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Title: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Rena on January 29, 2014, 07:55:04 PM
Where do you think is the best place in the world for a transgender person to live? By this I mean by how much legal rights you have, how much social discrimination you would have etc?

Edit: I'll add this link to anyone interested in reading a summary about  LGBT laws in other countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#cite_note-177 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#cite_note-177)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jill F on January 29, 2014, 08:16:39 PM
I live in Los Angeles.   California is definitely one of the better places to live as far as LGBT rights go, and L.A. has lots of options for trans* care.

So, I'm going with Los Angeles, Califonia.  That is my completely unbiased opinion.  :D
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MadeleineG on January 29, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that Vancouver is high on the list. Super-$$$, though.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.telegraph.co.uk%2Fmultimedia%2Farchive%2F01563%2Fvancouver-skyline_1563516c.jpg&hash=01ab294f167b871300987569e08eb13b732187c1)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ana on January 29, 2014, 08:37:19 PM
Well being Canadian, I say Vancouver. It is a beautiful city and sooo Trans* friendly.
:)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Rena on January 29, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: ana on January 29, 2014, 08:37:19 PM
Well being Canadian, I say Vancouver. It is a beautiful city and sooo Trans* friendly.
:)

How would Vancouver compare to Ontario?

What is it about Vancouver exactly? I actually don't know anything about Vancouver even though I'm Canadian.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: TaoRaven on January 29, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Believe it or not, Colorado is pretty damn amazing :) We are protected from workplace discrimination, there are informed consent providers, gender therapists and support groups for those who need / want them, and the place is quite beautiful to boot.

Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: peky on January 29, 2014, 09:16:08 PM
Quote from: TaoRaven on January 29, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Believe it or not, Colorado is pretty damn amazing :) We are protected from workplace discrimination, there are informed consent providers, gender therapists and support groups for those who need / want them, and the place is quite beautiful to boot.

and you can enjoy a "Rocky Mountain High" with impunity and no fear...LOL
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Rena on January 29, 2014, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: TaoRaven on January 29, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
Believe it or not, Colorado is pretty damn amazing :) We are protected from workplace discrimination, there are informed consent providers, gender therapists and support groups for those who need / want them, and the place is quite beautiful to boot.

How good compared to this?

http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/gender-identity-and-gender-expression-brochure
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MadeleineG on January 29, 2014, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: Rena on January 29, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
How would Vancouver compare to Ontario?

What is it about Vancouver exactly? I actually don't know anything about Vancouver even though I'm Canadian.

Van has a very proactive, well-publicized trans-health initiative and, from what I can tell, a pretty laid back and accepting vibe. To say nothing of the mild climate, mountains, hiking, and ocean.

FWIW, though, Ontario is the only province that will adjust a birth cert without SRS.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ThePhoenix on January 29, 2014, 10:13:06 PM
Some would nominate Argentina as the best place to be, at least for the most favorable laws concerning trans* people.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Catherine Sarah on January 29, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
Hi Rena,
In answer to your question, right where you live now. No better place. You know it like the back of your hand.

No! In all seriousness (if I can ever be  ;D) nowhere better than Australia. We even have a national railway. The Trans Australian Railway. It goes from Sydney to Perth.

No truly, we've lost the plot so much over here, if you say to someone you're Trans, they say, "Yeah mate, I've crossed the Nullabor too. So what!"

Huggs
Catherine
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Rachel85 on January 29, 2014, 11:07:46 PM
In my short experience the biggest difference I have found is the availability of services from one area/city to another, whether it is social, medical, support etc.

That being said I there are places I couldn't see myself transitioning in more so than places I would prefer to live. I also happen to be living in Sydney which also happens to have the biggest population in Australia and also arguably the most diversity (although maybe not exactly where I am living now! :( ), so maybe I'm just lucky. :)

In fact after reading many posts from around the globe I would say that we Aussies are doing alright. We have laws, good healthcare and other than the ignorant redneck types (which I'm sure are everywhere anyway) most people I've come across are pretty alright.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jenny07 on January 30, 2014, 04:59:41 AM
Definitely Sydney

Our health care is not archaic and help is readily available to all even without insurance. HRT is not impossible to get like it seems in other places. I got it in less than 5 weeks.
We have a reasonably tolerant city with a large comunity. 

While we don't have Cindy here, thank god for that, yes I will burn later, there are quite a few here at Susan's from Sydney.
No Gwynne not Sydney Nova Scotia. ;D

J
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Ms Grace on January 30, 2014, 05:20:56 AM
Another vote for Sydney, not that I'm biased or anything!!
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Joan on January 30, 2014, 06:20:49 AM
Japan isn't bad.

There is first rate healthcare at affordable prices, a history of acceptance of cross gender roles and high profile transsexuals in popular cultura and entertainment. All of these things lead to general tolerance of transgender people.

On top of that you've got almost no chance of meeting with violence for being transgender. I'm glad that I'm transitioning here rather than in the UK.

Australia sounds pretty good too though :)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: FalseHybridPrincess on January 30, 2014, 06:38:40 AM
The best place eh? not Greece !

anyway Id love it If I was in japan too ,,,lol



Quote from: BLZA on January 30, 2014, 05:31:16 AM

Me and a friend discussed once before how much more passable we could sound with an American accent - and how Americans have less of an ability to interpret
gender from an Australian accent. So, perhaps the best place to live is somewhere where there's a culture gap to make you harder to interpret.

That actually might be very true...
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ana on January 30, 2014, 07:06:18 AM
QuoteHow would Vancouver compare to Ontario?
What is it about Vancouver exactly? I actually don't know anything about Vancouver even though I'm Canadian.

I live in Ontario too and its wonderful here, but having travelled to Vancouver many times, for me it has the slight edge with more moderate weather, close to the beautiful Rockies, also gorgeous ocean coastline. The people seem more laid back. The only drawback is that it is so expensive to live.


Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Rena on January 30, 2014, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: Joan on January 30, 2014, 06:20:49 AM
Japan isn't bad.

There is first rate healthcare at affordable prices, a history of acceptance of cross gender roles and high profile transsexuals in popular cultura and entertainment. All of these things lead to general tolerance of transgender people.

On top of that you've got almost no chance of meeting with violence for being transgender. I'm glad that I'm transitioning here rather than in the UK.

Australia sounds pretty good too though :)

In Japan are you legally protected from discrimination or violence if it does happen? If so is it only after you are legally recognized as your gender(which requires SRS)?
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: oh hai! on January 30, 2014, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: Rena on January 29, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
How would Vancouver compare to Ontario?

What is it about Vancouver exactly? I actually don't know anything about Vancouver even though I'm Canadian.

Vancouver is awesome for trans people, Vancouver Coastal Health is a leader in trans health and a voice in developing the standards of care. Ontario has progressive legislation but you have to deal with CAMH which by all accounts is a gate keeping hellhole.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MadeleineG on January 30, 2014, 12:25:20 PM
Quote from: Jenny07 on January 30, 2014, 04:59:41 AM
No Gwynne not Sydney Nova Scotia. ;D

What's wrong with the Sydney tar ponds?

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.merelyastrand.com%2Fuploads%2F4%2F1%2F1%2F8%2F4118723%2F2821681_orig.jpeg&hash=88f80adbe8662ba58351bde81bc8beecd45886cc)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: amZo on January 30, 2014, 12:33:59 PM
I'm going to go with Venice, CA... final answer.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MugwortPsychonaut on January 30, 2014, 01:34:08 PM
Utah!

Oh, wait. You asked about the best place for trans people, not the most ass-backwards place on the planet. Never mind.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: amZo on January 30, 2014, 04:32:52 PM
Quote from: MugwortPsychonaut on January 30, 2014, 01:34:08 PM
Utah!

Oh, wait. You asked about the best place for trans people, not the most ass-backwards place on the planet. Never mind.

Sounds like you have a personal story to share?  ;)

:icon_ihearu: :icon_ihearu: :icon_ihearu:  (we're all ears)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: DEANA on January 30, 2014, 04:47:29 PM
Ontario Canada
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: amZo on January 30, 2014, 04:54:06 PM
Quote from: DEANA on January 30, 2014, 04:47:29 PM
Ontario Canada

But Toronto Canada has a much better mayor!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zv9A9K4YcHI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zv9A9K4YcHI)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MugwortPsychonaut on January 30, 2014, 09:12:47 PM
Quote from: Nikko on January 30, 2014, 04:32:52 PM
Sounds like you have a personal story to share?  ;)

:icon_ihearu: :icon_ihearu: :icon_ihearu:  (we're all ears)

Actually, I've never been to Utah, but I do read Jezebel. And on most days, there's another story of horrible things coming out of Utah.

I do have a story about being a punk rocker in Mississippi. I'll never go there again, especially not now! Ha!
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jill F on January 30, 2014, 09:29:53 PM
My house.   ;D

I make happy things in kitchen for you. 

I have tiki bar. (Seriously, I have a tiki bar!)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jennygirl on January 30, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
Los Angeles! I can't imagine transitioning anywhere else!
Title: Re: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jennygirl on January 30, 2014, 10:15:26 PM
Quote from: Jill F on January 30, 2014, 09:29:53 PM
My house.   ;D

I make happy things in kitchen for you. 

I have tiki bar. (Seriously, I have a tiki bar!)

Jill I'm coming over!!
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Cindy on January 30, 2014, 11:10:51 PM
Quote from: Jenny07 on January 30, 2014, 04:59:41 AM


While we don't have Cindy here, thank god for that, yes I will burn later, there are quite a few here at Susan's from Sydney.
No Gwynne not Sydney Nova Scotia. ;D

J

You are so lucky we have a total fireban today!
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jenny07 on January 31, 2014, 01:34:27 AM
Nothing escapes your eagle eye. :o
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Cindy on January 31, 2014, 01:46:56 AM
Quote from: Jenny07 on January 31, 2014, 01:34:27 AM
Nothing escapes your eagle eye. :o

I have a naughty Aussie alarm, it keeps going off :laugh:
Title: Re: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jill F on January 31, 2014, 03:28:51 AM
Quote from: Jennygirl on January 30, 2014, 10:15:26 PM
Jill I'm coming over!!

Go for it!  I'm serious.  You'd probably really appreciate my living room as well. 

Mai Tais on the Lanai and pizza from scratch in Studio City, anyone?  There are amazing hiking trails almost in my backyard here as well. 
 
Title: Re: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jennygirl on January 31, 2014, 04:21:21 AM
Quote from: Jill F on January 31, 2014, 03:28:51 AM
Go for it!  I'm serious.  You'd probably really appreciate my living room as well. 

Mai Tais on the Lanai and pizza from scratch in Studio City, anyone?  There are amazing hiking trails almost in my backyard here as well. 


That's it, now I'm really coming over. Ha! :)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Mr.X on January 31, 2014, 04:34:12 AM
I would say the Netherlands are pretty good.
Dutchies are quite open minded when it comes to gay and transsexual people. Sure, you got anti-lgtb bigots everywhere, but most of them are pretty laid back and accepting. The fact amsterdam is flooded with hundreds of thousands of people during the gay parade is a sign of this.

Also, free health care. I don't have to pay for my transition. And we have two specialized genderteams that offer the full deal. So they include the therapist talks, the endocrinologist and surgeries. All in, and paid for. The downside is that you can't move as fast as when you paid for it yourself. So there's a few months of waiting in between stages.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MugwortPsychonaut on January 31, 2014, 01:32:48 PM
Quote from: Mr.X on January 31, 2014, 04:34:12 AM
The downside is that you can't move as fast as when you paid for it yourself. So there's a few months of waiting in between stages.

That's good! I think it's way better to tread slowly.

Also, this should totally be your avatar.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.static.ovimg.com%2Fepisode%2F55706.jpg&hash=924f7bd0fb7484dc747d8054bb38af785de62b74)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Lara1969 on January 31, 2014, 04:20:44 PM
Berlin, Germany is pretty nice for me AS transgirl. It is really easy to get hormones and the legal gender change and almost as all the time I am not interesting enough to take a second look at me. Maybe it helps to have a gay mayor and a female defense minister which is still not so common worldwide.

Lara
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: HenryHall on February 01, 2014, 10:36:56 AM
Quote from: Ahn A. Sabbatical on January 30, 2014, 04:54:06 PM
But Toronto Canada has a much better mayor!
Toronto.
Land of Zucker and Blanchard.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: amZo on February 01, 2014, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: Jill F on January 30, 2014, 09:29:53 PM
My house.   ;D

I make happy things in kitchen for you. 

I have tiki bar. (Seriously, I have a tiki bar!)

I think everyone should have one! Very cool.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Sydney_NYC on February 02, 2014, 09:23:33 AM
Northern New Jersey and Manhattan is a good place to be Transgender as the entire state of NJ and NYC have Transgender rights and protection. With a very diverse population people are much more accepting here. Also there are so many resources in the area that cater to the LGBTQ community. Unfortunately it's not a cheap place to live, there are smelly parts in NJ (there are nice areas believe or not) and the winters are not that great. However, there are a lot of opportunities here. Interesting note, that nearly everything transitioning related (HRT, electrolysis, laser) service is cheaper in NYC than it is in NJ.
Title: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ErinM on February 02, 2014, 12:01:36 PM

Quote from: HenryHall on February 01, 2014, 10:36:56 AM
Toronto.
Land of Zucker and Blanchard.

I would never mover there until I'm post-op.

I haven't had any problems in Calgary. 99% of the time people haven't had a problem and are respectful. While we lag behind Ontario in legislation such as specify protections or being able to change your birth certificate without surgery, the official physiatrists that sign off on everything are really good. No gatekeeping, no BS, just helping you get what you need.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MacG on February 02, 2014, 12:16:09 PM
I'm going to have to put a vote in for Portland, Oregon. Lots and lots of cool people, annnnnd its largest employer (OHSU) has specifically added trans-related care to its employee health insurance.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ClaudiaLove on February 02, 2014, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: Catherine Sarah on January 29, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
Hi Rena,
In answer to your question, right where you live now. No better place. You know it like the back of your hand.

No! In all seriousness (if I can ever be  ;D) nowhere better than Australia. We even have a national railway. The Trans Australian Railway. It goes from Sydney to Perth.

No truly, we've lost the plot so much over here, if you say to someone you're Trans, they say, "Yeah mate, I've crossed the Nullabor too. So what!"

Huggs
Catherine

Australia sounds great , I always liked it .
I want to relocate , or to 'locate' as I never had a place just for me , so I try to find the best option
I always wanted to move in Brazil , from what I heard it is one of the most LGBTQI  friendly countries , I also like the latin people .
I even tried to learn Portuguese , and even I stopped it lately , I will resume my daily training .
But I wonder how is it financially in Brazil , I mean for the average person , because I grew in a poor country and I know it is very difficult for the most of the people , being transsexual is even harder.


I have the same concern with Columbia , Argentina  , Thailand , Philippines , as even that they are known for transsexual people , I don't know how easy it is to live there .
Canada would be a choice , but I guess it is a little cold there , I got to hate winters , the weather is really important to me .
Even in Europe , The UK and Ireland , The Netherlands , Belgium , Germany ,Denmark , Sweden are good countries to live in , but their weather , cold , cloudy and rainy affects my mood .

I would love to here some opinions from people  who live in Brazil or Australia , about facts , how easy would be to start a life there .
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Natkat on February 02, 2014, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: Claudia_FF on February 02, 2014, 02:11:38 PM
Australia sounds great , I always liked it .
I want to relocate , or to 'locate' as I never had a place just for me , so I try to find the best option
I always wanted to move in Brazil , from what I heard it is one of the most LGBTQI  friendly countries , I also like the latin people .
I even tried to learn Portuguese , and even I stopped it lately , I will resume my daily training .
But I wonder how is it financially in Brazil , I mean for the average person , because I grew in a poor country and I know it is very difficult for the most of the people , being transsexual is even harder.


I have the same concern with Columbia , Argentina  , Thailand , Philippines , as even that they are known for transsexual people , I don't know how easy it is to live there .
Canada would be a choice , but I guess it is a little cold there , I got to hate winters , the weather is really important to me .
Even in Europe , The UK and Ireland , The Netherlands , Belgium , Germany ,Denmark , Sweden are good countries to live in , but their weather , cold , cloudy and rainy affects my mood .

I would love to here some opinions from people  who live in Brazil or Australia , about facts , how easy would be to start a life there .
I'm not sure how to rate Brazil there neither the worst nor the best I guess I will say, I don't know if I could live there cause it seams so hot, but I want to go one day =)
Argentina is rated as one of the best country for transgender together with spain and German, these rates are based on the Laws in there country I do not know of the acceptance, well beside Berlin who is pretty wellknowed for the queer subculture thing.
Denmark is a bad country to live when you are transgender, Sweden is better, also since they got rid of the sterilization law.
I think you would fit in pretty well, everyone get infected by the Cold cloudy rainy weather. but Theres umbrella and sunset lamps to cure the depression LOL..
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to the question whats the best country I think I already gave some suggestions, however what the best country for transgender also depends on in which state you are and for diffrent fact.
are you binary? or nonbinary? or how far are you/ do you want to go in your transition.
Theres many kinds of countrys who can be accepting of "one certain kind of transgender" but unaccepting of another kind.

I still somehow think Berlin would be the ultimate place to be trans/queer, I have many queer friends who like to go there or moved there.










Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ClaudiaLove on February 02, 2014, 05:10:00 PM
Quote from: Natkat on February 02, 2014, 04:37:16 PM
I'm not sure how to rate Brazil there neither the worst nor the best I guess I will say, I don't know if I could live there cause it seams so hot, but I want to go one day =)
Argentina is rated as one of the best country for transgender together with spain and German, these rates are based on the Laws in there country I do not know of the acceptance, well beside Berlin who is pretty wellknowed for the queer subculture thing.
Denmark is a bad country to live when you are transgender, Sweden is better, also since they got rid of the sterilization law.
I think you would fit in pretty well, everyone get infected by the Cold cloudy rainy weather. but Theres umbrella and sunset lamps to cure the depression LOL..
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to the question whats the best country I think I already gave some suggestions, however what the best country for transgender also depends on in which state you are and for diffrent fact.
are you binary? or nonbinary? or how far are you/ do you want to go in your transition.
Theres many kinds of countrys who can be accepting of "one certain kind of transgender" but unaccepting of another kind.

I still somehow think Berlin would be the ultimate place to be trans/queer, I have many queer friends who like to go there or moved there.

Hi , thanks for your answer ,

I 've been thru Germany only as part of my job , so although I did meet many people in different social situations , I couldn't say how I would be accepted as a trans .The opinion I was raised with and (maybe Influenced by it) I observe it myself is that the german people is a little 'cold' , not so friendly or open to new people , I don't know inside their families/groups but for sure they are reluctant in accepting new people . Especially if they would find out that I am east European  ;D
Basically most of the trans girls I know in my country went to Germany and they seem to do it ok, but also they work as escorts , so I don't know how a 'normal' life would be for trans.
In a way I am not concerned about laws , they don't mean so much for me right now . It won't make me happy having a girl Passport while people would still look weird at me . That would be the case in Romania , where no matter how the laws would change , the people just aren't capable of understanding  .

I don't know what to say about myself , I still have not doubts but concerns and worries . I definitely want to go fully thru transition , although SRS is optional , it doesn't bother me having a penis . I wrote some topics where I present some of my struggles , but anyway , no matter what , living as a 'man' is not an option for a happy life , neither is part time man/woman . For the moment I don't pass as a woman , but I started hrt and I am trying to improve myself at many levels , especially the style .I got ths idea that I might not be a female because my digit ration don't show that , so that my lack of style would be from not having a female brain , that messed me up , but I still feel a female inside and I just hope that the science is wrong .
Anyway ,  until I will get a place for me and live fully as a woman , it is difficult as I feel the pressure to act/speak /behave like a man . It is mixed with my looks who are masculine and my job (from which I quitted ), also a typical masculine one . Beside I am very very sensitive , so I get embarrassed vey easy .
I really need to go in some LGBT  clubs , to loosen a little , to start feeling comfortable about it . Basically I didn't come out but I don't have in front of whom anyway . I have no interest In discussing this with my parent , as I already know their opinion ,and I have no friends in my 'real' life .
I guess I could make my peace with Berlin , but knowing someone there or wherever I will be settling is very important , because on my own I don't think I could make it , it would be very embarrassing so probably I will just 'act' like a boy , and my life will still be unfulfilled .   

Thanks for your suggestions
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Hikari on February 02, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
Quote from: Claudia_FF on February 02, 2014, 02:11:38 PM

But I wonder how is it financially in Brazil , I mean for the average person , because I grew in a poor country and I know it is very difficult for the most of the people , being transsexual is even harder.


Interestingly enough, I was at Pentagon City (A part of Arlington, VA, USA close to the Pentagon near Washington, DC) in the Apple Store, and by chance I talked with some rather wealthy Brazilians, and they told me they had come to the US to shop. This seemed bizarre to me, and they explained that the way tariffs worked it was cheaper for them to fly to the US, buy electronics and fly back, and pay a small fee to customs rather than buy it in Brazil. From the conversation I got the feeling that middle class and upper class people from Brazil were pretty progressive in their outlooks but, that for the poor things were quite bad. I also got the impression that owning Apple products was a status symbol for this couple, which  seems a bit strange to me (after all my iPhone was free from Verizon Wireless) but, that might just be a bit of cultural differences, not financial.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: patstar on February 02, 2014, 06:48:21 PM
I recall hearing that San Diego was rather nice?  I'm also looking (to relocate) for a nice climate.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Rena on February 02, 2014, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: Jennygirl on January 30, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
Los Angeles! I can't imagine transitioning anywhere else!

Why is that?
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ana on February 02, 2014, 07:47:32 PM
QuoteToronto. Land of Zucker and Blanchard.
...and Ford...and CAMH

now I'm depressed.  :(   Time to move out west. :)

Actually its been great so far, but time will tell just how draconian the system is here. My Therapist works with CAMH and she is wonderfully supportive and encouraging actually. Blanchard put a black mark on Toronto, but on the bright side some of the institutions like Sherbourne Health Centre seem to fill the needs that might be missing in CAMH.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MadeleineG on February 03, 2014, 12:19:50 PM
Quote from: ana on February 02, 2014, 07:47:32 PM
...and Ford...and CAMH

now I'm depressed.  :(   Time to move out west. :)

Actually its been great so far, but time will tell just how draconian the system is here. My Therapist works with CAMH and she is wonderfully supportive and encouraging actually. Blanchard put a black mark on Toronto, but on the bright side some of the institutions like Sherbourne Health Centre seem to fill the needs that might be missing in CAMH.

Make sure to keep moving west when you pass through Saskatchewan. Complete wasteland service-wise.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Anatta on February 03, 2014, 01:59:33 PM
KIa Ora,

Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?


::) Right here ! Right now!

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: GendrKweer on February 03, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Maybe it's just that I'm here right now, but New Orleans is amazingly welcoming for queer/gay/lesbian/transgender people of all sorts. I adore it here more than I can say, which is why I always come back in the winter.... :D
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Anatta on February 03, 2014, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: GendrKweer on February 03, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Maybe it's just that I'm here right now, but New Orleans is amazingly welcoming for queer/gay/lesbian/transgender people of all sorts. I adore it here more than I can say, which is why I always come back in the winter.... :D

Kia Ora GendrKweer,

::) If I had to leave paradise (the wonderful wacky tiny island in the pacific where I just so happen to find my self living) and had to move to the US, I would live in NO...

Metta Zenda :)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Natkat on February 04, 2014, 05:55:12 AM
Quote from: Claudia_FF on February 02, 2014, 05:10:00 PM
Hi , thanks for your answer ,

I 've been thru Germany only as part of my job , so although I did meet many people in different social situations , I couldn't say how I would be accepted as a trans .The opinion I was raised with and (maybe Influenced by it) I observe it myself is that the german people is a little 'cold' , not so friendly or open to new people , I don't know inside their families/groups but for sure they are reluctant in accepting new people . Especially if they would find out that I am east European  ;D
Basically most of the trans girls I know in my country went to Germany and they seem to do it ok, but also they work as escorts , so I don't know how a 'normal' life would be for trans.
In a way I am not concerned about laws , they don't mean so much for me right now . It won't make me happy having a girl Passport while people would still look weird at me . That would be the case in Romania , where no matter how the laws would change , the people just aren't capable of understanding  .

I don't know what to say about myself , I still have not doubts but concerns and worries . I definitely want to go fully thru transition , although SRS is optional , it doesn't bother me having a penis . I wrote some topics where I present some of my struggles , but anyway , no matter what , living as a 'man' is not an option for a happy life , neither is part time man/woman . For the moment I don't pass as a woman , but I started hrt and I am trying to improve myself at many levels , especially the style .I got ths idea that I might not be a female because my digit ration don't show that , so that my lack of style would be from not having a female brain , that messed me up , but I still feel a female inside and I just hope that the science is wrong .
Anyway ,  until I will get a place for me and live fully as a woman , it is difficult as I feel the pressure to act/speak /behave like a man . It is mixed with my looks who are masculine and my job (from which I quitted ), also a typical masculine one . Beside I am very very sensitive , so I get embarrassed vey easy .
I really need to go in some LGBT  clubs , to loosen a little , to start feeling comfortable about it . Basically I didn't come out but I don't have in front of whom anyway . I have no interest In discussing this with my parent , as I already know their opinion ,and I have no friends in my 'real' life .
I guess I could make my peace with Berlin , but knowing someone there or wherever I will be settling is very important , because on my own I don't think I could make it , it would be very embarrassing so probably I will just 'act' like a boy , and my life will still be unfulfilled .   

Thanks for your suggestions
Yeah I understand. I also think it best going somewhere for a period before deciding whenever you want to live there or not, as you mention one thing is the law which by the statestic decide whenever it's a good or a bad country to be trans, But peoples opinions and the way the law are put into action gives a more clear idea how suportive it is. I think it a good idea to have a friend where you want to go, I would also prefern that for sure. 
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I been to Germany twice so far but unfurtunatly I haven't got to see so much =( . I guess many country can have a pretty cold attitude, special if you are from romania unfurtunatly :-\ but I bet it's also a cultural thing. I can't speak for sure on the germans cause I only have a few german friends and been a few places, but I guess there abit like the scandinavian who also has the rumour to be alittle cold in the attitude somethimes.
it's not that they really are cold or unfriendly, but you have to be in some kind of friendzone for them to feel safe, and they won't consider you there very best friend from the first time they meet you, you generally need to give them time.
They dont use big words or fellings about themself and theyre not likely to do it around others unless they know the person very well and really mean it. if you are too friendly too quick you can easy creep them out and make them feel unconfortable.
I don't know about of the culture in Romania but I know a couple of people having problems with this, there from country where people are having a more dirrect and warm spirit.










Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Natkat on February 04, 2014, 06:00:22 AM
Quote from: Claudia_FF on February 02, 2014, 02:11:38 PM
But I wonder how is it financially in Brazil , I mean for the average person , because I grew in a poor country and I know it is very difficult for the most of the people , being transsexual is even harder.
I could figure out, i'm currently doing some Danish/brazil exchange on the information of transgender rights and such. =) He have told me many things before but I easly forget.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: patstar on February 07, 2014, 08:10:02 PM
Quote from: ana on February 02, 2014, 07:47:32 PM

"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.... Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."


Oh Amen, Ana, Amen!  Don't live anyone's vision but your own!
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ana on February 08, 2014, 07:16:56 AM
QuotePatrice wrote:
Oh Amen, Ana, Amen!  Don't live anyone's vision but your own!

Thank you Patrice, it really doesn't matter where you live, its the best place to be, so long as you can live by those words.  :)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ClaudiaLove on February 08, 2014, 07:25:43 AM
Quote from: Hikari on February 02, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
I also got the impression that owning Apple products was a status symbol for this couple, which  seems a bit strange to me (after all my iPhone was free from Verizon Wireless) but, that might just be a bit of cultural differences, not financial.

Maybe it is like in Romania , where most of the rich people are not that rich , just showing off whatever they have , trying to be bling. For example cars , they are more 'luxury' cars in Romania than in most of the Europe I think , but excepting the ones of the billionaires , the rest are either second hand from western Europe or even stolen .
Also in Romania , although they are not as rare as before , the best smartphones or tablets are still something many people are  proud with , not just regular tools  :)
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: K Style Addiction on February 09, 2014, 12:48:31 AM
I live in San Francisco, things have been good here i would highly recommend but with a warning, this is a VERY expensive city.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Cindy on February 09, 2014, 12:51:22 AM
Adelaide, mean to say, where else!
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jamie D on February 09, 2014, 12:53:02 AM
Quote from: Donna Troy on February 09, 2014, 12:48:31 AM
I live in San Francisco, things have been good here i would highly recommend but with a warning, this is a VERY expensive city.

Did you ever make it over to Ghirardelli Square?

Quote from: Claudia_FF on February 08, 2014, 07:25:43 AM
Maybe it is like in Romania , where most of the rich people are not that rich , just showing off whatever they have , trying to be bling. For example cars , they are more 'luxury' cars in Romania than in most of the Europe I think , but excepting the ones of the billionaires , the rest are either second hand from western Europe or even stolen .
Also in Romania , although they are not as rare as before , the best smartphones or tablets are still something many people are  proud with , not just regular tools  :)

Oooo, Romania.  I would love to visit Romania some day!  :)

The closest I ever got was Istanbul.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jill F on February 09, 2014, 12:59:59 AM
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on February 09, 2014, 12:53:02 AM
Did you ever make it over to Ghirardelli Square?

Oooo, Romania.  I would love to visit Romania some day!  :)

The closest I ever got was Istanbul.

Is that near Transsexual Transylvania?
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Cindy on February 09, 2014, 01:14:44 AM
Sounds a place for a good party
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: K Style Addiction on February 09, 2014, 01:20:55 AM
QuoteDid you ever make it over to Ghirardelli Square?

Sorry hon, i know i should have but i just haven't had the time to really go anywhere for relaxation/sight seeing, i have been having a pretty rough time.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MadeleineG on February 09, 2014, 01:40:12 AM
A friend of mine is convinced that the answer to the question is Whitehorse, Yukon. Seriously.  :D
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jenny07 on February 09, 2014, 01:42:43 AM
It's Ok let them think that Gwynne as I go to the beach to cool down.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: big kim on February 09, 2014, 05:17:46 AM
Quote from: Jenny07 on February 09, 2014, 01:42:43 AM
It's Ok let them think that Gwynne as I go to the beach to cool down.
Come to Black pool beach,you'll definitely cool down today!
Title: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ErinM on February 09, 2014, 11:03:28 AM

Quote from: Qwynne on February 09, 2014, 01:40:12 AM
A friend of mine is convinced that the answer to the question is Whitehorse, Yukon. Seriously.  :D

I don't think I could handle the lack of daylight in winter, I share the appeal of being in a remote location. If I didn't need so many medical services both trans related and not, I would move to a small Saskatchewan town.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: MadeleineG on February 10, 2014, 06:11:45 PM
Quote from: ErinM on February 09, 2014, 11:03:28 AM
I don't think I could handle the lack of daylight in winter, I share the appeal of being in a remote location. If I didn't need so many medical services both trans related and not, I would move to a small Saskatchewan town.

*looks out the window at a small Saskatchewan town*  :D
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Mira on March 22, 2015, 10:45:50 PM
Headed to Colorado soon, can't wait!!!
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Serena on March 22, 2015, 10:57:09 PM
Definitely NOT Buffalo, NY.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: jessical on March 22, 2015, 11:04:33 PM
Quote from: MadeleineG on February 10, 2014, 06:11:45 PM
*looks out the window at a small Saskatchewan town*  :D

I have a soft spot in my heart for Saskatchewan.  I grew up there.  I now live in San Francisco.  Ghirardelli Square is to be avoided at all costs.  It's a fine tourist trap, but not the real San Francisco.  It is expensive, but so is NYC.  It is particularly expensive for people who are trying to rent.
Title: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ImagineKate on March 23, 2015, 09:54:10 PM
NYC and California are good but both are so expensive and restrictive in many ways and I feel will fall in the long term due to being financially unsustainable. My home state of NJ is good for trans rights in many respects but falls short in nearly everything else.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Cyber Warrior on March 23, 2015, 10:00:55 PM
It's sure as hell not Alabama I'll tell you that much.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: ChiGirl on March 23, 2015, 10:05:55 PM
Other than wanting to move to California for the weather, I'm pretty happy in Chicago, Illinois.  Good resources, good laws.  You can changed your dl as long as you've had some work towards transitioning, i.e. electrolysis, hair transplants, hormones, etc. 
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Eevee on March 23, 2015, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: MacG on February 02, 2014, 12:16:09 PM
I'm going to have to put a vote in for Portland, Oregon. Lots and lots of cool people, annnnnd its largest employer (OHSU) has specifically added trans-related care to its employee health insurance.
I'll have to second this one. As soon as I am able to, I plan to move back there.
Title: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Jessica_M on May 08, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
Sorry if I'm digging up an old topic, but it seemed like a good one to keep alive. I lived in San Diego briefly a few years ago, but things didn't pan out and the company that was sponsoring me went bankrupt so I couldn't stay. I did love California though as I found it really easy to make friends and people seemed a lot happier than in Australia. I also love Japan and have lots of friends there. Living and transitioning though... I'm not too sure about Australia, I guess the upside would be the support of the health system, but I'd love to just go somewhere and start a new life. Maybe the UK... I have a British passport
Title: Re: Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?
Post by: Marly on May 08, 2015, 11:15:39 PM
Quote from: Jennygirl on January 30, 2014, 10:15:26 PM
Jill I'm coming over!!

how about 3-girl household?  Seriously though, finding a reliable roommate would make things easier on both.