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I started HRT young, and although my skin wasn't tough to begin with, it's gotten even softer from HRT (predictable).

However, I haven't really fully transitioned into women's clothing. So certain parts of my body are always getting "lines", and especially red spots from irritation of clothes rubbing against my skin from "rougher" men's clothing.

Although I know it'd still happen to a certain extent, it's really becoming annoying and painful in some instances.

Is there anything I can do to be less uncomfortable?

Go full time! ;) Or you could just try silk or nylon underthings between you and your clothing. :)

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on May 18, 2014, 05:56:42 PM
Go full time! ;) Or you could just try silk or nylon underthings between you and your clothing. :)

I won't be going full time until after SRS and FFS. But that's exactly where my biggest problem is, my underWEAR, area. So uncomfortable and annoying...

Hate to tell you this, but you are REQUIRED to be full time for one verifiable year before SRS. :)

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on May 18, 2014, 06:25:15 PM
Hate to tell you this, but you are REQUIRED to be full time for one verifiable year before SRS. :)

From my understanding most SRS surgeons require the patient to have completed the "Real-life test", which according to the SOC just changing your name can count as completion.

I could probably be considered full time besides not wearing women's underwear yet, which to me pre-SRS is cross dressing.

Quote from: teeg on May 18, 2014, 07:36:48 PM
From my understanding most SRS surgeons require the patient to have completed the "Real-life test", which according to the SOC just changing your name can count as completion.

Umm, no.. Social transition is usually required. Simply changing your name is not enough.

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I could probably be considered full time besides not wearing women's underwear yet, which to me pre-SRS is cross dressing.

So what about those of us who are non-op? I don't wear mens underwear, am I a cross dresser?

Quote from: kelly_aus on May 18, 2014, 07:56:47 PM
Umm, no.. Social transition is usually required. Simply changing your name is not enough.

So what about those of us who are non-op? I don't wear mens underwear, am I a cross dresser?

Being, "full time", is completely subjective. In my opinion, if someone makes it known that they're male or female and mentally are such, that's good enough. To require a MtF patient to be a Marilyn Monroe before surgery is stupid. To require a FtM patient to be a John Wayne before surgery is stupid.

In my opinion, if someone has male genitalia and wears women's underwear that's cross dressing. If someone has female genitalia and wears men's underwear, that's cross dressing.

We are not the enemy here. WPATH SOCs are very clear you HAVE to live as the preferred gender for one year, no exceptions. No full time presentation, No SRS, period. :)

Quote from: teeg on May 18, 2014, 08:18:38 PM
Being, "full time", is completely subjective. In my opinion, if someone makes it known that they're male or female and mentally are such, that's good enough. To require a MtF patient to be a Marilyn Monroe before surgery is stupid. To require a FtM patient to be a John Wayne before surgery is stupid.

That's your opinion and if it works for you, great.. Just be aware that the medical profession doesn't agree.

QuoteIn my opinion, if someone has male genitalia and wears women's underwear that's cross dressing. If someone has female genitalia and wears men's underwear, that's cross dressing.

I cannot have SRS for medical reasons, and I find your implication that I am merely a cross dresser to be quite offensive. I suppose you think those who don't have SRS are not women..

OTOH, my therapist is happy to write my SRS letter at any time. Is yours?

Quote from: kelly_aus on May 18, 2014, 08:57:52 PM
my therapist is happy to write my SRS letter at any time. Is yours?

Which WPATH says you have to have two of. One from Therapist/Psychologist and one from Psychiatrist. That is correct isn't it Kelly? :)

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on May 18, 2014, 08:59:56 PM
Which WPATH says you have to have two of. One from Therapist/Psychologist and one from Psychiatrist. That is correct isn't it Kelly? :)

Indeed it is correct.. My therapist is a psychiatrist. Getting my second letter, or having my primary shrinks letter countersigned, would also be a non-issue.

Quote from: teeg on May 18, 2014, 08:18:38 PM
Being, "full time", is completely subjective. In my opinion, if someone makes it known that they're male or female and mentally are such, that's good enough. To require a MtF patient to be a Marilyn Monroe before surgery is stupid. To require a FtM patient to be a John Wayne before surgery is stupid.

In my opinion, if someone has male genitalia and wears women's underwear that's cross dressing. If someone has female genitalia and wears men's underwear, that's cross dressing.

I hate to break it to you but being a woman is far more than a vagina. Something tells me your going to be in for a rude awakening if your able to go through with this plan it takes a lot more than a surgery to be a woman and the social part of transition is far more important to your future than the physical part of transition. I don't want to sound harsh but if you really think you can just have a couple of surgeries and poof your woman your probably going to cause yourself a lot more pain and suffering and a whole lot of regret. To be honest what your doing is why detransitionings happen you really need to think this out further it sounds like you still have a lot of fear if you won't even try to live full time prior to surgery. Transitioning is not really about physical changes it's about mental and emotional changes and accepting who you are and not being ashamed of that.

Teeg, no one is jumping on you here, but you do need to go over the WPATH SOCs. There is a copy of them here. We are just trying to help you out with education, that's all. We all help each others so post transition regret does not have such a great chance to rear it's ugly head. Go into this blind and without experience and you are on a course for disaster. We don't want to see that happen or you wind up as a statistic.  You should really find a Therapist for assistance in your journey.  :)

Teeg, I have to agree with the the girls here. It's really for your own good, you might not see it now but you will, in the future. Trust me! Living fulltime before surgery is in your best interest.

To get this thread back on track, looser clothing can be useful.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on May 18, 2014, 06:25:15 PM
Hate to tell you this, but you are REQUIRED to be full time for one verifiable year before SRS. :)

Its widely known this is the WPATH rule, but....  There are doctors out there who do perform SRS without a WPATH letter and just the patient consent and $$$$$.

Is it Ethical or right? maybe not exactly, but it happens. Going overseas many get SRS without any WPATH formal documents.  I heard of cases where you get to the overseas location and they send you to a local psychiatrist who gives a letter just out of formality so the surgeon can say he follows WPATH.

Quote from: kelly_aus on May 18, 2014, 08:57:52 PM
That's your opinion and if it works for you, great.. Just be aware that the medical profession doesn't agree.

I cannot have SRS for medical reasons, and I find your implication that I am merely a cross dresser to be quite offensive. I suppose you think those who don't have SRS are not women..

OTOH, my therapist is happy to write my SRS letter at any time. Is yours?

My psychologist was the one who introduced me to that thought, that people's gender presentation in terms of masculinity and femininity isn't black and white, perhaps medical professionals are a little more open minded than expecting people to only wear dresses or shirts and ties.

Apologies for any misconceptions since I was trying to keep things brief, but for me personally wearing women's underwear pre-SRS, anatomically speaking, doesn't work too well. If it works for others, great.

My psychologists, both PhDs, have already written and submitted their letters of recommendation.

Quote from: Heather on May 18, 2014, 09:36:19 PM
I hate to break it to you but being a woman is far more than a vagina. Something tells me your going to be in for a rude awakening if your able to go through with this plan it takes a lot more than a surgery to be a woman and the social part of transition is far more important to your future than the physical part of transition. I don't want to sound harsh but if you really think you can just have a couple of surgeries and poof your woman your probably going to cause yourself a lot more pain and suffering and a whole lot of regret. To be honest what your doing is why detransitionings happen you really need to think this out further it sounds like you still have a lot of fear if you won't even try to live full time prior to surgery. Transitioning is not really about physical changes it's about mental and emotional changes and accepting who you are and not being ashamed of that.

This may only be my opinion, but to me, there's a difference between being emotionally and physically female or male. That difference is the whole premise of being transgender — being emotionally and physically mismatched. If someone has a penis, to me they're physically a male — if someone has a vagina, to me they're physically female. There are many who share this sentiment.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on May 18, 2014, 09:53:55 PM
Teeg, no one is jumping on you here, but you do need to go over the WPATH SOCs. There is a copy of them here. We are just trying to help you out with education, that's all. We all help each others so post transition regret does not have such a great chance to rear it's ugly head. Go into this blind and without experience and you are on a course for disaster. We don't want to see that happen or you wind up as a statistic.  You should really find a Therapist for assistance in your journey.  :)

Again, I may have misspoke in my original post and I apologize for that especially if anyone was offended or hurt by anything I may have said or implied. I appreciate everyone's concern about if I'm really ready for SRS or not, and although I didn't want to get too much into personal details, socially and emotionally I am a woman, however I realize that a major part of my body is not female, so in a way I felt if I began living full-time it'd feel like I'm lying to people with that vital part of my body being incorrect. However, after a little thought, especial about this thread, I'm going to begin living full-time, making sure the little aspects of my life that are still male are corrected.

The medical world will require one year of documented day to day gender role switching to consider you for srs. The doctors wont be "nice" and risk their phd's getting sued from a patient who was allowed to be operated on outside of practice. Plus you must also pass their "individual" requirements in their own office. 

Getting on HRT is the first step and changing to a full female wardrobe is also necessary and very expensive.  If your getting lines from tight clothing then go up a size or two. Also try to wear a waist cincher or corset to help slip your mid section for a more female shape. (this will help you fit into female clothes)

Wish you luck, I understand what your going through.  :-*

Quote from: teeg on May 21, 2014, 10:46:54 PM
My psychologist was the one who introduced me to that thought, that people's gender presentation in terms of masculinity and femininity isn't black and white, perhaps medical professionals are a little more open minded than expecting people to only wear dresses or shirts and ties.

I've never specified how one should dress.. And I'm the last one to enforce gender stereotypes. My primary therapist has suggested on occasion the idea of me being more genderqueer than straight MTF, a concept that, with time, I've been forced to admit has some merit.. He's also never had any expectations that I'll present as anything. He just expects me to present in a manner I find comfortable.