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I'm talking about ->-bleeped-<- like this
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87815
http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems

It really worries me to see so many feminists who believe in killing or castrating all men. There was that dreadful hashtag and now there is this. It terrifies me because I am already horrified with my body and the gender I was born in. It makes me want to kill myself as it is. Its not funny, it shouldn't be joked about. People like me are very sensitive to this sort of discussion. I could really do without the ironic / not ironic "misandry" too. Its not a "notallmen" thing. Its a "stop telling a sensitive person to kill themselves" thing. Its also not funny. Just cut it out. Don't castrate me. Don't kill me. I would say not murdering me or castrating me or calling for the above is a fairly reasonable demand.

It's ironic that they would say something like "let's kill 90% of the male population", when there are some freaks out there that honestly believe that killing off 90% of the entire human population is a good idea. They would be wiped out along with virtually everyone else.

i've read the thing and my only response is wtf?!?!?!

Yeah that's just crazy and mean.

Misandrist genocidal Hitleresque rubbish.

Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on August 14, 2014, 10:24:50 PM
i've read the thing and my only response is wtf?!?!?!

That was my first response.

I can't take that lady seriously.  This has to be a joke.  I'd like to think it is... I'd like to think.  If she really is serious, then she has problems.   

Quote from: Ms Grace on August 14, 2014, 10:28:46 PM
Misandrist genocidal Hitleresque rubbish.

That's the first thing I thought as well, but more like OMG!!! One of Hitler's great grandchildren?

Quote from: V M on August 14, 2014, 10:46:30 PM
That's the first thing I thought as well, but more like OMG!!! One of Hitler's great grandchildren?

i hate to say it but she is worse than hitler. she has surpassed any anti christ to have ever existed. castrating the male population is a death sentence for all of humanity.

Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on August 14, 2014, 11:02:37 PM
i hate to say it but she is worse than hitler. she has surpassed any anti christ to have ever existed. castrating the male population is a death sentence for all of humanity.

Wow, quite the news flash, sure shocked me with that bit of info. Better get on the phone and start calling all the TV and Radio stations ASAP

Even if its a joke, its not funny and I really wish people would stop doing these.

Um, yea, this is a little over the top even for me to take. This borders of fascism with a good dose of communism mixed in and I'm horrified some of my female brethren actually believe this fenatical horse->-bleeped-<-. Please excuse the language but that is what this is, fenatical horse->-bleeped-<-! :rolleyes: :icon_chuckel: :eusa_hand:

Ali :icon_flower:

Eh, every group has their lunatic fringe. 

22 year old criminology student with a three year old. She is right though and hopefully the state will take her three year old and let a loving accepting couple adopt him or her instead of that poor child growing up around her hate and insanity. What if her three year old is a boy. Will she do a home castration when he hits puberty?

It's got to be a joke or I at least hope it is anyway. Criminology student and with a three year old really worries me. What if people like her, if this isn't a joke, gain political power? What is with the radical feminist movement? Are they all just going nuts or did they eat a bad batch of brownies or take a bunch of insane pills?

Yeah, very few people take stuff like that seriously, I wouldn't even bother reading what people like that have to say.

Oh my word, I'm truly sorry that exposure to that type of callous thing has had such a draining effect on you Leslie, you're inherently entitled to better. The links you provided read like the work of Elliot Rodgers in that it's the mirror of his suggestion that a small proportion of women be allowed to survive in concentration camps.

Having said that, I expect this type of thing gets so much attention due to the sensationalism bringing in advertisement revenue for media sites. Similarly, I expect there's questionable political pressure to focus on the infinitesimal minority of objectionable feminists advocating such vile notions since it legitimises the way in which much of society dismisses and defames them as a whole. Personally, I see these people as reprehensible but don't expect every other feminist to account for extremists. It's somewhat similar to the way I don't expect all Muslims to constantly disavow extremist Islamists. It's unfair of me to generalise in the first place and simply drains energy from minorities by making them loop through conditional hoops to be seen as legitimate.

With regard to 'killallmen,' I was under the impression that it was originally created by trolls from a politics board on 4chan to try to discredit feminists in the same way that they had masqueraded as women of colour or trans women in order to start horrific hashtags that they could then use to discredit activists. Somewhat similar to them starting the myth about a 'free bleeding' movement. Is that not the case? Oh dear if that wasn't the case. :(

As for ironic 'misandry,' I would never engage in it personally but I have feminist friends that do sometimes. I somewhat dislike it for precisely the reasons outlined in the opening post but, at the same time, I also see it as very loosely akin to gay people generalising straight people, trans people generalising cis people, or black people generalising white people. Of course, each of those isn't equal in its uses or emotional roots but I tend to think the underlying purpose is fundamentally somewhat similar. By generalising, I think such people are attacking the overarching notion of their oppressor class rather than judging every individual member of it. For me, it allows the oppressed to crystallise the oppressor in their mind, unify behind that notion, and purge stress by sharing negative emotions when they're presented with a particularly odious little twerp. It seems to help my friends' distress so I tend not to object to it because they've repeatedly made it clear that it's not really applicable to every individual in the group, just the concept of the class itself. If I knew they had trans friends that were being hurt by it then I'd immediately talk with them and will probably have a discussion to at least let them factor into their considerations anyway since my hypothetical worry has been shown to actually happen by the opening post.

You think by now people would have learned that genocide is never the answer. In my opinion people who say stuff like that aren't real feminists, Feminism is defined as advocating gender equality. Misandry and transphobia have a frightening presence in the feminist community, and in my opinion if we want equality we're going to have to stop it.

All I can say is that, they are NOT real feminist. Feminist are there in the name of sisterhood, to help one another out.
Not to shoo off anything with a "peen" or anyone who is against.
And honest, I am against this modern feminist group crap because they try to make EVERYTHING about them
and a "struggle".
I remember reading a copy of an article someone wrote (either 4chan or ->-bleeped-<-)
about how "cisfemales can be trans/trans* if they wanted to" and how they could wear clothes to make them feel
more masculine.....when in all reality,that has NOTHING to deal with trans people and it was something else about how
transwomen don't count with some ....stupid ass reason (I'll see if I can find it)
Anyways....I wrote this prior to reading the link. I am going to do that now.

After reading this....
It actually made my stomach cold. This much must be joking.
Just saying. If she touch anyone of you guys or my friends,
just know I have your back.

I feel like I shouldn't take it seriously, but hearing someone spewing such misguided hateful speech always hurts even when it's not directed at me...

This is fenatiscism pure and simple. And fenatics like this are those who lead cults, which this sounds a lot like. The world has enough trouble without these idiots spewing this garbage under the guise of feminism. Don't get me wrong I'm all for feminism and equal rights for both trans and cis women in the workplace and beyond. But garbage like this stands to hurt the cause, not promote it.

Ali :icon_flower:

Quote from: Allyda on August 17, 2014, 01:44:33 PM
This is fenatiscism pure and simple. And fenatics like this are those who lead cults, which this sounds a lot like. The world has enough trouble without these idiots spewing this garbage under the guise of feminism. Don't get me wrong I'm all for feminism and equal rights for both trans and cis women in the workplace and beyond. But garbage like this stands to hurt the cause, not promote it.

Ali :icon_flower:

Amen!
Lol, I think I would get the heat with those people since I'm FTM.
But I'm glad I don't know them.

Quote from: Ms Grace on August 14, 2014, 10:28:46 PM
Misandrist genocidal Hitleresque rubbish.

My thoughts.  I couldn't take these people seriously.

I say ignore it/let it die.

There have always been these fringe groups that want to exterminate and/or reduce human life on Earth. One of them is VHEMt which stands for Voluntary Human Extiction Movement. Basically a group of people who want to remove human population through attrition.

I can't say that less overpopulation would be a bad thing, but these people are extreme.

Well I'm glad the folks at Susan's Place definitely agree this hashtag movement is disgusting. To be fair, it only took some feminists stating that gay men are, by virtue of the simple fact that they're into having sex with only men, even more misogynistic than straight men, to make me feel uncomfortable with regarding feminism positively (as I pretty much identify as a gay man), and these sort of things are just ways in which they keep shooting themselves in the foot.

This honestly is terrifying. The fact that there's nothing we can really do about it is even more terrifying. If I see this anywhere on the web being supported, I'll do my best to bring reason to these people's minds so that they can pull their heads out of their asses and see the truth. She's brainwashed (not literally) Every single one of her followers. They're being taught these things and if it goes on for too long, their children and children's children will mindlessly become like their parents because at that point they won't know any better. That's how it works with every religion. They follow what's taught to them until they decide to break away after gaining more accurate knowledge from a perspective outside of the one they're being taught.

~Mostly Male

Quote from: echo_artist on August 17, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
All I can say is that, they are NOT real feminist. Feminist are there in the name of sisterhood, to help one another out.

She identifies herself as a feminist. She aggressively wears the label. She, whether other feminists like it or not, is in the movement. We can invoke No True Scotsman all we like but that doesn't change that there are horrible people in the movement and they are alienating what would have been potential allies from their cause. Even casual ironic ~*misandry*~ has made me give up on the movement entirely. (Spare me the dictionary definition of feminism. I've seen it.)

Instead of dismissing them as harmless, decent feminists should be confronting people like this. If only because they're harming YOUR movement.

Funny how people tend to say "that's fascist!", "that's like Hitler!" or "that's communist!", none of which has anything to do with the subject (an irrational person demanding death or castration for an entire class of people).

What those phrases do have in common, however, is what is known as "appeal to emotion", which is a logical fallacy.

Maybe I should've spelled it "phallacy"  :-\...at any rate it illustrates a similar emotion-based thought process, rather than reasoning things out. Fairly common in the world of humans, I'm afraid.

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