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Title: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Cindy on May 19, 2015, 03:49:40 AM
Post by: Cindy on May 19, 2015, 03:49:40 AM
I just thought I'd post this. I deal with many large companies and they send people to see me. My contracts with some are in the millions, so they keep me happy.
When I came out and went FT all of the companies contacted me to offer their support etc. It was obvious that they had talked to their staff to be respectful too me.
Just before last Christmas I had a delegation come to see me, a major company. One of the men was early and asked if he could talk about a personal issue. He told me he was going to come out, finally, as a Gay man. He told me that his company's acceptance of me had pushed his decision. At that time he had told no one. He was very frightened.
The team came back today. The man in question hugged me and gave me a kiss, in front of his colleagues (all male) and thanked me. His colleagues didn't bat an eyelid. They shook my hand :laugh:
He stayed after the briefing and told me that he had been accepted by all of his colleagues. He now had a boyfriend, he was happy. He told me that I had changed the company's policies (at least in Asia Oceania) both to customers and to staff.
Seemingly any member of the company that is gender diverse is to just tell their manager, when they wish, so that appropriate policy or facilities can be put in place for their health and welfare. No questions asked.
The company is Becton Dickinson a Fortune 500 company.
I think we are beginning to win, little by little :laugh:
When I came out and went FT all of the companies contacted me to offer their support etc. It was obvious that they had talked to their staff to be respectful too me.
Just before last Christmas I had a delegation come to see me, a major company. One of the men was early and asked if he could talk about a personal issue. He told me he was going to come out, finally, as a Gay man. He told me that his company's acceptance of me had pushed his decision. At that time he had told no one. He was very frightened.
The team came back today. The man in question hugged me and gave me a kiss, in front of his colleagues (all male) and thanked me. His colleagues didn't bat an eyelid. They shook my hand :laugh:
He stayed after the briefing and told me that he had been accepted by all of his colleagues. He now had a boyfriend, he was happy. He told me that I had changed the company's policies (at least in Asia Oceania) both to customers and to staff.
Seemingly any member of the company that is gender diverse is to just tell their manager, when they wish, so that appropriate policy or facilities can be put in place for their health and welfare. No questions asked.
The company is Becton Dickinson a Fortune 500 company.
I think we are beginning to win, little by little :laugh:
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Nicole on May 19, 2015, 05:29:19 AM
Post by: Nicole on May 19, 2015, 05:29:19 AM
I think it does, however I'm not out to many people (family, very very very close friends).
Some of my family have taken part in pride marches, my friends stick up for trans issues.
my best friend Charlotte who works in retail as a store manager has even taken action on a staff member who treated a trans person wrongly.
Some of my family have taken part in pride marches, my friends stick up for trans issues.
my best friend Charlotte who works in retail as a store manager has even taken action on a staff member who treated a trans person wrongly.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: enigmaticrorschach on May 19, 2015, 05:49:07 AM
Post by: enigmaticrorschach on May 19, 2015, 05:49:07 AM
eh.....I'm not out in the open due to my need to stay out of the spot light and avoid attention. however, if someone is curious about my changes and decides to ask, I'll tell them but other than that, its not really something I personally would just throw out there
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Jennygirl on May 19, 2015, 05:58:36 AM
Post by: Jennygirl on May 19, 2015, 05:58:36 AM
Heck yes, Cindy! Thanks for sharing. It does seem like the little wins here and there are starting to add up. Even if I think back to a few years ago, trans issues seem so much more at the forefront. Still a ways to go, but it definitely feels to be getting a lot better. Much more positive representation out there now.
To answer the question, yes I think being openly trans helps others. Speaking from my own experience... When I came out it was a huge mind scramble for a lot of my friends, but quickly they accepted me. A few years later, there are now two other trans people. One who started about 6 months after me and another who recently (last month) came out and is beginning transition. Both were accepted with open arms, no questions asked. It is a wonderful feeling to think that the groundwork you laid might have helped others, especially when it is close to home.
Thanks for allowing me to share as well
To answer the question, yes I think being openly trans helps others. Speaking from my own experience... When I came out it was a huge mind scramble for a lot of my friends, but quickly they accepted me. A few years later, there are now two other trans people. One who started about 6 months after me and another who recently (last month) came out and is beginning transition. Both were accepted with open arms, no questions asked. It is a wonderful feeling to think that the groundwork you laid might have helped others, especially when it is close to home.
Thanks for allowing me to share as well
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Ms Grace on May 19, 2015, 06:13:40 AM
Post by: Ms Grace on May 19, 2015, 06:13:40 AM
I was wondering this myself the other day, more in terms of surely most people out there must be aware of at least one trans person, either a friend or relative or a work colleague. The more people know of someone being trans the more it must surely help. There are caveats of course, because not everyone is friendly or accepting or understanding. In Australia the companies and the big businesses know they have to behave themselves it's the small businesses and various individuals who still feel able to bring down the ignorance.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: katrinaw on May 19, 2015, 06:14:12 AM
Post by: katrinaw on May 19, 2015, 06:14:12 AM
Yes I believe it does... and clearly there was a very positive outcome
Pretty inspiring Cindy.
L Katy
Pretty inspiring Cindy.
L Katy
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: suzifrommd on May 19, 2015, 06:15:26 AM
Post by: suzifrommd on May 19, 2015, 06:15:26 AM
In my more conceited moments, I like to believe that my being (relatively) open as a trans woman helps people. At some of the events where I've spoken, someone has come up to me and come out. But in both cases, I think they would have come out anyway. So I'm not letting myself believe I have a major impact. If I were a more well-known figure, maybe. But that's the curse of mediocrity: My ability to impact the world is limited.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Julia-Madrid on May 19, 2015, 06:28:51 AM
Post by: Julia-Madrid on May 19, 2015, 06:28:51 AM
Hi Cindy
It's excellent to see how you're working with some of these large (and small) companies, and yes, I would agree that being openly transgender is a help and an inspiration to others.
I believe that many of us should try to serve as informal ambassadors to the cause, or related ones where we can perhaps offer some insight to others. Fundamentally, I have wanted to educate the cheerfully ignorant HR departments in a few companies where I have influence, as well as perform some informal one-on-one education on the way. It is only possible to demystify and de-sensationalise the transgender condition if we show just how normal we are, and how easy it is to have us inside companies and contributing fully.
I chose to transition inside my little company of 110,000 employees because I felt safe to do so, but interestingly not because of our LGBT policy, since we're so liberal that we don't have one. Nevertheless, being openly transgender certainly inspires other people to take big steps in their own self realisation. Many people comment to me that my original "I am trans" email was highly inspiring, and also made them pleased to be in a company where such things were possible.
I do think that there are some issues. Some of us pass, and others of us don't, and the question is whether this is an issue or not. I think that both "types" of us inspire people, but perhaps in slightly different ways, although the final goal remains to demonstrate what is possible for all of us.
Just some ideas...
Regards
Julia
It's excellent to see how you're working with some of these large (and small) companies, and yes, I would agree that being openly transgender is a help and an inspiration to others.
I believe that many of us should try to serve as informal ambassadors to the cause, or related ones where we can perhaps offer some insight to others. Fundamentally, I have wanted to educate the cheerfully ignorant HR departments in a few companies where I have influence, as well as perform some informal one-on-one education on the way. It is only possible to demystify and de-sensationalise the transgender condition if we show just how normal we are, and how easy it is to have us inside companies and contributing fully.
I chose to transition inside my little company of 110,000 employees because I felt safe to do so, but interestingly not because of our LGBT policy, since we're so liberal that we don't have one. Nevertheless, being openly transgender certainly inspires other people to take big steps in their own self realisation. Many people comment to me that my original "I am trans" email was highly inspiring, and also made them pleased to be in a company where such things were possible.
I do think that there are some issues. Some of us pass, and others of us don't, and the question is whether this is an issue or not. I think that both "types" of us inspire people, but perhaps in slightly different ways, although the final goal remains to demonstrate what is possible for all of us.
Just some ideas...
Regards
Julia
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Beth Andrea on May 19, 2015, 07:25:26 AM
Post by: Beth Andrea on May 19, 2015, 07:25:26 AM
I know of at least one woman who came out as lesbian because of me ( she told me so).
I don't go around town waving a trans flag (well...unless I'm driving my car LOL), but I am definititely no wilting Lily about myself.
I don't go around town waving a trans flag (well...unless I'm driving my car LOL), but I am definititely no wilting Lily about myself.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: iKate on May 19, 2015, 07:39:36 AM
Post by: iKate on May 19, 2015, 07:39:36 AM
It does. Lynn Conway coming out as an intelligent professional and academic and not the stereotype of a sex worker or show girl has encouraged many.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: martine on May 19, 2015, 08:01:29 AM
Post by: martine on May 19, 2015, 08:01:29 AM
Amazing story that just makes my day ! I like to think of this as some paying forward. People around me are making it easy for me to transition. It is only natural that I work to make it easier for others to live in their true identity.
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Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Eveline on May 19, 2015, 10:01:41 AM
Post by: Eveline on May 19, 2015, 10:01:41 AM
Quote from: Cindy on May 19, 2015, 03:49:40 AM
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Just before last Christmas I had a delegation come to see me, a major company. One of the men was early and asked if he could talk about a personal issue. He told me he was going to come out, finally, as a Gay man. He told me that his company's acceptance of me had pushed his decision. At that time he had told no one. He was very frightened.
The team came back today. The man in question hugged me and gave me a kiss, in front of his colleagues (all male) and thanked me. His colleagues didn't bat an eyelid. They shook my hand :laugh:
He stayed after the briefing and told me that he had been accepted by all of his colleagues. He now had a boyfriend, he was happy. He told me that I had changed the company's policies (at least in Asia Oceania) both to customers and to staff.
...
Cindy, thanks for sharing this story. It strikes me that if one person came forward to talk with you, there may be many others quietly benefiting from your example.
You go girl!
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: rachel89 on May 19, 2015, 10:03:08 AM
Post by: rachel89 on May 19, 2015, 10:03:08 AM
I think it would probably be helpful to other trans* people on a large scale, but I can also understand not being openly trans*, for some, it is a matter of safety, and for others who have already transitioned, they might not want reminders of having lived in wrong gender everyday. I think a lot of the closet thing with with fully transitioned trans* people has more to do with not wanting to re-live a painful life experience everyday than actual shame about being trans*. When the right time comes, I could possibly be be openly trans when it is relevant. ,
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: awilliams1701 on May 19, 2015, 10:03:23 AM
Post by: awilliams1701 on May 19, 2015, 10:03:23 AM
I feel the reason why trans rights are behind gay rights is because many of us can and choose to hide. I don't blame anyone that does. Its a scary thought.
As of right now, I personally have no intention of going stealth when I pass. Its my intention to show everyone what a successful (in terms of my career) trans person can be like. I want to shine a light on our community in the best way possible. I feel that I'm blessed to be in a place where I have very few people hassling me and its generally mild. However there are a lot of people I know that didn't know anything about us and as far as they know, I'm their first contact with a trans person. Most of it has been overwhelmingly positive. Its my hope that I can help spread a positive influence twords our community.
I also think its important to mention not long after I came out, a student that I'm familiar with came out as genderfluid. Although he didn't mention me, I can't help but wonder if I helped him to come out.
As of right now, I personally have no intention of going stealth when I pass. Its my intention to show everyone what a successful (in terms of my career) trans person can be like. I want to shine a light on our community in the best way possible. I feel that I'm blessed to be in a place where I have very few people hassling me and its generally mild. However there are a lot of people I know that didn't know anything about us and as far as they know, I'm their first contact with a trans person. Most of it has been overwhelmingly positive. Its my hope that I can help spread a positive influence twords our community.
I also think its important to mention not long after I came out, a student that I'm familiar with came out as genderfluid. Although he didn't mention me, I can't help but wonder if I helped him to come out.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Kellam on May 19, 2015, 10:18:26 AM
Post by: Kellam on May 19, 2015, 10:18:26 AM
I kind of hope that I always stay noticeably trans in some way and I will always stay open about it. I know from my own experience that it has helped me to see people in the early stages of transition out there and owning it. It gave me hope that if I could just buck up the courage I could be free too. If I had seen positive role models in the media growing up I probably would have come out sooner. A lot of my fear about coming out stemmed from society's image of us. We need to show more and more trans people leading run of the mill boring average lives. Because we are just like everyone else and we come from everywhere.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Erica_Y on May 19, 2015, 10:20:40 AM
Post by: Erica_Y on May 19, 2015, 10:20:40 AM
Thank you Cindy for being an ambassador for the community. I do believe it helps tremendously for people to share in a experience with an openly trans person. It goes along way to establishing our intent and credibility. Education is one of our best tools to change perceptions, remove ignorance and to build out acceptance. Demonstrating self confidence and a positive image goes along way and the benefit is most likely far reaching even if it is not always evident immediately.
-HUGS!!!
-HUGS!!!
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: stephaniec on May 19, 2015, 10:25:57 AM
Post by: stephaniec on May 19, 2015, 10:25:57 AM
yes
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Jayne on May 19, 2015, 10:40:32 AM
Post by: Jayne on May 19, 2015, 10:40:32 AM
Great story Cindy, thanks for sharing it.
Being out and visible as trans definitely helps others, not just trans but LGB people benefit.
Whilst I was in a hostel I had several people confide in me about being LGB, the hostel providers had no LGBT support at the time but as I was out and proud these people felt comfortable approaching me to discuss their sexuality even though their support workers had no idea about them being in the closet.
Today I attended a meeting held by my councils LGBT branch, the main focus of the meeting was about trans issues and the chair of the meeting announced at the start that it was comments I made last year that has kick started this project.
Had I chosen a stealth transition route then this meeting may have not happened, due to Cindy's story and my experience I'll remain out and vocal until my dying breath.
Being out and visible as trans definitely helps others, not just trans but LGB people benefit.
Whilst I was in a hostel I had several people confide in me about being LGB, the hostel providers had no LGBT support at the time but as I was out and proud these people felt comfortable approaching me to discuss their sexuality even though their support workers had no idea about them being in the closet.
Today I attended a meeting held by my councils LGBT branch, the main focus of the meeting was about trans issues and the chair of the meeting announced at the start that it was comments I made last year that has kick started this project.
Had I chosen a stealth transition route then this meeting may have not happened, due to Cindy's story and my experience I'll remain out and vocal until my dying breath.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Athena on May 19, 2015, 11:29:10 AM
Post by: Athena on May 19, 2015, 11:29:10 AM
Ignorance breeds contempt. If more people get to know transgendered people they are more likely to realize that we aren't the big bad monster that many hate filled people like to target. When the only information on transgenders that most people get is negative mostly made up garbage then they are less likely to be open to the trans community nor are they likely to support us in our struggles.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Stevie on May 19, 2015, 12:52:32 PM
Post by: Stevie on May 19, 2015, 12:52:32 PM
I am openly transitioning; when I first started it wasn't for altruistic reasons, I just had to it I was in a very dark place. I am full time now but still haven't started HRT, most times I get gendered as female but I know for sure I am not stealth by any means. I just go about my life now being me and I am a whole lot more comfortable in social situations than when I was before transitioning. This past weekend I even played my guitar before an audience of about 50 people for the first time as me, no one seemed to care about how I looked. I hope my openness helps others I would not want anyone to go through what I did for 50 years.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: Jessica Merriman on May 19, 2015, 01:03:51 PM
Post by: Jessica Merriman on May 19, 2015, 01:03:51 PM
Of course it helps! The Legislatures at my State Capitol now see a person and not what is described in terrible news articles and some preachers sermons. They see someone who is living life just like everyone else and is not a predator, pervert or anything else we are commonly called. No stealth for me as I just made the front page of the 5 state monthly paper!! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: synesthetic on May 19, 2015, 06:06:05 PM
Post by: synesthetic on May 19, 2015, 06:06:05 PM
Even though I think I'll try to go stealth, hearing stories of openly trans people really helps me keep going. People on this site, and trans celebrities (Laura Jane Grace in particular because I'm a musical nerd :P) make me feel like me being trans is okay and maybe the world is making progress.
And thank you Cindy for sharing that story! ^_^
And thank you Cindy for sharing that story! ^_^
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: gennee on May 19, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
Post by: gennee on May 19, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
A wonderful story, Cindy. I believe that being open does help whether or not others will tell us. It can give others the impetus to do what they want or need to do. It can also tell them that 'yes, I can live this life openly and successfully.'
:)
:)
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: iKate on May 19, 2015, 08:46:34 PM
Post by: iKate on May 19, 2015, 08:46:34 PM
Quote from: awilliams1701 on May 19, 2015, 10:03:23 AM
I feel the reason why trans rights are behind gay rights is because many of us can and choose to hide. I don't blame anyone that does. Its a scary thought.
As of right now, I personally have no intention of going stealth when I pass. Its my intention to show everyone what a successful (in terms of my career) trans person can be like. I want to shine a light on our community in the best way possible. I feel that I'm blessed to be in a place where I have very few people hassling me and its generally mild. However there are a lot of people I know that didn't know anything about us and as far as they know, I'm their first contact with a trans person. Most of it has been overwhelmingly positive. Its my hope that I can help spread a positive influence twords our community.
I also think its important to mention not long after I came out, a student that I'm familiar with came out as genderfluid. Although he didn't mention me, I can't help but wonder if I helped him to come out.
I am the opposite. I am going to be as much stealth as is convenient and possible (which admittedly is hard given my situation), but I am not going to try too hard. If people know then cool but I'm not going to shout it from the rooftops. As selfish as this sounds, transition is to make me happy and that is priority #1.
Stealth is also a safety issue for me back in the old country and I still have unfinished business there. The Caribbean is where trans women and gay men are killed and the evidence covered up by the police. Not something I'm looking forward to.
That doesn't mean that I will not help behind the scenes, donating money, pestering legislators, voting and stealth activism, even real activism where possible.
Title: Re: Does being openly trans* help others?
Post by: awilliams1701 on May 20, 2015, 12:23:35 PM
Post by: awilliams1701 on May 20, 2015, 12:23:35 PM
I actually had someone on Facebook contact me and say that even though she is cisgender, she is inspired by me and others like me that have the strength and courage to go out into the open.