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Transtopia.....a self sufficient, walled city where you must be transgender or a significant other to move in.

Yes it's just a hypothetical situation but if it was ever built, would you move in? If you said yes, what skills would you bring to the city?

I would bring a knowledge of manufacturing, law enforcement and firearms to the city and of course i would move there.

My answer, No I would not move there.  Where ever you live you bring yourself and your own set of problems with.  There is no utopia.

hippie's commune concept. could definitely work. self sufficiency . I knew of a few lesbian commune back in the day.

How much are the HOA's. ;)

No. I enjoy being around cis-gendered people. I like having trans people in my life, but all-transfeminine spaces are very different than all female spaces (don't know if other people have seen this.) I would miss friendships with cis-women if I didn't have them.

Yes I would move into that city...

but I would bring nothing into it...

Quote from: stephaniec on January 09, 2014, 11:31:05 AM
hippie's commune concept. could definitely work. self sufficiency . I knew of a few lesbian commune back in the day.

we could make and sell transgender dolls made of corn husks

No way.

Quote from: kariann330 on January 09, 2014, 11:23:58 AM
Transtopia.....a self sufficient, walled city where you must be transgender or a significant other to move in.

As inclusion is important to me, I would not move into an exclusive community.

It wouldn't be for me, almost all my life is lived amongst cis gendered people.

No, I wouldn't. I don't hang with many trans people. My idea of transition is integration, not segregation. I also have little worry about my personal safety other than the same precautions that a GG would take.

Why in hell would anyone want firearms guns are a huge no no hell no. Oh and to respond NO.

There's a small part of me that likes this idea, but really I enjoy being around as many different types of people as I can find, so I probably wouldn't go.

I dunno, maybe I'd move in for a month or so, just for grins lol I could bring my musical skills, that's about it though ;D

Quote from: Paulagirl on January 09, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
No, I wouldn't. I don't hang with many trans people. My idea of transition is integration, not segregation. I also have little worry about my personal safety other than the same precautions that a GG would take.

I feel the same way. Living in such a place would probably suck and I would still feel like an outcast. Just because I share the same body issue with someone doesn't mean I would want to hang around them. Hell, I honestly find that to be a pretty stupid criteria for hanging out with someone. But on the other hand, if they were a trans person that liked Harsh Noise, Death Metal and old Hardcore/Punk and wasn't a total schmuck? Yeah, that would be a good start. If they were a lesbian that would be even better. But just BECAUSE they were trans and nothing else? ::) No way.

I'm not interested in the least.  It sounds creepy to me. I want to live in a city with symphonys, operas, universities and nightlife.

Randy

Quote from: Randi on January 09, 2014, 12:54:35 PM
I want to live in a city with symphonys, operas, universities and nightlife.

Randy

That sounds like fun. But living in a crappy small town and not being able to afford to move screws you out of that.

I'll settle for visiting West Hollywood now and again, thank you.

Necessary exclusion due to one's social status is a BAD thing, in case you haven't noticed.  Case in point- Israel was founded as a safe haven for Jews in the years following WWII.  Look how perfectly that utopia worked out for the entire world. 

We just need to educate people, and maybe in a generation or two this will all be no big deal.

No thanks.

But a question comes up... a self-sufficient non-reproducing population seems to be an oxymoron.

I'm going to agree with everybody else here, I don't want to willingly separate myself from everybody else just because I'm trans.  We need more visibility in the real world, not less.

A ghetto? They bode well.

Quote from: Casey Danielle on January 09, 2014, 01:42:31 PM
From what I've seen on this site with free speech NOT protected and intended only for support, no, I doubt it would be a utopia.  If you think we would all hold hands and sing kumbaya you are gravely mistaken.  There would be just as much hate and judgment as there is in a mixed society.

Well, yeah. That's kind of obvious. But you would get that in ANY group. Just like the dorky "white power" schmucks that believe that a "pure, white society" would be heaven on earth. Pffft. Yeah, right. ALL groups will fight among themselves eventually.

Going to a group meeting, and visiting forums is one thing... but let's face it: there's a whole lotta whining and complaining that goes on in those places. Imagine a city full of it... it'd be like... NYC or something lol

With due respect to the trans community over NYC, the problems in the trans community are actually dealt with - not just complained about.

All that said; nah, I'll pass.

nop . i live my variety
still working on meeting my first ever other trans person in public. 

Quote from: gowiththeflow on January 09, 2014, 02:41:05 PM
nop . i live my variety
still working on meeting my first ever other trans person in public.

I worked with a ftm for couple of years very nice person

Quote from: Hideyoshi on January 09, 2014, 01:35:02 PM
But a question comes up... a self-sufficient non-reproducing population seems to be an oxymoron.

Good point.

yeah i want to meet some FtoMs in person so bad though. so i would def visit this new place :)

Quote from: gowiththeflow on January 09, 2014, 03:09:23 PM
yeah i want to meet some FtoMs in person so bad though. so i would def visit this new place :)

too bad you don't live in Chicago , we've got a huge community here

Kia Ora,
I posted this comment on another forum a few years back when a similar proposal was put forward (I've edited it)

Posted 02 April 2008
Kia Ora
I would like to share my 'thoughts' on what you propose...

Back around five hundred years ago in Italy, the Italians built walls around the local Jewish quarters in most of their large towns and cities. At the time the local Italian authorities said it was to stop the 'violence' that was being inflicted upon the Jewish traders by disgruntled peasants who felt the Jt's were a 'bad' influence on their communities and took it into their own hands to teach them a lesson - This wall was meant to 'protect' them...The Italians call these places 'Ghettos' And we all know what happen in the European ghettos last century... Not forgetting both South Africa and the US tried 'segregation'[keeping what they saw as 'undesirables' from mainstream white society] in doing so created black ghettos.

The state of Israel evolved as a place where the 'Jewish' Diaspora could move to –to feel more secure-security in numbers...Then a few years back they started to build a wall around it to 'protect' the citizens within...They are now trying to turn the whole Jewish state into a 'ghetto'...Umm history repeating itself !

[A definition of insanity! ... "Continuing to do the 'same' thing over and over again and each time 'hoping' for a different outcome!"']

Metta Zenda :)

Sounds like a ghetto for trans people...

I don't have a problem with intentional communities per se, but I don't like isolationism. I could see myself spending some time in such a place, but more as an occasional retreat rather than for day-to-day living.

Quote from: kariann330 on January 09, 2014, 11:23:58 AM
Transtopia.....a self sufficient, walled city where you must be transgender or a significant other to move in.

Yes it's just a hypothetical situation but if it was ever built, would you move in? If you said yes, what skills would you bring to the city?

I would bring a knowledge of manufacturing, law enforcement and firearms to the city and of course i would move there.

I think there is a book about that.  Brave New Girl.

Quote from: Jamie D on January 09, 2014, 03:30:58 PM
I think there is a book about that.  Brave New Girl.

*spits out soda*

I am not responsible for any keyboards!!

No.  I like diversity and wouldn't feel too comfortable in a place like that. 

I think Sarah Louise's comment is very true about there being no utopia.  Being that I'm a tree hugging hippie, I once really believed (or wanted to believe) that humans could create a loving uptopia if we all came together and tried to find common ground.  However, there really is no such thing as a place free of conflict or problems as much as I'd love to believe in it.  What looks like a paradise to one person can be a nightmare for another.  A trans community would still have plenty of issues and struggles to overcome even if it did solve the transphobia problem.  I'd much rather have an inclusive and diverse society that can learn to integrate the trans community into it.  And judging by the way history is turning, it's slowly becoming a reality.  Excluding ourselves seems like a step backwards in my opinion. 

Having said that, I wouldn't mind a trans version of San fran or something.  A place that is transfriendly but not exclusionary. 

Quote from: Jamie D on January 09, 2014, 03:51:01 PM
I am not responsible for any keyboards!!

Dammit! There was this really cool steampunk one I was going to bill you for!  >:-)

I lived in self imposed exile for over 50 years.  No way in hell I'd go back to a scenario like that.  as far as the doomsday thing?  When it's over - It's over.  That's my take on it.  Scratching and scraping to simply survive?   Sorry, that's not my idea of a good time. 

I'm a network admin and Pennetration Tester(insert joke) due to graduate this coming May after I wrap up some unrelated classes.  I would totally work IT for this place XD

Quote from: Casey Danielle on January 09, 2014, 06:01:13 PM
Is there a reason my post was deleted?

Maybe it was so amazingly awesome that it could no longer be seen by the eyes of mere mortals. So God moderated your post so peoples brains wouldnt explode whdn they read your post of amazingness.

Quote from: Emo on January 09, 2014, 06:24:38 PM
Maybe it was so amazingly awesome that it could no longer be seen by the eyes of mere mortals. So God moderated your post so peoples brains wouldnt explode whdn they read your post of amazingness.

this is most logical

Quote from: Hideyoshi on January 09, 2014, 01:35:02 PM
No thanks.

But a question comes up... a self-sufficient non-reproducing population seems to be an oxymoron.

My first thought too followed by the concept of a Trans* ghetto. In a way sounds appealing, but I think the sheen would wear off for me very quickly.
I prefer a diverse society over a homogenous society. I'd rather work on acceptance by the larger community than building walls from them.

i might be in to this.  maybe to test the potential success of something like this, a group of kids could create a smaller camp to house no more than 10 people.  This collective could have a yearly month-long invite to those interested but not quite fully committed.  There would be an exclusive shelter for housing 10 or so guests during this time.  For me personally, security would be my primary concern. 

Quote from: suzifrommd on January 09, 2014, 11:43:18 AM
No. I enjoy being around cis-gendered people. I like having trans people in my life, but all-transfeminine spaces are very different than all female spaces (don't know if other people have seen this.) I would miss friendships with cis-women if I didn't have them.

I feel the same way.  It's not PC to say, but we could have a long discussion of the differences (although I'd rather not).

I also feel that isolating trans* people does more harm than good. 

nope. the solution to faulty human relations is rarely if ever to separate the involved groups. much less to give one a 'utopia' and leave the rest to fend for itself.

not to mention the fact that it wouldnt take long for the societal structures to collapse. or for an 'anti' group of some sort to wipe the whole thing out. overtly or otherwise.

im not going to cage myself to hide from the world, least of all if it means being an easier target.

Quote from: Constance on January 09, 2014, 04:06:27 PM
Dammit! There was this really cool steampunk one I was going to bill you for!  >:-)

Pictures, CA!  Pictures.  ;)

I'm actually a little afraid of Utopias. They often aren't all they claim to be so no I wouldn't be packing my bags.

On the other hand a city where no one is looked down upon for their physical expression would be great and I'd pack my bags quickly. Surely they would have a need for an X-ray tech or hospital computer administrator.

Are you kidding me? I transitioned because I had to to survive, but all I ever wanted once I realized God wasn't going to zap me into a woman was to simply pass and be accepted as a woman in American society. I do and I am. Like most of the other women on this thread, I like living in regular society, just as I wouldn't want to live in an all white society, an Amazon society, a Scottish-American society, or any kind of society where anyone is excluded, other than killers, rapists, child molesters and thieves. But I wouldn't even seriously consider living in a trans only society. If I couldn't be with the guy I love, who would I date, make love with or maybe even marry? I'm not attracted to other women, cis or trans, and besides, what would be the lure of thousands of other transgendered woman around nothing but other transgendered women. My prayers have been answered and I love most of my life. Besides, I couldn't bring my SO or my mom. And what about the other straight trans women who would want to date men only? They wouldn't want to come either, so it would simply be a tinier minority in a tiny minority. We're already a tiny minority now inside of the LGBT community! Also, what would be the point of guns and law enforcement if we're all the same type of women who'd separated themselves from society because we all got along? Truthfully, I can't think of one thing, not one, that sounds attractive to me. I'm sorry, Karriann, but like one of the other women said, it just sounds creepy to me.

@miranda
I believe she said you could bring your SO and family. Also youre forgetting transmen...
Sorry to rain on your post..

Quote from: Emo on January 09, 2014, 11:30:17 PM
@miranda
I believe she said you could bring your SO and family. Also youre forgetting transmen...
Sorry to rain on your post..

There are some physical traits in a man born male I highly doubt a transman could match. For one, I'm 5' 9" and I wear heels. I was looking at a height chart for American men and women, and the average American woman is 5' 5", but the transman born female would have to be 6' 2" for me to feel comfortable. We all have our physical needs and for me, that's a tall order. I was wrong about the SO, though. Thanks for pointing that out. I still wouldn't go. Not even a slight chance, sorry to rain on your retort. Hugs, Mira

Nah. Its no biggie. I was just sayin.
I enjoy being an "outcast" in society. Not because i like the music group, but because its familiar ground. Ive been one all my life. Itd be a shame to be the same.

No.

This is just my opinion, but my trans status doesn't sum up the entirety of who I am. I'm a woman who just so happens to be trans. I don't like the idea of self segregating myself from the rest of society to a all trans community. I can see the appeal, but the world is to big and to amazing to only live in a limited piece of it.

*siiiiiighs*

NO! Not remotely. Never. Oh my god, no. This is a horrible idea. Argh.

Yeah, because I want to cast off all my cis friends for *what* reason? To spend... y'know, I can't even.

definitely not.   no closed society is very healthy mentally for long.

Quote from: Jamie D on January 09, 2014, 08:36:48 PM
Pictures, CA!  Pictures.  ;)

This one will do.

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Quote from: Constance on January 10, 2014, 11:13:09 AM

Quote from: Jamie D on January 09, 2014, 08:36:48 PM
Pictures, CA!  Pictures.  ;)

This one will do.

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Want!

Quote from: FA on January 10, 2014, 11:19:22 AM
This one will do.

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Want!

very pretty

Quote from: Constance on January 10, 2014, 11:13:09 AM
This one will do.

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That is so completely cool.  Reminds me of the Underwood Manual typewrite I had in college.

Oh, so few today know what cc: really means!

Quote from: suzifrommd on January 09, 2014, 11:43:18 AM
No. I enjoy being around cis-gendered people. I like having trans people in my life, but all-transfeminine spaces are very different than all female spaces (don't know if other people have seen this.) I would miss friendships with cis-women if I didn't have them.

So in other words I'm not really a woman? That's how this is coming off, Suzi. Yes, trans spaces will be different from woman's spaces where the focus isn't being trans, obviously. But you could have 10 cis women and eight trans women in a book club and it would be no different then if the trans women were there or not. This is especially true if all the trans girls are stealth.

I know you're new to being trans Suzi so I guess I can see you saying this but really i found the underlying concept that there is a fundemental difference between myself and a GG highly insulting and makes me feel all fake. I don't like that feeling and if I had to go out into an all women's space today, this would have nuked what little confidence I have. I don't think there is and I dont put much weight into the whole female socialization thing. Not for peeps my age. Girls and boys are raised essnetially the same nowadays. Much to the radfems chagrin. Yes there are def going to be differences of expereince but outside of maybe 10 peeps who I have known on Susan's I have never had the same or even similar experience as another person so I hardly have been socialized correctly as male either. Far from it. Most men usually tell me to go hang out with the girls where I belong. This was pre-HRT. And the only male privilege I had was the privilege to be bamboozled by the Pennsylvania Justice System and put in a male prison for two years from 19-21 where I subquently had to fight off multiple sexual assaults. And even there they kept telling me they would put me on the woman's block if they could. And three female probation  officers tried to get me to confess to being a prositute and put try to put me in a recovery house for prostitutes instead. I should have done it. Male privilege. Not for me.

And in seventh grade in an effort to make myself useful to potential male friends I wrote a poem for this guy for English and then the teacher, Ms. Park, who I loved and was the best teacher I ever had, made him redo the poem and said "Sorry Bob you have to write your own poems there is no way you wrote it. it's far too sweet, emotive and sensitive that only M could have wrote it" Just what every seventh grade boy wants to hear: I'm sweet gentle and sensitive and emotional. This is alll because I am a woman. And becuase of an unfortunate occurence somehwere around six weeks into life the translocation of the SRY made me this.

Okay, I'm rambling, this just really triggered me.

Quote from: Lana P on January 09, 2014, 12:36:16 PM
Why in hell would anyone want firearms guns are a huge no no hell no. Oh and to respond NO.

Simple answer, its best to have them and not need them, then need one and not have one.

Quote from: kariann330 on January 10, 2014, 12:04:53 PM
Simple answer, its best to have them and not need them, then need one and not have one.

Sorry, but that doesn't hold water. Think of how many people that have dealt suicidal thoughts and then imagine that gun being around "just for protection". It would be all too easy to pop a cap in your skull and it would be done and over with.

No thanks. Besides, I have plenty of other means to protect myself that don't involve firearms.

Actually it holds more then water....it holds lead, brass, powder etc.

Quote from: kariann330 on January 10, 2014, 12:54:49 PM
Actually it holds more then water....it holds lead, brass, powder etc.

::) You missed the point entirely.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on January 10, 2014, 11:48:20 AM

Quote from: suzifrommd on January 09, 2014, 11:43:18 AM
No. I enjoy being around cis-gendered people. I like having trans people in my life, but all-transfeminine spaces are very different than all female spaces (don't know if other people have seen this.) I would miss friendships with cis-women if I didn't have them.

So in other words I'm not really a woman? That's how this is coming off, Suzi. Yes, trans spaces will be different from woman's spaces where the focus isn't being trans, obviously. But you could have 10 cis women and eight trans women in a book club and it would be no different then if the trans women were there or not. This is especially true if all the trans girls are stealth.

I know you're new to being trans Suzi so I guess I can see you saying this but really i found the underlying concept that there is a fundemental difference between myself and a GG highly insulting and makes me feel all fake. I don't like that feeling and if I had to go out into an all women's space today, this would have nuked what little confidence I have. I don't think there is and I dont put much weight into the whole female socialization thing. Not for peeps my age. Girls and boys are raised essnetially the same nowadays. Much to the radfems chagrin. Yes there are def going to be differences of expereince but outside of maybe 10 peeps who I have known on Susan's I have never had the same or even similar experience as another person so I hardly have been socialized correctly as male either. Far from it. Most men usually tell me to go hang out with the girls where I belong. This was pre-HRT. And the only male privilege I had was the privilege to be bamboozled by the Pennsylvania Justice System and put in a male prison for two years from 19-21 where I subquently had to fight off multiple sexual assaults. And even there they kept telling me they would put me on the woman's block if they could. And three female probation  officers tried to get me to confess to being a prositute and put try to put me in a recovery house for prostitutes instead. I should have done it. Male privilege. Not for me.

And in seventh grade in an effort to make myself useful to potential male friends I wrote a poem for this guy for English and then the teacher, Ms. Park, who I loved and was the best teacher I ever had, made him redo the poem and said "Sorry Bob you have to write your own poems there is no way you wrote it. it's far too sweet, emotive and sensitive that only M could have wrote it" Just what every seventh grade boy wants to hear: I'm sweet gentle and sensitive and emotional. This is alll because I am a woman. And becuase of an unfortunate occurence somehwere around six weeks into life the translocation of the SRY made me this.

Okay, I'm rambling, this just really triggered me.

Hey hon, I realize this was triggering but I think you may be reading too much into what Suzi wrote. I've never been in an all-transfeminine space that I know of, but I suspect there is a difference. Just as there would probably be a difference in an all women-of-color space and an all white women space. Or all lesbian vs all straight women space. These women all have vastly different experiences of womanhood as do trans women. So it makes sense there would be a different atmosphere. I expect there's also a vastly different atmosphere between trans male spaces and cis male spaces (actually I know there is; a lot of trans men have a very womanist ideological background that is very foreign to most cis males).

I've been to one all trans feminine event, the ill-fated Pacific Coast Living conference (it was supposed to be annual, but unfortunately there was only ever the one conference). The "feeling" to that was different than, say, the SisterSpirit retreat I went to last year. That was a women's spirituality event, and I was welcomed as one of them.

Now I should stress here that I felt like I was one of Them. That is to say, I did feel a bit like a outsider even as I was completely welcomed regardless of the circumstances of my birth.

What I'm saying is that from my point of view, this one trans feminine space felt different than this one feminine space to me. After all, there are medical issues that I would have in common with the attendees of the PCL conference that I wouldn't share with the attendees of SisterSpirit.

This is by not means a scientific survey. These are simply my experiences and will definitely differ from the experiences of others. For my part, however, being trans is part of my identity and that is an intentional choice I've made.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on January 10, 2014, 11:48:20 AM
So in other words I'm not really a woman? That's how this is coming off, Suzi.

Oh, Joanna, I didn't mean anything like that. I'm so sorry that's how it came across.

All I meant is that the emotional climate in the all-transfeminine spaces I've been in and the climate in the mixed feminine spaces I've been in have been different. I might be way off here - I might be reading a lot into the specifics of each situation. I'm not sure why the climate seemed more supportive and accepting in the mixed feminine spaces. It's certainly not because trans women are any less women or any less feminine.

Please accept my apology. Trans women are every bit women. To say otherwise goes again all I believe in.

Quote from: suzifrommd on January 10, 2014, 02:37:10 PM
Oh, Joanna, I didn't mean anything like that. I'm so sorry that's how it came across.

All I meant is that the emotional climate in the all-transfeminine spaces I've been in and the climate in the mixed feminine spaces I've been in have been different. I might be way off here - I might be reading a lot into the specifics of each situation. I'm not sure why the climate seemed more supportive and accepting in the mixed feminine spaces. It's certainly not because trans women are any less women or any less feminine.

Please accept my apology. Trans women are every bit women. To say otherwise goes again all I believe in.

I understand what you're talking about. When I'm in all trans spaces, the vibe is totally different than when I'm, say, at practice with dozens of other women around of all stripes and more so in a place where it's girls and guys all mixed up, trans and not. Even if there's another trans chick or two, being a girl in normal society is very different than an echo chamber like environment where everyone is dealing with some various stage of trans issues. I think that separating out trans peeps from society kinda misses the point of dealing what what we have to go through entirely.

Quote from: Lana P on January 09, 2014, 12:36:16 PM
Why in hell would anyone want firearms guns are a huge no no hell no. Oh and to respond NO.

Quote from: kariann330 on January 10, 2014, 12:04:53 PM
Simple answer, its best to have them and not need them, then need one and not have one.

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 10, 2014, 12:18:32 PM
Sorry, but that doesn't hold water. Think of how many people that have dealt suicidal thoughts and then imagine that gun being around "just for protection". It would be all too easy to pop a cap in your skull and it would be done and over with.

No thanks. Besides, I have plenty of other means to protect myself that don't involve firearms.

Quote from: kariann330 on January 10, 2014, 12:54:49 PM
Actually it holds more then water....it holds lead, brass, powder etc.

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 10, 2014, 01:03:11 PM
::) You missed the point entirely.

As someone who attempted suicide three times, I thank God I didn't have access to a gun any of the times I tried, but although I didn't succeed, it wasn't for lack of trying. I used drug overdoses and alcohol twice, and tried to hit an artery with a knife and missed on the other. That's why I'm F**king pissed now, Laura, though not at you. Kariann didn't miss the point, she was making a lame joke about suicide, weren't you, Kariann. I know this is a thread about a hypothetical city for us and on the whole, few posters would have moved into your utopia. But do I have to say this? There is nothing remotely funny about suicide, period, but in this, the trans community, I've read that our suicide attempts statistics are up to 20 times higher than the general population. I'm so f**king glad that I couldn't get my hands on a gun when I attempted to kill myself, because I wouldn't be here today to enjoy my life as a woman if I had. I've said this before about my suicide attempts, and I'm sure some of you are sick of hearing it.....but none of my attempts were anything less than me trying my hardest to die. They weren't 'cries for help' because I was positive nobody would give a ->-bleeped-<- if they were, but Kariann, I wasn't the only woman out there who wouldn't be here if I had a gun to end my existence, and I think your insensitivity to it sucks.

Quote from: Miranda Catherine on January 10, 2014, 11:04:46 PM
As someone who attempted suicide three times, I thank God I didn't have access to a gun any of the times I tried, but although I didn't succeed, it wasn't for lack of trying. I used drug overdoses and alcohol twice, and tried to hit an artery with a knife and missed on the other. That's why I'm F**king pissed now, Laura, though not at you. Kariann didn't miss the point, she was making a lame joke about suicide, weren't you, Kariann. I know this is a thread about a hypothetical city for us and on the whole, few posters would have moved into your utopia. But do I have to say this? There is nothing remotely funny about suicide, period, but in this, the trans community, I've read that our suicide attempts statistics are up to 20 times higher than the general population. I'm so f**king glad that I couldn't get my hands on a gun when I attempted to kill myself, because I wouldn't be here today to enjoy my life as a woman if I had. I've said this before about my suicide attempts, and I'm sure some of you are sick of hearing it.....but none of my attempts were anything less than me trying my hardest to die. They weren't 'cries for help' because I was positive nobody would give a ->-bleeped-<- if they were, but Kariann, I wasn't the only woman out there who wouldn't be here if I had a gun to end my existence, and I think your insensitivity to it sucks.

My joke had NOTHING to do with suicide so plz don't get mad at me. I am sorry that it came off that way. My joke was aimed solely at the comment of my "better to have it....." comment "not holding water". I honestly think you took that one at face value instead of the smart a**ed remark it was meant as....same as my usual response to why risk jail time for CCing all the time....I would rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6, because MY piers are fellow Lifetime NRA members.....nothingmore then a smart a**ed remark. Sorry you got offended again but i don't and won't retract my statement.

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