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Hi,

   The other night I was imagining what kind of body I would like and I settled on a combination of genitals from each sex.  I've felt this way before but have been kind of reticent in writing it because I assumed I'd be stoned.  One time I did ask if anyone had considered having a mixed set of genitalia but the first response was 'why would anyone want that?'.  That answer didn't bother me, but it showed that maybe I was thinking something that nobody would be interested in.

  So, I was trying to picture what I am and once again a mixed set of genitalia was there.  It's not like a fetish thing.  I'm not fantasizing about it.  It's just there sometimes.  Sometimes it's different.  I'm not going to get into details because I don't want to start out by sounding like I'm just being weird for the sake of it.

  Does anybody think that there may be a GID condition towards being intersexed?

  Does anyone have the feeling sometimes that they should have a mixed set of genitalia?

  Does this just sound like something that people who are confused over gender might sometimes feel if they are moving fluidly around anyway?  Like sometimes you want one set, sometimes the other set, sometimes neither, sometimes both.


Rebis

Quote from: Rebis on September 02, 2007, 05:51:52 PM
  Does anybody think that there may be a GID condition towards being intersexed?

I don't see any reason why not.  Personally (being closer to neutrois than anything) I want to be rid of the guy bits and end up with partial female genitalia at most.  I can totally see though how somebody who feels they're more a mixture of male and female would want a genital configuration to match. 

Do you have any specific idea of what genital configuration would be right for you?  Just wondering how people figure this kind of thing out.  I feel fairly comfortable with having a clitoris and tidy labia but not with having the full SRS.  I'm not sure if that desire is innate or if it's the result of weighing up the pros and cons of all the possibilities, deciding on the best compromise and taking some time to think about what having that configuration would be like...

Posted on: September 02, 2007, 06:05:04 PM

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I don't feel fluid on the issue but I do feel often that various parts of my brain conflict a bit.  Some bits are saying nullification is the way forwards and some are saying female genitalia, even have occasional positive thoughts about my current configuration, but they're rare.  It's a bit of a minefield really, I hate to think what it'd be like if I was more strongly gendered (unless I was conveniently near enough to a binary)

Hi Andra,

   I'm beginning to believe that I may be more confused than the ordinary TG.  :laugh:

   Sometimes, I feel like I want the penis but no testicles, then other times I feel like I want the penis and a vagina right below it instead of testicles.  I pretty much never want the testicles.  I'm don't feel a need for breasts either.

   I'm sure this just sounds messed up and maybe it is. I guess that's the point of the question.

Hmmm I assume it would be possible to remove the testicles and make a vagina, giving you both a penis and vagina. Wonder if any surgeons would be willing.
If that were possible, would you have it done?

Quote from: Nero on September 02, 2007, 06:37:30 PM
Hmmm I assume it would be possible to remove the testicles and make a vagina, giving you both a penis and vagina. Wonder if any surgeons would be willing.
If that were possible, would you have it done?

No.  Not in the life I am living now.  It wouldn't work in my relationship.  Also, I accept who I am right now and I'm okay with not physically being the person that I sometimes want to be.  I am not suffering any dysphoria at this time.

I just find it weird that I would even imagine or consider something like that.

QuoteDoes anybody think that there may be a GID condition towards being intersexed?

  Does anyone have the feeling sometimes that they should have a mixed set of genitalia?

Many years ago I had a dream in which I was multi gendered, with breasts and clearly female in appearance, but still had a penis. I can't remember the exact timing, but I believe it was pre or very early on during transition. This dream was quite profound, and seemed to be a window into who I am. Not male, not female, a combination of both or other.

Zythyra

I'd like to have a mix set. As stated somewhere else, I'm autosexual. JK.. well, sorta...

Anyways, I'd enjoy getting myself pregnant and custody would never be a problem. Though, I may be treading on dangerous ice if the sperm from the same set of genes is fertilizing like egg.

Quote from: Candi Nahasapeemapetilon on September 02, 2007, 07:52:02 PM
I'd like to have a mix set. As stated somewhere else, I'm autosexual. JK.. well, sorta...

Anyways, I'd enjoy getting myself pregnant and custody would never be a problem. Though, I may be treading on dangerous ice if the sperm from the same set of genes is fertilizing like egg.

Are you serious about wanting to have a mixed set, Candi?  Just wondering.

     Maybe the vagina for me is representing my desire to be indisputably female/male/othered in a way that cannot argued by people in general.  One of my little problems is knowing that people do not understand or quite believe me when I explain myself.  If the condition was physical, they would have nothing to doubt.

unlike some, i don't HATE my penis. it's nice in it's own way. however i do like vaginas as well. It's the testes that are nasty. They hang, they sweat, they get hairy, they hurt if you get hit....

ODE to the TESTES:

born boy, not girl, with a pair below,
out popped one, then two, hello!
built me strong, black beard, voice deep,
made me horny, perverted creep,
then one day, browsing internet,
discovered girls with boobs and yet,
down below, hung two small spheres
made me think: straight i am, or am i queer,
gosh those girls, she-males so nice,
can i combine, sugar and spice?
researched the drugs, away i go,
to match two boobs to balls below!

Hi Candi,

yeah, I hate those slimy Bastrads too (my testes).

Just so you know, I don't hate your penis either.  (I'm sorry, I just can't help myself. These comments are just flowing)

Hmmm Very interesting. So the sac is more bothersome than the penis? I always thought it was all about the penis that bothered male-bodied TGs.

The contents of the sac, most of the time. They are the parts that get in the way most often, and definitely the ones that hurt the most when they get in the way. The penis just does stupid things on its own (which of course can be pretty annoying on occasion), but it also has functions that seem more immediately useful in everyday life than producing sperm and testosterone.

  Nfr

If I could I think I would like to be able to swap back and forth as i feel like it.

But I would have to agree that the sac is more bothersome than the penis. There functionality is not something you can interact with, so from a user perspective they just hang there waiting to provide pain.

I loved your poem Candi!  :eusa_clap:

     The evil sac does nothing beyond holding my arch enemy, the testes.  I still have it in the back of my mind to fire those two beasts.

      In my case, the feeling I have for my sac is probably similar to an FtM's feelings for his ovaries.

Rebis..

for us to take the adventure and annihilate the evil that lies in SAC headquarters, we'll have to assault the dark tower that's stands guard. Perhaps Colonel Lingus can guide us down the path less traveled.

;)

Quote from: Candi Nahasapeemapetilon on September 03, 2007, 06:41:24 PM
Rebis..

for us to take the adventure and annihilate the evil that lies in SAC headquarters, we'll have to assault the dark tower that's stands guard. Perhaps Colonel Lingus can guide us down the path less traveled.

;)

That was a good one, Candi.   :laugh:

Posted on: September 03, 2007, 07:03:30 PM

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Hi,

   I've been thinking about this and I'm sensing that I may be having the mixed genitalia images of myself because of simple uncertainty and confusion.  I'm not in a dysphoric episode and I don't feel bad about myself.  I've just been trying to 'see' myself as to how I should be.  I guess it's just kind of enhanced by my imagination.  :)

  I certainly have no intention to try anything medical to change myself at this time, and, if I did, it would probably not be what I described.

  I'm still curious, however, if people exist who do have GID that makes them feel they should be intersexed.  Maybe I'll go ask the intersexed people about it.


See you in the monastery,

Rebis

Quote from: y2gender on September 02, 2007, 07:27:33 PMMany years ago I had a dream in which I was multi gendered, with breasts and clearly female in appearance, but still had a penis.

That sounds like my body right now. :P

Quote from: y2gender on September 02, 2007, 07:27:33 PM
Many years ago I had a dream in which I was multi gendered, with breasts and clearly female in appearance, but still had a penis. I can't remember the exact timing, but I believe it was pre or very early on during transition. This dream was quite profound, and seemed to be a window into who I am. Not male, not female, a combination of both or other.

Zythyra

It just occurred to me that maybe we are female except for the vagina?  I mean, maybe that's where our self conceptualization ends.  But why?
   Could it be a spiritual and psychological condition in some way? As opposed to a physical need or an entirely psychological condition.  Could we be angels?  I'm not kidding.

   I guess it can be said that I'm not a TS obviously, but where does this odd self conceptualization come from?  I know I'm in the water of gender Variance and I have no shore in sight.  I'm okay with that, somehow.  I'm beginning to feel that I have wings.

QuoteMany years ago I had a dream in which I was multi gendered, with breasts and clearly female in appearance, but still had a penis.

This reminds me of a dream I had many times when I was about 11. As I recall everyone had both sets of sex organs but everyone preferred to penetrate rather than to be penetrated (except me). And we were all running around on a playground and in my apartment and I would pretend to try and avoid getting caught. At that time I knew very little about actual sex and nothing at all about TS or TG issues. I loved this dream.

Posted on: September 05, 2007, 07:17:08 PM

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When I first started hearing about intersexed or TS people it sounded to me like humanity was trying to perfect itself. It seemed like spreading the gene pool around would work better if everyone could play either part of the genetic binary.

Why does anyone have to be any part of the gender binary?

QuoteWhy does anyone have to be any part of the gender binary?

I specifically referred to the 'genetic binary' since that is the way nature works. The only reason anyone needs to participate is to perpetuate the species. Gender is a whole other subject and I am fluid on that subject.

Guh.  Sorry, sarawatidevi.  I'm trying to save up enough money for new glasses.  My eyesight is terrible.  Please forgive me.

No problem. I thought maybe you had misread that one word. What is more interesting is that I tried to look at your profile and the system informed me that you don't exist! Is this something you set up in your profile on purpose? Or is that something that comes with being a 'Guest' instead of a member?

Quote from: Rebis on September 05, 2007, 06:57:49 PM

   It just occurred to me that maybe we are female except for the vagina?  I mean, maybe that's where our self conceptualization ends.  But why?
   Could it be a spiritual and psychological condition in some way? As opposed to a physical need or an entirely psychological condition.  Could we be angels?  I'm not kidding.

   I guess it can be said that I'm not a TS obviously, but where does this odd self conceptualization come from?  I know I'm in the water of gender Variance and I have no shore in sight.  I'm okay with that, somehow.  I'm beginning to feel that I have wings.

Rebis,

I don't think I'm an angel, I doubt that I've evolved enough on a spiritual plane to qualify, but then, maybe angels don't know that they are angels, they're just doing what they're supposed to do in the world, and occasionally kvetching about it, "oy what a day I had down there on earth, almost burned my wings again".  :angel:

Female except for having a penis? Perhaps. I suppose I could be considered non-op, non-hrt m2f TS instead of androgyne. Maybe it doesn't even really matter, they're all labels. I do prefer the word androgyne, seems more like a spiritual journey, which is how this feels, the other is only a medical diagnosis. I don't like being defined as a condition. What is clear to me from my dream, and the way that I feel, is that my spirit/soul/heart is one gender, my body another. What is important to me is to honor who I am. Whether it's also important to live that outwardly... I'm still trying to figure it all out.

Zythyra

Rebis,

I have often wished I had both sex organs...an "innie" and an "outie", along with B-cups on top.  Unlike others, the things in the sack don't really bother me (though they would if I really had both organs).

For now, it is live with what I've got.  Actually, hair transplants to cover my receding hairline are more important to me right now than the other....sheesh, I'm so vain... ::)

In a perfect world, I agree with NickSister...the ability to switch back and forth on demand would be fantastic!  To bad they don't have "Plug and Play" for that...where are Apple and Microsoft when you really need them? 

Loved the poem, Candi...and you're so darn cute too!

Zythyra...your dream is my dream too...how does this keep happening?

........Laurry

QuoteZythyra...your dream is my dream too...how does this keep happening?

Like minds  :)

Maybe we should come up with new twin names.... Laurryra... or Zythaurry, hmmm these aren't easy to pronounce

your sister... umm, brother... maybe sisbro or brosis

Z

Quote from: y2gender on September 06, 2007, 02:04:14 PM

QuoteZythyra...your dream is my dream too...how does this keep happening?

Like minds  :)

I like minds too...they are sooo much fun to mess with

Quote
Maybe we should come up with new twin names.... Laurryra... or Zythaurry, hmmm these aren't easy to pronounce

your sister... umm, brother... maybe sisbro or brosis

Z

My Sisbro Z...yeah, I like that.  Brosis sounds too much like some kind of periodontal disease or something..."poor guy, he has the looks, but that brosis makes me want to gag"   >:D

Keep your name...I think it is wonderful

........Laurry

QuoteMy Sisbro Z...yeah, I like that.  Brosis sounds too much like some kind of periodontal disease or something..."poor guy, he has the looks, but that brosis makes me want to gag"   Evil

Keep your name...I think it is wonderful

Hi sisbro Laurry,

Likewise, I like your name, you should keep it. I also agree, brosis sounds like a disease...

your sisbro Z