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Title: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: xiaocen on April 13, 2014, 09:08:23 PM
Is there any treatment for male pattern hair loss.
I really want to transit to female, but I have to deal with my hairline first.
If there is no cure for hair loss, I am afraid I will be baldness in the future.
This is really terrible.



Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: alabamagirl on April 13, 2014, 09:21:32 PM
As someone who is also suffering from male pattern hair loss, I feel your pain. :(

*hugs you tight*
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: MbutF on April 13, 2014, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: xiaocen on April 13, 2014, 09:08:23 PM
Is there any treatment for male pattern hair loss.
I really want to transit to female, but I have to deal with my hairline first.
If there is no cure for hair loss, I am afraid I will be baldness in the future.
This is really terrible.

I'm going through the same problem.

It's the most terrible feeling, people who don't know my secret tell me, to 'accept my baldness', 'bald men are attractive', but they don't really know how much it hurts for me. I can't tell them why I'm so desperate to fight baldness, they don't know.

I don't know how bad your baldness is, but mine, is not so bad, I still have a head full of hair, just thinning. If i grow it long, it's not noticeable at all.

I know how terrible it is.... I want long, flowing feminine hair, and the EXACT opposite of that is happening to me. It feels awful...

I am getting help, It seems to be working, my hair fall has reduced drastically, and It might grow back, but I have to be patient. You should seek out help too. They got a lot of tests done on me before they figured out the reason for my hair loss. I don't even have half as much hair as I did just a few years ago....

I'm telling you, I did the right thing by seeking help, at least my hair fall has stopped, you should too, if it's possible.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: xiaocen on April 13, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
Quote from: MbutF on April 13, 2014, 09:56:24 PM
I'm going through the same problem.

It's the most terrible feeling, people who don't know my secret tell me, to 'accept my baldness', 'bald men are attractive', but they don't really know how much it hurts for me. I can't tell them why I'm so desperate to fight baldness, they don't know.

I don't know how bad your baldness is, but mine, is not so bad, I still have a head full of hair, just thinning. If i grow it long, it's not noticeable at all.

I know how terrible it is.... I want long, flowing feminine hair, and the EXACT opposite of that is happening to me. It feels awful...

I am getting help, It seems to be working, my hair fall has reduced drastically, and It might grow back, but I have to be patient. You should seek out help too. They got a lot of tests done on me before they figured out the reason for my hair loss. I don't even have half as much hair as I did just a few years ago....

I'm telling you, I did the right thing by seeking help, at least my hair fall has stopped, you should too, if it's possible.
I think my situation is as same as you.My hair is just thin now. Now I grow my hair long enough, so that people won't notice that.
I really want long, flowing feminine hair too.
I am seeking help now.
I have gone to see doctors.
Will you consider the hair transplant in the future?
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: xiaocen on April 13, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: Pikachu on April 13, 2014, 09:21:32 PM
As someone who is also suffering from male pattern hair loss, I feel your pain. :(

*hugs you tight*
hugs
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: MbutF on April 13, 2014, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: xiaocen on April 13, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
I think my situation is as same as you.My hair is just thin now. Now I grow my hair long enough, so that people won't notice that.
I really want long, flowing feminine hair too.
I am seeking help now.
I have gone to see doctors.
Will you consider the hair transplant in the future?

I'm saving up money, just in case.......

What did your doctors say?
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: xiaocen on April 13, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: MbutF on April 13, 2014, 10:29:48 PM
I'm saving up money, just in case.......

What did your doctors say?
Most doctors say finasteride and minoxidil are the only effective way to treat male pattern hair loss.

But these treatments are not very effective for forehead area, So I plan to have the hairline transplantation operation.

The finasteride is a kind of anti androgen.
So will other anti androgen be effective for hair loss, such as aldactone and cyproterone acetate? The doctors don't know my gender problem. I didn't ask this question.

Many transgender friends tell me the HRT drags are effective for hair loss.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: Alyssa Rae on April 14, 2014, 12:19:38 AM
Exact same thing is happening to me.  Hairline receding and thinning in the back.  It's an aweful situation to be in, but apparently hair transplantation is very effective.  I know it's usually not a permanent solution, because the hair that hasn't fallen out at the time of the precedure will eventually.  Of course, with the transitioning comes the hormones, which for all intents and purposes stops the balding.  I had the same concern the other day and upon the advice I recieved and some research, was able to conclude that after the hormones, I should be fine with the initial transplant.  Everything will be fine.  If you need to talk, I should be able to pm soon.   ;)
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: MbutF on April 14, 2014, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: xiaocen on April 13, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
Most doctors say finasteride and minoxidil are the only effective way to treat male pattern hair loss.

But these treatments are not very effective for forehead area, So I plan to have the hairline transplantation operation.

I'm using both, they seem to have stopped my hair fall considerably. I have to wait a few months before they grow back (if they do)

If you feel hair transplant is right for you, good luck  :) Hope you have a head full of hair soon...

QuoteThe finasteride is a kind of anti androgen.
So will other anti androgen be effective for hair loss, such as aldactone and cyproterone acetate? The doctors don't know my gender problem. I didn't ask this question.

Many transgender friends tell me the HRT drags are effective for hair loss.

Same thing here, they don't know my gender problem either,

but I suggest you don't try anything yourself, you could ask your doctor about the other anti androgens, he'll answer your questions.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: MbutF on April 14, 2014, 01:10:18 AM
Quote from: AlyssaRae89 on April 14, 2014, 12:19:38 AM
Exact same thing is happening to me.  Hairline receding and thinning in the back.  It's an aweful situation to be in, but apparently hair transplantation is very effective.  I know it's usually not a permanent solution, because the hair that hasn't fallen out at the time of the precedure will eventually.  Of course, with the transitioning comes the hormones, which for all intents and purposes stops the balding.  I had the same concern the other day and upon the advice I recieved and some research, was able to conclude that after the hormones, I should be fine with the initial transplant.  Everything will be fine.  If you need to talk, I should be able to pm soon.   ;)

It's pretty awful alright, I think, especially for transgender people.  :(


Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: WaspWoman on April 14, 2014, 02:52:31 AM
This is by far the #1 dysphoria trigger for me. My hair started thinning/receding when I was 17, and I am fairly certain could only be resolved with transplant surgery at this point.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: Ms Grace on April 14, 2014, 03:55:59 AM
Quote from: xiaocen on April 13, 2014, 10:52:13 PM
Most doctors say finasteride and minoxidil are the only effective way to treat male pattern hair loss.

Even though it doesn't necessarily do a lot for the forehead area it could be worth your while, stop the loss from expanding. If you're young it will probably be more effective.

I use those but am probably too far gone. If all else is lost (no pun intended) a good wig helps.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: xiaocen on April 14, 2014, 04:12:21 AM
Quote from: Ms Grace on April 14, 2014, 03:55:59 AM
Even though it doesn't necessarily do a lot for the forehead area it could be worth your while, stop the loss from expanding. If you're young it will probably be more effective.

I use those but am probably too far gone. If all else is lost (no pun intended) a good wig helps.
Can I use other anti androgen instead of finasteride?
Because I have already have the HRT treatment. I don't want to use two kinds of drugs at the same time.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: xiaocen on April 14, 2014, 04:16:37 AM
Quote from: Ms Grace on April 14, 2014, 03:55:59 AM
Even though it doesn't necessarily do a lot for the forehead area it could be worth your while, stop the loss from expanding. If you're young it will probably be more effective.

I use those but am probably too far gone. If all else is lost (no pun intended) a good wig helps.
thx for your advice. hugs
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: Alyssa Rae on April 14, 2014, 04:25:19 AM
Quote from: MbutF on April 14, 2014, 01:10:18 AM
It's pretty awful alright, I think, especially for transgender people.  :(
yes it is.  The fact that it's called "male" pattern baldness is insult to injury.  It's pretty disheartening, especially if I dwell on it.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: Ms Grace on April 14, 2014, 04:42:58 AM
Quote from: xiaocen on April 14, 2014, 04:12:21 AM
Can I use other anti androgen instead of finasteride?
Because I have already have the HRT treatment. I don't want to use two kinds of drugs at the same time.

If you're already on HRT and your T is low then there's probably no point using Finasteride. That's what my endo told me anyway. My HRT keeps my T very low, I have some regrowth with minoxidil and HRT but it may not be fully realised, if ever, for a number of years. Until I know for sure a wig is the only way to go.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: WaspWoman on April 14, 2014, 10:26:22 PM
Quote from: Ms Grace on April 14, 2014, 03:55:59 AM
Even though it doesn't necessarily do a lot for the forehead area it could be worth your while, stop the loss from expanding. If you're young it will probably be more effective.

I use those but am probably too far gone. If all else is lost (no pun intended) a good wig helps.

Ms Grace, do you feel satisfied wearing a wig? I have to admit this is one of my biggest worries. I haven't yet tried any wigs yet but you look so lovely, If I managed to look half as natural as you do I think I might be okay.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: meganB on April 15, 2014, 01:57:58 AM
Quote from: Ms Grace on April 14, 2014, 04:42:58 AM
If you're already on HRT and your T is low then there's probably no point using Finasteride. That's what my endo told me anyway. My HRT keeps my T very low, I have some regrowth with minoxidil and HRT but it may not be fully realised, if ever, for a number of years. Until I know for sure a wig is the only way to go.

True. If you are on HRT the thinning of the hair will stop and will most likely grow back (if it's not completely gone). An alternative to wig if you still have thin hair (because of starting to lose hair) you can use some kind of powder to cover it up. For me it helped alot.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: xiaocen on April 15, 2014, 02:10:08 AM
Quote from: meganB on April 15, 2014, 01:57:58 AM
True. If you are on HRT the thinning of the hair will stop and will most likely grow back (if it's not completely gone). An alternative to wig if you still have thin hair (because of starting to lose hair) you can use some kind of powder to cover it up. For me it helped alot.
I am on HRT, but the receding of the hairline doesn't stop.
My hair in my forehead area is very thin.
I can't make my hair beautiful as a woman.
I grow my hair long enough, and make bangs cover my forehead.
But the hair looks dully.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: Terracotta on April 20, 2014, 06:47:30 AM
I'm a bald trans-person, unfortunately I had some hairline recession at 17 so I was over it and shaved it all, best thing I've ever done.

People in general are often extremely intimidated by the beauty and sophistication levels of having strong features and a bald head.

Weirdly I get an insane level respect from heterosexual men, as bald than with a wig.

I don't enjoy wigs at all, I look less sophisticated and beautiful with hair - no matter how realistic or expensive.

Be yourself :)
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: TheQuestion on April 20, 2014, 07:19:58 AM
I've lost a good bit of hair over the last 4-5 years.  I still have a good deal, but my hairline is definitely receded a bit and I have some thinning in the crown area.  I've used minoxidil in the past and just got a prescription for fin.  I'm hoping to see a therapist very soon.  If I decide that I'm a reasonable candidate to transition and I do, I'm hoping hrt will halt any further loss, after which I plan on having my hairline and scalp "redone."

1) I believe hormones, so long as you aren't too far into the balding process, may halt and even thicken up hairs that have thinned.  DHT is what causes MPB, it's a male sex hormone and byproduct of testosterone; so lowering or eradicating you T levels should have an impact.  If that happens, your hair loss halts and/or thickens up, then you can have a hair transplant to lower and feminize your hairline and also thicken it across the whole scalp.  For this you would need to still have a decent bit of hair to donate.

2) Be careful with Rogaine/Minoxidil... it can screw up your face, literally.  I used minoxidil for about 6 months last year on every part of my scalp; hairline, crown, sides, etc...  I got drastic results, even on my hairline, but out of nowhere my skin seemed to be saggy and less springy.  It could be because I was weighing in at about 135-140lbs at 6'0" last summer; I also lost most of the fat in my face, which I feel awful about - but there are a lot of claims that support this and studies have shown that Minoxidil can imped collagen production in the skin. 

My skin seems to be recovering, I'd say it definitely has, but I still feel there's a bit more "healing" left.  I do have to say that I was using about 2 times, maybe a bit more, the required amount since I was using it on every part of my scalp, even areas that weren't thinning.  Overdosing on anything could have side effects.

3)If your going to use minoxidil, I'd also get on finnesteride.  Minoxidil will thicken up hairs that have thinned, it won't grow new hair, so if you have a slick area then it probably won't do anything.  Finnesteride will work in conjunction to this, like hrt, it will repress the DHT (not T) and halt further loss for a number of years (not in all cases, but for about 80%).
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: Hikari on April 20, 2014, 07:46:59 AM
Several Studies have shown Dutasteride to be very effective at reducing DHT as well, so there is at least one alternative to Finasteride. Dutasteride is also known as Avodart, and Finasteride as Propecia and Proscar. My hairline isn't bad, but I still take Dutasteride, to try and even out the hairline a bit.
Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: Rachel on April 20, 2014, 08:05:19 AM
I have been on finasteride for 13 months and HRT for 10 months. My T is <20 to 24 ng/dl. I am on the highest dose oral estradiol and as such there is SHbG which binds free T so how much free t I have is very low and the finasteride is inhibiting the enzyme that converts T to DHT by 60%. (dutasteride is 80% and the combined is even higher).

I have had about  50% hair recovery.

I just started a 0.5 dermal roller and topical liquid vitamin C on 4-15-2014.

I am seeking out another PRP provider as the last 2 appointments he could not perform due to the nurse being out and the 1st appointment he did not have me on the schedule. :(

Hair grows in cycles and only 10% are in the growth phase at a time. I think the growth cycle is 3 months but I could be wrong.

Time is key and restoring pathways of blood in the dermis, so I have read.

I may purchase a laser comb too.

Hair is my #1 issue too.

The above is from what I have read so take it with a grain of salt.

Title: Re: is there someone who suffers male pattern hair loss
Post by: JoanneB on April 20, 2014, 05:01:43 PM
I've been a member of the No Hair Club for Men since about 14 when it first started receeding. I think HRT has helped with hair  growth in my ears, that is about it.