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Thought this would be an interesting topic... hope I'm right. Anyway anyone think their body transitioned odd or was it a bit different than you expected and were you concerned about the new happenings with your body etc. For me I am really loving my hrt effects for the most part. After 1 month and 3 weeks of Spirono I already had fat redistribution. Now after 1 week of low dose estradiol and 3 days medium dose estradiol I have a fairly feminine figure already... due too oddly but pleasantly wide pelvis as a birth male. As for body hair, it has decreased significantly in most places ie legs, stomach especially upper waist and ribs, hair in-between legs and on rear is lower etc. However, my arm hair and some chest hairs are enjoying their stay still though chest hair is lower there are still some dark horrible ones lingering. And my arm hair is lighter and thinner but it is like a forest now the density is greater than it was without estrogen though each hair is lighter and thinner... odd?

In any case I am happy but some things are just weird and unexpected.

How about you all?

everyone experiences changes differently. wonder how i would react. the wait is a killer but if i gotta wait, i gotta wait

While it's not an odd effect, my skin tone went from sand to ivory/porcelain in 4 months. Additionally, my acne has been greatly reduced. One thing that's a bit annoying is that anything remotely emotional on TV or on the Internet will make me cry pretty much.

Well Echo I really hope you can start soon. You trying to get a counselors approval or something along those lines? Pssst, psssst, I'm self medicating though I'm not vouching for everyone to do so nor will I give dosages but it is my only option as of now. Am worried about blood work and wanting to get my chemicals and hormones really tested at some point though.

Also to you Chloe, the lightening of the skin happens to every mtf as you may know because the skin thins which in return the amount of melanin as well... I believe, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Lol, I love being white and was really white before now I'm nearly ghostly white haha, would scare people at night time.

Quote from: ChloëAri on April 17, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
While it's not an odd effect, my skin tone went from sand to ivory/porcelain in 4 months. Additionally, my acne has been greatly reduced. One thing that's a bit annoying is that anything remotely emotional on TV or on the Internet will make me cry pretty much.

Emotional??? Tell me about it, after a long, long time, still gets me, so easily tear up, happy endings, sad endings... Unsavory news reports... Wow... But kinda cute too  :laugh:

L Katy

i'm sry but imma warn you. you cant talk about self medicating. its against the rules. anyways, my therapist can issue my letter anytime i need him to. i can't right now because i have to save up

Quote from: ClaireIvene on April 18, 2015, 12:11:21 AM
I'm self medicating

Buying shares in tissue supply companies should be a first step for girls going on HRT!

You can talk about self medication but no doses or where you obtain hormones. But it is a very dangerous practice with potential life threatening consequences. Do get a medic to supervise you please before something horrible happens such as a DVT or a stroke. It does happen.

Quote from: Echo Alcestis on April 18, 2015, 12:26:28 AM
i'm sry but imma warn you. you cant talk about self medicating. its against the rules.

While talking about self-medication is contrary to the rules of this site, the mention of one's participation in it is not.

Please also conform to some sort of reasonable typing standards. This forum isn't a YouTube commentary section. 

well its not really my job to moderate but i've seen some get in trouble for that. thats all it is. why havent i heard about the tissue shares? guess i need to get out more

Quote from: ChloëAri on April 18, 2015, 01:09:42 AM

Quote from: Echo Alcestis on April 18, 2015, 12:26:28 AM
i'm sry but imma warn you. you cant talk about self medicating. its against the rules.

While talking about self-medication is contrary to the rules of this site, the mention of one's participation in it is not.

Please also conform to some sort of reasonable typing standards. This forum isn't a YouTube commentary section.

Please there is no reason to be aggressive. There are no ToS that refer to typing styles. Thank You.
Cindy

Yes, Echo I am aware of that section of the ToS conduct for the boards; thanks for looking out. I did make my self medicating statement within the realm of acceptance however by indicating that 'I'm not vouching for the self medicating path nor doing the same for mentioning dosages.'


It's interesting that the emotional change took around 5 days for me and even then the emotional awareness was only slight. It took till I doubled my dose by taking the original amount twice daily at 12 hour intervals on the clock till I started getting the more potent emotional changes. I'm sure loving the fact that the numbness I suffered through for so looong(3.5 years now) is being replaced with more smiles, empathy, and tears of joy and/or sadness. It used to be that that the only emotion I felt strongly in that 3.4 or 4 years was anger and regret... horrible times, I never want them again.

FYI: I'm IS.

I was born with Albinism (yup, I'm an Albino), and the strangest thing for me, is my Albinism is correcting it's self.  My body is producing pigmentation.  And I have  blond hair now, not white.  Also my eyes are correcting themselves too.  I mean, I'm still legally blind, but they are working a tad better.

Also my bones are changing.  My skull, shin bones, and hips are changing, and I'm 35! 

When I started twenty months ago, I did a ton of research, before I started self medicating (Please do not do this, as this can be harmful, seek out a doctor before starting hrt), and don't worry, I'm up to six doctors now!  These are really the only changes I've had noticed.

Quote from: ClaireIvene on April 18, 2015, 03:45:50 AM
Yes, Echo I am aware of that section of the ToS conduct for the boards; thanks for looking out. I did make my self medicating statement within the realm of acceptance however by indicating that 'I'm not vouching for the self medicating path nor doing the same for mentioning dosages.'


It's interesting that the emotional change took around 5 days for me and even then the emotional awareness was only slight. It took till I doubled my dose by taking the original amount twice daily at 12 hour intervals on the clock till I started getting the more potent emotional changes. I'm sure loving the fact that the numbness I suffered through for so looong(3.5 years now) is being replaced with more smiles, empathy, and tears of joy and/or sadness. It used to be that that the only emotion I felt strongly in that 3.4 or 4 years was anger and regret... horrible times, I never want them again.

Claire,
You are playing with fire, please see a medic. Please! I don't want to loose you.

Cindy

Quote from: Cindy on April 18, 2015, 04:18:15 AM
Claire,
You are playing with fire, please see a medic. Please! I don't want to loose you.

Cindy

Thanks for the concern, glade you care for me that's sweet! We are all and should all be here for each other; right everyone.. right. ( :

I know though, I really would love too at least for my blood tests. I live in a really small town called Red Bluff in Northern California. It's a rodeo town as a matter of fact it's the rodeo capital of the us well one of them. Transgender is rare here I have only ever met one other here and she moved anyway, I'm probably the only transwoman in my town now... lol! Good luck finding a doc here for my meds the most liberal town near me in Chico, CA around 50 miles south of my house there are trans therapists and such there at least. Considering moving there sometime.

Hugs Hon,

I can only imagine your journey. I'm several thouand miles away in Australia. But I do care.

Stay strong

Quote from: Cindy on April 18, 2015, 04:44:43 AM
Hugs Hon,

I can only imagine your journey. I'm several thouand miles away in Australia. But I do care.

Stay strong

Thank you for the compassion dear, your just too sweet.

Thanks.

Quote from: Cindy on April 18, 2015, 04:18:15 AM
Claire,
You are playing with fire, please see a medic. Please! I don't want to loose you.

Cindy

This is my biggest worry about telling people not to post their (potentially fatallly high) dosages or meds.  Cindy you are doing really well.  Can the mods who edit posts please warn the poster if they seem to be taking something dangerous?

I do self medicate too, and I agree it's not a good thing to do, and hopefully only temporary for a short amount of time for me, I really wish to see an endo, therapist, etc.. But I can't at the moment... I've not been on hrt long enough, but however  I must say that my voice is getting somewhat clearer, sometimes I find it hard to make my voice sound more masculine without sounding weird.

Oh yeah, and my voice has been slowly changing.  My lower register is going up.  My Adam's apple never grew because I didn't have a male puberty, but it seems to be moving up.  I've also noticed the way I speak has been changing in the last month or so.  I can talk faster, without making a lot of mistakes, or getting hung up on what I'm saying.

And my Mom says I seam more "flamboyant", as of late.

I haven't done anything to learn new mannerisms, but the few that are changing, have just come naturally to me.

So.... idk.

Well, I was startled by visible breast development in the first week. But the one thing I really didn't expect is that I started developing freckles. :) At least I think they're cute!


(I also started on an endo-supervised very low dose, so low some would say it's ineffective... and at the 3-month checkup I was showing signs of liver damage. I understand why people self-medicate, but my endo said if I had, the first symptom that something was wrong in my case might have been liver failure.)

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 07:57:30 AM
I do self medicate too, and I agree it's not a good thing to do, and hopefully only temporary for a short amount of time for me, I really wish to see an endo, therapist, etc.. But I can't at the moment... I've not been on hrt long enough, but however  I must say that my voice is getting somewhat clearer, sometimes I find it hard to make my voice sound more masculine without sounding weird.

It must be some other cause because HRT has no effect on ones voice. I wish it did!

i have the ability to either lower my voice or make my voice sound higher. people keep asking me to talk in my real voice because apparently it sounds "sexy"

Quote from: CB on April 18, 2015, 10:22:12 AM
It must be some other cause because HRT has no effect on ones voice. I wish it did!

That's not true, myself and other girls on youtube will disagree with you, and I didn't say that my voice got super high, but I don't have a particularly low voice to begin with, and I said it sounds clearer.

Quote from: CB on April 18, 2015, 10:22:12 AM
It must be some other cause because HRT has no effect on ones voice. I wish it did!

My voice has become much more feminine without any form of voice training. I'm not saying that HRT is the absolute cause, but I believe it has an effect.

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
That's not true, myself and other girls on youtube will disagree with you, and I didn't say that my voice got super high, but I don't have a particularly low voice to begin with, and I said it sounds clearer.

OK I willing to be proved wrong then. Can you point me towards any clinical evidence that supports this? I am not aware of any myself. Are you sure it's not a placebo effect resulting from increased confidence etc?

Actually I'm convinced I feel the cold a bit more now.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on April 18, 2015, 09:10:58 AM
(I also started on an endo-supervised very low dose, so low some would say it's ineffective... and at the 3-month checkup I was showing signs of liver damage. I understand why people self-medicate, but my endo said if I had, the first symptom that something was wrong in my case might have been liver failure.)

If it was ethinyl estradiol or even Premarin, I wouldn't be surprised. Even at low doses. No doctor should ever prescribe this to any of us given the safer alternatives, IMHO. What were the signs of liver damage? Do you remember?

Quote from: CB on April 18, 2015, 10:22:12 AM
It must be some other cause because HRT has no effect on ones voice. I wish it did!

I agree. +1. Absolutely no effect since vocal cords cannot shrink in the presence of E. Only the lack of T (low T) prevents them from increasing (thickening and getting longer) too much and producing a "male" sound (lower pitch and resonance).

Kay : It was Climara patch, within the mid-range of what's given to menopausal cis women. I'd never agree to be put on Premarin (I've actually refused) or ethinyl estradiol for exactly that reason; I've worked as a medical librarian, so I'm well aware of the risks.

As for the rest of it, last time you and I talked about this I did explain further and you continued to insist that my doctor and endo and labs were all wrong/misinterpreted because it was impossible for my E dose to have caused liver problems, so I'm happy to simply stipulate that we don't agree but I trust my own medical professionals.

Is just strange I think because low dose Climara would deliver the estradiol right into the blood and since the dose is low, there would be very little going through the liver. Also, if such low levels of estradiol were harmful to the liver, then all ciswomen around the globe (or, at the very least, many of them, given individual differences)  should be suffering liver complications. I'm not a doctor but it seems to me, based on common sense, that liver complications were caused by something entirely different.

Quote from: CB on April 18, 2015, 12:32:13 PM
OK I willing to be proved wrong then. Can you point me towards any clinical evidence that supports this? I am not aware of any myself. Are you sure it's not a placebo effect resulting from increased confidence etc?

I'm pretty sure it's in the papers of changes you need to sign before getting hormones to your endo, or something, that your voice might change, it's definitely something that depends on the person, and it might only be a small change. I also know a lot of other trans youtubers who notice the change as well. If you don't see or don't want to believe me, I don't care, I'm not getting anything from proving you wrong.

Quote from: ClaireIvene on April 17, 2015, 09:17:11 PM
Thought this would be an interesting topic... hope I'm right. Anyway anyone think their body transitioned odd or was it a bit different than you expected and were you concerned about the new happenings with your body etc. For me I am really loving my hrt effects for the most part. After 1 month and 3 weeks of Spirono I already had fat redistribution. Now after 1 week of low dose estradiol and 3 days medium dose estradiol I have a fairly feminine figure already... due too oddly but pleasantly wide pelvis as a birth male. As for body hair, it has decreased significantly in most places ie legs, stomach especially upper waist and ribs, hair in-between legs and on rear is lower etc. However, my arm hair and some chest hairs are enjoying their stay still though chest hair is lower there are still some dark horrible ones lingering. And my arm hair is lighter and thinner but it is like a forest now the density is greater than it was without estrogen though each hair is lighter and thinner... odd?

In any case I am happy but some things are just weird and unexpected.

How about you all?

my arm hair lighter, thinner but I had a lot for a female.
I now wax it

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 11:01:04 PM
I'm pretty sure it's in the papers of changes you need to sign before getting hormones to your endo, or something, that your voice might change, it's definitely something that depends on the person, and it might only be a small change. I also know a lot of other trans youtubers who notice the change as well. If you don't see or don't want to believe me, I don't care, I'm not getting anything from proving you wrong.

I was told that erectile dysfunction and loss of libido would happen when I started hormones - still waiting for either to happen.. Actually, my estrogen warns that I might have heavier than normal periods or spotting..  My point? Just because it's on some list, doesn't mean it will happen or is even true.

There is zero medical evidence to suggest that estrogen causes any change to the vocal chords. What I will suggest is that hormones are a confidence booster and being more confident in who you are can manifest in many ways..

As for youtubers, the reason I no longer have any real trust or belief in them is that I've seen one too many proved fake, either partly or entirely. Results from hormones claimed by the person to have taken 6 months, you find out actually took 3 years. And other stuff like that.. It's very easy to say whatever you like with some cleverly edited video and no medical evidence.

I just posted my message and it actually did not post... very mad it was like 2 paragraphs long grrrrr!! Well, not posting that message again but I simply wanted to state that voice can be very slightly feminized by estrogen alone by way of raising the placement of the adams apple as it does so slightly. Though, yes, of course voice training has to be done for any reasonable convincing female voice.

Thanks for sharing that I'm not alone on that damn arm hair thing Nocole, I wonder if estrogen feeds arm hair just like testosterone does.

Quote from: ClaireIvene on April 19, 2015, 01:44:12 AM
I just posted my message and it actually did not post... very mad it was like 2 paragraphs long grrrrr!! Well, not posting that message again but I simply wanted to state that voice can be very slightly feminized by estrogen alone by way of raising the placement of the adams apple as it does so slightly. Though, yes, of course voice training has to be done for any reasonable convincing female voice.

Thanks for sharing that I'm not alone on that damn arm hair thing Nocole, I wonder if estrogen feeds arm hair just like testosterone does.

Got any actual science to support this? I've not seen any and anecdotal evidence doesn't count.

My own experiences is enough for me. Since I'm not being paid to delve scientifically and experiment with control and non control groups I won't bother nor have the means to provide evidence for my claims. Albeit, convincing evidence of the contrary is also not going to be brought forth as I foresee it.

 :police:

I have had enough of bickering.

Address the questions from the OP civilly or I shall lock.

There are replies here that I can moderate under ToS.

I suggest posters read the ToS which you are legally bound to by being accepted as members of this site.

Cindy
Forum Admin

Ok, point taken Cindy. 

Thank you.

No problem, this is after all supposed to be a friendly place for us to relax on from the world anyway.

I have an odd transition effect or one I did not know pre HRT. Mt skin is thinner. This is an issue on my arms because I have a lot of scars on my arms. When I am in the sun and slightly tan the scars become very noticeable.

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 11:01:04 PM
If you don't see or don't want to believe me, I don't care, I'm not getting anything from proving you wrong.

There's really no need to be defensive. I was only politely asking if you had any links because I've never seen any clinical reference that supports this. in fact quite the opposite. For example the information provided by the GIC's explicitly says not (and that's in line with everything I've read elsewhere). So if there are any indications that this might possibly be true I would love to read them.  Are you sure you are not confusing this this with the effects of T in FTM's where the voice does lower after a while?

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 11:01:04 PM
I'm pretty sure it's in the papers of changes you need to sign before getting hormones to your endo, or something, that your voice might change, it's definitely something that depends on the person, and it might only be a small change. I also know a lot of other trans youtubers who notice the change as well. If you don't see or don't want to believe me, I don't care, I'm not getting anything from proving you wrong.

It's biologically impossible and the voice will only deepen (change) in transsexual males.

No I don't have any link, and if you don't want to believe me, I just really don't care, I don't know if there is studies or not, I am just saying my OWN experience with this, what I experienced, and that was the question of this thread, if someone experienced some "odd" effects. As far as I understood, it's not supposed to be thread where you are looking to invalidate someone's experience, I know some people claim that they became shorter after hrt, while some people think it's impossible, etc... I don't know about that, because I didn't experience any of that, but I don't want to not believe it, just because I didn't get that change.

If it's in a list of possibles changes, then someone else might have seen that change too, and as I said before, It wasn't for me actually a higher pitch feminization type of change, more of my voice sounding clearer.

Locked.