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http://mobile.news.com.au/world/europe/transgender-woman-wants-to-reverse-sex-change-operation-because-being-a-woman-is-exhausting/story-fnh81p7g-1227077157576

Not what I'd call "in-depth reporting."

Like being a woman is all about makeup and heels (I am wearing neither- go figure!), and they of course have to mention that it was done at taxpayers' expense.  This is nothing more than an invalidating hit piece to further an anti-trans agenda.  And yes, it's not a big surprise that a self-described "drag queen" has anxiety and depression from running on the wrong hormones.  This person clearly did not suffer from gender dysphoria and made a huge mistake.   If you're going to miss your junk, you probably shouldn't have it repurposed.  Just sayin'...

And this, kids, is one of the reasons we have to deal with gatekeepers and prejudice from the general public.  Of course they fail to mention that cases like this are a tiny minority and what the satisfaction rate of SRS REALLY is.

Bastards.

I think the problem is he didn't want to be a older woman. He was probably all fine with it when he was in his 20's partying all the the time. I love how he ran to the media with his story about how he thought being a woman was too hard. I hear complaints about gatekeeping all the time but this is further proof that they're isn't enough gate keeping.

Quote from: Heather on October 01, 2014, 12:00:27 PM
this is further proof that they're isn't enough gate keeping.

Why would you say this?

He met all the criteria for a sex change. What would would you want a gatekeeper to see?

A friend suggested SRS, so she did it.  Cause it's just that easy?  We all know that there are many levels of gatekeeping in the NHS, so we're clearly missing some important details here.  And she was initially rejected for SRS...then somehow got someone else to agree to do it.  Sounds to me like she figured out how to work the system to get what she wanted.

Besides, I don't understand why another SRS procedure would be required in order to stop wearing makeup and high heels.  How about...you know...not wearing makeup and high heels.

Interesting that she mentions suffering from depression and anxiety after HRT rather than before.  That's pretty atypical.  But she still pushed through to SRS?

She wants to have her FF-cup boobs removed.  I've never heard of a transwoman growing naturally to that size...so there most likely was a BA somewhere along the way as well.

There's got to be more to the story.

Yeah, the NHS is not known for having *too little* gatekeeping. Sounds like she jumped through all the hoops people want put in front of a transitioner, and still regrets it, which frankly supports my personal theory that someone who REALLY wants this (including for the "wrong" reasons, whatever those are to someone else) won't be discouraged by gatekeeping - they'll just lie. Also, it's not uncommon for someone who transitions to say they were never really cis before, they just didn't realize they were trans; it would stand to reason that someone who de/re-transitions might choose to frame it as having "never really been trans," when the reality is more complex and perhaps they changed or evolved differently from how they felt at the time.

(Though, Katie, I'm 42DDD - which is the same as 38FF/G or 36H - so I'm not gonna say it's impossible. All the same, I see "drag queen," "NHS paid for it," and "huge boobs," and I admit I also uncharitably think maybe she went for implants as well. At least if that's true, she should have an easier time having implants removed than someone who requires full reconstruction afterward.)

There is indeed more to the story.  She appeared on a morning talk show 5 months ago, saying she's now "finally happy with who she is." 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2605973/Katie-Price-thought-I-real-woman-I-decided-How-Jordan-inspired-drag-queen-change-gender.html

really? too little gatekeeping? how could anyone possibly come to that conclusion from a single case, especially one like this? like, here's the thing. this person has the right to do whatever they want, to make whatever choices they feel are right, up to and including whatever surgeries they want to feel comfortable in their own skin.

but to go from there and decide that the proper course of action is to make it harder for trans people to access surgery seems to me to be the height of cruelty. it's not my responsibility if someone decides that detransition is their best course of action, but it also shouldn't reflect on policies that should allow for easier access for trans people, who are still subject to a uniquely brutal, dehumanizing gantlet to prove to physicians to their satisfaction that we are suffering enough to legitimize their authorization for drugs, and then, if we're STILL suffering, then MAYBE surgery. what the fresh hell? how is that a "standard of care"?

honestly, when it comes to the possibility that cis people might accidentally take a hormone pill, i just don't care. when trans people have a system that doesn't use our suffering as a currency to access even the most basic of rights in healthcare systems, then maybe it'll matter more. but until then, i think the overwhelming priority for reducing the greatest amount of suffering is abolishing gatekeeping, and in no way instituting it more.

"It is exhausting putting on make-up and wearing heels all the time. Even then I don't feel I look like a proper woman,"

I'm under the impression that most cis women have the same feelings!

Quote from: Gothic Dandy Luca on October 01, 2014, 01:16:56 PM
"It is exhausting putting on make-up and wearing heels all the time. Even then I don't feel I look like a proper woman,"

I'm under the impression that most cis women have the same feelings!

They do and that's why so many dress very casually in jeans, tennies, and hoodies. I relate to this myself, threw out $200 worth of makeup, never want heels, dresses, or any of the so-called necessary accessories because I prefer being my own androgynous appearing non-binary self. That said, I think it's sad that this woman has created a lot of negative press for trans women by moving from drag queen to nationally televised drama queen. It's just another stick in everyone's eye as far as I'm concerned.

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 01, 2014, 12:11:38 PM
Why would you say this?

He met all the criteria for a sex change. What would would you want a gatekeeper to see?

I say this because I see a system that is so dysfunctional. Basically the answer is this has become an industry it's not about helping anyone. It's about making money I honestly don't believe transitioning is required in every case but everybody seems sold on it now. And The whole trans culture isn't really helping. Because it's helping support this flawed system by creating an atmosphere of telling everyone you have to do this to be happy. When really this is not the answer for everybody. Well I've answered your question so now I have a question of my own. Why are you so interested in this subject? You complain about gatekeeping but gatekeeping hasn't stopped you. You've had your surgery I honestly don't get what your problem is? And why is the fact I have an opinion so offensive to you?

Lol... "is tired of putting on makeup and heels"

So don't wear makeup and heels.

Somebody REALLY did not understand the definition of gender here.


You know, every time I get scared about detransition stories and worry that I'm somehow going to have SRS regrets, I need to remind myself that a lot of people like this, who think that femininity is a perpetual perfection of glamor and heels and boyfriends and feminine perfection, and who get SRS almost immediately after transitioning to fit into that ideal image of a woman better, exist. And they're the ones who keep going to the media over and over and over again trying to claim that all trans people are wrong.

Methinks as long as I hold on to my conviction that I want to be female even if it means dressing and acting like a butch lesbian, and get SRS because I've always hated having a penis, not because I want to be "female" according to society's ideals, I think I'll be fine. :)

 "...said she is tired of putting on make-up and wearing heels following gender reassignment surgery seven years ago.

"It is exhausting putting on make-up and wearing heels all the time. Even then I don't feel I look like a proper woman,"...


Clothes don't make the person. Wearing dresses, skirts, heels or any specific article of clothing does not make one female. I still dress pretty much the same as I did pre-transition... jeans and t-shirts. Just me maybe... but I think either more thought should have be given before making the decision in her case, or the medical pros that diagnosed, prescribed, and operated on her need to be investigated. Self-diagnosis is one thing... but there needs to be some system of checks and balances.

So you made a wrong decision because some Z list" celebrity" told you to do so and now you want to make things harder for those in genuine need?

Quote from: JennX on October 01, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
Clothes don't make the person. Wearing dresses, skirts, heels or any specific article of clothing does not make one female. I still dress pretty much the same as I did pre-transition... jeans and t-shirts.

Same here. The only difference is now I buy my sneakers and jeans in the women's sections. I also wear mostly solid color women's tops. Although I do have a few novelty shirts in the mix.

Quote from: JennX on October 01, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
Wearing dresses, skirts, heels or any specific article of clothing does not make one female.

I think all the guys here will especially agree with that statement.

Quote from: big kim on October 02, 2014, 01:34:45 AM
So you made a wrong decision because some Z list" celebrity" told you to do so and now you want to make things harder for those in genuine need?

Quote from: katiej on October 01, 2014, 12:34:12 PM
A friend suggested SRS, so she did it. 

Everyone seems to be making the assumption that she got a sex change simply because someone suggested it. Isn't it possible that the article is greatly oversimplifying the process she went through?

Especially if it was paid for by public medical funds, I'm sure a WHOLE LOT more vetting went on.

Quote from: Heather on October 01, 2014, 01:31:42 PM
Well I've answered your question so now I have a question of my own. Why are you so interested in this subject? You complain about gatekeeping but gatekeeping hasn't stopped you. You've had your surgery I honestly don't get what your problem is? And why is the fact I have an opinion so offensive to you?

Oh Heather, I hope I didn't say or imply that what you said was offensive. It just seemed like a really broad conclusion based on a badly reported story that omitted most of the facts. I'm really sorry that I implied offense. I'm actually very glad you (and others) post opinions. It's vital to a discussion.

Why am I interested? Because I read the gatekeeping stories on these forums, hear them from the support groups I attend, and am still chafing about my own. Every instances of unscrupulous/incompetent/unnecessary gatekeeping personally bothers me because I empathize with people whose lives are made hard by what I see as spurious obstacles. Many/most of these were put in place by cisgender people who have very little understanding of our conditions and how best to treat them. We as a community, however, gladly and eagerly give up our agency to them and consent happily to be patronized and condescended to.

Does that answer your question?

The article is based on a piece by a UK rag caled the mirror which is known for trash talk and sound bite reporting.

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 02, 2014, 07:54:20 AM
Oh Heather, I hope I didn't say or imply that what you said was offensive. It just seemed like a really broad conclusion based on a badly reported story that omitted most of the facts. I'm really sorry that I implied offense. I'm actually very glad you (and others) post opinions. It's vital to a discussion.

Why am I interested? Because I read the gatekeeping stories on these forums, hear them from the support groups I attend, and am still chafing about my own. Every instances of unscrupulous/incompetent/unnecessary gatekeeping personally bothers me because I empathize with people whose lives are made hard by what I see as spurious obstacles. Many/most of these were put in place by cisgender people who have very little understanding of our conditions and how best to treat them. We as a community, however, gladly and eagerly give up our agency to them and consent happily to be patronized and condescended to.

Does that answer your question?

Thanks Suzi it wasn't you I've been moody all week. And this isn't a problem I've had on Susan's but in real life. Is that ever since I started passing as its called I've had other trans women basically shoot down my opinion on anything trans related. And they will tell me oh you pass so you shouldn't comment on this. That's why I'm a bit touchy when it comes to expressing my opinions.

I have to say, I don't really know any trans people very well at all. A lot of people say things like that about trans groups or friends though.

Heather, I really don't get that. As an early transitioner I look up to transwomen who have transitioned successfully and pass well.

But having said that, the beautiful 22 year old who passes perfectly, lecturing us on why passing doesn't matter, can be a little irritating

 :-\ Bummer! I am in the midst of transitioning and deal with criticizm from numerous aspects. I am underestimated in certain aspects, and "the hurts" of that I am not transgender. Even though I am in total certainty (sp) that I am, and have never identified with my penis since a very young age. Of course sexual relief, but that even bothers me! (Thoughts of cutting it off, and everything "will be ok" after) Yes, those times where being naive was as close to transitioning as I could get, daydreaming being rushed to an ER and they have no other choice but to assign me a vagina.

I am a woman, early in transition and can be in total spotlight.. That being typed.. I cannot stand tucking.. enjoy results of doing so, but this story even more wants me to lose the "idgaf" attitude of EVERYONE knowing my gender identity along with my "personal" journey.. Pretty much I can BULGE, ;) and it was a throw to those who knew "hey, privacy please, and a sweet "fudge" to you".. also it is very awkward when people know you in various cities that when you do tuck, it is funny.. The 'ol, stick between legs deal... Grrr... This story.. and being masculine (not my true nature at all) and bringing forth SHE, for myself and to demonstrate myself to others.. WTF! People think I am confused or gay.. even straight or bi.. I am heterosexual (woman who likes men) Ugh, another story of gossips and stories.. I am so secure with one day going through the surgical process, to be plain Fenix.. Having my own place, a huge protective intelligent dog, witty cat, a career, friends, love of my life, good ganja, and a elevated me.. Transitioned to the point I have found me.. SHE.. If I retro-funk, Harley Davidson riding, bartender, musician.. Physicist <--Oh yea, w/e!! But I have always had visions and goals that I would have a "simple" life and a vagina was always included.. Minimally for sexual purposes with an idea that as I go through the surgery I will become more comfortable towards sex.. ALL dimensions we exist in are the reasons... I am a virgin because I cannot build confidence to have anal sex and honestly emberrassing as it is (o.0).. I do not want to have anal sex.. I am literally waiting for the "big show".. *Woah, what a rant*

Want to have sensual sex? Some rubbing, we should build a romatic relationship for a few years.. We can cuddle and do everything else but sex.. Wah! Hmph thought to self, this individual had their own set goals and intentions.. We understand who we are, stand strong.. Love is a high vibration, may it guide.. Through ALL adversities! Same to myself, life is there to even find that person who is your soulmate (for those of you who believe in such) that two souls DESERVING to be united in this lifetime can meet.. I trust in life and myself to find someone.. Now or whenever.. WHAT a total side track!! *Lo Siento*
but yea,

what a douche that guy is.

Quote from: Heather on October 02, 2014, 11:08:02 AM
Thanks Suzi it wasn't you I've been moody all week. And this isn't a problem I've had on Susan's but in real life. Is that ever since I started passing as its called I've had other trans women basically shoot down my opinion on anything trans related. And they will tell me oh you pass so you shouldn't comment on this. That's why I'm a bit touchy when it comes to expressing my opinions.

*hugs*

Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on October 02, 2014, 10:16:19 AM
The article is based on a piece by a UK rag caled the mirror which is known for trash talk and sound bite reporting.

Absolutely agree, I would take anything printed in that 'comic' with a HUGE pince of salt!

QuoteTrans woman wants to reverse sex change operation because 'being a woman is exhausting'

Well, I find that being a HUMAN BEING is exhausting.  So, I'm not sure why he was expecting being a woman to be any easier.  As far as putting on make-up and high heels, nobody needs to do that anyway.  That is a personal choice.

Interestingly he was on TV this morning telling his story, and i use he and his as he was presenting as male, all be it with rather large boobs.  The overall impression i got is that he is a very much an attention seeking individual.  This is not the first time he has sought out the media, his story has very much always been in the media and from a fairly young age.   The big news from his interview though was that he said he still had his 'junk' although somewhat shriveled up but apparently starting to come back to life (good old Philip schofield asking the important questions!).  So whilst he's sitting there on TV complaining that the system didn't work and had failed him, i was sitting there thinking, no it didn't, It worked perfectly, he had a RLT and whilst it took some time, he found out it wasn't for him, OK he has some big boobs to deal with, but he still has his stuff and can and probably will make a reasonable re-transition, assuming he doesn't change his mind again when the media start to forget about him.

Worryingly though from his soap box he seemed to be advocating greater gate keeping and having to undergo a year of psychiatric analysis before any other treatment such as HRT or RLT, 

Quote from: Debbie55 on October 07, 2014, 03:53:45 PM
Worryingly though from his soap box he seemed to be advocating greater gate keeping and having to undergo a year of psychiatric analysis before any other treatment such as HRT or RLT,

Yes, because those of us who truly suffer from severe gender dysphoria clearly need more obstacles and unnecessary expenses before we find any relief.
/snark

First of all, if I would have been forced to wait another year, I'm not sure I'd still be here.  Second, you can live your life as any gender (or neither/both if) you'd prefer, regardless of what hormones (or not) that you are taking.   I just hope that this case isn't blown out of proportion and made an example of that ends up being used against the majority of us.

Quote from: Debbie55 on October 07, 2014, 03:53:45 PM
The big news from his interview though was that he said he still had his 'junk' although somewhat shriveled up but apparently starting to come back to life.

Wait a minute!  The outrage in the articles was that he had already had SRS on the taxpayers' dime (or whatever the British equivalent), and now was demanding a second, more expensive surgery.  Now we find out there was never even an original surgery?  WTH!

This of course is now all over the Internet giving fuel to anti-trans people because he reportedly had SRS and regretted it.  And the followup revelation will likely not be reported.  Crap like this is so damaging to us!

Fortunately for him the system worked and kept him from surgery.  Now if only there was a surgery that would change him from being an attention seeking media whore into a normal person.

I think the fact that his first pass through the system earned him a rejection is somewhat telling.. Who wants to bet he want back and trotted out the 'Standard Trans Narrative(TM)'?

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 07, 2014, 08:52:12 PM
I think the fact that his first pass through the system earned him a rejection is somewhat telling.. Who wants to bet he want back and trotted out the 'Standard Trans Narrative(TM)'?

When I first went through the system, I was initially rejected because my experiences of being transgender was "too textbook definition" despite the fact I had gone into detail about how I believed I was a boy prior to puberty because of my birth condition of having androgynous genitals (a penis-like clitoris had me believing I was a boy, go figure) and puberty forcing me into womanhood when I did not want it, nor did I identify as a woman whatsoever. Apparently, that was just too "textbook definition" for the psychiatrist treating me to even consider me allowing to transition.

So I guess by that psychiatrist's explanation, there is "not trans enough" or "too trans enough" which is laughable at best. ???

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 07, 2014, 08:52:12 PM
I think the fact that his first pass through the system earned him a rejection is somewhat telling.. Who wants to bet he want back and trotted out the 'Standard Trans Narrative(TM)'?

He probably did, but plenty of other real transgender people do that anyway, how many of us if we are honest tell the therapists, psychiatrists and psychologists exactly what we think they need to hear just to satisfy them and get them out of the way?

I have known I was transgender for over 25 years but I only started my transition recently but I still didn't fit their little ticky boxes like 'sits down to pee' and 'played with dolls', the temptation to just sit there and nod when they asked me that stuff was almost overwhelming.

On another note though I think the 'gatekeeping' is just fine in the UK I don't know about elsewhere, I DO believe one thing should change though, with regards to MtF's I wonder if it would be possible to put us on low doses of Anti-androgens while we go through the system as this wouldn't have any permanent physical effect but it WOULD alleviate dsyphoria in many cases and let us girls think with a clearer head while we are jumping through all the NHS hoops.

Alice
xx

One thing that doesnt ring true is the amount of time this person was on hrt, and yet said 'testicles shrink to the size of peas'.  By that stage they would be little more than jelly, right?

I dunno.  That and the boob comments... Feels suspect to me.

The cis media (especially Murdoch hate rags) take a certain amount of glee in reporting stories like this (true or not)..."see, we told you that they were nuts all along!"

Quote from: Ms Grace on October 08, 2014, 06:28:18 AM
The cis media (especially Murdoch hate rags) take a certain amount of glee in reporting stories like this (true or not)..."see, we told you that they were nuts all along!"

The hell with them. They are all losers and money hungry sensationalist scumbags anyway.

What annoys the hell out of me is that the only transsexuals that anyone ever seems to hear about from the media are the exceptions to the norm.  We hear about the ones who get murdered and assaulted, the ones who regret it all and the ones who defy the odds to become prominent businesspeople, models, porn stars and actors.

Nobody ever hears the story of the vast majority of us who just try to live as normal lives as they can, work regular jobs, feed the kids, and do what is necessary to survive in a sometimes hostile environment.   Maybe if that's the image most people got of transfolk, we wouldn't end up with nearly as many problems as we do, and perhaps even some more sympathy from the cis world.

Suck it, media.  And thanks for nothing.

"Transgender goes to work and pays her bills on time" is not a very grabby headline. And we all know that's really all they care about. It's about generating attention, not about reporting the truth. Kim kardashian is a world-famous millionaire for a reason.

Quote from: katiej on October 08, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
Kim kardashian is a world-famous millionaire for a reason.

Because her famous stepdad is speculated to be having a sex change? *le facepalm*

Quote from: katiej on October 08, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
"Transgender goes to work and pays her bills on time" is not a very grabby headline. And we all know that's really all they care about. It's about generating attention, not about reporting the truth.

Yep. The media is nothing more than a pathetic joke.

Quote from: katiej on October 08, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
"Transgender goes to work and pays her bills on time" is not a very grabby headline. And we all know that's really all they care about. It's about generating attention, not about reporting the truth. Kim kardashian is a world-famous millionaire for a reason.

So it seems that nobody outside of Susan's will ever hear a story like:

"Jill F, a male-to-female transsexual, got up in the morning, made a cup of coffee and checked her email.  She took a long, hot shower, washed her hair and shaved her underarms and legs.  She then dried herself off, took her estrogen, and decided on a black and white striped skirt with a teal top for the day.  Looking through the refrigerator, she noticed her cisgender wife had depleted most of the eggs and milk earlier that morning and contemplated a trip to the grocery store.

While at the grocery store, nobody seemed to notice or care that Jill happened to be a six-foot-two transsexual woman.  They just went about their business.

Later that day, she called her mother to let her know that she was OK, everything was fine and that two of her guitars had recently sold for a fair price."

It would be so nice to let the rest of the world in on my little secret:  News flash- I'M BORING.  Alert the media! 

BORING TRANS WOMAN REFUSES TO BE SENSATIONALIST!!

Yeah you are Jill, no sensationalism, no drama, we're trying to sell tabloid tripe and call it news and you're story just isn't cutting it hon, you're too normal, we're looking for the bizarre and unusual!

Quote from: Jill F on October 08, 2014, 04:35:21 PM
Later that day, she called her mother to let her know that she was OK, everything was fine and that two of her guitars had recently sold for a fair price."

That's interesting in my world.  But I doubt the National Enquirer would agree.

Quote from: katiej on October 08, 2014, 06:32:12 PM
That's interesting in my world.  But I doubt the National Enquirer would agree.

I'm sure the Enquirer's story would have the headline:

Pervert Has Sex Change Just To Become A Lesbian.

"Degenerate Transsexual Sells Guitars to Unsuspecting Guitar Players"

Now that's a grabby headline.

Quote from: Ms Grace on October 08, 2014, 04:46:18 PM
BORING TRANS WOMAN REFUSES TO BE SENSATIONALIST!!

Boring trans dork rambles on about Portia Porcupine and Noise Music. Film left on the cutting room floor.  :D

Transgender cook turns burritos into tacos?

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on October 08, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
Boring trans dork rambles on about Portia Porcupine and Noise Music. Film left on the cutting room floor.  :D

Waaa hahaha this is a riot!  :D Oh btw I think porcupines are good eating once you get past the quills, otherwise why would the animal's name start out with porc?

Quote from: Shantel on October 08, 2014, 07:11:03 PM
Waaa hahaha this is a riot!  :D Oh btw I think porcupines are good eating once you get past the quills, otherwise why would the animal's name start out with porc?

HEY!!....watch it.

:icon_boxing:

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on October 08, 2014, 07:13:01 PM
HEY!!....watch it.

:icon_boxing:

:icon_archery:  Portia Porcupine.....yum!

I'm imagining the article to be something like this:

Degenerate Transsexual Sells Guitars to Unsuspecting Guitar Players

An unsuspecting guitar player, who asked only to be known as John, feels betrayed and duped after learning that his new guitar was once owned by a woman who had been born a man.  In an exclusive interview with the National Enquirer he said, "Look, I just thought I was buying a guitar from some chick on Ebay.  I had no idea she used to be a dude.  And now it's like the guitar just doesn't sound as good as it used to. There should be laws against this."

Although calls to his Senator were not returned, this will likely be a hotbutton issue in the 2014 mid-term elections next month. In a recent survey, 63% of Americans agreed there ought to be a remedy for consumers who are tricked into buying transgender merchandise.  At the heart of the issue is that most people don't learn of the gender identity of the previous owner until it's too late.  And what's more disturbing is the idea that they have bought used items in the past and never found out if the previous owner was comfortable in their gender role.

"I mean, what else don't I know.  Did I accidentally buy a used car or something else from some gay guy?  They really should have to tell you this stuff up front."  John went on to say, "I've registered an official complaint with Ebay. But they don't seem to be taking this seriously.  I can't even play this guitar in front of my buddies.  They'll know.  What am I supposed to do now?"

His profile on face book looks like he is still presenting as a woman. https://www.facebook.com/chelseaattonley

Katie, that made me laugh so hard! Where's that +1 button when I need it? I really needed that after the day I've had.

Quote from: JessicaH on October 08, 2014, 07:36:05 PM
His profile on face book looks like he is still presenting as a woman. https://www.facebook.com/chelseaattonley

Wow...some of the comments on there are pretty heated. (On both the cis and trans side of the fence) Yeah, I'm staying out of that mess.

Quote from: Shantel on October 08, 2014, 07:16:26 PM
Portia Porcupine.....yum!

Yes, she is yummy. Nope, I don't mean as a food item.