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What, if anything, can you tell by how a person post in threads?

Do you think you could tell what gender a person is by subtleties in a persons words? Weather it be the under tone of their message or how they use words all together.

If the M or F or whatever a person identifies as on the site, and their feminine or masculine names were all removed do you think you could identify their gender by their writing?

If so could you tell if that person was in the beginning, middle, or finalizing their journey? If they had started hormones? Or anything else you might be able to observe.

Just a curious thought

I mean aside from when you hear the girls say things like sweety, darling, or when the guys say bro or whatever you guys may say. I think dude ha become a unisex term at times so I don't want to lump that one in, but you get the just. Kinda think some of the responses may be interesting to hear.

Interesting question :) Personally I call everyone 'babe', male or female. But I guess that's a British thing.
I think in some posts it may be possible to tell, but not in most. It would depend on how many posts that person had made and how much of their personality you were able to get from those posts I think.

I played Second Life for a few years (as female) and managed a couple of all girl regions there. Most of the time I could easily spot a guy pretending to be female, but not always. The ones I didn't spot, who eventually told me, were always trans :)

I wonder if swapping avatar pics would change perceptions of gender in posts too....like when you see a movie scene with, say, horror music, then with comedy music and it changes the whole feel of it.

You can tell a great number of things about a person by the way they write, actually, if you know what to look for. You can tell what mood they're in, for example. People often make the mistake of assuming that because you can't read body language or hear tone through text, this isn't possible, but people write differently depending on their mood. The differences are subtle, but they are there. Many people have been shocked when I asked them what's wrong out of the blue, thinking they were hiding being sad, depressed, etc. Then they suddenly open up to me about whatever burden they've been carrying.

Yes, I can usually tell someone's gender by how they write. And I can't think that this has ever been affected by how far along they are in transition. Nor does it have anything to do with how 'cutesy' or verbose their writing is. I'm not sure I could explain it. It's just something I pick up on. Maybe it's part of my OCD powers, lol.

This website claims to be able to tell: http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php? (http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php?)

*smiles*

I should take this opportunity to say that I've always admired the way you write, Suzi. It's very expressive and beautiful. It's often been inspiring to me.

I can usually pick up on m or f when someone first signs up and they can't use an avatar or their gender. I've noticed that f write a bit more and more descriptively. Very keen to detail most of the time. Sometimes I can pick up on moods but not always. I know a couple days ago I responded to a non gender post and after I replies came in I realized it was about 95% ftm before I even looked at the little stat box to the left.
I usually just read and don't think about it.
I think its interesting because cis male and female brains work completely different when ask to perform any task. So for most I think it furtheres  the proof of literally having a female brain (or male) and the wrong body. A conversation (well me arguing my point) with my mom yesterday evening.

So I went to the website mentioned by Suzi and after submitting... emm.. lol.. everything I possibly could for about a half hour.. The program tells me I'm female. I know it's just a computer but....... :D :D :D :D !!!!!!!! lol

Quote from: suzifrommd on January 06, 2015, 04:43:26 AM
This website claims to be able to tell: http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php? (http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php?)

I am going to have sooooo much fun with this. I have been writing all of my life. Music, stories, poems, even 3 chapters to a book. What I think will be interesting about this, is before I accepted myself I did quiet a bit of juicing ( taking steroids ).  Sometimes having my levels 10x average male levels. Now that I have accepted myself i know my writing has changed. I would like to see if there are periods of fluctuation periods where I didn't have ridiculous amounts of male hormones in my system.

Thank you this will certainly be fun  :)

Lol, I just tried that site using my posts on here. It seems my unhappy posts are male and my happy ones female :D Makes sense to me :)

This bit on the site made me laugh :
'This is better than random guessing (50%), but should not be interpreted as "fact". In particular, men should not be offended if it says you write like a girl.'

Ok, so I tried some of my post on here and got female everytime. I tried a chapter of my book and got very strong male. I tried a few verses to songs I have written and got mixed female and male ( most likely due to the genre and content in some of the lyrics ). Then I decided the best test would be to do some free writing. Just anything off the top of my head, anything that came out really That came back pretty overwhelmingly Female. So like Rotika said I know it's just a computer but it still gave me female lol. Even suprisingly on some things I knew would come back male.

I too have been writing from a young age. 3 unpublished books. Hundreds of short stories (outlines) for pencil/paper RPGs. Poems.. songs.. omg.. I submitted over 50,000 words easily and female to weak-female is all I got. So funny. The computer clocked me haha

I don't know if you saw the thread "who would you like to meet from the site" my new answer is Rotika lol
I love writing. My form is horrible from writing bars of music for so long. I always wanted to finish and publish my book, but when things started escalating with music I never had time.
God, I have probably written or do written 1000 songs lol.

Haha yes I read some of that "who do you want to meet" thread. Honestly I'd love to meet just about anyone like me. Would be fun to get a group together and goto a drag show.. Grab a limo.. a hotel.. a hangover LOL... but really just to disconnect from reality and slip into our own domain for a girls' night out.
   Music took me by surprise one day on the couch with my sister's guitar. Was on the couch all night googling how to play basic chords.. been studying all the techniques my head can handle since. I don't know sheet music to save my life.. only tabs. However, I've been quite the opposite. I grew up writing stories. Putting my words into songs has been.. eh.. not so great I suppose?

I agree I think the idea of getting together with people and feeling free for a night or two would be absolutely amazing. I didny expect to come on here and stay, but there's almost an instant bond is the best I know to explain it. Its weird, but good. Its addictive lol. To bad everyone is scattered out all over the world. We have pretty famous drag shows here in Atlanta. J/S lol.
I grew up almost being prepped to write. I remember aside from fiction I thought I would enjoy writing speeches. Then I picked up music it being part of the culture I grew up around and almost from day 1 was in the studio. So I got way out of form. The music I wrote I bet you would never guess what my genre was/is. That is also why I thought it would all come back male. Very masculine machismo brand. Surprisingly the more insightful and political verses I submitted came back female.
Forgive any mistakes ( we are talking about writing after all lol) but I'm on my phone without my contacts :-p

Oh I was gonna say. I could help you with putting your thought into music if you'd like. I wrote for all kinds of different artist and it was usually always about me pushing them in a direction to where they could write it themselves. That way the lyric evokes more emotion, therefore sounds more genuine and just better.

   I know exactly what you mean by us all being so scattered. Would be great to find myself in georgia again someday though. The military used to take me all over. But now I'm out and trying to find people like me in a small town in Ohio. No one within 50 miles would ever come out. Just too redneck. I grew up in the woods lol..
   Mistakes? hah.. When I write stories I try to write correctly so that there is no question in my meaning. When I write a message like this though.. I'm literally trying to make the reader be able to hear the conversation. And my words I hope are heard the way I would say them really. When I write a story my vocabulary may extend quite further than my spoken lexicon. So really in the end.. there are no smiley faces in webster's dictionary.. but I hope you enjoy reading them to enforce just what I was trying to get at. ;D There are no mistakes here. Just good conversations  ;)

Quote from: Rotika on January 06, 2015, 06:37:17 AM
   I know exactly what you mean by us all being so scattered. Would be great to find myself in georgia again someday though. The military used to take me all over. But now I'm out and trying to find people like me in a small town in Ohio. No one within 50 miles would ever come out. Just too redneck. I grew up in the woods lol..
   Mistakes? hah.. When I write stories I try to write correctly so that there is no question in my meaning. When I write a message like this though.. I'm literally trying to make the reader be able to hear the conversation. And my words I hope are heard the way I would say them really. When I write a story my vocabulary may extend quite further than my spoken lexicon. So really in the end.. there are no smiley faces in webster's dictionary.. but I hope you enjoy reading them to enforce just what I was trying to get at. ;D There are no mistakes here. Just good conversations  ;)

That would be so sweet of you. I'm not really sure how we could collaborate, but it would def be fun. I've had a few people try to follow me into my guitar playing.. not much luck. Most people say I'm a bit all over the place. I don't feel like I'm playing chords though. I feel like I'm playing feelings. I can't sing/play at the same time.. so I kind've use my guitar as a voice. I can hear the words I want to sing in my head.. but the moment I open my mouth my fingers forget what they were doing  ???

Where I live isn't much better. I'm close enough to Atlanta to go when o want, but to far to live in a liberal envirorment. I live in a town that I swear was created by fox news lol.
I got curious and snooped a bit and read your intro. We have a scary amount in common. You need to move down to GA girl. Lol.
Yeah I don't try to hard to be a great auther in post but I meant punctuation misspellings things like that. I cant see a ft in front of my face without my contacts and my nephew broke my glasses cause I wouldn't watch cartoons lol

Quote from: suzifrommd on January 06, 2015, 04:43:26 AM
This website claims to be able to tell: http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php? (http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php?)

I can't believe I got female, I tried two of my posts here and got female in both. Kinda weird, but happy about that.

As for me, I honestly can't tell if most posts here are by guys or girls unless I see 'F' or 'M' next to them, and since many don't list their gender, I usually go through their previous posts before responding to them. I don't think there's much of a difference.

Quote from: Leslie36369 on January 06, 2015, 07:07:27 AM
Where I live isn't much better. I'm close enough to Atlanta to go when o want, but to far to live in a liberal envirorment. I live in a town that I swear was created by fox news lol.
I got curious and snooped a bit and read your intro. We have a scary amount in common. You need to move down to GA girl. Lol.
Yeah I don't try to hard to be a great auther in post but I meant punctuation misspellings things like that. I cant see a ft in front of my face without my contacts and my nephew broke my glasses cause I wouldn't watch cartoons lol

Foxnewstown  omg lolz.. Consider yourself excused though. I'm going to PM you shortly. I think we've sufficiently hijacked this thread. haha

OK and yes we have lol

I tried some of my posts from here on that Gender Guesser link and they mostly came out 'weak female', i.e. in the 40-50% range, with some going in the 50-60% range.
I tried some stuff I had written long back, formal as well as informal, and it almost always came out male, ranging from around 50% to as high as 75% in some cases.

Am I changing with time, or am I just writing differently on this forum, or is this thing totally nuts? :P

I think its changing with time. The more stuff I sunmitter that was newer the more was female.
All of my post were female (that I submitted at aleast ) may also be that we are able to speak freely from judgment . 

I put quite a bit of writing into the guesser, before I saw that it is only designed to work for American English. Canadian/European English tends to give "weak gender" identifications, which is why it says that you're probably European when it does that.   

To answer the OP, no, I can't tell. I don't really try to.

I noticed that too. I'm American so I guess it wasn't biased towards me.
I kept wanting to read all the stuff below but I got infatuated with how female my writing was and obsessivley ran more things through.
I think I'm going to go read the description underneath while I'm away from all my word documents lol

OK so I just read most of the description and this probably stood out to me more than anything. It is the example they give for this bullet. It would be easy to interperut this to a lot of our personal circumstances. How we presented most of our lives.

Many factors can impact the interpretation from any single person's writing. The content, knowledge of the material, age of the author, nationality, experience, occupation, and education level can all impact writing styles. For example, a woman who has spent 20 years working in a male-dominated field may write like her co-workers. Similarly, professional female writers (and experienced hobbyists) frequently use male writing styles. Gender Guesser does not take any of these factors into account.

Well, philosophy is overwhelmingly dominated by men, probably 95% of the people I've read were male -- and the other 5% that were female probably wrote like males because of the sources of their education.

Although, that implies that pretty much all good, and professional writers, write like men...

What I felt was the most honest is when I just sit down and wrote whatever I was thinking at the moment. From what I can tell it doesn't have a biased towards substance, rather word gfoupings.
When I put in some free writing it came back with a high female score but there was still some male in there. Which I think due to many factors listed and otherwise I will always have.
I know the whole thing seems silly but I think for all of us it is a good acknowledgment that the way we write therefore likely the way we speak is for feminine.

Too bad it only works for American English though, I should look around for one that works for European English.

I play an online game called Bad Eggs once in a while.  It has a lot of players of all different ages, and unfortunately has a lot of horny young teenagers.  I got tired of getting hit on, so I changed my avatar from a female avatar to a distinctly male one with a beard.  I didn't fool a single person.  I just started getting unsolicited advice from every group of random strangers telling me things like "you know, if you want to make people think you're a guy, you really need to [insert whatever it was]."  It was weird and I still have no idea how that happened.  But it went on for a couple of hours.  I tried doing that again recently and got the same result.  No idea why.

On trans* sites, I'm afraid I usually get it backwards.  I tend to see posts fro my trans women and think they are from men and trans men and think they are from women.  I'm to the point where I tend to guess a gender and then use its opposite pronouns because I'm usually backwards.

I've seen the gender guesser site.  I don't remember if I tried it.  But I'm not going to because it seems about as valid as things like the COGIATI or those "what greek goddess are you?" type quizzes.  But it's a fun little game, I suppose.

I need to check out some RPG's it seems like most of the people here play something and I'm up all kinds of crazy hours with nothing to do.
What are some that are fun? I haven't played any in forever

Years ago, someone told me that I was very intense just by reading my handwriting. I never really thought of myself as an intense individual.

:)

Quote from: suzifrommd on January 06, 2015, 04:43:26 AM
This website claims to be able to tell: http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php? (http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php?)

I got "weak male". I guess it's only judging by writing styles and not by muscles... *flexes* :-P

I disagree that it's about brain differences; while there is some difference between how men and women function socially perhaps, this difference is clouded by years of socialization, at least when it comes to writing/speaking styles. I grew up with brothers, and I generally have masculine patterns of speech, which I tried to cover up for some years by trying to go more feminine. However, now that I'm presenting masculine I'm realizing how feminine my speech patterns/voice are.

I mostly get weak female, but not so much from my postings here.