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I m posting because i m planning on getting my srs , and i am still not sure wich surgeron to choose .
I came down to two choices dr suporn and dr brassard , and i am still unsure wich one to choose , cost and the travel time is not too much of a consideration .
From what i researched they both seems rather good , and they have a different technique .
I feel reassured about brassard for the aesthetic and the recovery , but i am worried mostly about the depth with him since i prefer guys , suporn would be better for depth but what worries me about suporn is the aestethic , that it seems that his chonburi organ can take some place , and i have even read that he leaves a lot of erectile tissues, and i m not sure to want of that , and even maybe the testis i read  , and i really dont want the testis to remain , i want them out , yet i would be reassured with him mostly for the depth , but what i just wrote above makes me think maybe it would be better with brassard and the depth might turn okay ? Yet i m not sure . :o , i do not really know wich one to choose at times , other times i tell myself i could go with suporn and the aesthetic might be okay and i could make sure to ask him to remove the testis if its possible , other time i tell myself i could go with brassard and the depth might be good enough , or other times i still dont know and maybe i still dont know much about them or how it will turn out to be for me  and i m not sure wich to choose then , thats why i post this , if you have any advice or info about them or either of them .

A Montreal girl here.

Depth 5 1/2-6 inches is his normal safe depth.

Look there are many threads here on Dr. Brassard.

I feel his cost and resident staffed care is so worth a consider.

I went to Brassard, and I'll answer any questions you have. I got 5.5" of depth, and that's adequate for me; not enormous, but honestly, how much you get is also down to your specific body and I'm not that tall, so. :)

Cis women are around 5" when fully aroused, if it helps (the vagina shrinks/collapses when not aroused, so that's the average maximum depth, in other words). Most of them don't have any problems with normal to long-ish men, say 5-7" penises. And a guy with a penis over 8" is already going to be aware that he causes depth problems for many women!

Whilst depth was not a major issue for me I was faced with a similar shortlist.

Some of the factors I took into account ...

Reports of Dr Brassard's results were great.
I was unsettled by reports of complications of Dr Supporn's work ... whilst I have heard that his more complex procedure can give better results (sensation wise) it also seems to have a longer recovery period with more complications.  I had also got the sense that his attitude had shifted from a time a few years back when he would have been a no brainer.
Cost was about the same.
Dr B has a much shorter time "under" ... I guess as he and Dr Belanger work as a pair.  Less recovery time, less risk.
Neither Dr Brassard or Dr Supporn require pre-op genital hair removal.
I liked the sound of the Montreal recovery facility.
Shorter time away from home with Dr Brassard.
A culture more akin to that I am used to with Dr Brassard (I'm from the UK).


I was able to get in touch with several Dr Brassard patients and they shared their experience with me and I felt happy that he would produce a good result for me.  After a Skype call with Dr Belanger I felt really comfortable with them I opted for Dr Brassard (My GRS is 3 weeks today!).

Sam x

I went to brassard for my Srs, but I also went to dr Suporn for my breast augmentation. I think they are both excellent choices. I liked the treatment I received in Montreal. Of course I had my surgery in 2003 so a lot has changed since then. I was also in Thailand in 2005 so a lot has probably changed there as well, but when I was there the treatment and after care were first class.

If I had to do it all over again, I would still choose the same surgeons as I did. I believe that I had my the right choices.

One thing to scratch off your list is the waiting list nonsense. If you have the money in your pocket and a way to get there and are ready, they will accommodate you. When I went to do my Srs, I could have picked any date including a few weeks away. It's all in the preparedness.

One question: is there a reason why you did not consider Dr Chettawut also in Bangkok? Having just returned from SRS there I was really pleased with results. Yes a minor hiccup at home but nothing which is out of the ordinary, and he does follow up.

If I had know about Dr Brassard or at the time of booking I might have gone there - but I have no regrets.

From what i read the aftercare in both seems good , so i didnt think of it as being decisive for choosing wich one , i feel confident in both for theses from my research.

So you would say going with brassard depth is well enough making love with guys ? Doesnt female vagina can strech past the arousal depth when the guys get in too , so it would make it deeper than 5" .  Maybe its enough for most guys , but what if i end up on someone wich i dont have depth for .

For chettawut i talked to it to my psy compared to suporn and he adviced me for suporn rather from theses two.

Nope, that's what I was trying to say, and maybe expressing it badly. :) The maximum average depth for cis women who are being penetrated is 5". There are some with more, sure, but Brassard's 5-6" is not going to raise eyebrows with men... and again, the guys who are super endowed already know that they're likely to have issues with many women. (Don't forget that because of things like bodies getting in the way, the man can't actually insert his penis to its full length; he's gonna be measuring length from the root [and maybe exaggerating a tad, hee], but inserting 1-2" less than that.) Women's magazines, web sites, etc. have sex tips for how to handle a guy who's too long, which is both handy for you if you're worried and proof that cis women have this problem often enough that it's coming up in the media regularly.

BTW, try asking a cis woman about her depth sometime. ;) Most have no idea! So most men don't expect their partners to know their depth measured to the half inch, either.

Personally, I felt like Suporn's best work was a bit better than Brassard's, but Brassard is more consistent - you almost always get the depth and aesthetics that he virtually guarantees. So it's a matter of personal preference, as is the fact that Suporn likes larger labia and Brassard makes smaller ones...

One little event may help. When I asked Dr Belanger how suporn manages depths of 7to 8 inches she said no one knows. When I told her he measures his depths prior to inserting the stent, she answered and I quote:

Oh if we did that we would have that depth too.

The depth you have just before and after inserting the stent is artificialy longer then your healed depth.

Which is why Brassard says between 5 and 6 inches avg once healed up.

Myarkstir : Ah-ha!! I admit to secretly wondering, since in most people the pelvic anatomy alone would prevent 7+ inches... By "stent," do you mean the dilators, or the packing inserted during the surgery? (Curious b/c I measure depth with the dilator, as Brassard suggested, so I'm assuming you *don't* mean that.)

Stent = packing

I asked this in a  different thread, but thought I'd also ask here.  There seems to be a lot of interest in Dr. Brassard and Suporn, but are there other equally qualified and regarded surgeons?  I have friends who have gone with either Dr. Bowers or Dr. Meltzer and they are both very pleased with their results.  So is there that much difference between surgeons?  I've been researching mainly U.S. surgeons and find that each has strong points and also weak points.

Thanks so much for any feedback!  Sarah  :D

Arent there girls who went to suporn who measure depth on their own after healing is done and that get 7" or so , or are all the depth from the initial measurement ?

Quote from: SarahJ on September 10, 2014, 04:35:07 PM
I asked this in a  different thread, but thought I'd also ask here.  There seems to be a lot of interest in Dr. Brassard and Suporn, but are there other equally qualified and regarded surgeons?  I have friends who have gone with either Dr. Bowers or Dr. Meltzer and they are both very pleased with their results.  So is there that much difference between surgeons?  I've been researching mainly U.S. surgeons and find that each has strong points and also weak points.

Thanks so much for any feedback!  Sarah  :D

Quote from: SarahJ on September 10, 2014, 04:35:07 PM
I asked this in a  different thread, but thought I'd also ask here.  There seems to be a lot of interest in Dr. Brassard and Suporn, but are there other equally qualified and regarded surgeons?  I have friends who have gone with either Dr. Bowers or Dr. Meltzer and they are both very pleased with their results.  So is there that much difference between surgeons?  I've been researching mainly U.S. surgeons and find that each has strong points and also weak points.

Thanks so much for any feedback!  Sarah  :D

This is so true. Vicky is a Bowers girl. Suzi is a Kathy R. girl

The trouble not many of the other girls are around to share. In doing so at this moment there are a group of Montreal girls around.

So as I have said in other threads there are good surgeons and tour depth will truly be based on your body. We just do not have monster depth to start due to body design.

Regarding how and when Suporn measures, the above response is half right... He measured me AFTER packing had been removed, following 7 days of hospital recovery. He showed me with a mirror, 7 inches of depth, plus maybe even a little bit more. It wasn't forced, it was easy as. HOWEVER, some of that surely was swelling of the outer labia, so once that entirely went away, I lost about 1/2 inch. Over the course of 2 years, now dilating only once every week or two, I'm still at 6 1/4 or so, and could have maintained that last quarter inch I'm certain had I dilated a little more.

I am a Suporn girl. At a year and nine months I have a little over 7 inches, as indicated by the dialators he gave me. As far as external appearance, when my Endo saw it after I got back her first word was "Beautiful!". The person I went with, who is younger and trimmer, has one that looks as good as the ones on Playboy/Penthouse centerfolds! Everyone who has gone to Dr. Suporn(with one exceptionI know of) has been extremely pleased with the results. I was almost 65 when I had mine, and I was able to walk around with no problems right out of the hospital(actually was told by the clinic I shouldn't have been walking around so much so soon) but had no problems with getting around at any time.So I didn't have any real recovery problems personally.

Supporn cost more money, long flight (horribly uncomfortable after GRS) and foreign country. I think Brassard is the best and I rather be closer to home and in North America where medical standards are better.

Quote from: Myarkstir on September 10, 2014, 11:38:13 AM
One little event may help. When I asked Dr Belanger how suporn manages depths of 7to 8 inches she said no one knows. When I told her he measures his depths prior to inserting the stent, she answered and I quote:

Oh if we did that we would have that depth too.

The depth you have just before and after inserting the stent is artificialy longer then your healed depth.

Which is why Brassard says between 5 and 6 inches avg once healed up.

I believe there is a lot of similarity in the technique used by Dr's Suporn and Chettawut. Both can guarantee a depth of at least 6" due to the fact that they do not depend on the amount of penile skin available to determine depth. They do a graft using skin from the scrotum + extra skin from the thigh if required. As a very satisfied Chettawut patient, like Melissa (Monkeymekl), who, more than one month post op has still encountered no issues whatsoever other than a nasty skin rash following  my long journey home, I'd also like to suggest that anyone considering Suporn should also consider Chett. Not only have I every reason to be satisfied with my surgeries (BA + GRS) but the staff were nothing short of sweet and continued to visit me every single day for the 3 weeks I stayed in Thailand after my surgeries.

Regarding the comment above, vaginal depth is measured by Chett with a stent after removal of the packing (7 days post-op) and, so far, I haven't lost a millimetre compared to the initial measurement, including with larger size dilators. I think it's also worth mentioning that after 6 years HRT, there had been a lot of shrinkage in the donor areas yet I still ended out with a depth significantly greater than the minimum of 6" that Chett targets.

Like just about everthing else, all of our outcomes are dependant both on the work of the surgeon and on our own individual circomstances eg. quality of donor tissue, general level of health, diligence with aftercare etc... so this makes comparisons quite tricky. As it happens, I also came very close to doing my surgery with Brassard but we failed to agree on a date that met my needs. As luck would have it, my back-up solution worked very well and, after all  expenses including a very comfortable return flight in business class, I saved about 5000€ on the cost of doing my two surgeries in Montreal compared to Bangkok.
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Donna

I have seen that both brassard and suporn cut the skin used to make the vaginal canal before puting it there , do the nerves reconnect after ? Is there sensitivity inside the vagina ?

Where the skin goes matters less than where the nerves go, and Brassard separates skin from nerves and tries to preserve as many nerves undamaged and uncut as possible. (I don't know about Suporn.) There's still nerves which have to reconnect, but I honestly don't know which ones...

I definitely have more sensitivity inside my vagina than cis women supposedly do - they don't have any nerve endings there, and I clearly do.

I m still unsure wich surgeon to choose
brassard i like because he feels safe , but i m not sure i like the suposed appearance of the vulva
I think i would prefer a vulva with bit longer lips , but i m not sure about the erectile tissues he leaves

i m kinda having difficultys choosing , and ever since i v been on antipsychotics its like i got cognitive difficultys at making decisions .

I'm less than three months post op with Dr. Brassard.  I've never measured my depth but it's a good 6" or so.  Sensitivity returned relatively quickly and I just had my first orgasm last week, at 61 days post op.  A few days later the multiple orgasms were quite intense so I am very happy so far.

I've no personal experience, but I've spent a lot of time researching Dr Suporn. I've not spent much time researching Dr Brassard recently, so I can't say very much about him.

I won't post any links since I'm not sure about the sites terms of service, but there's plenty to find about Dr Suporn using google. There's a number of really long and detailed blog posts, some relatively recent photo's of results, and endless discussions by people visiting him and post-ops. The photo's were pretty impressive, but I couldn't find much to compare for Dr Brassard so I've no idea about the difference.

I believe the story about the remaining testis is related to a pre-existing medial condition, and not something that would apply to anyone else. Also I don't think its possible that any surgeon could somehow miss them in any normal normal case.

Dr Suporn's surgery takes much longer than Dr Brassards, and I believe this is a result of the complexity of what he does. Whether its worth the extra effort I don't know, but you'd hope so since it also results in a much more difficult and longer recovery - double by all accounts.

Dr Suporn requires patients to stay for about 30 days, during which time he does revisions as necessary, and the level of care is apparently excellent. Dr Brassard's stay is I believe about 10 days. Even accounting for the more invasive surgery I find that very reassuring with Dr Suporn, since there's a chance to get everything sorted out before flying home. The last thing I'd want is to fly home and have problems. If money is not an issue then flying business class would no doubt make getting home a lot easier. The extra recovery time with Suporn might be a problem if you have to get back to work soon, especially if you do heavy physical work.

I've seen one or two pictures of Suporn results that looked kind of odd, and possibly related to the excess erectile tissue issue. I think it's a result of swelling that takes a really long time to go down, but once it does it looks normal. I'd guess the swelling is related to the complexity of what he does.

I'm not really sure what to make of a lot of what I read, since almost every seems to be happy with their results no matter who they see. There also seems to be stories of unfortunate results from all surgeons, although some a lot more that others. Suporn definitely has one on this site.

They are both obviously among the very top SRS surgeons in the world. I often find that when a choice is difficult its because there's not much difference, and then it doesn't matter much which choice you make.

Quote from: AnonyMs on December 02, 2014, 04:50:45 AM
I've seen one or two pictures of Suporn results that looked kind of odd, and possibly related to the excess erectile tissue issue. I think it's a result of swelling that takes a really long time to go down, but once it does it looks normal. I'd guess the swelling is related to the complexity of what he does.

I came across some more info about Dr Suporn and erectile tissue, and I think what I wrote before was incorrect. Assuming what I read is correct, then it's unrelated to the swelling issue and some amount of erectile tissue is necessary for any SRS surgery, or bad things will happen. I forgot the details, but I think it included incontinence.

The problem is when there's to much left, which can happen if the surgeon is too cautious and misjudges it. Its also risky to revise it. I've no idea if Dr Suporn has a higher rate of this than anyone else.

I am a Brassard girl so it may sound bias but it's not. As long as you get 5 inches of depth you are good. I know girls are always worried about depth but a man doesn't need to go "balls deep" and put all his junk in you to feel pleasure. Aesthetic wise Brassard is the best, depth wise I won't like I believe Supporn is better. But what good is depth if your aesthetics aren't good? Don't worry about depth as much. I know girls like men who are big but they don't need to insert all of it in there to cum, trust me.

I am somewhat baffled by a lot of this, as it's just not true of my personal anatomy. My clit is correctly positioned and very small (and very sensitive) and hooded, the urethral mucosa used in the clitoral hood and the inside of the labia minora is pale pink and lightly moist exactly as I've seen in many photos of cis women, and I absolutely do self-lubricate. Additionally, I've had a gynecologist who assumed I was a cis woman who'd had a hysterectomy after the internal exam. Maybe I'm exceptionally lucky, but not from what I've heard over the years of talking to other Brassard patients...

I'm not an expert on Suporn or Chet, but Brassard's technique - while "enhanced" penile inversion - does not match what you're saying here.

I'm also sorry that you had a poor experience with Chet, and it sounds like your regrets are deserved; that's terrible.

Mona : Hey, fair enough. Brassard's web site is terrible. :) I also did not know he used to do that with the mucosal tissue in the vaginal lining - no, that's not how he does things anymore. (Maybe that was Menard's idea and he gave it up when he took over? I dunno.) He now puts mucosal tissue where cis women have it, which is fine by me.

I'm sure he also tells women that he can't guarantee they will be able to lubricate, but I know other Brassard women who can. It's the luck of the draw, I guess, and admittedly he doesn't relocate the glands (lubrication is clearly dripping from the urethra, but it's still sufficient and effective, and cis women lubricate at least *partially* from the urethra as well).

Regardless, I don't blame you at all for being upset with your results. Even if the doctor was just having an off day, you're entitled to be distressed that you were the victim of it.

I went to Brassard and am able to lubricate when excited although most of the lubricant seems to form in the top area of my vulva.  I was able to orgasm at day 61 post op and am happy with 5.5" depth, although I am still very tight and have to dilate before sex with my boyfriend at this point (3.5 months post op).