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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2781358/Bruce-Jenner-shows-new-shiny-layered-hairdo-Elton-John-s-concert-Hollywood.html

There have been reports for months that he's transitioning, ever since he had a tracheal shave. I think he is and will come out soon. Sadly though, since his involvement with the Kardashian clan, I think it's going to set our community back a bit.

While I try not to get into what other people may or may not be doing it sure looks like they might be. Maybe though they're non binary so not a full transition.

I think he will transition full force soon... no doubt Chris is one of us, binary MTF woman

Why should it matter how he presents himself?  I know being judged comes with being a celebrity, but I find the act of scrutinizing whether or not he is transgender to be pretty gross.  If he does come out it should be when he is ready, not because everyone forced him to.

Quote from: skin on October 05, 2014, 03:13:37 PM
Why should it matter how he presents himself?  I know being judged comes with being a celebrity, but I find the act of scrutinizing whether or not he is transgender to be pretty gross.  If he does come out it should be when he is ready, not because everyone forced him to.

very much this. I see people here doing what we fuss about when cis people do it.

I've heard this rumor for literally years.  Wake me up when (s)he comes out for real. *YAWN*

Quote from: skin on October 05, 2014, 03:13:37 PM
Why should it matter how he presents himself?  I know being judged comes with being a celebrity, but I find the act of scrutinizing whether or not he is transgender to be pretty gross.  If he does come out it should be when he is ready, not because everyone forced him to.

I'm not judging anyone, just having a discussion.

I think it is definitely possible, but we'll have to wait and see what happens; he may just be an extreme metrosexual. 

Quote from: Wynternight on October 05, 2014, 02:52:19 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2781358/Bruce-Jenner-shows-new-shiny-layered-hairdo-Elton-John-s-concert-Hollywood.html

There have been reports for months that he's transitioning, ever since he had a tracheal shave. I think he is and will come out soon. Sadly though, since his involvement with the Kardashian clan, I think it's going to set our community back a bit.

Quote from: Wynternight on October 05, 2014, 05:39:13 PM
I'm not judging anyone, just having a discussion.

Yes, you are. How does someone in our community being themselves set our community back?

Hhhhmmmm but he was always sorta hhhmmmm unique and into surgeries so I don't know. I don't see transition with him to be honest.

Oh just look at the pics .... I changed my mind ... Haha

Who cares?

More to the point, how would any of you would like your possible transition being in the media? How many of you would enjoy the intense scrutiny? The questions? Just because someone is in the public eye does not mean they have given up all their rights to privacy. Leave him alone, no one deserves this.

And, frankly, I don't understand why so much of the trans community goes all gaga whenever there's a sniff that some 'famous' person might be/is trans..

If Bruce is transitioning, good for them, I have no problem or judgement to make

It is their decision if and when they wish to come out or not, I will lend my support regardless

Quote from: Wynternight on October 05, 2014, 02:52:19 PM
Sadly though, since his involvement with the Kardashian clan, I think it's going to set our community back a bit.

Honestly. I don't give a damn about what some celebrity does and how it may affect how the public views transpeople. The way I see it is like this: Anyone that would judge all trans people based on what some so-called celebrity does or whom they are affiliated with is a damn fool. The truth is that people who are transphobic are going to be as such no matter if it's some dork on TV, myself or anyone else in this world. They would hate us anyway.

Keep in mind that if Bruce is transitioning, there is a good chance that he/she is a member here and trying to figure out a path forward just like the rest of us. Be assured that TMZ will make sure the world knows about a transition just as they did with Zoey Tur who is a member here.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 05, 2014, 09:31:47 PM
Yes, you are. How does someone in our community being themselves set our community back?

FFS - go back and read what I said. If you can't figure it out I'm not wasting my time explaining.

This is the people section. This is about a person so right section and this isn't something that the media hasn't brought up before so damn, get over me posting it. I'm not judging Bruce and wish him the best in whatever he chooses.

Quote from: JessicaH on October 06, 2014, 01:01:39 AM
Keep in mind that if Bruce is transitioning, there is a good chance that he/she is a member here and trying to figure out a path forward just like the rest of us. Be assured that TMZ will make sure the world knows about a transition just as they did with Zoey Tur who is a member here.

And they'll do everything they can to paint Bruce, if he is transitioning, the same way they paint us. That's topic-worthy, IMO.

There's nothing wrong with speculation. There was three years of speculating before Lana Wachowski came out.

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 05, 2014, 10:43:54 PM
Who cares?

More to the point, how would any of you would like your possible transition being in the media? How many of you would enjoy the intense scrutiny? The questions? Just because someone is in the public eye does not mean they have given up all their rights to privacy. Leave him alone, no one deserves this.

And, frankly, I don't understand why so much of the trans community goes all gaga whenever there's a sniff that some 'famous' person might be/is trans..

Those of us discussing it care. Obviously you care since you took the time to post here. Why the hell people get all butt-hurt over this is beyond me.

Quote from: Wynternight on October 06, 2014, 01:23:46 AM
Those of us discussing it care. Obviously you care since you took the time to post here. Why the hell people get all butt-hurt over this is beyond me.

Nice work at missing my actual point..

Would a nice expose on Fox make you feel good? How about I plaster it across FB, TMZ or The Times? Tweets will also be forthcoming.

I don't care if Bruce Jenner is trans or not. What I do care about it is them being given the privacy we all deserve to make our decisions.

If I was to spread unfounded gossip about you, wouldn't you feel like I was doing the wrong thing?

I may be wrong but doesn't Google crawl this site? If so, it could give others fodder to give Bruce Jenner grief.
I can see the TMZ headline now: "->-bleeped-<-s speculate if Jenner is one of them".

Quote from: JessicaH on October 06, 2014, 02:47:15 AM
I may be wrong but doesn't Google crawl this site? If so, it could give others fodder to give Bruce Jenner grief.
I can see the TMZ headline now: "->-bleeped-<-s speculate if Jenner is one of them".

If TMZ scoops the story based on this thread I'd better get credit for being a contributor!

Honestly, I doubt this whimsical thread is going to make any kind of difference:

http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2014/bruce-jenner-transgender-operation-womens-clothing-underwear-spanx-kris-jenner-kylie-kendall-make-fun-of-dad/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2595732/Bruce-Jenner-wants-called-Bridgitte-seeking-advice-sex-change-coach.html

The fact is this is a public figure like it or not and they means there is a certain scrutiny on them. This is a concern for the community if it does turn out to be a transition here because it sends the message that being trans is something you should deny...just like a certain model was denying it. I understand career implications and it very well might turn out Bruce Jenner is just be a femme looking man and will end at that, but all of this stuff influences public perception of the trans community and does matter.

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 06, 2014, 01:37:39 AM
Nice work at missing my actual point..

Would a nice expose on Fox make you feel good? How about I plaster it across FB, TMZ or The Times? Tweets will also be forthcoming.

I don't care if Bruce Jenner is trans or not. What I do care about it is them being given the privacy we all deserve to make our decisions.

If I was to spread unfounded gossip about you, wouldn't you feel like I was doing the wrong thing?

Well then delete this whole sub-forum since discussing the possibility of someone being trans offends you. Sorry, but some people live in the public eye and cameras are there whenever they grab a bite to eat. If you're a reality telly star or part of that world of "famous for being famous" then everything you do is in the public eye. 90% of what these people do is calculated to make copy so if Bruce wanted privacy he could have it but he splashes his family drama on the news every week.

Too late on the gossip about me; I'm getting to the point where people are talking so I know what it's like, albeit on a smaller scale. But if I choose to put myself out there for public consumption than people are going to buy.

Quote from: Hikari on October 06, 2014, 08:51:07 AM
The fact is this is a public figure like it or not and they means there is a certain scrutiny on them. This is a concern for the community if it does turn out to be a transition here because it sends the message that being trans is something you should deny...just like a certain model was denying it. I understand career implications and it very well might turn out Bruce Jenner is just be a femme looking man and will end at that, but all of this stuff influences public perception of the trans community and does matter.

Thank you. This. ^ I may not be articulating myself very well before bed and after getting up but this is the point I was trying to make.

Actually, I'm pleased. Whenever a respected well-known person transitions it DOES reflect better on our community.

Remember, that a lot of people still see us as deviants whose chief talents are as sex workers and entertainers. Having an accomplished athlete come out as MtF will change some people's minds. That will help us as we fight for anti-discrimination policies that require voter support.

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 05, 2014, 10:43:54 PM
Who cares?

More to the point, how would any of you would like your possible transition being in the media? How many of you would enjoy the intense scrutiny? The questions? Just because someone is in the public eye does not mean they have given up all their rights to privacy. Leave him alone, no one deserves this.

And, frankly, I don't understand why so much of the trans community goes all gaga whenever there's a sniff that some 'famous' person might be/is trans..

I second that line of thought!

Quote from: Shantel on October 06, 2014, 10:18:03 AM
I second that line of thought!

Sorry But I can't agree. These people do everything they can to keep in the public eye and now they demand privacy. I call shenanigans. It's one or the other: have some dignity and stop attention whoring or expect to reap what you sow.

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 06, 2014, 09:57:13 AM
Actually, I'm pleased. Whenever a respected well-known person transitions it DOES reflect better on our community.

Remember, that a lot of people still see us as deviants whose chief talents are as sex workers and entertainers. Having an accomplished athlete come out as MtF will change some people's minds. That will help us as we fight for anti-discrimination policies that require voter support.

Thank you. Good point.

Quote from: Marcia on October 05, 2014, 09:25:14 PM
Looking at the pictures it looks like he is deep into a transition. Not just the long hair and trac. shave. I mean the big loose fitting shirt, the way the fat on his face has changed.
The way he his holding his cup.  But in the end it is upto him to come out. I think that if he wasn't in the spotlight so much he would have already come out. He only put off the trac. shave because it got reported where he was having it done.

I have no doubt myself. Look at the hips.

But who is this person anyway? I know Kim Kardashian, hell I've met and talked to Kim Kardashian, but I don't know this guy (woman?) Maybe because I don't watch the show.

Quote from: ImagineKate on October 06, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
I have no doubt myself. Look at the hips.

But who is this person anyway? I know Kim Kardashian, hell I've met and talked to Kim Kardashian, but I don't know this guy (woman?) Maybe because I don't watch the show.

Bruce Jenner was a 1976 gold medalist in the summer Olympics. But you may not be old like some of us...

Quote from: Wynternight on October 06, 2014, 10:49:57 AM
Sorry But I can't agree. These people do everything they can to keep in the public eye and now they demand privacy. I call shenanigans. It's one or the other: have some dignity and stop attention whoring or expect to reap what you sow.

Can I get an amen ?

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 06, 2014, 09:57:13 AM
Actually, I'm pleased. Whenever a respected well-known person transitions it DOES reflect better on our community.

Remember, that a lot of people still see us as deviants whose chief talents are as sex workers and entertainers. Having an accomplished athlete come out as MtF will change some people's minds. That will help us as we fight for anti-discrimination policies that require voter support.

Pshaw! An athlete? Next you'll want a famous one to have done it decades ago.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renée_Richards

Posted for those too young, and those who WERE really there for the 60's and don't remember anything before 1975. ;)

Dee

"If you remember the 60's you weren't there."

Quote from: Jaime R D on October 05, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
very much this. I see people here doing what we fuss about when cis people do it.

Maybe because they and their family (the Kardashian) try everything to make people talk about them. Famous people don't get privacy. Especially THEM. Because they choose to be in this situation.

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 06, 2014, 09:57:13 AM
Actually, I'm pleased. Whenever a respected well-known person transitions it DOES reflect better on our community.

Remember, that a lot of people still see us as deviants whose chief talents are as sex workers and entertainers. Having an accomplished athlete come out as MtF will change some people's minds. That will help us as we fight for anti-discrimination policies that require voter support.

Very keen observation Suzi... I fully concur.... the more celbs or public personalities that transition the better for us

Leave it to Faux News to act with dignity. The front page has this article with the link saying: "Bruce Looks Like a Lady."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/10/06/bruce-jenner-long-hair-at-elton-john-concert/?intcmp=obmod_ffo&intcmp=obnetwork

Quote from: Jaime R D on October 06, 2014, 01:01:25 PM
Bruce Jenner was a 1976 gold medalist in the summer Olympics. But you may not be old like some of us...

I was born in 1978. More than likely it has to do with the fact that I was raised outside the US that I didn't pay much attention to US athletes and so many of them get gold medals that it's really no big deal, compared to someone from a small country winning ONE gold medal in 20 years being a national hero who everyone bows down to and worships and knows his/her name.

Also, if he's part of that family (the Kardashians) I'm quite surprised I haven't met him. I meet and greet a lot of celebrities and I have met the Kardashians on more than one occasion. 

Quote from: Wynternight on October 06, 2014, 09:25:52 PM
Leave it to Faux News to act with dignity. The front page has this article with the link saying: "Bruce Looks Like a Lady."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/10/06/bruce-jenner-long-hair-at-elton-john-concert/?intcmp=obmod_ffo&intcmp=obnetwork

Same as this:

http://www.etonline.com/news/152091_bruce_jenner_shows_off_long_locks_at_elton_john_concert/index.html

Quote from: Emily29 on October 06, 2014, 06:13:25 PM
Maybe because they and their family (the Kardashian) try everything to make people talk about them. Famous people don't get privacy. Especially THEM. Because they choose to be in this situation.

That's true. Their whole claim to fame is gossip.

Quote from: ImagineKate on October 07, 2014, 10:31:39 AM
I was born in 1978. More than likely it has to do with the fact that I was raised outside the US that I didn't pay much attention to US athletes and so many of them get gold medals that it's really no big deal, compared to someone from a small country winning ONE gold medal in 20 years being a national hero who everyone bows down to and worships and knows his/her name.

Also, if he's part of that family (the Kardashians) I'm quite surprised I haven't met him. I meet and greet a lot of celebrities and I have met the Kardashians on more than one occasion.

Actually it's another weird thing about the Olympics, he won the decathlon in 1976 setting a new world record for the sport.  Unlike sports such as swimming, gymnastics, etc. there's only one medal for the decathlon even though they compete in 10 different activities.  Winning the decathlon is one of the premier medals of the Olympics. 

With that said, I think the Olympics is pretty much a circus.  But anyway he at least earned his fame, unlike the Kardashians.

Just my two cents. Take care :)
Paige

Well, shows how little I know about sports anyway!  ;D

So, does this mean I should eat more Wheaties?

/snark

If Bruce is transgender, then she has been transgender and trying to cope with it long before 1976 and fame.  If this is the case, then she has my sympathy.  Having to be in perpetual "guy mode" indefinitely and not being to come out because of a celebrity family and a transphobic publicist must suck pretty royally.  If not, then he's doing a very calculated act in order to mess with our heads because of the rumors that have been flying for ages.  I think it's pretty clear that Bruce is at very least an avid crossdreser, but for all I know that's as far as it goes.  Crossdressing is actually far more common than people will let on.  I personally think it's nobody's business but Bruce's until (s)he comes clean publically about it.  Until that happens, I refuse to speculate.  I have far better things to do than keep up with Kardashians.

I wonder where Bruce was at the Elton John show.  I was 10th row center and saw plenty of celebs, but I didn't see Bruce.   

Jill, among crossdressers we say that 1 in 20 people dresses, much higher than the numbers frequently cited for transgender people. Maybe due to differing interpetations of what transgender includes?

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 07, 2014, 01:55:31 PM
Jill, among crossdressers we say that 1 in 20 people dresses, much higher than the numbers frequently cited for transgender people. Maybe due to differing interpetations of what transgender includes?

I just realized after that post that I was probably going to get hit over semantics.  By "transgender" here, I meant female-identified and transitioning.  I probably should have been more clear and said "transsexual".  I tend to think of the term "transgender" as someone who ID's as something other than their GAAB, but I know plenty of people who cast the net a bit wider.

No offense meant.

I've actually heard that probably 50% of self-ID'd (cis)guys wear women's things at least once. 

I wouldn't argue with 50%, I think every guy grabs that bra and panties once, don't they?

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 07, 2014, 02:49:25 PM
I wouldn't argue with 50%, I think every guy grabs that bra and panties once, don't they?

I don't know actually.  I never dressed until I was finally honest with myself at age 43.  Did I want to before that?  Yes.  I was just afraid of where it would lead me.  I didn't want to open that fat can of worms until I was actually hospitalized.

I guess he is transitioning. Radaronline has pics of him up with nail polish on. And before people saying why the media all on him well that family craved this attention so now they have to deal with it


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Quote from: TinaVane on October 29, 2014, 01:09:42 PM
I guess he is transitioning. Radaronline has pics of him up with nail polish on. And before people saying why the media all on him well that family craved this attention so now they have to deal with it


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Nail polish does not prove MTF transition.  I was in bands with cishet guys who wore black nail polish. 

Quote from: Jill F on October 29, 2014, 01:36:38 PM
Nail polish does not prove MTF transition.  I was in bands with cishet guys who wore black nail polish. 

Talking with a small group of my cishet friends about how androgynous I dare get it seemed that nail poilish would be a "bridge too far" while ear rings would be pushing the limit.  Now the nail polish in question would be the flaming pink stuff I use not black that might have matched something in a band uniform.  They are also probably thinking of the small ear rings some of the young guys wear in church - not the big dangly things I would use (but then I might compromise a wee bit).  My trans doctor took the opposite view when I showed up with the pink nail polish and no ear rings - she wondered why I didn't "dress" (in that outfit most random people read me as female...)

I agree, even with the nail polish incident it is useless to speculate.  It would seem most any which way Bruce has had a difficult go of it, and being associated with Kris and her clan has probably made it worse.


Erin

Perhaps this has already been posed, but what will it take to resolve
this speculation?  I don't know whether it really matters, but I don't
think anyone should be tortured for their choice.

Quote from: Mary Anne on October 29, 2014, 05:38:08 PM
Perhaps this has already been posed, but what will it take to resolve
this speculation?  I don't know whether it really matters, but I don't
think anyone should be tortured for their choice.

I'm one to think that the only thing that will resolve the speculation is when/if they come out publically.  Either way, I hope that Bruce will tread carefully as not to shed negative light upon this community.

Quote from: Jill F on October 29, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
I'm one to think that the only thing that will resolve the speculation is when/if they come out publically.  Either way, I hope that Bruce will tread carefully as not to shed negative light upon this community.

Bruce is part of the Kardashian clown show so if it turns out he is transitioning I think there will be plenty of negative light cast our way. I hope I'm wrong but something tells me I'm not.

I'm going to laugh if Bruce comes out of the closet and we find out that he is a member here and participating in the thread! lol I know it's something I would do if I were a secretly transitioning celebrity. You never know who here who it could be...

I actually think I know who she is on Susan's.
Clues form a while ago.

Interesting, but her secret is safe with me. ;)

I really don't care about any perceived negativity that would be cast on our community by one of us transitioning. I hope Bruce gets all the love and support any transgender person finds when they come here. And I share the belief that she is already here on the site.

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Wynternight on October 29, 2014, 07:41:56 PM
Bruce is part of the Kardashian clown show so if it turns out he is transitioning I think there will be plenty of negative light cast our way. I hope I'm wrong but something tells me I'm not.

Unfortunately, I don't think you are wrong. Just being clumped with the Kardashians will be negative enough.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 30, 2014, 07:44:01 AM
I really don't care about any perceived negativity that would be cast on our community by one of us transitioning. I hope Bruce gets all the love and support any transgender person finds when they come here. And I share the belief that she is already here on the site.

Me too. Actually I would be a little disappointed if they don't get the same love and support. Whether or not she's here already, who knows? If so, I really don't care. But it just make you wonder how many here are on the famous side though, but again I really don't care. They are just another human being here to me. Even in RL they are nothing more than another human being. Some celebrities may think they are Super Humans but that's just their egos.

I'm going to lock this topic.

Anyone who is gender diverse, their partners and others who are interested and supportive are welcome.

I think it would be very difficult for a person in public life to transition, we all know from personal experience how tough the journey can be.

Let us rejoice that high profile people can, if they wish, transition.

Let us rejoice that we can be accepted, no matter who we are.