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Title: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: insideontheoutside on November 06, 2013, 12:47:43 AM
I have a haunch I'm going to post a lot of random things in this new board!

I know not everyone has dysphoria, but it's probably something that a lot of trans* or even some non-binary folks deal with. I know I've had my fair share of it. As individuals we all have our own triggers and levels to which certain things bother us. I truly believe that one of the top reasons people do transition is to help alleviate dysphoria.

So if you're not transitioning now or not planning to and you have any level of dysphoria, how do you deal with it?

While I'm sure a lot of this is going to be personalized, it might be helpful to spark some ideas for others.

One of the very first things I ever did in an attempt to feel better was to get some proper underwear. Crazy how much that did for me! And it's something that can pretty much go unnoticed by anyone else (unless you have a significant other who has no clue yet). I have had male clothes throughout my entire life, but I can see certain other items of clothing might have an impact for some people too.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Jamie D on November 06, 2013, 12:20:41 PM
Cross dressing certainly can be a way to deal with gender dysphoria.  It can be a way of reconciling one's gender identity with one's gender presentation - even if it is just article of clothing or accessory.

So, underwear?  Sure, why not!  It validates how you feel.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: King Malachite on November 06, 2013, 12:24:35 PM
When I'm having extreme lower dysphoria, I wear my packer but in general, I just play video games.  That helps some, being able to play as a guy, and if I have to create a character, that helps to so I can relate to him more.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Tanya W on November 06, 2013, 12:32:35 PM
Wow - I was about to log off, get on with my day. Then I saw this thread and thought, 'Maybe I'll take a quick look...' Big mistake! I could probably sit here all day listing off ideas, experiences, questions.

I, too, have to work with dysphoria. As I recover and heal from a bunch of other stuff in my life, I realize how pervasive this feeling has actually been in my life. 'Oh, I thought I was just anxious!' 'Oh, I thought I was triggered around abuse stuff!' 'Oh, I thought that was about addiction!' Yes in all cases - but also no! Both physically and socially, gender dysphoria can be pretty big at times for me.

Giving myself permission to act more naturally makes a difference - more feminine clothing and appearance, getting giddy over things that truly excite me like Taylor Swift and the Gilmore Girls, Anne Hathaway (yes, I know the world is supposed to be hating her right now, but...) and Julia Roberts, being with women. My trans/queer admission has also helped.

One big thing I have been working on lately is allowing myself to actually feel my body, to settle into my body. Much to my surprise, I recently learned I usually don't. For one I really don't like the 'maleness' of it, even more, however, it is challenging for me to relax into how 'female' my body often feels from the inside. Really - breasts, hips, smooth skin, the whole deal!

Learning to inhabit and be at ease with this has made a huge difference! I actually feel good sometimes! And my therapist - back to my therapist - really sees this as a game changer. "If you can actually begin to inhabit who you are like this," he says, "you might find you can be yourself in your life."

It's exciting, but scary too.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Gina Taylor on November 06, 2013, 01:00:56 PM
On the contrary, I started with cross-dressing when I was 15 and then it just escallated into what I am wanting today, which is that I am a woman. Plain and simple. But due to certain things, I can not transition the way that most people can, so I am content with doing things my way, and so I shall remain as a pre-op.  :)
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Beth Andrea on November 06, 2013, 01:09:21 PM
I thought this was going to be about getting a divorce, LOL....

Quote from: TanyaW on November 06, 2013, 12:32:35 PM
Wow - I was about to log off, get on with my day. Then I saw this thread and thought, 'Maybe I'll take a quick look...' Big mistake! I could probably sit here all day listing off ideas, experiences, questions.

I, too, have to work with dysphoria. As I recover and heal from a bunch of other stuff in my life, I realize how pervasive this feeling has actually been in my life. 'Oh, I thought I was just anxious!' 'Oh, I thought I was triggered around abuse stuff!' 'Oh, I thought that was about addiction!' Yes in all cases - but also no! Both physically and socially, gender dysphoria can be pretty big at times for me.

Giving myself permission to act more naturally makes a difference - more feminine clothing and appearance, getting giddy
over things that truly excite me like Taylor Swift and the Gilmore Girls, Anne Hathaway (yes, I know the world is supposed to be hating her right now, but...) and Julia Roberts, being with women. My trans/queer admission has also helped.

One big thing I have been working on lately is allowing myself to actually feel my body, to settle into my body. Much to my surprise, I recently learned I usually don't. For one I really don't like the 'maleness' of it, even more, however, it is challenging for me to relax into how 'female' my body often feels from the inside. Really - breasts, hips, smooth skin, the whole deal!

Learning to inhabit and be at ease with this has made a huge difference! I actually feel good sometimes! And my therapist - back to my therapist - really sees this as a game changer. "If you can actually begin to inhabit who you are like this," he says, "you might find you can be yourself in your life."

It's exciting, but scary too.


Yup, all same same with me. First thing of clothing I wore (iirc) was women's panties. I'd gone from "tighty whiteys" to boxers (my ex wanted me to at least try them out; I suspect she wanted my parts to be "free" and hoped it'd increase T levels, thereby making me "more of a man." (Her words)...Couldn't stand boxers. Tried going back to TW...couldn't stand those either. They just felt...wrong, somehow.

That's when I was just starting to read Susan's...and I decided to buy (my first purchase) some panties, and never looked back.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: YBtheOutlaw on November 06, 2013, 01:32:54 PM
before knowing i was trans, which was like 6 months ago, i was planning to live my whole life in solitude. i planned to have a breast reduction surgery since they were very bothersome, and live in my own place with no family. i would have lots of friends, but no spouse or family. i would wear all the male clothing i wanted, watch porn if i needed sex, and let my life flow on until i die and rot away. i didnt worry about genitals as i was not gonna use them. still i wanted a wife and children, but since that was not going to be a reality i would live in such a way dysphoria would have minimum effects on my life. the very idea of having to marry a man someday freaked me out a lot, so i had firmly made that decision. but that was 6 months ago, before i stumbled upon this place. i have many plans now, much vivid and exciting than the earlier ones. even if it costs the love of every person i know, i will take the course i have planned. afterall, this is my life and it should happen in the way i prefer.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Lauren5 on November 06, 2013, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: Malachite on November 06, 2013, 12:24:35 PMand if I have to create a character, that helps to so I can relate to him more.
Why I love playing RPGs, especially Mass Effect and Fallout.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: DriftingCrow on November 06, 2013, 06:54:42 PM
Its best to keep myself busy. Like the old Protestant saying "idle hands are the devils playthings" I think more about not being seen as the proper gender when I have nothing to do. It hasn't bothered me much lately since I've been non-stop busy the last few months.

Also, like stated above, I might go out in "guy mode" on weekends if I've been forced to present female for quite awhile.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: insideontheoutside on November 06, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
Nice responses. Interesting to see how clothing has come up for others too. Even the experience of procuring the clothing can be nice. Shop people usually don't even look twice at a "female" buying male items and most don't even care about a "male" buying female items. They all just figure you're buying them for a significant other or something (and that's always a good excuse if you need one!).

I had done the whole "be your REAL self online" thing on different online communities. I guess it's like the online gaming thing with a character in a way. The only bad thing about doing that is when you meet people who you actually become friends with and want them in your actual life there comes a point where you have to level with them and tell them the truth. It's not as bad as in person, but still feelings can get hurt and you never know how someone will take it. Actually two of my really good friends who do accept me and know the real me I met that way.

I do have a packer also. But I have my own "unit" so I modified the packer so things set right, for lack of a better way to put it. I don't often wear it out. I found that wearing it to bed kind of helps if I'm having a bad D day.

Finding a hairstyle I really like helped too. It wasn't just a confidence-in-my-appearance thing, it really did help with just my general acceptance of myself and consequently helped with the general dysphoria too.

Exercising has helped. It's one of the few ways I can change my body. I'll never be one of those ripped gym-bodies, but putting on the bit of extra muscle I have has gone a long way. Also increased my shoulder size a bit (which meant I needed to do some new clothes shopping!).
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: VeronicaLynn on November 06, 2013, 09:19:58 PM
Quote from: insideontheoutside on November 06, 2013, 12:47:43 AM
I know not everyone has dysphoria, but it's probably something that a lot of trans* or even some non-binary folks deal with...One of the very first things I ever did in an attempt to feel better was to get some proper underwear. Crazy how much that did for me! And it's something that can pretty much go unnoticed by anyone else (unless you have a significant other who has no clue yet).
You might not be able to choose what you are born with between your legs, but you can choose what you wear between your legs  ;)

Not sure I will ever wear panties on a first date or hitting the club scene trying for a one night stand, but that's what I wear the rest of the time. Bikini or thong style, not all frilly. On those occasions, men's thongs and bikinis work, though I wish there were a such thing as cheap men's bikinis. Seriously, why isn't there?
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Milou on November 07, 2013, 04:47:22 AM
I'm a male and I'm somewhat comfortable in being a male. I do rather want to be a girl and I think I feel a certain amount of GD (whatever that really means). However, I'm quite content with my life right now and don't feel any need to transition. For me, distraction works best. I really like music, friends, sports, video games and other entertainment (anime, series and movies).
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Cindy on November 07, 2013, 05:00:13 AM
Well as others have said as a MtF I cross dressed before I accepted myself. It made me able to cope. Even now that I'm FT I will wear some sexy lingerie if I'm feeling like it. I'm damn sure I'm not the only woman in a meeting wearing cute lingerie while chairing a meeting, and I'm equally sure that some of the guys are too.

Who cares?

I feel good that is all that matters. If they feel good, great.

I'm pretty sure if any male member of my staff came in wearing a Nun's outfit my only comment would be that it's a nasty habit ::)
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Blinded Wolf on November 07, 2013, 12:23:17 PM
I was reluctant to do so at first, but shaving my face every couple of mornings has really helped calm me down. I didn't want to feel smooth or girly, but shaving has actually helped me pass and seems to be thickening my skin a tad.

I wear exclusively male clothes 24/7 but I think my biggest trigger will be alleviated once I have my chest lumps lopped off. These things are perky, large and essentially impossible to convincingly bind.
I won't start HRT until I get them removed so they're really holding me back.

Lifting weights and actively avoiding social situations where I know the gender groups are going to split off has helped, too. Nothing like being told the 'guys are going to do guy stuff' while the ladies part ways to go (... er... chat about wieners and try on one another's pants?) elsewhere, thus leaving you sitting completely alone.
I can sit alone at home doing something productive, thanks.

I also paint/sculpt/write, but I've done those things since I can remember. I tend to get very meticulous and become entirely absorbed in my work so I can always rely on being distracted when I initiate a new project.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Jamie D on November 07, 2013, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Milou on November 07, 2013, 04:47:22 AM
I'm a male and I'm somewhat comfortable in being a male. I do rather want to be a girl and I think I feel a certain amount of GD (whatever that really means). However, I'm quite content with my life right now and don't feel any need to transition. For me, distraction works best. I really like music, friends, sports, video games and other entertainment (anime, series and movies).

Hi Milou!

"Gender dysphoria" is simply the feeling that your gender identity is not in sync with your biological sex.  The dysphoria can vary in intensity.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Milou on November 07, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on November 07, 2013, 04:04:26 PM
Hi Milou!

"Gender dysphoria" is simply the feeling that your gender identity is not in sync with your biological sex.  The dysphoria can vary in intensity.

Hi Jamie

Yes, and that's exactly the problem. It's the uncertainty not belonging to each gender. Right now I feel cis, but at times I feel trans.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: LordKAT on November 07, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
Genderfluid is a real possibility too.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Sephirah on November 07, 2013, 04:35:59 PM
Meditation, breathing and visualisation exercises.

When physical dysphoria is too much to handle, I remove the physical aspect entirely. Get in touch with the more important, intuitive, primal aspects of myself.

Usually, returning centred and with a few new insights about myself, and other stuff, is enough cope with the disfigured meatsack for a while longer.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: insideontheoutside on November 07, 2013, 06:41:05 PM
Quote from: Blinded Wolf on November 07, 2013, 12:23:17 PM
I also paint/sculpt/write, but I've done those things since I can remember. I tend to get very meticulous and become entirely absorbed in my work so I can always rely on being distracted when I initiate a new project.

I find that being immersed in my artwork is definitely a distraction as well.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Tanya W on November 07, 2013, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: Sephirah on November 07, 2013, 04:35:59 PM
When physical dysphoria is too much to handle, I remove the physical aspect entirely. Get in touch with the more important, intuitive, primal aspects of myself.

This points to something I have been wondering about a great deal. What if those times of heightened gender dysphoria are, in fact and for me anyway, an invitation to engage both self and other in a different way? Put another way, a call to step forward into my experience in ways that have not to this point been my norm?

Historically my two main responses - not my only responses, but historically my main ones - have been to withdraw from or mask over experience during intense dysphoria. These have kept me alive to this point, but they no longer feel like the best options for me. So what then?

On a few occasions recently I have found myself able to actually inhabit my female self while having this male body - a few, short-lived occasions - and the effects have been notable. Ease. Relaxation. Openness. Last night, for example, I actually found all of you folks residing within the tender ache of my feminine heart. It was so moving!

What if, I am wondering, gender dysphoria has something to offer me? And possibly the others around me? And possibly this world? I can't believe I am saying this about something that has resulted in so much *&^% pain for myself and others, but this is one place this thread is leading me.

I'm sure we have all heard about the unique contributions transfolk (if you will allow this term here) made in certain indigenous cultures. I always think that this is because such cultures encourage these people to contribute. Of course this makes this so much easier! But what if the main dynamic in these contributions is not cultural acceptance but, instead, personal willingness to go where the dysphoria leads? Into intuition. Into art. Into mediation. Into healing. Into wherever?!?     
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Jamie D on November 07, 2013, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: Milou on November 07, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
Hi Jamie

Yes, and that's exactly the problem. It's the uncertainty not belonging to each gender. Right now I feel cis, but at times I feel trans.

Truthfully, in this community, that is not all that uncommon.  Go check out the Androgyne Talk forum.  Read up on the concept of "genderfluidity."

Also, feel free to ask questions and interact with your fellow members of the community.  It is part of the process of self-discovery.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: georgie on November 09, 2013, 09:29:02 AM
I spend weekend mornings dressing as I would like.  I have been in Second Life for six years and have always have a female avi....was no doubt what I wanted from day one.  And I learned a lot of both good and bad in there.  I am always myself there. It does help me. Your mileage may vary.  ; )

Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Shantel on November 09, 2013, 10:15:20 AM
My dysphoria came under control once I finally decided where my comfort zone really was and quit letting other people's dysphoria affect me. I'm content wearing a bra and woman's top, skinny jeans and hoodie, though sometimes I opt out of the confines of a bra for a tank top. Either way, it seems like androgyny is where I fit in and feel most comfortable and I've lost the formerly intense drive to spend a fortune on surgeries. Oddly enough most cis women in the PNW dress like I do during casual times and I fit right in.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: insideontheoutside on November 09, 2013, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: Shantel on November 09, 2013, 10:15:20 AM
Oddly enough most cis women in the PNW dress like I do during casual times and I fit right in.

I have noticed that as a whole people seem pretty relaxed around the PNW about clothing. I woman could dress like a lumberjack around here and I think barely anyone would notice!
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Tanya W on November 09, 2013, 01:44:40 PM
Quote from: Shantel on November 09, 2013, 10:15:20 AM
My dysphoria came under control once I finally decided where my comfort zone really was and quit letting other people's dysphoria affect me.

Very well put, Shantel. Both these tasks seem essential to my own journey/sanity right now: Where is my comfort zone? What is your discomfort? Figuring these out is an ongoing process for me, perhaps always will be. Sometimes the process goes well (earlier this week). Sometimes not so well (right now, for instance). But always it goes...
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: KarynMcD on November 15, 2013, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: insideontheoutside on November 06, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
Even the experience of procuring the clothing can be nice. Shop people usually don't even look twice at a "female" buying male items and most don't even care about a "male" buying female items. They all just figure you're buying them for a significant other or something (and that's always a good excuse if you need one!).

Cashier: "Oooo, that's pretty. Your wife will love that."
Me: "Yeah, my wife. Ok, let's go with that."
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Shantel on November 15, 2013, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: insideontheoutside on November 09, 2013, 01:01:54 PM
I have noticed that as a whole people seem pretty relaxed around the PNW about clothing. I woman could dress like a lumberjack around here and I think barely anyone would notice!

Some do and it's pretty acceptable, I get ma-am'ed all the time because I look like a butch dyke generally. You must be local to the area too huh?
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Shantel on November 15, 2013, 01:13:58 PM
Quote from: insideontheoutside on November 06, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
Even the experience of procuring the clothing can be nice. Shop people usually don't even look twice at a "female" buying male items and most don't even care about a "male" buying female items.

So true, my wife and I both shop the female departments together, she's smart about seasonal sales opportunities and has warmed up to the idea that some women's items are fine and look good on me, this has been a long slow transition in her thinking and well worth my patience. I have narrow feet for a genetic male and men's medium width usually start out in D which I slosh around in and unless you want to blow $200 you aren't going to get anything narrower. We have found that women's medium width shoes and boots fit me well and are typically much narrower than men's mediums. We don't have any qualms about correcting the sales people who try to steer me toward the men's departments, besides I'm into more colorful tops and the greater variety of style than is usually available in men's departments. The sales staff normally don't care, they are there move merchandise and help the customers.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: E-Brennan on November 15, 2013, 02:29:59 PM
Quote from: insideontheoutside on November 07, 2013, 06:41:05 PM
I find that being immersed in my artwork is definitely a distraction as well.

+1 on this.  I too find that my dysphoria is reduced when I can transfer it somewhere else, most often to my writing.  On paper, I can be who I want to be.  My body doesn't matter anymore.

And much as I hate to admit it, writing while in dysphoric depressions helps me really carve out some of my female characters.  It's almost something I look forward to, because I'm far better at what I like to do when feeling miserable.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: halfsleep on November 21, 2013, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: YBtheOutlaw on November 06, 2013, 01:32:54 PM
before knowing i was trans, which was like 6 months ago, i was planning to live my whole life in solitude.

I literally figured the same thing about myself. I had these "fantasties" of myself living off the grid, or living in some lonely apartment, living as an isolated male.

Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: LordKAT on November 21, 2013, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: halfsleep on November 21, 2013, 09:20:10 AM
I literally figured the same thing about myself. I had these "fantasties" of myself living off the grid, or living in some lonely apartment, living as an isolated male.

That was pretty much my thoughts too. 5 acres, surrounded by trees with just me and a house in the middle.
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: Tanya W on November 21, 2013, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: halfsleep on November 21, 2013, 09:20:10 AM
I literally figured the same thing about myself. I had these "fantasties" of myself living off the grid, or living in some lonely apartment, living as an isolated male.

I have entertained similar thoughts and fantasies over the years. I always cloaked these in the most noble of motivations: retreat to a monastery for spiritual practice, to a farm in order to care for the land, the the wild so I might learn the language of this world.

I never attributed any of these to dysphoria because I did not know I was dysphoric. As I come to know this term, though, and come to see how much dysphoria - especially, in this instance, social dysphoria - has shaped my life, I understand these thoughts/fantasies differently.

Isolation has been and is a common response to the disorientation of dysphoria for me. Looking at my life's trajectory, it is sobering to realize how much my choices have arranged around this fact. I am, of course, slowly working toward something different, but right now I want to cry. 
Title: Re: Dealing with the big "D"
Post by: hurin19067 on November 22, 2013, 05:56:51 PM
I thought the D word was depression....