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Wow, it seems to be no_id's poll-week, and although this does seem like another rather lightminded poll there is an actual point to it.

It was created based on the following infromation in the "What do you think of this Chart" thread:

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on July 11, 2007, 01:58:32 AM
Androgyne talk                  242 Topics           2865 Posts

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on July 11, 2007, 01:58:32 AM
Androgyne             65

As KK pointed out nicely: the Adrogyne forum has passed the CD and TV forum in amount of posts while we have quite a small assembly. Thus, Are we truly more talkative?... And, if so then what could be the reason for it?

Note that the following assumptions aren't conclusive:
Could it be due to the Androgyne diversity, and that there are therefore more information areas to cover? Or (in relation to RebeccaFog's thread: "Androgyne invisibility") that we have more trouble relating to none/and TG's and therefore are more eager to search for likeminded individuals? Or can a possible elaboration be found in more simplistic matters; the Androgyne's natural cool (relevance: RebeccaFog's "androgyne cool? Talkin' charisma, babies!" thread)? Then again, perhaps our personal journeys might be far less identical than for other TG's, and due to the lack of information on Androgyny[...]:

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on July 11, 2007, 03:07:48 AM
I think its more of the opportunity to finally vocalize feelings, experiences, and communication with others after feeling alone, sometimes even among other TGs in other boards, sites, and on the web. Most of the androgyne info out there is buried in other TG areas most the time very hard to find. And from what I have read, doesnt always get the attention it deserved.

... We might feel more prone to discuss questions and/or issues in order to gain more understanding?

To me it seems like an interesting area to poke around in, and I'm interested in your opinions/explanations. Additionally, I hope all of the above is rather understandable, and that I didn't get too carried away. ;)

First of all, no_id great way to bring together multiple posts into one poll.

I voted yes, since data supports such idea of talkative message board activity. To see the full numbers I listed them starting in this post and a little further down if you scroll down. https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,15739.msg122246.html#msg122246

It is really nice that we have more posts despite the 1/3rd the population (as the CD section).

Since you already quoted my answer as to maybe why, I wont repeat it. Just read it above, in no_id's post. Which is very similar to the androgyne invisibility post, though specific to the internet, rather than in day to day life.

As for day-to-day communication, if i remember, data supports such claim that androgynous communication styles might be more talkative for male genetic born, or less talkative for female genetic born, based on the longstanding data saying men talk less than women, and some of Bem's (or Bem test inspired research) data about androgynous communciations. Cant remember the exact details of the research.

Although I think personality type also dictates talkative amount both in day-to-day and online. The personality posts we have had showed everything from a shy person to an outgoing social person. Though I think forums allow people that are normally shy, to be more talkative, behind the safety and security of a username.

Genetic female androgynes might be more likely to say no, I would theorize.

KK/Ken/Kendra

I'm really very shy, however once I get to know people, I do open up and really enjoy talking and getting to know people. Actually, truth be told, once I start talking, it's awfully hard to get me to stop <people glancing to see where the exits are, and whether they can politely leave>  ;D

I don't know if androgynes are more talkative than the population at large. I'd guess that there's a range from chatty to taciturn here, likely similar to percentages elsewhere. What I do think is now that this channel of discussion has opened up, it's created an outlet for our thoughts and feelings that have been simmering, largely unexpressed, for a long time. I'm happy to have a place to discuss these topics.

In true androgyne fashion, I voted for the answer that included both options  ;)

zythyra

Not sure if we are really more talkative, or that we just have some very interesting topics that almost force you to join in.  The in-depth philosophical discussions we have had in the past and the amazing range and variety or posts recently just reach out and demand a response.

And, as you all know, I tend to get long-winded on occassion (really???) so I voted Yes.

Curious if there are stats that contain words-per-post and which section blathers on the most...I wonder if I'm in the running....LOL

.....Laurry

No idea if any of its androgyne relative or if this cross section are blabbermouths...

Maybe we could compare individual's posts per day...( :) )

I always like a good natter.


I have noticed that it is often the androgynes who make the tend to veer off topic, something that can be seen throughout the forum.

Quote from: Pica Pica on July 11, 2007, 11:39:17 AM
I have noticed that it is often the androgynes who make the tend to veer off topic, something that can be seen throughout the forum.

Perhaps that's because we see links where others do not? ;)

i was moe thinking that we are vague and rambling

Quote from: Pica Pica on July 11, 2007, 11:39:17 AM
I have noticed that it is often the androgynes who make the tend to veer off topic, something that can be seen throughout the forum.

So how 'bout those Yankees?

.....Laurry


P.S.  Sorry, just couldn't resist

what yankees?

Quotehave noticed that it is often the androgynes who make the tend to veer off topic, something that can be seen throughout the forum.

It's just that we're relating them to ten other topics simultaneously.

Years ago I wrote a tune called "Goin' Round the Barn", referring to my tendency to... um... ramble. I hate when I've gotten so far off topic that I can't remember what the heck my point was for veering off  ::)

QuoteSo how 'bout those Yankees?

I stopped paying attention ever since the Brooklyn Dodgers left town.

Now, what sport do they play again? Hockey? ;D

zythyra, aka the keening quing

Having tried to keep up with three at the same time in the chat room ... yes.

Do Androgynes have Red Bull instead of blood.?

Buffy

I dunno if those teams play the prissy safety-fied game that is based on rugby or the pitifully butched up version of the girls' game we call rounders

Posted on: July 11, 2007, 01:20:29 PM

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Also...

very proud of my multitasking ability today. I am choosing what Sufjan Stevens songs are to go on Jiminy (my MP3 player) cooking one hell of a dinner, answering threads and reading a book about Buster Keaton. I have only burnt my self once and spilt port on my t-shirt. Go me :)

Posted on: July 11, 2007, 01:23:16 PM

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Oh yeah, and doing my laundry, forgot about that.

Quote from: Buffy on July 11, 2007, 01:15:01 PM
Having tried to keep up with three at the same time in the chat room ... yes.

Hahaha xD that was fun.

Nevertheless, to 'bend' things a bit, I'll make a more in-relation-to, yet, fairly random statement/question (decipher that one). Does anyone ever feel they have to explain themselves quite a lot (as in talking a lot) within a TG community or have a harder time relating-to, and at times feel somewhat as outcasts/lonely due to being misunderstood or just not comprehended (individually or androgyne-wise)?

*reads that again*..
... *considers rewriting*
Oh whatever, I did my best..  8)

I've been playing on chat and I did have a bit O' difficulty (tm) explaining it. But I was also listening to music and reading about buster keaton...

Quote from: Pica Pica on July 12, 2007, 06:01:41 PM
I've been playing on chat and I did have a bit O' difficulty (tm) explaining it. But I was also listening to music and reading about buster keaton...

It's interesting, since I did have some discussions about it with both other androgynes and TS' about how androgyny does seem to be somewhat 'unfamiliar' ground. I really liked what Caroline said about it:

QuoteWhen transsexuals first came to Gay chatrooms everyone took some moderate distance since they couldn't understand them. I believe it's the same now for androgyne coming to a TG chat of which the major population are TS. -- note: reworded.

It makes me wonder how everyone labels themselves; first as TG or first as Androgyne/TS?... And if that may be an explanation why some TG's might know so little of other aspects... *ponders*... hm  :icon_blink:

QuoteIt makes me wonder how everyone labels themselves; first as TG or first as Androgyne/TS?...

I usually use transgender first, since I've been part of that community since 1993. Androgyne is a newer identity for me.

zythyra

I would say androgyne first, but not far first.

Currently Ambigendered, Androgyne, Transgender from specific to more general for me. Though in this section I normally keep posts focused on Androgyne. Though I might do some Ambigender once more.

Quote from: no_id on July 11, 2007, 05:21:13 PM
Nevertheless, to 'bend' things a bit, I'll make a more in-relation-to, yet, fairly random statement/question (decipher that one). Does anyone ever feel they have to explain themselves quite a lot (as in talking a lot) within a TG community or have a harder time relating-to, and at times feel somewhat as outcasts/lonely due to being misunderstood or just not comprehended (individually or androgyne-wise)?

I can't believe I've been missing this post!!!! You sneaky peoples, you.

        I have noticed that I'm often misunderstood.  This applies in life as well as forums.  I often need to explain to people that I'm not being serious.  I had to learn to use emoticons here on this site because I found that others were taking my jokes seriously. I refuse to consider that the humor was bad.
        I also change the topic a lot when I'm talking to others. A lot of times, it seems that people are staying on one subject too long for me, or they are missing connections somehow.


        I voted NO about us being more talkative, but after seeing the stats, I realized I am probably wrong. 

        Buster Keaton is my hero - {she said seemingly without meaning}

I did not use emoticons in this message. Can you spot the humor?  Hmmmmmmmm?

   It occurred to me that we, as a group, have a lot of work going on in terms of discovering who we are, how our minds work, and, what is our place in society.  In my case, I only recently accepted that we exist. We may have more to discuss for now.

ps
   Stop trying to sneak threads by me.

Posted on: July 16, 2007, 08:52:40 PM

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   I have been identifying to people as Transgender then Androgyne because I know they are more likely to have heard the term transgender due to all of the recent television coverage of transsexuals. I'm considering going the other way, though; Androgyne/Transgender.  I don't know what kind of androgyne I am yet.  Maybe midlife blurs it up a little.

Quote from: Rebis on July 16, 2007, 09:02:22 PM
I refuse to consider that the humor was bad.

Lol!  ;D

QuoteIt occurred to me that we, as a group, have a lot of work going on in terms of discovering who we are, how our minds work, and, what is our place in society.  In my case, I only recently accepted that we exist. We may have more to discuss for now.

Yes, it seems there's no set guidebook for androgyny due to the strong diversity. It's nearly as if we're a group of pre-school kids in a large candy shop, suggesting each other different flavours, and basically trying anything and everything realising we have plenty of corridors left to explore.

QuoteI have been identifying to people as Transgender then Androgyne because I know they are more likely to have heard the term transgender due to all of the recent television coverage of transsexuals. I'm considering going the other way, though; Androgyne/Transgender.  I don't know what kind of androgyne I am yet.  Maybe midlife blurs it up a little.

It's tricky business really...:

Me: I'm transgender.
Person X: h0mg! You're transsexual!!!!!!? O.O
Me: Uh.. No. Okay, let's try this again... I'm Androgyne. <.<
Person X: *blank stare*..
Me: A-N-D-R-O-G-Y-N-E... Androgyne. v.v;
Person X: *blinks* Does that mean you've been abducted by aliens?... o.O
Me: -.-... 

As for androgyne subcategories, I don't really feel the need to settle on one. Most likely I'd be consided agender/neutrois, but why complicate things? ;)

Quote from: no_id on July 17, 2007, 07:08:25 AM
Yes, it seems there's no set guidebook for androgyny due to the strong diversity. It's nearly as if we're a group of pre-school kids in a large candy shop, suggesting each other different flavours, and basically trying anything and everything realising we have plenty of corridors left to explore.

That's it exactly.  I wandered up and down the aisles, trying this, trying that, until I found something that seems to match who I am.  I am not locked into that candy, and I still try out others, but for now, that is the kind that works best.

......Laurry

To take that philosophy a tad further;

What we see is a ball made out of gold, but each single one of us views it from a different angle/perspective based on our culture, our background and our frame of reference. What we percieve it as is a product of introspection, yet that does not take away the fact that it is still a gold ball. It is the essence of who we are; Androgyne, and althought we may toggle our view (and expand our frame of reference) it will always differentiate from other's.

8)

Quote from: no_id on July 17, 2007, 07:08:25 AM
Yes, it seems there's no set guidebook for androgyny due to the strong diversity. It's nearly as if we're a group of pre-school kids in a large candy shop, suggesting each other different flavours, and basically trying anything and everything realising we have plenty of corridors left to explore.

Wait a sec.....

hmmmm


What did I buy for $19.95

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fwickham_kendra%2Fprima.jpg&hash=9af636571de7edae92e7cac5d27cc65d90262f5f)

Paperback: 320 pages
Publisher: Prima Games (January 20, 1999)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0761512345
ISBN-13: 978-0761512345
Product Dimensions: 9.2 x 7.4 x 0.8 inches
Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds

Features
•  detailed charts about sex, gender, orientation, and gender continuum
•  tips on how to start out your life as an androgyne.
•  info about important people in your life: friends, family, partner/spouse, coworkers, boss, or self employment
•  complete walk through of life covering all aspects of life
•  the rules of living and regulations of being an androgyne
•  how to pass the androgyne entrance and graduation exams
•  important maps showing major decisions, hidden tangents, major conflicts (boss monsters)

Quote•  the rules of living and regulations of being an androgyne
•  how to pass the androgyne entrance and graduation exams

What?? Rules and regulations!!!! Entrance exams!!!!  :o  I guess I can't be an androgyne anymore  ;D

zythyra

Thats why I bought it, so I could pass the exam. Heard its a wickedly long test. And the regulations would rival any IRS tax code.

That and the cheat codes..... and the walk through of life.

QuoteThats why I bought it, so I could pass the exam. Heard its a wickedly long test. And the regulations would rival any IRS tax code.

That and the cheat codes..... and the walk through of life.

Wow! And here I'd been thinking all along that being an androgyne was so easy. No rules, no laws, no regulations, just living as a free spirit following my heart! Oh well, I guess I was delusional.  :embarrassed: You got an extra copy of that book? I better start studying, this androgyny is serious business.  :P

zythyra 

Quote from: zythyra on July 19, 2007, 11:12:10 AM
Wow! And here I'd been thinking all along that being an androgyne was so easy. No rules, no laws, no regulations, just living as a free spirit following my heart! Oh well, I guess I was delusional.  :embarrassed: You got an extra copy of that book? I better start studying, this androgyny is serious business.  :P

zythyra 

Great... Pass the exams and get a BA (Batchelors of Androgany) and then stay on and get an MA (Masters of Androgany), get a PhD and then you can use the title Dr which is totally genderless... cool

Buffy

Dont worry zythyra, your honorable title "the Keening Quing" sufficiently is equivalent.

Dr. KK

hmmmm.

Quote from: zythyra on July 11, 2007, 09:09:41 AM
I'm really very shy, however once I get to know people, I do open up and really enjoy talking and getting to know people. Actually, truth be told, once I start talking, it's awfully hard to get me to stop <people glancing to see where the exits are, and whether they can politely leave>  ;D


zythyra

Yeah I can relate to your paragraph above for the most part.

Ya and sometimes I say the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Quote from: zythyra on July 11, 2007, 01:09:32 PM

Quotehave noticed that it is often the androgynes who make the tend to veer off topic, something that can be seen throughout the forum.

It's just that we're relating them to ten other topics simultaneously.

Years ago I wrote a tune called "Goin' Round the Barn", referring to my tendency to... um... ramble. I hate when I've gotten so far off topic that I can't remember what the heck my point was for veering off  ::)


zythyra, aka the keening quing

Yeah I get off topic too and that I tried to get back on topic with the person I'm talking too sometimes and it just ruins the whole flow of the conversation about the original topic.

BTW, I like your avator(I think its called)or picture that you use on your all posts with the person with the long dark hair and the Dr. Spock ears.

QuoteDont worry zythyra, your honorable title "the Keening Quing" sufficiently is equivalent.

Thanks Dr KK!

BTW, the rule book for keening quings isn't exactly easy either  ;D

QuoteBTW, I like your avator(I think its called)or picture that you use on your all posts with the person with the long dark hair and the Dr. Spock ears.

Thanks Chillin! I hadn't related the ears as being like Spock, sort of thought of them as being elvish.

zythyra