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We were having a little discussion over in the fun and games threads and thought we'd throw it out to the masses: Who is the greatest men's hockey player of all time?  >:-)

Gwynne, we all know that Wayne Gretzky is the greatest. ;)

Loved watching the Kings in the early 90s with Gretzky and his enforcer, McSorley.

Too bad they barely missed the Stanley.

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 20, 2014, 07:10:26 PM
Gwynne, we all know that Wayne Gretzky is the greatest. ;)

... and I'll tell you why. Look at his face! How do you play an entire career as one of the most hated scoring machines and retire looking so darn good?

I'll tell ya.... he's the greatest hockey player of all time!

Greatest goalie is Martin Brodeur.

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 20, 2014, 07:17:24 PM
Greatest goalie is Martin Brodeur.

I agree. Thought you might be swayed by Hasek.

Quote from: Nikko on January 20, 2014, 07:14:45 PM
... and I'll tell you why. Look at his face! How do you play an entire career as one of the most hated scoring machines and retire looking so darn good?

Wayne could warp the fabric of space-time.

Quote from: Gwynne on January 20, 2014, 07:20:27 PM
I agree. Thought you might be swayed by Hasek.

Hasek was great but I think he's a total a-hole.

Quote from: Jill F on January 20, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Loved watching the Kings in the early 90s with Gretzky and his enforcer, McSorley.

Too bad they barely missed the Stanley.

Wasn't McSorley the guy that got banned from the NHL for hitting Brashear (sp?) in the head with a stick?

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 20, 2014, 07:22:14 PM
Hasek was great but I think he's a total a-hole.

I feel the same way about Roy.

Quote from: Gwynne on January 20, 2014, 07:24:27 PM
I feel the same way about Roy.

Yeah, same. Surprisingly he's a pretty good coach. Wouldn't be surprised if he adds the Jack Adams trophy to his resume.

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 20, 2014, 07:23:36 PM
Wasn't McSorley the guy that got banned from the NHL for hitting Brashear (sp?) in the head with a stick?

That was an ugly bit of business.  :-\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kd__QgG5Bw

Quote from: Gwynne on January 20, 2014, 07:26:51 PM
That was an ugly bit of business.  :-\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kd__QgG5Bw

Ouch. :/

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 20, 2014, 07:37:08 PM
Ouch. :/

Remember this one? Every bit as bad.   :-\

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpKa2ARS8tU

Quote from: Gwynne on January 20, 2014, 07:39:59 PM
Remember this one? Every bit as bad.   :-\

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpKa2ARS8tU

I've heard people talk about it but I haven't seen it until now.

Wow, just wow.

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 20, 2014, 07:43:39 PM
I've heard people talk about it but I haven't seen it until now.

Wow, just wow.

Bertuzzi used to own a house in Kitchener, where I lived when this happened. He built a ridiculously tall wall around the property to keep out the hecklers after this happened. It's a miracle Moore didn't die on the ice.  :-\

Quote from: Gwynne on January 20, 2014, 07:49:26 PM
Bertuzzi used to own a house in Kitchener, where I lived when this happened. He built a ridiculously tall wall around the property to keep out the hecklers after this happened. It's a miracle Moore didn't die on the ice.  :-\

Wow. Moore was hurt that bad?

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 20, 2014, 07:53:20 PM
Wow. Moore was hurt that bad?

Broken neck, temporary paralysis, long recovery period, permanent post-concussion syndrome

Quote from: Gwynne on January 20, 2014, 07:56:09 PM
Broken neck, temporary paralysis, long recovery period, permanent post-concussion syndrome

That's awful. :-\

I remember the Cooke hit on Savard..

I'm not up on hockey, only 2 names up there are even familiar. Sooo, Gretsky or Orr. I only learned of Orr from crosswords so lets go with Gretsky.

No brainer

Jamie Dwyer

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Got to go with Gretsky, but my personal favorites are Marcel Dionne and Rogie Vashon

It's a shame he Ian' t on your list, but definitely Peter Withe.

I'm still waiting for someone to vote for Taro Tsujimoto.

http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=438557

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I always liked Lemieux.

Quote from: Gwynne on January 21, 2014, 08:15:34 AM
I'm still waiting for someone to vote for Taro Tsujimoto.

http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=438557

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The best player to never play.

What about women's hockey players?

Quote from: LordKAT on January 21, 2014, 01:57:28 AM
I'm not up on hockey, only 2 names up there are even familiar. Sooo, Gretsky or Orr. I only learned of Orr from crosswords so lets go with Gretsky.

Let me guess...

21 Across: "You need one of these when your boat runs out of gas." 

The best defenseman this season is clearly Andrei Markov.

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 22, 2014, 03:54:43 PM
What about women's hockey players?

Hayley Wickenheiser, the pride of Shaunavon, Saskatchewan.

Did you know she also represented Canada at the summer Olympics in softball?

Quote from: Gwynne on January 22, 2014, 06:59:44 PM
Hayley Wickenheiser, the pride of Shaunavon, Saskatchewan.

Did you know she also represented Canada at the summer Olympics in softball?

Yup, she's my choice as well and no I did not know that!

Speaking of women's hockey, did you see that fight between the girl's USA and Canada teams?

No. When was this?

Gotta check it out.

Quote from: Gwynne on January 22, 2014, 07:08:20 PM
No. When was this?

Gotta check it out.

A month ago I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59lXX2RKDqs&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59lXX2RKDqs&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Best player to never win a Cup:

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Best offensive goaltender of all time:

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Quote from: Nikko on January 22, 2014, 04:06:52 PM
Let me guess...

21 Across: "You need one of these when your boat runs out of gas."

Nope clue was hockey player, It took getting the other words to figure it out.

Quote from: Gwynne on January 22, 2014, 08:44:12 PM
Best offensive goaltender of all time:

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Most hated player of all-time:

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Heaviest player in the NHL: John Scott @ 270 lbs.

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Quote from: Gwynne on January 23, 2014, 08:19:50 AM
Heaviest player in the NHL: John Scott @ 270 lbs.

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And scored his first goal in almost 4 years against the Leafs.

Tallest player in the NHL:

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Bep Guidolin, youngest player of all time (hit the NHL at sixteen!)

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Highest scoring Finnish player of all-time:

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The Finnish Flash, Teemu Selanne!

I think Roy was the best goalie. Buffalo and NJ were primarily focused on defense, so Hasek and Broduer got a lot of help from that, both still great goalies though. Roy was such an ass, hated him as my team, the Wings, always met them in the playoffs. Gretzky was def the best player ever though.

-Kelly

I think Brodeur is better because he holds the most records for any goalie ever. Roy is an ass but I respect him.

Quote from: LivingTheDream on January 29, 2014, 07:46:19 PM
I think Roy was the best goalie. Buffalo and NJ were primarily focused on defense, so Hasek and Broduer got a lot of help from that, both still great goalies though. Roy was such an ass, hated him as my team, the Wings, always met them in the playoffs. Gretzky was def the best player ever though.

-Kelly

I left Roy off the list out of spite . ::)

Now Jaques Plante, on the other hand... there was a dude I can respect.

Agree with you about Brodeur and Hasek getting helped out by solid D. CuJo, too.

What?! There was a time when the Sabres had solid D?

*faints*

Quote from: Gwynne on January 29, 2014, 07:51:12 PM
I left Roy off the list out of spite . ::)

Now Jaques Plante, on the other hand... there was a dude I can respect.

Agree with you about Brodeur and Hasek getting helped out by solid D. CuJo, too.

Hate Roy lol, he's a total a-hole but he was a great goalie. Still remember him getting into fights with my team  :). Hasek and Cujo weren't so great when they came to the Wings, but in fairness, they were older and out of their primes by then.

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 20, 2014, 07:17:24 PM
Greatest goalie is Martin Brodeur.

He definitely is, but as a goalie my coaches have always told me not to idolize him because goalies who do that tend to try to play like him. His style of play only works because he is such a talented player, with lots of good reflexes and instincts. Some goalies have the right skill set to play like that, but obviously no one can play that style better than Brodeur ^-^

The Sabres fan in me had to vote for Dominik Hasek.

But I know in all truth that Wayne Gretzky is probably ze Greatest.

(Hey at least I'am being honest now!)  ;D

Quite the Buffalo crew, here.

Leafs Nation represent? ;)

Quote from: Gwynne on January 29, 2014, 10:06:14 PM
Quite the Buffalo crew, here.

Leafs Nation represent? ;)

Lol when I used to go to hockey games there would always be this guy wearing a Leafs Jersey even when they weren't playing, I though it was hilarious, but back then the Leafs were better and Mats Sundin was awesome!

Didn't "Other" play for Crosby Stills Nash & Young??

Quote from: Gwynne on January 29, 2014, 10:06:14 PM
Quite the Buffalo crew, here.

Leafs Nation represent? ;)

Nobody likes the Maple Laffs. ;)

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 30, 2014, 05:49:37 AM
Nobody likes the Maple Laffs. ;)

Not the Leafs of today. Now a mutant time-warp fusion of the Leafs of '48, '63, '78 and '94? That would kick.

Quote from: Gwynne on January 30, 2014, 07:18:49 PM
Not the Leafs of today. Now a mutant time-warp fusion of the Leafs of '48, '63, '78 and '94? That would kick.

The Leafs aren't that bad this season though.

This guy

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Voted for The Great One but in terms of raw talent I liked Mario better.

http://youtu.be/sZiCx0vfRKo

Quote from: oh hai! on January 31, 2014, 06:42:42 AM
This guy

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Voted for The Great One but in terms of raw talent I liked Mario better.

http://youtu.be/sZiCx0vfRKo

SlapShot is an awesome movie.

If Super Mario wasn't plagued with injuries, who knows what he could of done? There's a chance he could of beat Gretzky in points.

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 31, 2014, 06:48:12 AM
If Super Mario wasn't plagued with injuries, who knows what he could of done? There's a chance he could of beat Gretzky in points.

The dude came back from cancer treatment and kicked! 8)