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When you were still pre everything or if you like me, are still pre-T... did or do you not shave your arms and legs? Did you grow body hair before going on testosterone?

I'm still in the closet for the most part, and I've never shaved my body hair. I don't know if it seems gross because I'm basically still 'female' but my arms and legs are pretty hairy and I like it that way. It helps me pass better as a guy when I wear short sleeved shirts and shorts.

No Ive never shaved my arms or legs or armpits, I know I'm a guy and guys don't really shave especially in highschool. My friends even told that it would be weird if I shaved because guys don't do that......

Quote from: Brandon on January 28, 2014, 01:52:04 PM
No Ive never shaved my arms or legs or armpits, I know I'm a guy and guys don't really shave especially in highschool. My friends even told that it would be weird if I shaved because guys don't do that......

I know plenty of guys who shave their bodies and/or pluck their brows and yes they're straight cisguys.

Mr Hockey, my mother forced me as a child to shave because "Do you want the boys to laugh at you?!" but as soon as I got away from her, I let the natural hairiness have free reign. I'm happy to be quite hairy.

Quote from: Frank on January 28, 2014, 02:13:25 PM
I know plenty of guys who shave their bodies and/or pluck their brows and yes they're straight cisguys.

Mr Hockey, my mother forced me as a child to shave because "Do you want the boys to laugh at you?!" but as soon as I got away from her, I let the natural hairiness have free reign. I'm happy to be quite hairy.

Yeah, my mom always gets on me about shaving but I never do it. I'm fine with being hairy as well.

Mostly it's my arms and legs though. I don't have any armpit hair or chest hair. I've got a little bit of sideburns coming in. I'm sure once I go on T, I'll grow some more. :)

I never shaved but then again a vast majority of my body hair is blond so it was hard to see it anyway.

I'm friends with several other athletes of varying sports and its common to shave some body hair. My armpit hair is always shaved or cut very short as it helps with oder when sweating. During sporting events its not uncommon for athletes to not shower immediately and I may go several hours from my first event to when I finally am able to get a chance to shower. Guys that have a lot of hair on their chest, stomach or back tend to shave for hygienic reasons and some sports it actually is a benefit to doing so.

Most people have body hair, it's just a matter of how fine or coarse it is. Some cis girls and cis women are under the impression they're freakishly hairy and need to shave all over to "look normal", when their body hair is easily within normal range. It's kinda messed up.

I'm pre-T and almost all my body hair is fine, and I don't shave. It rarely came up anyway, since I don't wear shorts or sleeveless shirts.

I am pre everything and I actually never shaved before (except my upper lip because I hate facial hair) and don't intend to either but not because most guys don't shave either. To put it short, I put up with A LOT of teasing from people whenever I wore shorts.

Quote from: makipu on January 28, 2014, 03:15:03 PM
I am pre everything and I actually never shaved before (except my upper lip because I hate facial hair) and don't intend to either but not because most guys don't shave either. To put it short, I put up with A LOT of teasing from people whenever I wore shorts.

Since I'm still in the closet to most people, I get teased for wearing shorts too around my friends and family. They still know me as a girl and tell me I should shave because girls aren't supposed to be hairy.

Quote from: Frank on January 28, 2014, 02:13:25 PM
I know plenty of guys who shave their bodies and/or pluck their brows and yes they're straight cisguys.

Mr Hockey, my mother forced me as a child to shave because "Do you want the boys to laugh at you?!" but as soon as I got away from her, I let the natural hairiness have free reign. I'm happy to be quite hairy.

Hence why I said other guys don't really shave not none of them. All my straight guy friends don't shave it's just an example.

I used to shave my arms and legs when I was still trying to be a girl.  Now that's finally done with, I only shave my pits because I find it uncomfortable otherwise.  However, this past summer I didn't wear shorts because of that since I wasn't out and I wasn't willing to shave either. But really, I shoulda just gone ahead and worn shorts. I wouldn't think it odd to not shave pre-T or even pre-coming out. 

I normally just shave my armpits because when it gets a bit longer, it gets really uncomfortable and irritates me, it gets all prickly and chafes too. But, since I'm not out of the closet at the gym where I take krav maga and that's normally the only place my underarms are seen, shaving also helps reduce the risk of the guys there asking questions.

So far, I haven't had any hair grow under my arms. I have a little bit of psoriasis on my pits, which my mom has, and I'm wondering if that's the reason why.

I never heard of shaving arms when I was younger. I tried the  legs pits thing a few times. It wasn't worth my effort and never did that again.

When I was pre-everything, I used to shave when I was at school and even after I graduated.  I did it so that I wasn't seen as "gross" since I had no hope of passing back then.  Once I left school (and the workforce), I stopped shaving and didn't care what people thought.  Like you, I figured it helped me to pass better.

I get dark, course hairs on my chin and on my breasts. I'm not sure why and they're sparse, but they keep on coming in. It reminds me of when I started developing the beginning of a happy trail. After a few years, it's still just six or seven dark course hairs under my belly button that appear to have gotten lost and can't find their way down south. Don't know what's up with that, but I'm hoping it is a good sign for my beardly prospects whenever I start T.

I didn't grow a lot of body hair pre-T but I did shave it because my parents made a big deal about being presentable.  I kept shaving fairly regularly even after I left home for college and stuff but once I decided that I was unhappy as a girl I stopped shaving except for my face(shave your face even if you don't have facial hair, you don't want that peach fuzz that girls and kids have.)

If I grow chest hair I'll probably shave it.  I don't have the genetics for lots of hair so it won't be much to look at anyway.

I never shaved before (mostly because I'm lazy lol  :))

Quote from: Mr Hockey on January 28, 2014, 01:31:11 PM
When you were still pre everything or if you like me, are still pre-T... did or do you not shave your arms and legs? Did you grow body hair before going on testosterone?

I'm still in the closet for the most part, and I've never shaved my body hair. I don't know if it seems gross because I'm basically still 'female' but my arms and legs are pretty hairy and I like it that way. It helps me pass better as a guy when I wear short sleeved shirts and shorts.

I'm pre everything also and I don't shave. I used to shave my legs in my mid teens but mostly because I'm weird and I liked that prickly feeling when the hair starts to grow back lol but now that I'm 22 and looking into starting my physical transition I've stopped and let my hair grow.

Quote from: Brandon on January 28, 2014, 01:52:04 PM
No Ive never shaved my arms or legs or armpits, I know I'm a guy and guys don't really shave especially in highschool. My friends even told that it would be weird if I shaved because guys don't do that......

I don't know what friends you're talking to but I've never encountered a guy in my age group (16-21) that thought shaving body hair was weird. Most of the bio males I know shave their torsos. Many guys just don't like to be hairy, especially athletes, and to be honest the only place I really see this obsession with being as hairy as possible is in the ftm community.

Personally I've always shaved my armpits because I sweat like an animal and I don't need excess hair holding in that stink.

i've never shaved a single hair off my body, well, except the ones on my head. i made a vow to myself long before i knew i was actually a guy, that i won't shave any of my body hair. i sure thought girls looked nice with shaved arms and legs, groomed eyebrows, but i couldn't bring myself to do any of that. i wondered why. it was not because guys don't shave, but because shaving would add to the list of common features of me and girls which i completely hated

I don't shave, (except pits for sweating) and I don't really care what people think. I have seen people look at me strangly (i go swimming sometimes) but you know I don't think anyone should shave if they don't want to. I used to shave but I stopped because it's too much effort, not shaving helps me pass in shorts and I like it myself.

Quote from: timbuck2 on January 29, 2014, 02:41:20 AM
I don't know what friends you're talking to but I've never encountered a guy in my age group (16-21) that thought shaving body hair was weird. Most of the bio males I know shave their torsos. Many guys just don't like to be hairy, especially athletes, and to be honest the only place I really see this obsession with being as hairy as possible is in the ftm community.

Personally I've always shaved my armpits because I sweat like an animal and I don't need excess hair holding in that stink.

No you don't know my friends they don't shave and I meant legs and such or armpits, We all have hairy legs, And I'm not a big fan of being hairy either. And my female friends think its weird or not to be rude but gay to shave.

Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2014, 06:04:12 AM

No you don't know my friends they don't shave and I meant legs and such or armpits, We all have hairy legs, And I'm not a big fan of being hairy either. And my female friends think its weird or not to be rude but gay to shave.

Yes, many women find it odd that males shave their body. When you think about it though, they really can't complain. Women shave too, and they 'paint' their faces and nails before they go places. How weird is that?  :D

I know some guys that shave. Not every guy wants to be hairy.

Think it just depends on you and your personal preference, if you don't shave, ->-bleeped-<- good for you, if you shave, then ->-bleeped-<- good for you lol

A lot of guys are doing this new manscaping now, so just do whatever makes you happy

Quote from: YBtheOutlaw on January 29, 2014, 02:50:16 AM
i've never shaved a single hair off my body, well, except the ones on my head. i made a vow to myself long before i knew i was actually a guy, that i won't shave any of my body hair. i sure thought girls looked nice with shaved arms and legs, groomed eyebrows, but i couldn't bring myself to do any of that. i wondered why. it was not because guys don't shave, but because shaving would add to the list of common features of me and girls which i completely hated

That could be part of my reason. I never thought of it like that. I just figure I'm too lazy to shave so why do it.

Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2014, 06:04:12 AM

No you don't know my friends they don't shave and I meant legs and such or armpits, We all have hairy legs, And I'm not a big fan of being hairy either. And my female friends think its weird or not to be rude but gay to shave.

Thinking professional athletes are gay? (since many of us do shave body hair to some extent or another). Smfh

Quote from: overdrive on January 29, 2014, 11:31:09 AM
Thinking professional athletes are gay? (since many of us do shave body hair to some extent or another). Smfh

I don't personally subscribe to the stereotype that only gay men shave body hair, BUT, Brandon was stating that it is still a common view among people. My brothers and their friends think the same thing. Socially it might be more acceptable for a pro athlete to shave, but for the average Joe, it's still looked upon with suspicion. If someone wants to buck that trend, that's fine, but what Brandon says is true - that's how people see it.

Oh, and, I should answer - I didn't grow body hair pre-T because I didn't pass. One time I had someone yell to me "shave your legs fatty!" Lol. I just hated the attention so I kept them shaved. I didn't have much but every now and again. When I started passing, I stopped shaving - because I was aware that now, not having leg hair would be strange and would, again, draw unwanted attention to me. But that was just my personal comfort level. If you want to shave, don't want to shave, doesn't matter, you should do what makes you feel better about yourself.

Honestly as someone else here said, I think FTMs do obsess more about body hair and shaving than cis people do.  If you saw me on the street out of my sport I'm just an average joe too but never once do I get a funny look or comment. If you're feminine then yes I think its just another social queue that the general public is trying to work out if you are male, female, gay, straight, etc. If you present masculine people don't look twice on the street because their mind already made up that you're male so they don't subconsciously look for additional queues on your gender or orientation.

Also if you're insecure about it either way, people pick up on it. Decide what you want to do, have the confidence and sell it!

I shave my pits and trim the hairs on my downstairs mix-up for hygienic reasons purely. I prefer not letting the bacteria have my hair to hang on to so I can stink it up. I'm already a sweaty guy pre-T and I can stink up to the rafters (that's my opinion on it, though my husband assures me it's not the case), so I like keeping the chances of me being "that guy" you pass by at the store or get stuck behind in a line as low as possible. I've tried all sorts of different strength antiperspirants and deodorants. Even medical grade doesn't seem to stop it. Yeesh.

There are plenty of cis guys who shave their chest hair, I find that a lot of men who swear blindly that shaving anywhere makes you "less manly" are the type of macho guys who are very laddish and take themselves a bit too seriously, but that's just my opinion. I used to live with a pretty "alpha male" type of dude and he was very comfortable with himself, shaved his chest, groomed/shaved down below, and even keeps his eyebrows done a lot more than any girl I know which in it's own way was kind of refreshing, saying that though, he did love himself a lot :P nothing wrong with that though I guess.

I personally like to keep my eyebrows in check and see no problem with anyone doing so be it guy or girl, I'm pre T atm but my hair is dark and unibrows aren't attractive on anybody :P I also have the occasional trim (but not completely shave) downstairs, just for hygienic reasons, other than that I leave my arm hair and leg hair just as it is, as it is winter I don't have to uncover my legs and such to anyone who doesn't know about me, and hopefully by the time summer comes along I will be far enough into my transition and moved away from my current place for it to really matter who sees/knows or not.

I didn't shave for the first year or so of growing body hair, but I think the school told my parents that I was getting bullied for it -- which I was, but I had never seen the need to shave it, it didn't seem right -- and she made me start shaving.  I kept it up, badly, for a year or so, and then gradually stopped because I didn't see the point, and it was too much effort.  Since realising that I was trans at fifteen I have shaved only when I was in a situation where I was worried about people noticing and starting up the bullying again, pretty much only for rugby matches where I had to wear shorts.

The only thing I shave is my face, and I trim down below.

I think that leg shaving is a little bit "gay", but I know a couple of people who shaved their armpits and weren't thought of as gay.  I think its more a combination of someone's mannerisms as well, if someone's more feminine in their mannerisms then people will probably pick up on the shaving and decide to rib them as gay.  I know several people who also shave/wax their chests, and at least one swimmer who shaved their legs.  No one really thought that much of it.

Quote from: lxndr on January 29, 2014, 03:41:35 PM
I didn't shave for the first year or so of growing body hair, but I think the school told my parents that I was getting bullied for it -- which I was, but I had never seen the need to shave it, it didn't seem right -- and she made me start shaving.  I kept it up, badly, for a year or so, and then gradually stopped because I didn't see the point, and it was too much effort.  Since realising that I was trans at fifteen I have shaved only when I was in a situation where I was worried about people noticing and starting up the bullying again, pretty much only for rugby matches where I had to wear shorts.

The only thing I shave is my face, and I trim down below.

I think that leg shaving is a little bit "gay", but I know a couple of people who shaved their armpits and weren't thought of as gay.  I think its more a combination of someone's mannerisms as well, if someone's more feminine in their mannerisms then people will probably pick up on the shaving and decide to rib them as gay.  I know several people who also shave/wax their chests, and at least one swimmer who shaved their legs.  No one really thought that much of it.

Thats what I said, Only the leg shaving thing I feel is feminine or as Alex alittle gay. Not be disrespectful

Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2014, 03:48:09 PM


Thats what I said, Only the leg shaving thing I feel is feminine or as Alex alittle gay. Not be disrespectful

If you aren't trying to be disrespectful, you might not want to call guys "gay" that choose to do it for whatever their reasons are. Just saying  :-\

I think I need to step away from this thread because I'm getting a little annoyed at the references to calling guys gay just for shaving. Its as ignorant a comment as when people saying being trans means you're gay. IMO

Sure the human mind uses several queues to sort out a persons gender or orientation, and shaved legs may be one of those queues that the average person may use among a dozen other queues subconsciously. Shaving may show you as more feminine if you have other traits that combined also exhibit feminine characteristics. But the act of shaving itself, doesn't make a person "gay".

I apologise if my post came across as if I was calling guys "gay" for shaving, I put it in quotation marks to try and show that I didn't believe that point, or that I feel that people really mean to say that they're gay, it's just an unfortunate thing in our society, particularly with younger people, where everything deemed as effeminate gets labelled "gay".

Many people in my school and in my area use the word "gay" to call something stupid or something they don't like. "Oh, that's so gay" "That shirt is gay"

Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2014, 04:59:34 PM
I'm sorry if I came off as disrespectful, Was not trying to be. I realize alot of my views seem to offend people here. I don't really think guys should be feminine but I'm not knocking you for it. I was not brought up in a household were men shaving their legs or arms were ok. My mom won't even let me shave. Like I said I don't agree with judging. Normally when me and my friends say somethings gay we mean stupid not in a offensive way to homosexuals. I know homosexuals who say it to though......

Dude, that's not okay. You offend people here because you say offensive things: it's called "causality". People who shave aren't "gay", and using that word to describe things you think are stupid is immature and contributes to the negative view people have on homosexuals. I don't care if you know some homosexuals that use that term; I'm sure you would find some choice word offensive if a Caucasian used it even if they insisted they had friends of African descent who use it. Also, it makes no difference if guys are "feminine" as opposed to "masculine". These concepts are created purely by society and furthering the rigid and oft double standards of the gender binary does no one in the trans* community any favors, whether they identify as binary or non.

Quote from: Gene on January 29, 2014, 10:52:25 PM
Dude, that's not okay. You offend people here because you say offensive things: it's called "causality". People who shave aren't "gay", and using that word to describe things you think are stupid is immature and contributes to the negative view people have on homosexuals. I don't care if you know some homosexuals that use that term; I'm sure you would find some choice word offensive if a Caucasian used it even if they insisted they had friends of African descent who use it. Also, it makes no difference if guys are "feminine" as opposed to "masculine". These concepts are created purely by society and furthering the rigid and oft double standards of the gender binary does no one in the trans* community any favors, whether they identify as binary or non.

I'm not gonna argue but I really wasn't trying to be disrespectful. But You have your oppinion and I have mine. That's ok though. I already know I offend people. And no I wouldn't because black people use it freely anyways so I could care less if a caucasion called me the N word because I don't take that stuff to heart. And I didn't say I use the word gay to describe something stupid people around me do, Why take everything to heart, Not everything is meant to be rude. Know do I think some things should not be said yes.

Quote from: birkin on January 29, 2014, 12:17:20 PM
I don't personally subscribe to the stereotype that only gay men shave body hair, BUT, Brandon was stating that it is still a common view among people. My brothers and their friends think the same thing. Socially it might be more acceptable for a pro athlete to shave, but for the average Joe, it's still looked upon with suspicion. If someone wants to buck that trend, that's fine, but what Brandon says is true - that's how people see it.

Oh, and, I should answer - I didn't grow body hair pre-T because I didn't pass. One time I had someone yell to me "shave your legs fatty!" Lol. I just hated the attention so I kept them shaved. I didn't have much but every now and again. When I started passing, I stopped shaving - because I was aware that now, not having leg hair would be strange and would, again, draw unwanted attention to me. But that was just my personal comfort level. If you want to shave, don't want to shave, doesn't matter, you should do what makes you feel better about yourself.

ThankYou that was my only point.......

btw from your stories i get that girls are almost forced by the society to shave, which is not something i'm familiar with. things are different here. probably we asians generally have more body hair than westerners, so it is not weird for females to be hairy. actually majority of schoolgoers do not shave and even when you are older many stay unshaven. male or female, its your body and your hair, so why should anyone worry whether you shave it or not? the world really needs to grow up.

Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2014, 11:06:21 PM
I'm not gonna argue but I really wasn't trying to be disrespectful. But You have your oppinion and I have mine. That's ok though. I already know I offend people. And no I wouldn't because black people use it freely anyways so I could care less if a caucasion called me the N word because I don't take that stuff to heart. And I didn't say I use the word gay to describe something stupid people around me do, Why take everything to heart, Not everything is meant to be rude. Know do I think some things should not be said yes.

Allow me to quote your own words: "Normally when me and my friends say somethings gay we mean stupid not in a offensive way to homosexuals." You said directly that YOU and your friends use that word, not just that they use it. You do realize what you typed is still up for everyone to read what actually transpired, right? It's pretty hard to backpedal and try to say you didn't mean something when it's still showing IN PRINT that you said it. Nice try though. Points for effort.

Quote from: Gene on January 30, 2014, 08:52:11 PM
Allow me to quote your own words: "Normally when me and my friends say somethings gay we mean stupid not in a offensive way to homosexuals." You said directly that YOU and your friends use that word, not just that they use it. You do realize what you typed is still up for everyone to read what actually transpired, right? It's pretty hard to backpedal and try to say you didn't mean something when it's still showing IN PRINT that you said it. Nice try though. Points for effort.

I Really don't use the word gay, Yes I have used it but rarely do I use it, And why are you again still going on about it. Stop taking everything to heart. I already said sorry if I offended you. And I thought the definition of gay meant happy.

Like I said, Homosexuals use it themselves. That's exactly like me getting mad because a caucasion called me the N word, I sound dumb when I'm walking up to my friends saying what my blank, Of course a caucasion would use it and not see it as a problem because as an African American the meaning has been twisted and we use it freely just like the word gay has been tosed around. Case in point how am gonna tell a caucasion not to use it when I use freely and even refer to them as it. I can't get mad at that.... Just an example I don't do that.

Quote from: Brandon on January 30, 2014, 10:00:10 PM
I Really don't use the word gay, Yes I have used it but rarely do I use it, And why are you again still going on about it. Stop taking everything to heart. I already said sorry if I offended you. And I thought the definition of gay meant happy.

Yeah, see, I just re-read what you wrote and at no point did you apologize. You instead changed your story. First it was "my homosexual friends use it", then "I don't use it they do", then "I hardly use it and I said I was sorry". My goodness, you are still aware that we can go back and read what you wrote, right? It's still there (although you did delete that one comment in an attempt to cover yourself in an almost valiant effort, yet sadly it lives on in the quote from my post so it can still be read). You said some crappy things, and instead of acting like it's everyone else's problem, maybe it's time you sit back and think WHY it is you offend so many people. Maybe if you, oh I don't know, stopped saying offensive stuff you wouldn't have this problem. By the way, editing your last comment to try and make it seem like you meant "gay" as in happy is by far the saddest attempt to backtrack I've seen yet. Again, you are aware we can still read what you wrote and that what you wrote is contradictory to what you're trying to push now, right?

Quote from: Brandon on January 30, 2014, 10:05:54 PM
Like I said, Homosexuals use it themselves. That's exactly like me getting mad because a caucasion called me the N word, I sound dumb when I'm walking up to my friends saying what my blank, Of course a caucasion would use it and not see it as a problem because as an African American the meaning has been twisted and we use it freely just like the word gay has been tosed around. Case in point how am gonna tell a caucasion not to use it when I use freely and even refer to them as it. I can't get mad at that.... Just an example I don't do that.

Your terrible excuses continue their downward spiral. I don't buy it. Time to grow up and own up, dude.

Quote from: Gene on January 30, 2014, 10:12:11 PM
Yeah, see, I just re-read what you wrote and at no point did you apologize. You instead changed your story. First it was "my homosexual friends use it", then "I don't use it they do", then "I hardly use it and I said I was sorry". My goodness, you are still aware that we can go back and read what you wrote, right? It's still there (although you did delete that one comment in an attempt to cover yourself in an almost valiant effort, yet sadly it lives on in the quote from my post so it can still be read). You said some crappy things, and instead of acting like it's everyone else's problem, maybe it's time you sit back and think WHY it is you offend so many people. Maybe if you, oh I don't know, stopped saying offensive stuff you wouldn't have this problem. By the way, editing your last comment to try and make it seem like you meant "gay" as in happy is by far the saddest attempt to backtrack I've seen yet. Again, you are aware we can still read what you wrote and that what you wrote is contradictory to what you're trying to push now, right?

Wrong I deleted it because I didn't want everyone else to get offended and yes that is the real meaning.

Quote from: Gene on January 30, 2014, 10:15:47 PM
Your terrible excuses continue their downward spiral. I don't buy it. Time to grow up and own up, dude.

No your just not listening to what I'm saying. If you actually read what said you would see it made since.

Again how are you gonna tell someone not to use a word because its offensive to your own kind but you can use it freely. Exactly what I said about the race thing. Again how dumb would I be to say that a white person couldn't use the N word but I can freely use it and use to refer to them. Of course that person is gonna use it. That's why as I already stated I don't get offended anymore.

Or even a better example some of my female friends use the B word and even call themselves that, But when a dude calls them the B word there ready to fight, How can you call your own self that but let someones else say it and get mad makes no since. Take how you want but I can be very blunt I do not sugar coat that's just me, Would I ever intentionally hurt someone no or offend me no, But alot of you guys misunderstand me and the first thing you do is look at my rep and say oh he must be really disrespectful or amd Ass at that, But you forget everypne was raised a certain way and my background is not the same as yours, i was taught different things some good some bad oh well.

Quote from: Brandon on January 30, 2014, 10:22:09 PM
Again how are you gonna tell someone not to use a word because its offensive to your own kind but you can use it freely. Exactly what I said about the race thing. Again how dumb would I be to say that a white person couldn't use the N word but I can freely use it and use to refer to them. Of course that person is gonna use it. That's why as I already stated I don't get offended anymore.

See, you would have a point if I did in fact use the word "gay" to describe things I thought were stupid. But I haven't and I don't. Your point is moot and weak at best. It is the common trait of those who are wrong but do not want to admit it to blindly grasp at straws. I don't use the word "gay" to call things dumb and I tell people I hear doing it that that's not okay, just like with the N word and B word, and whatever other word is out there to disparage a group of people. Good try though-well, no, it wasn't a good try. It was abysmal.

Quote from: Brandon on January 30, 2014, 10:38:14 PM
Or even a better example some of my female friends use the B word and even call themselves that, But when a dude calls them the B word there ready to fight, How can you call your own self that but let someones else say it and get mad makes no since. Take how you want but I can be very blunt I do not sugar coat that's just me, Would I ever intentionally hurt someone no or offend me no, But alot of you guys misunderstand me and the first thing you do is look at my rep and say oh he must be really disrespectful or amd Ass at that, But you forget everypne was raised a certain way and my background is not the same as yours, i was taught different things some good some bad oh well.

I didn't look at your rep: I looked at your posts and behavior. I let people's actions speak for them, not some ranking system on a website. Stop playing the victim; it's just sad and transparent. Anyway, I'm done trying to reason with you. You lie and back pedal, piling contradiction on top of contradiction in a vain attempt to be the one in the right when you are clearly wrong for disparaging a group of people because you couldn't be bothered to come up with a better synonym for something you find "stupid". You have no points so you invent them, thrust words into people's mouths, act like you already apologized when you didn't, and you play like everyone else has a problem instead of you. Nurture is no excuse for poor manners and blatant disrespect under the guise of "not sugar coating things". I'm not interested in continuing this pointless discussion until you've done some maturing. Goodbye, young'un.

Quote from: Gene on January 30, 2014, 10:46:20 PM
See, you would have a point if I did in fact use the word "gay" to describe things I thought were stupid. But I haven't and I don't. Your point is moot and weak at best. It is the common trait of those who are wrong but do not want to admit it to blindly grasp at straws. I don't use the word "gay" to call things dumb and I tell people I hear doing it that that's not okay, just like with the N word and B word, and whatever other word is out there to disparage a group of people. Good try though-well, no, it wasn't a good try. It was abysmal.

I waa not refering to you I was refering to people in general. That's not a week argument you just choose not to listen because your to offended by what I said to actually think about, Like I said I'm sorry if I offended you but it's life, And I'm not gonna sit up here like a 2 year old. Your acting like a kid because your bringing it back up. Just drop. P.S my arguement wasn't weak and I guareentee if asked people how they felt they would agree.