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Title: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Thundra on July 22, 2007, 01:26:52 PM
Post by: Thundra on July 22, 2007, 01:26:52 PM
I am always amused by the very nature of the phrase ~ deep stealth.
It always makes me chuckle to myself when I read it. Sounds so militaristic.
But, it is a part of many people's lives. How do you view yourself on the stealth scale if there were one? Please feel free to make other suggestions for options.
The poll is always anonymous, of course.
It always makes me chuckle to myself when I read it. Sounds so militaristic.
But, it is a part of many people's lives. How do you view yourself on the stealth scale if there were one? Please feel free to make other suggestions for options.
The poll is always anonymous, of course.
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Buffy on July 22, 2007, 08:55:39 PM
Post by: Buffy on July 22, 2007, 08:55:39 PM
Yes , I do stealth.
My choice, because I can.
Buffy
My choice, because I can.
Buffy
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Kate on July 22, 2007, 09:59:10 PM
Post by: Kate on July 22, 2007, 09:59:10 PM
Assuming I can ever BE stealthy, I'd go with "Don't ask, don't tell, don't deny."
I just want to put this trans stuff behind me and move on. I don't want to make it an issue by hiding it OR being an activist. I want it to become no more important than the fact that I once had chickenpox. Sure, it happened.. what of it? That sorta thing.
In my dreamworld, I'll just end up as just another woman - just with an exotic history.
~Kate~
I just want to put this trans stuff behind me and move on. I don't want to make it an issue by hiding it OR being an activist. I want it to become no more important than the fact that I once had chickenpox. Sure, it happened.. what of it? That sorta thing.
In my dreamworld, I'll just end up as just another woman - just with an exotic history.
~Kate~
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: LynnER on July 22, 2007, 10:35:08 PM
Post by: LynnER on July 22, 2007, 10:35:08 PM
I dont advertise, but I dont deny it either if directly asked. :)
IF the person needs to know imho I will tell them, but so few need to know... and anyone that figures it out diserves a cookie anyways LoL <its impossable to be "stealth" in your home town but its easy to blend in most of the time>
IF the person needs to know imho I will tell them, but so few need to know... and anyone that figures it out diserves a cookie anyways LoL <its impossable to be "stealth" in your home town but its easy to blend in most of the time>
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Wendy on July 22, 2007, 10:53:42 PM
Post by: Wendy on July 22, 2007, 10:53:42 PM
Thundra,
Stealth is secretive but it can refer to pre or post transition. Some people transition and live in stealth to try and gain some privacy and just blend in. Others have not transitioned and live in stealth to minimize negative repercussions such as related to employment or spouse, etc. because they feel uncomfortable in not being able to blend in.
Stealth is secretive but it can refer to pre or post transition. Some people transition and live in stealth to try and gain some privacy and just blend in. Others have not transitioned and live in stealth to minimize negative repercussions such as related to employment or spouse, etc. because they feel uncomfortable in not being able to blend in.
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Hazumu on July 23, 2007, 12:01:35 AM
Post by: Hazumu on July 23, 2007, 12:01:35 AM
It depends on where I am.
Shopping/mall/movies/buying a pack of gum/normal day-to-day whatever -- no, I don't out myself nor want to be outed. I haven't yet been tested by anyone who read me and then couldn't leave it alone. That incident happened to another t-woman here in town recently at a fast-food restaurant -- and she REALLY passes well.
Work -- many knew me before. I can't deny it -- I just do my job. But, with personnel turnover, I still encounter new people who don't (yet) know my background. And until someone 'brings them up to speed' about me, if I pass to them, so much the better.
Important activist things -- Yeah, being out is an important part of activism -- being visible in order to raise awareness. But I try to strive to be seen as just another person, once you factor out the sensational fact I'm trans.
My answer was "I don't think about it", meaning 'So what? It ain't gonna' change the fact that I'm trans, and that occasionally I and someone else'll have to deal with some discomfort.'
Karen
Shopping/mall/movies/buying a pack of gum/normal day-to-day whatever -- no, I don't out myself nor want to be outed. I haven't yet been tested by anyone who read me and then couldn't leave it alone. That incident happened to another t-woman here in town recently at a fast-food restaurant -- and she REALLY passes well.
Work -- many knew me before. I can't deny it -- I just do my job. But, with personnel turnover, I still encounter new people who don't (yet) know my background. And until someone 'brings them up to speed' about me, if I pass to them, so much the better.
Important activist things -- Yeah, being out is an important part of activism -- being visible in order to raise awareness. But I try to strive to be seen as just another person, once you factor out the sensational fact I'm trans.
My answer was "I don't think about it", meaning 'So what? It ain't gonna' change the fact that I'm trans, and that occasionally I and someone else'll have to deal with some discomfort.'
Karen
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: katia on July 23, 2007, 12:04:58 AM
Post by: katia on July 23, 2007, 12:04:58 AM
stealth because i want to.
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Fer on July 23, 2007, 05:46:48 PM
Post by: Fer on July 23, 2007, 05:46:48 PM
I do stealth too. My reasons arent important, but quite frankly it comes down to what Buffy said. Only a person that can is able to do stealth.
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Sarah Louise on July 24, 2007, 08:57:39 AM
Post by: Sarah Louise on July 24, 2007, 08:57:39 AM
I don't think about it. It isn't like my family, people I work with, friends (of which I never had many) don't know. Of course they do.
But I just live my life, going about my business, living each day and trying not to worry about others around me. I don't draw stares, most people don't have the time to worry about others. I have never been questioned by any salesperson, waitress, or person on the street.
I'm not an activist, I don't go around yelling on the street, I'm a transsexual. It isn't any of their business.
Sarah L.
But I just live my life, going about my business, living each day and trying not to worry about others around me. I don't draw stares, most people don't have the time to worry about others. I have never been questioned by any salesperson, waitress, or person on the street.
I'm not an activist, I don't go around yelling on the street, I'm a transsexual. It isn't any of their business.
Sarah L.
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Lisbeth on July 24, 2007, 09:25:30 AM
Post by: Lisbeth on July 24, 2007, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: Sarah Louise on July 24, 2007, 08:57:39 AMBeing an activist doesn't mean going around yelling on the street. It does mean going out and giving talks, meeting with elected officials and church officials, working on committees, and not being afraid of telling the truth about your past.
I don't think about it. It isn't like my family, people I work with, friends (of which I never had many) don't know. Of course they do.
But I just live my life, going about my business, living each day and trying not to worry about others around me. I don't draw stares, most people don't have the time to worry about others. I have never been questioned by any salesperson, waitress, or person on the street.
I'm not an activist, I don't go around yelling on the street, I'm a transsexual. It isn't any of their business.
Sarah L.
What would be the point in going around correcting people who call you "ma'am?" ("sir" for you guys) Isn't that what you want in the first place? We enjoy it when people take us at face value for who we know we are inside. But at the same time an activist has to be ready to get up and educate people about her/his experiences. Only this way can the culture change. Change does not come from theoretical knowledge. It comes from personally meeting those "other" people and learning that they (a) are not scary and (b) have a life that they want to live too.
I really enjoyed it about two years ago when I gave a talk to one college class. I arrived before the instructor, so I sat down in the hall where the students were waiting. I started eavesdropping on a couple of them who were talking about the upcoming presentation and wondering who the guest speaker was going to be. For a few minutes I enjoyed being stealth while knowing that by the end of the hour I would never be stealth to these young people again.
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Thundra on July 24, 2007, 06:05:35 PM
Post by: Thundra on July 24, 2007, 06:05:35 PM
I find it interesting that only women have answered the poll.
Can someone make Kiera's dream come true? Not that one, the one she posted!
Wendy, thank you for the correction. I was remiss. I'd only remembered hearing the term used in the context of a person that finished their transtion, and then said they were "going stealth." If I offended anyone, I apologize.
Thundra
Can someone make Kiera's dream come true? Not that one, the one she posted!
Wendy, thank you for the correction. I was remiss. I'd only remembered hearing the term used in the context of a person that finished their transtion, and then said they were "going stealth." If I offended anyone, I apologize.
Thundra
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Jeannette on July 24, 2007, 06:07:15 PM
Post by: Jeannette on July 24, 2007, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: Fer on July 23, 2007, 05:46:48 PM
Only a person that can is able to do stealth.
I can so I do
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Sheila on July 24, 2007, 07:08:05 PM
Post by: Sheila on July 24, 2007, 07:08:05 PM
I don't think about it. I will go out and advocate for transgender people all over. I'm kind of an activist, but I have gone inward on that one. I'm not afraid or ashamed of who I am, just I don't think that they have the right to know unless I feel like telling them, boring story. So, I just don't think about it anymore. That is where I'm at now.
Sheila
Sheila
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: cindianna_jones on July 25, 2007, 02:13:54 AM
Post by: cindianna_jones on July 25, 2007, 02:13:54 AM
I live in stealth. I have never talked about it with my closest friends.
My very best friend is TS herself so we are completely open with each other... but what we end up talking about is interior decorating, golf, or shopping. We haven't talked about TS issues for many many years.
I worked hard and went through hell so that I could live my life as a female. I really don't want to be known as anything else.
Cindi
My very best friend is TS herself so we are completely open with each other... but what we end up talking about is interior decorating, golf, or shopping. We haven't talked about TS issues for many many years.
I worked hard and went through hell so that I could live my life as a female. I really don't want to be known as anything else.
Cindi
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Yvonne on July 25, 2007, 03:07:34 AM
Post by: Yvonne on July 25, 2007, 03:07:34 AM
Because of my employment, I have no choice but to be stealth. Dunno any trans girls in Frankfurt but I'm not going to say there arent any.
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Berliegh on July 25, 2007, 04:14:16 AM
Post by: Berliegh on July 25, 2007, 04:14:16 AM
...I can never understand people who have personalised websites gloryfying the fact that they are transsexual and have a diary....'this is me in 2001'....and 'this is my operation'......this is me before' ..........It is up to the individual but I wouldn't do it.
Yes, it's a transition but I think it's better to keep quiet and not publicise the fact. If I had a website it wouldn't be anything to do with transitioning. Some might say it's informative but I find it a bit tacky.....
I agree with going stealth and it's vital for survival as a female..
Yes, it's a transition but I think it's better to keep quiet and not publicise the fact. If I had a website it wouldn't be anything to do with transitioning. Some might say it's informative but I find it a bit tacky.....
I agree with going stealth and it's vital for survival as a female..
Title: Re: To stealth or not to stealth
Post by: Thundra on July 25, 2007, 07:42:59 PM
Post by: Thundra on July 25, 2007, 07:42:59 PM
Honey, if I wrote a book about my crazy life, no one would believe me anyway.
I have no regrets. Life is for living, not for watching and waiting and hoping.
Still, I do not remember ever reading a book about someone that went to the very edge, and then came back. Or about domeone that wasn't really either/or, so maybe I have a niche?
or a crook. Or maybe a cranny? LOL.
I have a friend that just got a book advance, and it was multiples of 6 figures. People love reading about weird s&%$, so I would definitely get more than she did. Autobiographies beat out non-fiction any day. Weird sells, just like sex sells.
Are you blushing little one? Awww, how cute! I have no shame. I have enough self-esteem for any five people.
I have no regrets. Life is for living, not for watching and waiting and hoping.
Still, I do not remember ever reading a book about someone that went to the very edge, and then came back. Or about domeone that wasn't really either/or, so maybe I have a niche?
or a crook. Or maybe a cranny? LOL.
I have a friend that just got a book advance, and it was multiples of 6 figures. People love reading about weird s&%$, so I would definitely get more than she did. Autobiographies beat out non-fiction any day. Weird sells, just like sex sells.
Quote(you might be giving her ideas and lord knows we don't want her sharing any more details with us than she already has LOL )
Are you blushing little one? Awww, how cute! I have no shame. I have enough self-esteem for any five people.