consequence of this can be phobias, hypochondriacal beliefs and a range of other compulsions.


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The Introverted Intuition Type
Introverted intuition is directed inward to the contents of the unconscious. It attempts to fathom internal events by relating them to universal psychological processes or to other archetypal images. Consequently it generally has a mythical, symbolic or prophetic quality.

According to Jung, the introverted intuition type can be either an artist, seer or crank. Such a person has a visionary ideal that reveals strange, mysterious things. These are enigmatic, 'unearthly' people who stand aloof from ordinary society. They have little interest in explaining or rationalizing their personal vision, but are content merely to proclaim it. Partly as a result of this, they are often misunderstood. Although the vision of the artist among this type generally remains on the purely perceptual level, mystical dreamers or cranks may become caught up in theirs. The person's life then becomes symbolic, taking on the nature of a Great Work, mission or spiritual-moral quest. If neurotic, repressed sensation may express itself in primitive, instinctual ways and, like their extraverted counterparts, introverted intuitives often suffer from hypochondria and compulsions.


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The Extraverted Thinking Type
Extraverted thinking is driven by the objective evidence of the senses or by objective (collective) ideas that derive from tradition or learning. Its purpose is to abstract conceptual relationships from objective experience, linking ideas together in a rational, logical fashion. Furthermore, any conclusions that are drawn are always directed outward to some objective product or practical outcome. Thinking is never carried out for its own sake, merely as some private, subjective enterprise.

The extraverted thinking type bases all actions on the intellectual analysis of objective data. Such people live by a general intellectual formula or universal moral code, founded upon abstract notions of truth or justice. They also expect other people to recognize and obey this formula. This type represses the feeling function (e.g., sentimental attachments, friendships, religious devotion) and may also neglect personal interests such as their own health or financial well-being. If extreme or neurotic, they may become petty, bigoted, tyrannical or hostile towards those who would threaten their formula. Alternatively, repressed tendencies may burst out in various kinds of personal 'immorality' (e.g., self-seeking, sexual misdemeanours, fraud or deception).


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The Introverted Thinking Type
Introverted thinking is contemplative, involving an inner play of ideas. It is thinking for its own sake and is always directed inward to subjective ideas and personal convictions rather than outward to practical outcomes. The main concern of such thinking is to elaborate as fully as possible all the ramifications and implications of a seminal idea. As a consequence, introverted thinking can be complex, turgid and overly scrupulous. To the extent that it withdraws from objective reality, it may also become totally abstract, symbolic or mystical.

The introverted thinking type tends to be impractical and indifferent to objective concerns. These persons usually avoid notice and may seem cold, arrogant and taciturn. Alternatively, the repressed feeling function may express itself in displays of childish naivety. Generally people of this type appear caught up in their own ideas which they aim to think through as fully and deeply as possible. If extreme or neurotic they can become rigid, withdrawn, surly or brusque. They may also confuse their subjectively apprehended truth with their own personality so that any criticism of their ideas is seen as a personal attack. This may lead to bitterness or to vicious counterattacks against their critics.


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The Extraverted Feeling Type
Extraverted feeling is based upon accepted or traditional social values and opinions. It involves a conforming, adjusting response to objective circumstances that strives for harmonious relations with the world. Because it depends so much on external stimuli rather than upon true subjective preferences, such feeling can sometimes seem cold, 'unfeeling', artificial or put on for effect.

The extraverted feeling type follows fashion and seeks to harmonize personal feelings with general social values. Thinking is always subordinate to feeling and is ignored or repressed if intellectual conclusions fail to confirm the convictions of the heart. When this type is extreme or neurotic, feeling may become gushing or extravagant and dependent upon momentary enthusiasms that may quickly turn about with changing circumstances. Such a person may therefore seem hysterical, fickle, moody or even to be suffering from multiple personality. Repressed thinking may also erupt in infantile, negative, obsessive ways. This can lead to the attribution of dreaded characteristics to the very objects or people that are most loved and valued.


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The Introverted Feeling Type
Introverted feeling strives for an inner intensity that is unrelated to any external object. It devalues objective reality and is rarely displayed openly. When it does appear on the surface, it generally seems negative or indifferent. The focus of such feeling is upon inner processes and latent, primordial images. At its extreme, it may develop into mystical ecstasy.

The introverted feeling type is brooding and inaccessible, although may also hide behind a childish mask. Such a person aims to be inconspicuous, makes little attempt to impress and generally fails to respond to the feelings of others. The outer, surface appearance is often neutral, cold and dismissive. Inwardly, however, feelings are deep, passionately intense, and may accompany secret religious or poetic tendencies. The effect of all this on other people can be stifling and oppressive. When extreme or neurotic, this type may become domineering and vain. Negative repressed thinking may also be projected so that these persons may imagine they can know what others are thinking. This may develop into paranoia and into secret scheming rivalries.


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Sensation
Sensation refers to our immediate experience of the objective world, a process that takes place without any kind of evaluation of the experience. Sensation perceives objects as they are - realistically and concretely. It fails to consider context, implications, meanings or alternative interpretations, but instead attempts to represent factually and in detail the information that is available to the senses.


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Intuition
Intuition refers to a deeper perception of inherent possibilities and inner meanings. Intuitive perception ignores the details and focuses instead upon the general context or atmosphere. It perceives (without clear evidence or proof) the direction in which things are moving, the subtle inner relationships and underlying processes involved, or the latent potentialities of a situation. Intuition never directly reflects reality but actively, creatively, insightfully and imaginatively adds meaning by reading things into the situation that are not immediately apparent to a purely objective observer.


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Thinking
Thinking is a mode of evaluation that is concerned with the truth or falsity of experience. It is based upon the intellectual comprehension of things and, in particular, of their conceptual interrelationships. It is a rational, systematic process that seeks to understand reality through analysis and logical inference.


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Feeling
Feeling is an affective, sentimental function. It involves judging the value of things or having an opinion about them on the basis of our likes and dislikes. Experiences are therefore evaluated in terms of good and bad, pleasant or unpleasant, acceptable or unacceptable.


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MBTI® Types
The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator® (Myers and McCaulley, 1985) is the most widely used measure of Jungian psychological type. The MBTI is a self-report questionnaire that assesses type preferences on Extraversion-Introversion (E-I), Sensation-Intuition (S-N), Thinking-Feeling (T-F), and also on Judgment-Perception (J-P). The J-P scale defines the person's preferred manner of dealing with the outer world. Judging reflects a closed, organised, decisive approach, whereas Perceiving is more open, flexible and curious. J-P is not specifically recognised as a separate dimension in Jung's theory, and it is included in the MBTI mainly as a way of indirectly determining which function is dominant.

MBTI types are described using four letters indicating preferences on each scale. This results in sixteen types. These types, and their classical Jungian equivalents, are shown in the table below. In the Jung types, the function in brackets is the auxiliary. Thus IS(T) refers to an Introverted Sensory Thinker with Sensation dominant, whereas IT(S) is the same type, but with Thinking dominant.

Descriptions of the MBTI types may be found at MBTI Personality Profiles

INTROVERTS   EXTRAVERTS
MBTI TYPE JUNG TYPE   MBTI TYPE JUNG TYPE
ISTJ IS(T)                        ESTP ES(T)
ISTP IT(S)                       ESTJ ET(S)
ISFJ IS(F)                        ESFP ES(F)
ISFP IF(S)                        ESFJ EF(S)
INFJ IN(F)                        ENFP EN(F)
INFP IF(N)                        ENFJ EF(N)
INTJ IN(T)                        ENTP EN(T)
INTP IT(N)                       ENTJ ET(N)


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Enneagram Types

QuoteThe nine types
According to Enneagram of Personality theory the points of the Enneagram figure indicate a number of ways in which nine principal ego-archetypal forms or types of human personality (also often called "Enneatypes") are psychologically connected.

People of each Enneatype are usually referred to after the number of the point on the Enneagram figure (Eights, Fours, Sixes etc.) that indicates their particular psychological space and 'place' of connection to the other types. They are also often given names that suggest some of their more distinctive archetypal characteristics.

Brief descriptions of the nine Enneatypes are as follows:




Ones: Reformers, Critics, Perfectionists

People of this personality type are focused on personal integrity. Ones can be wise, discerning and inspiring in their quest for the truth. They also tend to dissociate themselves from their flaws or what they believe are flaws (such as negative emotions) and can become hypocritical and hyper-critical of others, seeking the illusion of virtue to hide their own vices. The greatest fear of Ones is to be flawed and their ultimate goal is perfection.

Ego fixation: resentment
Holy idea: perfection
Passion: anger
Virtue: serenity
Stress point: Four
Security point: Seven




Twos: Helpers, Givers, Caretakers

Twos, at their best, are compassionate, thoughtful and astonishingly generous but they can also be particularly prone to clinginess and manipulation. Twos want, above all, to be loved and needed and fear being unworthy of love.

Ego fixation: flattery
Holy idea: freedom
Passion: pride
Virtue: humility
Stress point: Eight
Security point: Four




Threes: Achievers, Performers, Succeeders

Highly adaptable and changeable. Some Threes walk the world with confidence and unstinting authenticity; others wear a series of public masks, acting the way they think will bring them approval and losing track of their true self. Threes are motivated by the need to succeed and to be seen as successful.

Ego fixation: vanity
Holy idea: hope
Passion: deceit
Virtue: truthfulness
Stress point: Nine
Security point: Six




Fours: Romantics, Individualists, Artists

Fours are driven by the desire to understand themselves and find a place in the world. They often fear that they have no identity or personal significance. Fours embrace individualism and are often profoundly creative and intuitive. However, they have a habit of withdrawing to internalize, searching desperately inside themselves for something they never find and creating a spiral of depression.

Ego fixation: melancholy
Holy idea: originality
Passion: envy
Virtue: equanimity
Stress point: Two
Security point: One




Fives: Observers, Thinkers, Investigators

Fives are motivated by the desire to understand the world around them, specifically in terms of facts. Believing they are only worth what they contribute, Fives have learned to withdraw, to watch with keen eyes and speak only when they can shake the world with their observations. Sometimes they do just that. However, some Fives are known to withdraw from the world, becoming reclusive hermits and fending off social contact with abrasive cynicism. Fives fear incompetency or uselessness and want to be capable and knowledgeable above all else.

Ego fixation: stinginess
Holy idea: omniscience
Passion: avarice
Virtue: detachment
Stress point: Seven
Security point: Eight




Sixes: Loyalists, Devil's Advocates, Defenders

Sixes long for stability above all else. They exhibit unwavering loyalty and responsibility, but once betrayed, they are slow to trust again. They are particularly prone to fearful thinking and emotional anxiety as well as reactionary and paranoid behavior. Sixes tend to to react to their fears either in a phobic manner by avoiding fearful situations or by confronting them in a counterphobic manner.

Ego fixation: cowardice
Holy idea: faith
Passion: fear
Virtue: courage
Stress point: Three
Security point: Nine




Sevens: Enthusiasts, Adventurers, Sensationalists

Sevens are adventurous and busy with many activities with all the energy and enthusiasm of the Puer Aeternus. At their best they embrace life for its varied joys and wonders and truly live in the moment but, at their worst, they dash frantically from one new experience to another, too scared of disappointment to actually enjoy themselves. Sevens fear being unable to provide for themselves or to experience life in all of its richness.

Ego fixation: planning
Holy idea: work
Passion: gluttony
Virtue: sobriety
Stress point: One
Security point: Five




Eights: Leaders, Protectors, Challengers

Eights value their own strength and desire to be powerful and in control. They concern themselves with self-preservation. They are natural leaders, who can be either friendly and charitable or dictatorially manipulative, ruthless and willing to destroy anything in their way. Eights seek control over their own lives and destinies and fear being harmed or controlled by others.

Ego fixation: vengeance
Holy idea: truth
Passion: excess (lust)
Virtue: innocence
Stress point: Five
Security point: Two




Nines: Mediators, Peacemakers, Preservationists

Nines are ruled by their empathy. At their best they are perceptive, receptive, gentle, calming and at peace with the world. They also, however, tend to dissociate from conflicts and to indifferently go along with others people's wishes. They may also simply withdraw and act via inaction. They fear the conflict caused by their ability to simultaneously understand opposing points of view and seek peace of mind above all else. Nines are especially prone to dissociation and passive-aggressive behaviour.

Ego fixation: indolence
Holy idea: love
Passion: laziness (sloth)
Virtue: action
Stress point: Six
Security point: Three

I myself have high Introversion, Intuition, Feeling, Perception IIFP in the MBTI. And am a Type B personality

I am not very social, and speaking to others is a big challenge to me. Some time I am self conscious and nervous. Overcoming the pressures that I feel exist [probably mostly imaginary] takes a great deal of focus, relaxing of fears, and biting my teeth. I think that I have done great in overcoming these fears the last 3 years, though I am still introverted. I get hurt easily, and reacting to criticism is another thing I have to face. In my coming out, I had to find ways to do things that distracted others 'focus'. I am not that confrontational, and doing so takes a big chunk of energy and will power. And confronting others, when I can feels like a huge victory. When others confront me about my appearance, I naturally try to change the subject. Very few do I have the nerves to explain myself. Though those that I have (close friends and families) those communcations have been real rewarding. I dont socialize with others outside my home except at work.

I did the Myers-Briggs test many years ago and was INFP, this is probably still the case, although it could be INTP depending on the situation. Type B personality given those two choices. What are the Jungian choices? I haven't thought much about how these might affect my androgyne expression or personality, but I definitely follow my feelings as to how to proceed as my gender journey unfolds.

zythyra

Very interesting.

I took the Myers-Briggs a few years back, and to the surprise of my co-workers, I was INTP.  They couldn't believe that I tested as Introvert.  It helped to explain that being introverted doesn't mean shy, it means that when it comes time to "recharge your batteries" that I prefer time alone as opposed to spending time with others.  I do consider myself shy even though I can and do strike up conversations with anybody and everybody...but inside my head, I make myself speak first.

I also received a shock a few weeks back when my boss told me that everyone in our group was a Type A.  I have always considered myself Type B as I am generally laid back and let things happen, but it is true that when it comes to work, I would rather be choosing the direction than following some other idiot.  I also am a bit of a workaholic, but I consider that more a reflection of trying to keep my job in Corporate America rather than something I prefer to do.  So, does that make me a TypeA at work and a TypeB at home, or am I stuck in the middle of the Personality Type spectrum too??

I do find it very interesting that of the 3 responses so far, we all fall in the IN_P, with me being the odd-person-out regarding Feeling vs. Thinking.

A few years ago, I had a therapist who used the Enneagram.  For more info, see http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/ (http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/).  I tested out to be a 9 - The Peacemaker.  One of the personality traits that a "9" exhibits is the ability to understand and consider multiple sides of an issue.  I believe that my androgyny is what allows that, as I tend to see issues from both a male and female perspective...well, sorta.  And, like K, I avoid confrontation at all costs...even to the loss of my own well being...another reason I stayed in a very unhealthy marriage for many many years longer than I should have.  There are some who give little credibility to the Enneagram, so believe whatever you wish regarding it.  I'm not sure how much I give it, but it was kinda scary how true to type I was.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing how this turns out.  Another great topic, Mx K

.....Laurry

I did Briggs-Myers and also had INFP, The intuitive and Perception ones are always strong, the Feeling a little weakest and the introversion weakest of all. I enjoy being with people but it knackers me out. I always rely on my intuition, I think this is probably linked to androgyny and most transy type stuff, as it is intuition that tells when something is out of whack I imagine.

I've done an ennagram and got a 4 'Individualist'. Means I am stubborn and selfish and have to do it my way, which is probably right, and probably the reason I score as introvert. It's a lot easier to get your own way alone.

Quote from: zythyra on June 28, 2007, 02:42:52 PM
What are the Jungian choices?

Just added them to the list above. There is also a similarity comparison chart to Myers-Briggs.

Quote from: Laurry on June 28, 2007, 08:48:47 PM
A few years ago, I had a therapist who used the Enneagram.  For more info, see http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/ (http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/).  I tested out to be a 9 - The Peacemaker.  One of the personality traits that a "9" exhibits is the ability to understand and consider multiple sides of an issue.  I believe that my androgyny is what allows that, as I tend to see issues from both a male and female perspective...well, sorta.  And, like K, I avoid confrontation at all costs...even to the loss of my own well being...another reason I stayed in a very unhealthy marriage for many many years longer than I should have.  There are some who give little credibility to the Enneagram, so believe whatever you wish regarding it.  I'm not sure how much I give it, but it was kinda scary how true to type I was.

Added the Ennegram info from Wikipedia.

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I took the Myers-Briggs a few years back, and to the surprise of my co-workers, I was INTP.  They couldn't believe that I tested as Introvert.  It helped to explain that being introverted doesn't mean shy, it means that when it comes time to "recharge your batteries" that I prefer time alone as opposed to spending time with others.  I do consider myself shy even though I can and do strike up conversations with anybody and everybody...but inside my head, I make myself speak first.

I know what you mean. I myself have to force myself to be social in the work sense.

In my new job, and when I first started my prior job, I kind of hide my gender expressions more, not wanting be the topic of gossip or conflict. I am not comfortable with others that I have to work with knowing about my personal life, especially being different then the average person, especially when I am trying to increase my job performance.

I havent taken the enneagram test, but first guess is it might be 2, 4, or 9.

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I do find it very interesting that of the 3 responses so far, we all fall in the IN_P, with me being the odd-person-out regarding Feeling vs. Thinking.

Make that 4 IN_P with Pica Pica.

Introvert- inner space, Intuitive-innver voice, Perception-leave life open, see what happens.

Very interesting, considering the odds and number of possibilities.

If I was more extrovert, I would be out trying to join and meet others similar to me.

Maybe we gotta keep our options open and keep ourselves to ourselves to negotiate our way through what most people take for granted.

As for ennagram, number 4 is very fitting reading your description. Trying to find a place in the world. Yep.

PS

Wow, and my Dad is a three, no mistake.

Hmm, just took the Myers-Briggs test, and it says I'm ESTP. Which is pretty accurate, though my scores tend to be evenly distributed between each category. I like how I'm the only extrovert here. I don't come off as an extrovert, and I am heard to loudly proclaim my utter dislike of people in general, but I'm actually very friendly and can easily interact with people. As far as A or B type personalities go, I'm both impatient and laid-back. I'm a walking contradiction.

The Enneagram test said I'm a type 8 personality- aggressive. Well, I suppose I am...

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This is fun. ;D

Ya I dont think androgynes are only IN_P.  Is interesting however.

yeah Shawnael just proved it as I was posting this post.

I am more interested in hearing how personalities interact with one's gender identity rather than trying to find common threads. And what obsticles one faces and overcomes. And what comes naturally easy in one's desired gender expressions.

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on July 04, 2007, 02:58:45 AM
I am more interested in hearing how personalities interact with one's gender identity rather than trying to find common threads. And what obsticles one faces and overcomes. And what comes naturally easy in one's desired gender expressions.

I'm not sure if my personality so much influences my gender identity. I was pretty much raised to be aggressive and domineering (thanks, Mom). And even though it's usually a male trait, I feel very comfortable in my femininity.

But I do find that a lot of personality tests I take are split down the middle. Like I said before- I feel like such a contradiction sometimes. I'm both impatient and laid-back. I don't know how to explain it, but I think I can attribute my relaxed tendency to KJ. He's the more laid-back. He likes to think he's an Islander.

It's hard for me to find a stable personality to just stick with, because I feel like I have two. They're very similar, and at the same time completely different. In certain situations, one will surface and the other will... go to sleep, I guess. I take traits that I like from both, but I have a hard time knowing which is going to take control of a situation.

Oh! Ok, it's like this; I love the city. I like the hustle and bustle, being able to get lost in a crowd, everything about the feel. I also love the islands (Hawaii). I like the atmosphere, the small-community, just being able to lie by the water and take in the sun. And I love both with an equal passion.

I've kind of lost my train of thought. I hope I made some sense.

Ken/Kendra, does that mean you would like us to reflect on this by considering stereotypical masculine and feminine personality traits?... Mmhmm no_id is having a hard time understanding the question again.  :-\

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on July 04, 2007, 02:58:45 AM
Ya I dont think androgynes are only IN_P.  Is interesting however.

yeah Shawnael just proved it as I was posting this post.

I am more interested in hearing how personalities interact with one's gender identity rather than trying to find common threads. And what obsticles one faces and overcomes. And what comes naturally easy in one's desired gender expressions.

Whoops I typed wrong, typed gender identity instead of gender expression, sorry. On my last post. Its 3am, so I apologize.

Quote from: no_id on July 04, 2007, 03:34:56 AM
Ken/Kendra, does that mean you would like us to reflect on this by considering stereotypical masculine and feminine personality traits?... Mmhmm no_id is having a hard time understanding the question again.  :-\

If you would like to do that you can reflect on stereotypical traits, if thats what feels right.

Or you can just ignore it and talk about, the challenges, obstacles, or whats easy in your innerworld; thinking, feeling, perceiving, judging and / versus your outerworld; expression, communication, appearance, presentation. Its more of an internal vs external question, in this case the realm of gender, on a personal individual basis. I look at this question about being an inner world vs external world question.

And if anyone thinks that there is absolutely no connection, your welcome to say that also.

I just see each personality attribute as having strengths and weaknesses, each a tool [Gift or Curse] for the inner vs external world interaction.

QuoteI was wondering what your personality type is, and does it affect your gender presentation, expression, communication, appearance. [Notice: I did not mention gender identity]. I am wondering how other androgynes personality types and experiences are, though others are welcome to also respond.

I excluded gender identity in that personality types will never change, hide, nor affect gender identity. I cant see any correlation between gender identity and personality types, in the sense of Introvert, Extravert, Feeling, Thinking, Intuition, Sensing, Judging, and Perceiving. Though in exploring one's gender identity, I can see how not being enough introverted might hold one back from exploring one's inner realm. But thats true of everyone in the inner vs external world.

I hate typing at late night, lol. My new job overnight stocking makes me stay up even on my days off. I never know what day it is, lol.

Kendra, thanks for posting the extra info. I'm probably a 4, and Introverted Intuition Type.

As to how this affects my gender expression and identity, I tend to view being transgender or androgyne as a spiritual journey, and in ways it's also a form of artistic expression.

zythyra

Ok, I just took the Myers-Briggs and the Eneagram.

MB = Your Type is
ISFJ
Introverted Sensing Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences % 
22 1 75 33

I'm not Androgyne, I'm MTF, but the test looked fun so I took it :)

The Eneagram shows me as:
Type 1, The Reformer: 16
Type 2, The Helper: 21
Type 3, The Achiever: 16
Type 4, The Individualist: 17
Type 5, The Investigator: 10
Type 6, The Loyalist: 20
Type 7, The Enthusiast: 13
Type 8, The Challenger: 6
Type 9, The Peacemaker: 21

SO I guess that makes me a blend of 2 and 9 with a close 6. Now I need to look them up and see what they mean.

I was talking to a friend about this, and they told me that my personality was a loud-mouthed a-hole.  Well, not really, but it could very well have been true...well, OK, I'm not a loud-mouth (but you couldn't prove that based on the length of some of my posts).

I thought I would pop in and see how this thread was going, but found out that K/K had added so much information to the top that I had to read the whole thing again.

Regarding how my personality type influences my gender expression...hmmm...not really sure it does.  I can see some correlations between my gender identity and my personality type, but not really sure which, if either, caused the other.  Does my gender identity as an Androgyne help me understand multiple sides of issues and rely on my intuition, or does my personality contribute to my Androgyny?  More likely, they are both simply reflections of my true self.  I tend to think (at least right now) that gender expression is influenced slightly by one's gender indentity and their personality type, but it really is more a matter of choice.  I made a conscious decision to shave my legs.  I made a deliberate choice to wear makeup and go out in public.  I didn't do it because I was an Androgyne or because I was Transgendered, I did it because it made me feel good and it seemed "right".  In my case, I didn't even think about my gender identity...I just knew that sometimes I wished I were a girl and wanted to look like one.  I wish I had never shaved my legs...now it is something I know I will have to do the rest of my life...dammit!

.....Laurry 

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on July 04, 2007, 04:10:18 AM

Quote from: no_id on July 04, 2007, 03:34:56 AM
Ken/Kendra, does that mean you would like us to reflect on this by considering stereotypical masculine and feminine personality traits?... Mmhmm no_id is having a hard time understanding the question again.  :-\

If you would like to do that you can reflect on stereotypical traits, if thats what feels right.

Or you can just ignore it and talk about, the challenges, obstacles, or whats easy in your innerworld; thinking, feeling, perceiving, judging and / versus your outerworld; expression, communication, appearance, presentation. Its more of an internal vs external question, in this case the realm of gender, on a personal individual basis. I look at this question about being an inner world vs external world question.

And if anyone thinks that there is absolutely no connection, your welcome to say that also.

I just see each personality attribute as having strengths and weaknesses, each a tool [Gift or Curse] for the inner vs external world interaction.

Thanks for the explanation :) However, it doesn't seem to make the question a lot easier for me.

To elaborate: apart from being androgyne I am also multi-cultural; I grew up in two different cultures (Dutch&German), and have lived in different countries (Moldova & Ukraine), been exposed to different cultures all my life (my father is a military man). Therefore, I do not consider myself Dutch (it is only my nationality), and this multi-cultural exposure (along with my androgyny) has a great impact on my thinking and how I perceive the world. This is especially expressed during group work and/or debates.

When I am requested to come up with a plan and/or solution I examine it from all possible sides (masculine, feminine, cultural), and often the eventual (neutral and all-considering) product is completely misunderstood by my peers who's perspectives seem a lot 'closer to home'. Short said: what makes complete sense to me doesn't seem to make sense at all to others, and I often have to spend a lot of time diciphering my explanations by referring to cultural, masculine and feminine aspects. However, I discovered that drawing does help a lot. ;)

My thought pattern is not a square or circle: it's a square with its corner's cut to seem more as a circle: both a square and circle, but at the same time neither.

Then again, on the bright side, I am often in the position where a female or male approaches me to gain more understanding of their opposite sex. It often makes me feel like a translator  ;) Although at the same time makes me feel very much on the outside, more as a spectator. My gender expression doesn't make me 'one of the girls', nor 'one of the boys'... As friends would say "You're just a Jay" in every single aspect.

Well, that's enough gibberisch for one day.  8)

 

well, I did a little bit of research on the Enneagram and this thing was totally accurate for me, kind of scary. I seem to be equally 2 and 9. I don't really see a 6 in me too much. I guess I'm not really that surprised by the results.

Next up....Myers-Briggs!