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Not sure if this is in the right place but anyway I purchased a burdizzo on eBay and I'm going to castrate myself.  I can't believe I never thought of this but it seems to be the safest castration procedure since it's non invasive.  I know it's going to be painful but I'm going to do it.  Anyone hear of this thing being used on humans? 

NO!!

Absolutely not!

Do NOT do that!

Unless you want to end up bleeding to death, I would advise you to not do this.

I don't care about what device you are using. The proper way to do this is under a surgeon's supervision and in a clinic/hospital.

Do NOT do this!

Ditto what Laura Squirrel said, don't do this.

OMG, hell no! There are so many things wrong with that.  I don't even know where to begin here.  I want mine gone yesterday but I'd just as soon do it with a butter knife.  This needs to be done by a qualified surgeon.

Using veterinary equipment is stupid.. 

Yes, I have heard of it being used on humans. I was a member of the Eunuch Archive for years before coming here. And the general consensus there is basically that the burdizzo is one of the absolute worst ways that anyone could attempt to castrate themselves.

Burdizzos are designed for livestock. And anyone who has actually seen one used on an animal can attest that this device causes IMMENSE pain. The animals that they are using it on have to be restrained, and often can even faint, because the pain is so intense. For God's sake, vets don't even really use burdizzos anymore, because they concluded that even surgical castration of cattle with no anesthesia was less painful than a burdizzo.

Basically, there is no way that anyone could successfully do this on themselves. The pain would be too intense. You're only going to succeed if you have a 2nd party do it. And it's probably going to take a serious dose of pain meds and numbing agents to get through it even then.

And not only that, but success is not guaranteed by any means. Many people on the Eunuch Archive have attempted this method and ended up failing, some multiple times, even after the immense pain that they put themselves through.

And finally, you are aware of how this works, right? Basically it works by cutting off the blood supply to the testicles, and eventually they turn black and drop off of the body. This in itself requires enduring constant pain, plus having a black sac hanging down there between your legs for weeks. And there's also a risk of gangrene, blood clotting, serious infection, and a myriad of other things that might land you in the hospital. Plus you're destroying the material necessary for SRS.

Basically, success is technically possible, but it's very rare. And even the failures still have to deal with the same amount of extreme pain. So it is VERY unwise to do it this way.

If you really are desperate to get a castration, Dr Arnkoff in Michigan will do orchiectomy on informed consent, for around $2000. That is a MUCH better option, with near negligible risks, compared to the dangerous immensely-painful DIY method that you're talking about. DON'T DO IT. Seriously. DON'T. Even the eunuch community, which doesn't generally have the help from the medical establishment that trans people do, and therefore very often have to resort to DIY methods, pretty much universally agree that the burdizzo is a horrible idea.

Quote from: Sarah Louise on March 24, 2014, 04:52:18 PM
Ditto what Laura Squirrel said, don't do this.

No no this thing is non invasive.  It can't cause bleeding.  Pain is an issue but I think it only take like 10 seconds to cut off the blood supply permanently.

Quote from: Amy1988 on March 24, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
No no this thing is non invasive.  It can't cause bleeding.  Pain is an issue but I think it only take like 10 seconds to cut off the blood supply permanently.

It sounds like you are pretty sure about doing this.

Hmmm, you better have a hospital close by....that's all I can say.

Its your body, do as you will, but we take absolutely no responsibility.

We have warned you of the dangers.

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on March 24, 2014, 06:01:09 PM
It sounds like you are pretty sure about doing this.

Hmmm, you better have a hospital close by....that's all I can say.

I do and I have insurance too.

Quote from: Sarah Louise on March 24, 2014, 06:08:02 PM
Its your body, do as you will, but we take absolutely no responsibility.

We have warned you of the dangers.

I think it will be ok.

Quote from: Amy1988 on March 24, 2014, 06:35:38 PM
I do and I have insurance too.

May I ask WHY you are doing this DIY when you have insurance?

That sounds completely insane and illogical.

I have insurance and 90% of my orchi was covered by it.

For God's sake, if you're really serious about going DIY, go for something safer! (Injecting alcohol and calcium chloride would be safer. Which still is definitely not recommended, because any DIY method is an act of desperation with serious risks for medical complication...) but still, SOMETHING, anything, just for God's sake, not the burdizzo. I'm serious, you're not thinking straight here. You're choosing what's basically the absolute most painful method, with the lowest success rate.

Again, veterinarians nowadays use SURGICAL CASTRATION WITH NO ANESTHESIA because it hurts livestock less than a burdizzo does.

And this is NOT coming from someone who doesn't know what she's talking about. I've been on Eunuch.org for years. I've seen countless forum posts from people who have indeed actually tried this. Maybe about 10%-20% actually succeeded, after enduring weeks of pain. The rest all failed. They either couldn't handle the pain and immediately gave up, or went through with it but still failed, enduring tremendous pain for absolutely nothing.

When she clamps down on the spermatic chords, she'll realise she's made a very stupid choice..

That kind of trauma to the related nerve bundles will not be fun.. And it will persist..

I understand the desire.  I'd call it a need.  This is not the right way to do it.  Really, I know emotional pain and physical pain (27 broken bones and 11 major surgeries).  This frightens me.  Please, consider other options.

Big Hugs of worry,

Jen

This will cause dry gangrene, but shouldn't become infected. But it MAY.. and that could wreck tissues you may need for SRS later. As others have said, the pain is such that you will be unable to do it yourself. I do not advise trying, but if you do, you will know what people are saying about the pain. Also this can not 'take', and you will have brought yourself devastating pain for nothing. Injections are less painful.. but again, it's a risky thing to stick needles in yourself. Does your insurance not cover an orchidectomy? :(

I know you'll do what you want to do in this, but you've picked one of the absolute worst methods to attempt this with. Please be careful.

There is the potential for complications as has been noted, but the thing that would worry me more is the damage to tissue for SRS use later. I strongly suggest you reconsider, especially seeing as a surgical orchi doesn't have to be expensive.

If you do go thru with it, I suggest not straying too far from a hospital just in case. I hope there are no complications, but since the possibility exists you really ought to be prepared for them.

EDIT: Also with DIY you won't be able to have a surgeon's letter to change documentation like you would (in most states) from an orchi.

Quote from: greypeacock on March 24, 2014, 07:05:10 PM
Does your insurance not cover an orchidectomy?

Even if it excludes things that may be trans related, you can get an orchi covered as long as it is coded as a "male" procedure. This was the case for me. The hospital that I had it done at was in my insurance network and the vast majority of its clients were genetic males so it worked out.

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on March 24, 2014, 06:37:16 PM
May I ask WHY you are doing this DIY when you have insurance?

That sounds completely insane and illogical.

I have insurance and 90% of my orchi was covered by it.

What country are you in? I'm in the US and I'm guessing you are in a European country where it's covered.  Hopefully I'm wrong.

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on March 24, 2014, 07:19:11 PM
Even if it excludes things that may be trans related, you can get an orchi covered as long as it is coded as a "male" procedure. This was the case for me. The hospital that I had it done at was in my insurance network and the vast majority of its clients were genetic males so it worked out.

How did you get it coded so insurance would pay?  Are you in the US?

Quote from: Amy1988 on March 24, 2014, 07:25:00 PM
What country are you in? I'm in the US and I'm guessing you are in a European country where it's covered.  Hopefully I'm wrong.

Nope. I live in the US.

i know exactly how determined you are to get that foul testosterone out of your system, i went to great lengths myself, i injected my testicles with alcohol and then tryed to surgically remove them myself. i know the desperation you are having, its overwhelming and i know you think if you just get rid of the testicles then your life will be so much better, but the matter of the fact if you aren't being upset about having testosterone in your system your gonna have the same self hate towards your penis, or something else, there will always be a new thing to worry about,

personally i think if you are willing to attempt something so unbelievably radical as berdizzo's, i think you should atleast go to your gp and tell them the great lengths you are willing to attempt just to reduce your testosterone, and ask them if you would be able to get some anti androgens, any gp that is willing to turn you away and just let you self mutilate is not doing there job

just remember that you will always have hurdles to jump and that after you complete one you will still feel like you just started, i am now on hrt and i am staring at my FFS like crazy and feel that my life will start when i get my ffs

Quote from: Amy1988 on March 24, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
No no this thing is non invasive.  It can't cause bleeding.  Pain is an issue but I think it only take like 10 seconds to cut off the blood supply permanently.

Amy,

The 10 seconds or whatever is IF the crimp is successful.  It will take a very firm crimp, well beyond what you could do yourself.  That will hurt so bad we can't tell you.  It will also only be the beginning of pain lasting for weeks.  And...  It may not work, as in most likely NOT.

Please, please, please, read what the other posters have said.  You are infinitely better off finding a surgeon who will do this on an informed consent basis.  If you eventually want SRS you are better off finding a doctor to let you have anti-androgens on an informed consent basis.

Please do NOT try the burdizzo!


Erin

Quote from: ErinWDK on March 25, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
Amy,

The 10 seconds or whatever is IF the crimp is successful.  It will take a very firm crimp, well beyond what you could do yourself.  That will hurt so bad we can't tell you.  It will also only be the beginning of pain lasting for weeks.  And...  It may not work, as in most likely NOT.

Please, please, please, read what the other posters have said.  You are infinitely better off finding a surgeon who will do this on an informed consent basis.  If you eventually want SRS you are better off finding a doctor to let you have anti-androgens on an informed consent basis.

Please do NOT try the burdizzo!


Erin

Probably good advice but I need to try.  I'm only going to clamp down enough to cut off the blood supply for as long as I can stand it.  I don't know how long it takes the testicles to die from lack of blood supply but I suspect if I cut the blood supply off for short periods over time the effect will be accumulative and they will eventually die or become so damaged they will not function.

Quote from: Amy1988 on March 25, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
Probably good advice but I need to try.  I'm only going to clamp down enough to cut off the blood supply for as long as I can stand it.  I don't know how long it takes the testicles to die from lack of blood supply but I suspect if I cut the blood supply off for short periods over time the effect will be accumulative and they will eventually die or become so damaged they will not function.

Please do NOT do this!

Not only will there be unbearable pain; but some of the complications can be FATAL.  Making parts of your body die inside your body is asking for horrible infection; horrible enough to KILL you.  Please read Carrie Liz's posts - she is telling you the truth.  See your doctor, Please!

This is really the worst possible way to get rid of Testosterone.

Hang in there and get medical help.


Erin

Quote from: Amy1988 on March 25, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
Probably good advice but I need to try.  I'm only going to clamp down enough to cut off the blood supply for as long as I can stand it.  I don't know how long it takes the testicles to die from lack of blood supply but I suspect if I cut the blood supply off for short periods over time the effect will be accumulative and they will eventually die or become so damaged they will not function.

I have used this device on livestock. You have to know EXACTLY where to place the device for it to actually do anything more than cause EXTREME pain. And, on a human, that location is such that its not where you can actually do it yourself. Also, the pain of doing it is such that there's almost NO WAY you'll be able to clamp it down on yourself fully, let alone for the length of time required. And, the odds of finding a second person, who would actually be willing to do it, and KNOW how and where to do it, are ridiculously slim. I mean, how do you even broach that as a topic? "Hey, wanna do something fun tonight? Clamp this down on my balls really really hard, and just ignore my screams"

Also, the effect is not cumulative. Should you fail, which you most likely will, all you will have done is caused yourself unneeded pain and put your health very very much at risk. Which is all you'll do the second time, and the third time, and the fourth time, and so on.

An orchi, done by a doctor, is expensive. But, there's a reason for that. A doctor has the skills and knowledge necessary to keep you from dying.

Quote from: Amy1988 on March 24, 2014, 04:26:03 PM
Not sure if this is in the right place but anyway I purchased a burdizzo on eBay and I'm going to castrate myself.  I can't believe I never thought of this but it seems to be the safest castration procedure since it's non invasive.  I know it's going to be painful but I'm going to do it.  Anyone hear of this thing being used on humans?

Oh my God honey... Please don't do this... This is a one way trip to the ER...

$2000 is not expensive at all... you're obviously a danger to yourself and I hope somebody calls 9-1-1 on you. I don't care if it's against the TOS name-calling, but you're an idiot if you're going through with this and I don't care if it succeeds or fails. You should be banned for ignoring SANE advice, but whatever.

I just had SRS covered by my insurance... $200 co-pay. Might want to go see a therapist and do this the normal way, because your research is clearly limited. You obviously know how to access the Internet.

Be smart girl friend, just take some spiro & chill out. Live long & smart, not short & stupid.

We've all been there but this is not the solution.

As a professional Paramedic with 28 years experience DO NOT USE THAT DEVICE!!! I have run on people(7) who tried to use it and two died as a result of infection and (3) of massive blood loss. DO NOT USE IT!!! THROW IT AWAY NOW!! You will run the risk of NEVER getting SRS if you use this device. Insurance will only cover saving your life which is what you are risking. You use it and you will never be the same if you survive. You need to listen to me on this.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on March 31, 2014, 06:10:45 PM
As a professional Paramedic with 28 years experience...... I have run on people(7) who tried to use it and two died as a result of infection and (3) of massive blood loss.

Wow...that's terrible. I can't wrap my head around being that desperate. I know it sucks with GID and all that comes with it. But gambling with something like that is just unthinkable to me.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on March 31, 2014, 06:10:45 PM
As a professional Paramedic with 28 years experience DO NOT USE THAT DEVICE!!! I have run on people(7) who tried to use it and two died as a result of infection and (3) of massive blood loss. DO NOT USE IT!!! THROW IT AWAY NOW!! You will run the risk of NEVER getting SRS if you use this device. Insurance will only cover saving your life which is what you are risking. You use it and you will never be the same if you survive. You need to listen to me on this.

Holy crap!  How common is it to even try this?  I mean WOW, it's such an obvious "don't try this at home" sort of thing.

Amy, Maybe this might be some help for you. You are not alone. I considered cutting those nasty things off so so many times early in life. Puberty & changing into a male body was terrible for me. I came close several times to just take a razor blade & be done with it. I stopped, knew I would have probably died by bleeding to death.

I've not told this to anyone & only repeat it so you will know that you are not alone.

Be smart, live long. Do not cause yourself this risk.

Good luck GF. It's good that you opened up rather that doing something very dangerous.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,162078.msg1393319.html#top

She has already decided not to do that.

Thank GOODNESS. There was only one right decision here.