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 :angel:I just thought I would ask and start a new thread. I wonder if we can make a list that would be kind of a helpful top 10 or top 20 perhaps, of things One can do to feminize themselves while waiting to be approved for HRT or for those unable or not wanting HRT as part of a treatment. I could totally use some advice and suggestions myself. :icon_chick:

Some I can think right now...

1.Long hair
2.Make up
3.Jewelry
4.Weight loss
5.Less hair
6.Perfumes
7.More feminine manners
8.Female glasses

Lots of things.

But top of the list. Loose weight. Move your weight to the low end of the normal range for a female your age. BMI somewhere under 20.

Grow your hair out. Takes forever and wigs suck.

Learn how to apply make-up. Practice, practice, practice.

Find clothing that flatters your body. Not all things look good on all people.

Start electrolysis if you have the money. Also takes forever and expensive. First thing any trans woman should do and we always wish we started earlier.

Ill think of more, but this is enough to get started.

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 10, 2014, 07:54:01 PM
:angel:I just thought I would ask and start a new thread. I wonder if we can make a list that would be kind of a helpful top 10 or top 20 perhaps, of things One can do to feminize themselves while waiting to be approved for HRT or for those unable or not wanting HRT as part of a treatment. I could totally use some advice and suggestions myself. :icon_chick:

Grow hair out/hair style
Hair removal (especially facial)
pluck eyebrows
moisturize face
mannerisms/posture
clothing
make up
finger nails

find your female voice...


that is not affected on HRT anyway.

non hormonal..... hmmmm

1: female voice
2: facial hair romoval
3: make-up
4: clothes
5: grow head hair
6: female posture/walk/manurisoms
7: FFS

thats all i can think of off hand.

breast massage

Quote from: Oriah on January 11, 2014, 12:17:53 PM
breast massage

would that really work? ???

1 Remove facial hair
2 Long hair in female style
3 Pluck eyebrows
4 Make up
5 False breasts
6 Clothes
7 Voice
8 Jewellry
9 Manicure/nail polish
10 Shoes

All of the above, except the breast massage part. You dont have any if your not on hormones.

Quote from: Emo on January 11, 2014, 12:33:40 PM
would that really work? ???

the massaging helps with stimulating the bloodflow in the area. better flow means better growth in some cases.

another thing: long term tucking/inverting will bring down the t levels, slightly

eat foods that are natural anti-androgens, like mints. (and stay away from the t builders like cashews and almonds)

Kia Ora Sunshine,

Re: Top 10 ways to feminize yourself without Hormones?


1)Have lots of  Money
2) Find a good electrolysis or laser specialist 
3)(through to 10) employ the services of a skilled team of Surgeons

Or hope and pray that you'll be reincarnated as a female  ;) ;D (but I guess hormones will still play a part)

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: veritatemfurto on January 11, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
the massaging helps with stimulating the bloodflow in the area. better flow means better growth in some cases.

another thing: long term tucking/inverting will bring down the t levels, slightly

eat foods that are natural anti-androgens, like mints. (and stay away from the t builders like cashews and almonds)

Pre-HRT there isn't any growth to improve though.

Quote from: Anatta on January 11, 2014, 03:54:03 PM
Re: Top 10 ways to feminize yourself without Hormones?


1) Have lots of  Money

Okay, I know this is a painful truth, one many of us suffer greatly with. I know I sometimes suffer with this truth on many levels. Please keep this in mind when I admit that my first reaction to this overlooked offering was laughter. These four words just had such a cutting through bluntness for me that mirth arose without volition. Kind of like a teacher striking a student - which is curious considering the author.

Well done, Anatta. 

PS - Did I mention I mean no offence with this reaction/post?!?

Quote from: Tanya W on January 11, 2014, 04:11:58 PM
Okay, I know this is a painful truth, one many of us suffer greatly with. I know I sometimes suffer with this truth on many levels. Please keep this in mind when I admit that my first reaction to this overlooked offering was laughter. These four words just had such a cutting through bluntness for me that mirth arose without volition. Kind of like a teacher striking a student - which is curious considering the author.

Well done, Anatta. 

PS - Did I mention I mean no offence with this reaction/post?!?

Kia Ora Tanya,

My post was part in jest and part serious...No offence taken....

Sunshine might like to change the title to Re: Top 10 ways to feminize yourself without Hormones...or lots of money ?

Metta Zenda :)

Yes, should be top of the list. Save every penny you can, transition is expensive no matter what. You will need all the money you can get.

Quote from: veritatemfurto on January 11, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
the massaging helps with stimulating the bloodflow in the area. better flow means better growth in some cases.

another thing: long term tucking/inverting will bring down the t levels, slightly

eat foods that are natural anti-androgens, like mints. (and stay away from the t builders like cashews and almonds)

That helps..
Ive been looking for these kinds of answers..

Hmm could use a list of foods to stay away from then that are T boosting, I love MINT to death so that is good news. Could also use a list of foods that are good for trans women in general.

Quote from: amber1964 on January 11, 2014, 03:09:40 PM
All of the above, except the breast massage part. You dont have any if your not on hormones.

You should have seen my moobs two years ago.  Bigger than they are now...

Its not so much about a list of foods. But, HRT is hard on your body. Its a time of great changes. So you need to eat lots of very clean calories. No drinking, no drugs, no smoking. No processed foods of any kind. Everything as fresh as possible. Low in cholesterol, so no fats, no sugars, most especially nothing with corn based sweetener. Stay away from gluten as well or any product that uses modern hybrid grains. Proteins high in fish, chicken and pork ok very little to no beef. Try to get meat that is organic - no steroids or hormones used. Its a good time to stay very active. Doesnt matter what, some light strain training plus cardio is best.

Quote from: amber1964 on January 11, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
Its not so much about a list of foods. But, HRT is hard on your body. Its a time of great changes. So you need to eat lots of very clean calories. No drinking, no drugs, no smoking. No processed foods of any kind. Everything as fresh as possible. Low in cholesterol, so no fats, no sugars, most especially nothing with corn based sweetener. Stay away from gluten as well or any product that uses modern hybrid grains. Proteins high in fish, chicken and pork ok very little to no beef. Try to get meat that is organic - no steroids or hormones used. Its a good time to stay very active. Doesnt matter what, some light strain training plus cardio is best.

No... Sugar... D':

Anything we can eat that wont cost a fortune?

Quote from: Anatta on January 11, 2014, 03:54:03 PM
Kia Ora Sunshine,

Re: Top 10 ways to feminize yourself without Hormones?


1)Have lots of  Money
2) Find a good electrolysis or laser specialist 
3)(through to 10) employ the services of a skilled team of Surgeons

Or hope and pray that you'll be reincarnated as a female  ;) ;D (but I guess hormones will still play a part)

Metta Zenda :)

I like the reincarnation part the best. OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Quote from: Emo on January 11, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
No... Sugar... D':

Anything we can eat that wont cost a fortune?

Indeed.

Not everyone can afford to eat only healthy foods. That sort thing is expensive.

What is cheaper than apples or oranges or bananas or kale or letuce or canned tuna? What would you eat that is cheaper? I spend very little on food and eat only what I said. I suppose I could just eat ramen noodles but whats the point of HRT if you starve your body and dont transition? Hormones arent magic, they need something to work with. Just IMO.

Quote from: amber1964 on January 11, 2014, 07:15:24 PM
What is cheaper than apples or oranges or bananas or kale or letuce or canned tuna? What would you eat that is cheaper? I spend very little on food and eat only what I said. I suppose I could just eat ramen noodles but whats the point of HRT if you starve your body and dont transition? Hormones arent magic, they need something to work with. Just IMO.

But organic?
I love fruit but it can get expensive. I cant exactly cook right now. The best i can do is a pb&j, ramen, and maybe cerial. Its expensive to buy raw ingredients especially if i will mess it up almost every time. XP

Quote from: Emo on January 11, 2014, 07:20:13 PM
But organic?
I love fruit but it can get expensive. I cant exactly cook right now. The best i can do is a pb&j, ramen, and maybe cerial. Its expensive to buy raw ingredients especially if i will mess it up almost every time. XP

Yeah, fruit is expensive. I can't stand most veggies so I like to eat fruits to compensate. But when I can I buy a thing of Cherries, Blueberries, some Raisins, Bananas and Strawberries, (when a lot of these are in season. I won't eat berries out of season because they suck.) and you can knock the hell out of $20 really quick. Factor in living on a budget and things can get rough.

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 11, 2014, 07:24:22 PM
Yeah, fruit is expensive. I can't stand most veggies so I like to eat fruits to compensate. But when can buy a thing of Cherries, Blueberries, some Raisins, Bananas and Strawberries, (when a lot of these are in season. I won't eat berries out of season because they suck.) and you can knock the hell out of $20 really quick. Factor in living on a budget and things can get rough.

I think ill do a ballanced college diet. Ramen, and a boatload of water.

Im not being clear enough, apologies.

Organic is best for meat. Doesnt matter for fruit and veggies. Best to avoid beef, its expensive anyway and its full of steroids and hormones.

You want to be a female, but you dont know how to cook? Or make basic foods? Its easy, you dont even need to cook anything. If you lived close, you could come stay with me a few days and I would teach you. I have taught a lot of young ladies like yourself.

You need a hot plate at least, to heat things up. One pot and a sink a few dishes. Basics. With those you can make gourmet food cheap. Its about good honest ingredients, not expensive. Its some work making decent food, yes, but its the best thing you can do for yourself. If you have a little talent and time you can eat perfectly on $20 or so for an entire week. I do, my pic is me and taken a couple weeks ago. So, your young, going to look fantastic but your body needs something to work with.

If you cant afford $20 a week for groceries then dont start HRT, being honest with you. Hormones cost money and what you do now, from the start determines how well things will go for you in 10 or 20 or 30 years.

But its your life. If you want any help just message me. Big Hug and take care.

Quote from: Emo on January 11, 2014, 07:29:02 PM
I think ill do a ballanced college diet. Ramen, and a boatload of water.

Ramen....*shudders* I can' eat that stuff anymore. I figured if I end up in a situation where I am REALLY broke. I can survive on canned tuna, canned ravioli, raisins and cheese cracker.

Quote from: amber1964 on January 11, 2014, 07:39:24 PM
Im not being clear enough, apologies.

Organic is best for meat. Doesnt matter for fruit and veggies. Best to avoid beef, its expensive anyway and its full of steroids and hormones.

You want to be a female, but you dont know how to cook? Or make basic foods? Its easy, you dont even need to cook anything. If you lived close, you could come stay with me a few days and I would teach you. I have taught a lot of young ladies like yourself.

You need a hot plate at least, to heat things up. One pot and a sink a few dishes. Basics. With those you can make gourmet food cheap. Its about good honest ingredients, not expensive. Its some work making decent food, yes, but its the best thing you can do for yourself. If you have a little talent and time you can eat perfectly on $20 or so for an entire week. I do, my pic is me and taken a couple weeks ago. So, your young, going to look fantastic but your body needs something to work with.

If you cant afford $20 a week for groceries then dont start HRT, being honest with you. Hormones cost money and what you do now, from the start determines how well things will go for you in 10 or 20 or 30 years.

But its your life. If you want any help just message me. Big Hug and take care.

As if cooking is a girl thang. Lol
Ever heard of emeril?

I can afford 20 a week. And id love to meet up.
I may have exagerated with how much i could cook. I can do breakfast pretty well. Im a great baker tho. :)

Quote from: amber1964 on January 11, 2014, 07:39:24 PM
If you cant afford $20 a week for groceries then dont start HRT, being honest with you. Hormones cost money and what you do now, from the start determines how well things will go for you in 10 or 20 or 30 years.

Let's see here....Hmmmm...hmmmm...

Rent
Electric bill
Phone bill (that's a landline, by the way, not a fancy cell phone)
Full HRT regimen out of pocket at $200 a month
Bloodwork ranging from $250 to $450 out of pocket depending on the test.
Electro at $50 an hour (plus gas money since it would be out of town and asking someone to get you there.)
Endo visits at $60 a pop

Now, how is that budget for food looking again? When you are in a situation like this, food ends up being last on the list.

As far as veggies Go,I try and stock up on Low Sodium V8 juice,it is less expensive than buying a long list of vegeatbles and its rather tasty, it also comes in spicy variety and regular, but I reccomend the low sodium, you can get a 48 oz plastic bottle for $3, also I try to find clearance items at the store,like sometimes they will have veggie and fruit platters that are 1 week from expiration and they go from costing $20 to $5

Well, do as you wish. You must live in the US, sorry for you.

HRT is nowhere near that much per month. Maybe 60 or 70 dollars.

Quote from: Emo on January 11, 2014, 12:33:40 PM
would that really work? ???

oh yes, breast massage works even if a person isn't on HRT.....everyone has estrogen in their bodies...the adrenals produce it in some amount, as well as the estrogen produced through aromatization.  Progesterone is produced by the adrenals and testicles too....

Massaging increases bloodflow to the breasts, bringing more of the hormones in your blood to that area, thus stimulating the corresponding receptors in that area leading to legitimate breast growth....

it does take time, a month to several for significant results, but they do come

anyone who claims it doesn't work hasn't done their homework

Thankfully my insurance will cover hrt, with a small copay of like $3 per bottle. So that part is very helpful. However I still have not gotten approval yet.

Quote from: Oriah on January 11, 2014, 08:41:26 PM
oh yes, breast massage works even if a person isn't on HRT.....everyone has estrogen in their bodies...the adrenals produce it in some amount, as well as the estrogen produced through aromatization.  Progesterone is produced by the adrenals and testicles too....

Massaging increases bloodflow to the breasts, bringing more of the hormones in your blood to that area, thus stimulating the corresponding receptors in that area leading to legitimate breast growth....

it does take time, a month to several for significant results, but they do come

anyone who claims it doesn't work hasn't done their homework

Experiment time!
Im totally trying this.

I'm a little skeptical that massage increases fat distribution to the massaged area. I know athletes use it to enhance blood flow to muscles for recovery and help remove lactic acid buildup when muscles are exercised. But I'm a natural skeptic by nature anyway. Probably worth a try since it's not particularly strenuous to do. Besides... gee, a massage, how awful!  :D

Quote from: amber1964 on January 11, 2014, 08:24:16 PM
Well, do as you wish. You must live in the US, sorry for you.

HRT is nowhere near that much per month. Maybe 60 or 70 dollars.

Ah, I see.

So...you like to compare your situation, which is radically different to others, and yet you seem to treat them as one and the same?

Got ya.

Quote from: Oriah on January 11, 2014, 12:17:53 PM
breast massage

Found it!
http://www.hoano.com/articles/breastMassage.htm

Quote from: Oriah on January 11, 2014, 08:41:26 PM
oh yes, breast massage works even if a person isn't on HRT.....everyone has estrogen in their bodies...the adrenals produce it in some amount, as well as the estrogen produced through aromatization.  Progesterone is produced by the adrenals and testicles too....

Massaging increases bloodflow to the breasts, bringing more of the hormones in your blood to that area, thus stimulating the corresponding receptors in that area leading to legitimate breast growth....

it does take time, a month to several for significant results, but they do come

anyone who claims it doesn't work hasn't done their homework

But normal male levels of E/progesterone aren't anywhere near the concentrations to cause growth, no matter how much you massage. Do you actually have any citations for this? Otherwise, I'm not believing it.

Quote from: Thylacin on January 11, 2014, 10:22:43 PM
But normal male levels of E/progesterone aren't anywhere near the concentrations to cause growth, no matter how much you massage. Do you actually have any citations for this? Otherwise, I'm not believing it.

http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Breast_Enlargement_Secrets_for_Males.html

Quote from: Oriah on January 11, 2014, 08:41:26 PM
oh yes, breast massage works even if a person isn't on HRT.....everyone has estrogen in their bodies...the adrenals produce it in some amount, as well as the estrogen produced through aromatization.  Progesterone is produced by the adrenals and testicles too....

Massaging increases bloodflow to the breasts, bringing more of the hormones in your blood to that area, thus stimulating the corresponding receptors in that area leading to legitimate breast growth....

it does take time, a month to several for significant results, but they do come

anyone who claims it doesn't work hasn't done their homework

I believe member Michelle666 uses massage, with amazing results.

Quote from: Thylacin on January 11, 2014, 10:22:43 PM
But normal male levels of E/progesterone aren't anywhere near the concentrations to cause growth, no matter how much you massage. Do you actually have any citations for this? Otherwise, I'm not believing it.

Explain gynecomastia

Gynocemastia is a condition where males grow breasts. It can happen with certain meds (propecia is one) but more common is exogenous injection of testosterone. So its not uncommon amongst professional athletes and body builders. The only solution is surgery.

Quote from: amber1964 on January 11, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
HRT is hard on your body.

Quotewhat exactly you mean by "hard"?

Its a time of great changes. So you need to eat lots of very clean calories.

Quotewhat are clean calories? as oppose to dirty?

No drinking

Quotein excess....moderation

,
no drugs, no smoking.

Quotegood advice

No processed foods of any kind

Quotereally... not even Matzos or graham crackers?

. Proteins high in fish, chicken and pork ok very little to no beef.

QuoteLOL...I seen many kind of proteins (helical, catalytic, fibrous, etc, but never seen one high on fish...LOL

Try to get meat that is organic 

Quoteas opposed to inorganic ones..LOL

-

There is a nice article in Huffington post today about advice for men needing bras. Seemingly gynocemastia is increasing in USA males due to obesity and maybe food additives.

It isn't just the steroid junkies and men who naturally suffer the condition.

I know of one Mod here who had stunning boob development prior to HRT attributed to massage.

Absolute statements are usually biologically futile IMO.

Foods that increase estrogen:
http://lifehardcore.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/foods-containing-estrogen-and-foods-that-block-estrogen/
Foods that decrease androgen effects:
http://endometabol.com/?page=article&article_id=3644

Quote from: Emo on January 12, 2014, 12:45:14 AM
Foods that increase estrogen:
http://lifehardcore.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/foods-containing-estrogen-and-foods-that-block-estrogen/
Foods that decrease androgen effects:
http://endometabol.com/?page=article&article_id=3644

THANKS :)

Oh and of course on a side note we are all surely aware that folks with intersex conditions can also get gynocemastia (like myself)

Quote from: Emo on January 12, 2014, 12:45:14 AM
Foods that increase estrogen:
http://lifehardcore.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/foods-containing-estrogen-and-foods-that-block-estrogen/
Foods that decrease androgen effects:
http://endometabol.com/?page=article&article_id=3644

Thanks for this! Very interesting.

Quote from: Emo on January 11, 2014, 10:34:51 PM
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Breast_Enlargement_Secrets_for_Males.html

::)

Quote from: Emo on January 11, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
Found it!
http://www.hoano.com/articles/breastMassage.htm

I dont know if its my imagination or if im just noticing more but it seems that the massaging is working little by little after 3 days.
My "moobs" are rounder, slightly softer, and they seem to fill my hands.. Also the nipple is feeling a bit different than usual...
The sensitivity has also increased. >__>
Sorry if this is tmi.

Tissue growth?? Yes please. :)
http://www.wikihow.com/Increase-Estrogen

http://www.wikihow.com/Lower-Testosterone-Levels

Quote from: Oriah on January 11, 2014, 12:17:53 PM
breast massage

And it feels good when I do massage my breasts!

hmmm, Idk about 10 but I will try.
1). Soft and healthy skin. Have a good skincare regime.Minimize pores, make skin glow, no breakouts and have even texture
2). Thinner Eyebrows
3). Facial Hair Removal
4). Gain some weight in the right places and the right amount for your body type.
5) Use hair styles that cover features you dont like such as a bang.

Quote from: Emo on January 12, 2014, 12:45:14 AM
Foods that decrease androgen effects:
http://endometabol.com/?page=article&article_id=3644

Green tea... how curious. I used to drink it in extreme amounts during my late stage of puberty and afterwards - I guess, I know now to whom I must say thanks for male puberty being quite kind on me :).

Breast massage can't do any harm, and it is enjoyable.  I believe that the act of massaging your breasts is feminizing to the mind.  So, I would endorse that.

I don't want to sound like a one-track record, but feminization-hypnosis is excellent.  Moreover, the hypnosis reinforces the other behavioral and attitudinal changes.  I think I will do one that incorporates the food suggestions on this thread.

My chest felt funny while i went down the stairs today. Id say the massaging is working.

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 11, 2014, 07:45:42 PM
Let's see here....Hmmmm...hmmmm...

Rent
Electric bill
Phone bill (that's a landline, by the way, not a fancy cell phone)
Full HRT regimen out of pocket at $200 a month
Bloodwork ranging from $250 to $450 out of pocket depending on the test.
Electro at $50 an hour (plus gas money since it would be out of town and asking someone to get you there.)
Endo visits at $60 a pop

Now, how is that budget for food looking again? When you are in a situation like this, food ends up being last on the list.

Let me solve this for you:


Rent = BF
Electric bill = BF
Phone bill (that's a landline, by the way, not a fancy cell phone) = Obama
Full HRT regimen out of pocket at $200 a month = you're going to the wrong place. mazzoni center or similar gender clinic
Bloodwork ranging from $250 to $450 out of pocket depending on the test. = see above
Electro at $50 an hour (plus gas money since it would be out of town and asking someone to get you there.) = tweezers. hurts but oh well
Endo visits at $60 a pop = see above

Food = EBT

There, you can transition, eat, drink have fun, get laid, transition and never pay a red cent. Actually, my BF even makes food and buys it. I just clean everything up. But then again, maybe I'm just lucky. or too cute. Both? Nope I'm not lucky at all, nor pretty. I just learned how to play the game.


Oh about gynecomastia. it's only real if it involves glandular tissue. I had true gynecomstia as in I'm 5'6, 120 lbs and had B cups pre-HRT. I've had to show my ID to prove I';m a guy to people because of it. It was horrible and I almost cut them off. Of course, now it has proven to be very lucky and I have gigantic boobs for my frame.

About SRS: Did I mention my BF is rich, rich, rich.

I know I'm coming off as a trap whore but I have had a pretty horrible life and wont even get into it so i think I deserve this. It's time something finally went my way. But my attitude and how I treat people IRL also helps. I help my nieghbors. My BF's mom loves me. So, it's all give and take. But for someone like me...I had to transition and the idea of waiting another second even if i'm doing this half-a$$ed, is horrid.

PS: Clothes = Church!

Ok, I will admit, my purse effing sucks...bleh and puke. Don't worry i am pretty sure this is all a dream and i will wake up in the gutter, with a needle in my arm, wearing a dress, beat up, with cops standing over me about to taser me and push down on the OC spray right before hauling me off to CFCF to be brutally raped...again. But right now, I'm going to do everything I can to stay a sleeping beauty.

Well, I am on a vegan diet on most days and I think it helps with a lot of things... not hard to cook vegan and it is really a lot cheaper than meat.

Just curious, would herbals be off limits as a suggestion? 
Plant hormones and such? 

Quote from: JustEmily on January 24, 2014, 11:14:18 PM
Well, I am on a vegan diet on most days and I think it helps with a lot of things... not hard to cook vegan and it is really a lot cheaper than meat.

Just curious, would herbals be off limits as a suggestion? 
Plant hormones and such?

Of course not. Lol
Herbs are more safe than synthetic hormones. Theyll take longer but its less of a risk.
Im probably still going to go with normal hrt tho so dont think im completely endorsing it.

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