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Title: Non-op body builder questions for masculine identified
Post by: Tadpole on August 07, 2014, 08:10:31 PM
Post by: Tadpole on August 07, 2014, 08:10:31 PM
Hey guys, I have a question for you. Any non-op females on here looking for a more masculine appearance without the use of testosterone hormones? I'm looking to do whatever I can to make my muscles stronger and more masculine looking and am up for anything legal. I've seen a lot of supplements geared towards men on the market and I wonder about the safety of them in use of women who do are not going hormone treatment. The biggest ones I'm interested in are the supplements marketed to men to boost natural testosterone (since I've heard females have small amounts of testosterone already). Has anyone tried this? Do you think it is safe? I'm also interested in steroids (though I suspect they're illegal) and supplements that boost fat metabolism and muscle gain such as whey protein or other weight loss/exercise supplements. But especially the first one. Do you have any experience positive or negative that you are willing to share about the use of testosterone booster supplements or steroids in women? Thank you for your time.
Title: Re: Non-op body builder questions for masculine identified
Post by: anon22 on November 02, 2014, 03:34:13 PM
Post by: anon22 on November 02, 2014, 03:34:13 PM
I know this is old, but I'm interested in the same thing. I'm not female, but body is estrogen dominant with associated fat patterns (medium chest, small waist, large hips).
Not interested in a very muscular physique, just a more masculine one.
What I've heard about testosterone boosting supplements, is that they only boost testosterone production in cis men, and not with a significant effect as HRT. I've also heard that diets that boost testosterone levels/lower estrogen levels don't have a large effect. People call the use of testosterone boosters and supplements "natural transitioning", though there's some controversy on whether it's effective or even safe.
http://drakensberg.tumblr.com/post/44508029806/natural-transitioning-for-trans-men-is-a-myth (http://drakensberg.tumblr.com/post/44508029806/natural-transitioning-for-trans-men-is-a-myth)
Steroids are dangerous to health, particularly the heart and liver, so I would recommend against using those.
I can't say anything about whey protein or other supplements, as I've had no experience with them. Here is an article found on Google: http://www.muscleandfitness.com/supplements/build-muscle/11-best-supplements-mass (http://www.muscleandfitness.com/supplements/build-muscle/11-best-supplements-mass)
I hope we can find a safe solution to this.
Not interested in a very muscular physique, just a more masculine one.
What I've heard about testosterone boosting supplements, is that they only boost testosterone production in cis men, and not with a significant effect as HRT. I've also heard that diets that boost testosterone levels/lower estrogen levels don't have a large effect. People call the use of testosterone boosters and supplements "natural transitioning", though there's some controversy on whether it's effective or even safe.
http://drakensberg.tumblr.com/post/44508029806/natural-transitioning-for-trans-men-is-a-myth (http://drakensberg.tumblr.com/post/44508029806/natural-transitioning-for-trans-men-is-a-myth)
Steroids are dangerous to health, particularly the heart and liver, so I would recommend against using those.
I can't say anything about whey protein or other supplements, as I've had no experience with them. Here is an article found on Google: http://www.muscleandfitness.com/supplements/build-muscle/11-best-supplements-mass (http://www.muscleandfitness.com/supplements/build-muscle/11-best-supplements-mass)
I hope we can find a safe solution to this.
Title: Re: Non-op body builder questions for masculine identified
Post by: Tysilio on November 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Post by: Tysilio on November 02, 2014, 06:03:57 PM
Whey protein, and other protein supplements from reliable sources, are probably OK. I'd be very leery of messing with most other dietary supplements; they're not regulated by government agencies, and they have a track record of containing some dangerous, even illegal ingredients -- included to make users feel good and/or get results that aren't due to the supplement they think they're taking: steroids, methamphetamine and related substances, Viagra, weight loss drugs, and more.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141021162025.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141021162025.htm
Title: Re: Non-op body builder questions for masculine identified
Post by: steyraug96 on March 18, 2016, 03:24:24 PM
Post by: steyraug96 on March 18, 2016, 03:24:24 PM
Late to the party, but...
First off, men and women can work out the same. Women generally don't have the androgens to build the same mass, but they can train the same ways and see gains.
Target certain muscles, especially back and traps, to build the appearance. You'll LOOK bigger. Size itself is secondary, it's an appearance of power you'll want. (you'll also HAVE the power, mind.)
Look up Hugh Jackman from Wolverine, and Trans-Health's "Building for visual mass."
Next, squats. Work on the form, but heavy squats. Butt to grass squats. Limit the use of the gluteus maximus, get your butt low. This will produce more HGH. HGH = more growth...
Whey protein after a workout. ASAP. Other supplements, maybe - suggest fat burners and lots of HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training). You want to keep the fat off the female-deposit sections.
Then, do low-intensity cardio, like a good walk, to use the triglycerides you released into the blood - otherwise it can go right back into the adipocytes.
Heavy weights all around, sets of 10, train like a body builder. (5/3/1 might work, too, but is meant for strength training.) PowerBuilding might be a good compromise, if you see rapid gains.
Lastly, consider researching ketogenic diet. You'll keep burning fat, and low carbs will keep your insulin low and sensitize you to its effects, meaning, you can time & tune your meals to boost muscle hypertrophy.
Note ketogenic can't be used as a permanent diet, though.
-Dianna
First off, men and women can work out the same. Women generally don't have the androgens to build the same mass, but they can train the same ways and see gains.
Target certain muscles, especially back and traps, to build the appearance. You'll LOOK bigger. Size itself is secondary, it's an appearance of power you'll want. (you'll also HAVE the power, mind.)
Look up Hugh Jackman from Wolverine, and Trans-Health's "Building for visual mass."
Next, squats. Work on the form, but heavy squats. Butt to grass squats. Limit the use of the gluteus maximus, get your butt low. This will produce more HGH. HGH = more growth...
Whey protein after a workout. ASAP. Other supplements, maybe - suggest fat burners and lots of HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training). You want to keep the fat off the female-deposit sections.
Then, do low-intensity cardio, like a good walk, to use the triglycerides you released into the blood - otherwise it can go right back into the adipocytes.
Heavy weights all around, sets of 10, train like a body builder. (5/3/1 might work, too, but is meant for strength training.) PowerBuilding might be a good compromise, if you see rapid gains.
Lastly, consider researching ketogenic diet. You'll keep burning fat, and low carbs will keep your insulin low and sensitize you to its effects, meaning, you can time & tune your meals to boost muscle hypertrophy.
Note ketogenic can't be used as a permanent diet, though.
-Dianna