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I've got into a mindset where transitioning seems not such a big deal and I feel that trans people are everywhere and increasingly accepted.

Then, I realised that up until a few years ago, many transitioners were still making headlines in the UK tabloid press (against their wishes). Headlines such as "school teacher in sex swap shocker" seemed common. Ok I think I'm making that up, but you get the idea.

Also, the whole Caitlyn Jenner story has been a bit of a media frenzy, as if no high profile person has ever transitioned before. People still seem shocked, or at least intrigued.

So I'm wondering if we're still breaking new ground. Is each transitioner doing something revolutionary?

I am not aware of anyone transitioning in the company I work for (which is thousands of people). And normally, that sort of gossip would spread like wildfire.

I never even met face to face with another trans person (that I know of) until I started trying to seek out people like me. I hardly ever see another trans person where I live (I accept that a small percentage would be undetectably trans).

So, how scarce are we? What percentage of the world population transition? Are we all trailblazers or is trans so normal now that everyone and their grandma is transitioning?

Nothing is going to change my intent to transition, but it would be good to get people's perspective on this.

The standard response is we are about 1 in 600 births. Not all of us will transition and some will pick an alternate life style where we can find enough comfort  to survive. In the United States, the estimated number of us is about 700,000. This web site has an official membership number of almost 20,000 register users. For every registered user, there seems to be 5 or 6 people looking over our shoulder all the time. These numbers are staggering to me because when I transitioned in the early 80's we figure our numbers at about 60,000. I know that's not really answering your question but we are pretty rare in the population and I suspect you might have to know several thousand people to meet another one of us.

I think we're kind of a rare species given the total world population. I wouldn't want to depend on a ride from only a transgender if I was hitch hiking to California from Chicago in the middle of winter.

Quote from: saraht123 on August 16, 2015, 05:31:18 PM
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So I'm wondering if we're still breaking new ground. Is each transitioner doing something revolutionary?

I am not aware of anyone transitioning in the company I work for (which is thousands of people). And normally, that sort of gossip would spread like wildfire.

I never even met face to face with another trans person (that I know of) until I started trying to seek out people like me. I hardly ever see another trans person where I live (I accept that a small percentage would be undetectably trans).

So, how scarce are we? What percentage of the world population transition? Are we all trailblazers or is trans so normal now that everyone and their grandma is transitioning?

Nothing is going to change my intent to transition, but it would be good to get people's perspective on this.

I work for a large university. So I hope any knowledge of my transition doesn't spread like wildfile LOL..but it may to a degree. As far as identifying.. I occasionally see someone who I think could be trans. But it quickly fades since such isn't something that matters a lot to me about who person is (except that if i were sure, I'd want give a word of support)

Where you are probably has a lot to do with it. I'm in Seattle, and aside from myself (not yet on hormones, but endo appointment date set) I know at least four transwomen in various stages of transition. I know through friends of at least two more. I know two trans teenagers (one MTF, one FTM). And then we get to the two who dealing with some amount of dysphoria without actually making a transition. So that's what, ten? Eleven if you count me. And those are just the ones who are out enough to get on my radar!

Some days it almost seems like it's cool to be trans. :)

Thanks, Dena. That's sort of what I was guessing. I was kind of hoping there were more of us and this whole thing was as common as going to the shops to get a pint of milk. Obviously, that was a stupid idea.

As far as I can remember, this whole trans thing started for me around 1984ish when I was 6. I am slightly in awe of anyone who transitioned back then or even earlier. It still seems scary now, even with the internet, increased awareness and everything.

Marlee, I promise I haven't heard anything through the grapevine about your transition until you mentioned it. But since you told me now, I want to say Congrats! :) It is rare for me also to see another of us and most the people I see who I think might be trans probably aren't. Plus , when I said wildfire, I mean I just maybe happen to work at a really , really gossipy company. So when I transition, I know how it's going to be. Yikes.

Stephie, I was trying to work out the figures. My electrologist is the only one in my county (1.5 million people) who is registered to treat trans people. She has 8 trans clients. My local trans meet up had about 30 people in a town with a population of 250,000. I'm a bit sad there aren't more of us.

Pogo, Seattle is quite a big city, no? So we really are like hens teeth.

Ok. To sum up, I'm a bit shocked. I guess I am still getting to grips that not everyone on the planet feels the same way I do. I'm also feeling quite a bit of pride for everyone who has transitioned or is going to, when we're such a small minority of the global population.

Depends on where you are living, some cities are more likely to have a higher percentage due to social tolerance, good treatment modalities, legal structures, etc.

Sydney and Adelaide seem to have a higher ratio than some other parts of Australia.

I worked with a trans woman in her late (?) fifties at my previous job. At that stage she hadn't transitioned and was not out as trans, and here was me - a detransitioned trans woman, not out as trans - and neither of us realised the other was trans. Then she transitioned about two years after leaving that job.

So yeah, you can never know. But there you have two untransitioned trans women at the same workplace.

 One of my sons is in their mid 20's and FTM, I am a 56 year old MTF I started transitioning  openly a few years ago and have been full time about a year now. I don't think it is very common to be trans let alone in the same family.

I work in a school with about 1500 students. There always seems to be two or three trans kids (though most of them don't transition while they're in school). So I can't imagine it is less than 1 in 500. That would mean in the U.S., there would be 600,000, so the 700K figure doesn't seem far off.

I was sitting in a Subway sandwich shop today and there was this woman there that triggered my transdar. I'm not 100% sure , but as she was leaving she gave me a once over, so her transdar might of be triggered too. So we're out there.

Among my friends who aren't from this site I know five women of transgender experience. And that's not to say I go specifically looking for trans people to be friends with because I don't. (I am friends with anyone who treats me with respect.)

Recently a friend of mine who I lost touch with reconnected with me and I found out that two of his 3 kids are trans.

So yes we are out there,

How many transitioners are there?  I think it depends on your definition

For the older crowd, transitioning was something totally verbotten, Hence the birth of "Deep Stealth". For us latter transtioners, stealth is just a pipe dream, it requires being "Public" one way or another. Most no where near as news worthy as Kaitlyn Jenner. We do our best to blend in with little fan fare. After all... the goal is and has always been, to be  a "normal' woman.

In this modern era with gender lines totally blurred.... 

Quote from: pogo on August 16, 2015, 07:08:09 PM
I'm in Seattle, and aside from myself (not yet on hormones, but endo appointment date set) I know at least four transwomen in various stages of transition.

Honey, you live in Seattle.  Go to the Ingersoll Center on a wednesday night, and you'll meet dozens of transgendered people!  If job stuff doesn't work out up in Canada, I'm moving back to Seattle just for the trans community.  Sadly the situation in Seattle is very special, and not representative of the rest of the country.

In my city in Asia our public records record around 100 people that have changed their gender since time started. Its indeed a rare to see them here. We are probably one of the most conservative global financial centers in the world.  Who knows how many are in denial or in the closet in my home city ...So my other home is Thailand, where it is the extreme opposite, and TG are everywhere and a common sight.

Quote from: sparrow on August 16, 2015, 10:21:09 PM
Honey, you live in Seattle.  Go to the Ingersoll Center on a wednesday night, and you'll meet dozens of transgendered people!  If job stuff doesn't work out up in Canada, I'm moving back to Seattle just for the trans community.  Sadly the situation in Seattle is very special, and not representative of the rest of the country.

It is definitely special here! Thanks for the mention of the Ingersoll Center. I hadn't heard of that yet.

Quote from: Stevie on August 16, 2015, 08:10:40 PM
One of my sons is in their mid 20's and FTM, I am a 56 year old MTF I started transitioning  openly a few years ago and have been full time about a year now. I don't think it is very common to be trans let alone in the same family.

Heh, imagine my surprise as I read your post:  My son also has transitioned so there are at least two families out there with two trans people that we know of.   I really was thinking we were the only ones up until just now!

That being said, I do believe we're very very rare in this world but we are here.

Without a definition, and with no one counting, everyone is guessing.  No one really knows. There was an old study out of England that put it at 1 in 2000.  There is a newer study out of London that put it at 1 in 500. 

US figures run 1 in 1000 to 1 in 2000.  However, it's a blind guess.

There are 12000 people working at the Headquarters and R&D center where I work.  There are three trans women.  One say she knows of two others.  I know of a couple at manufacturing sites but that's off campus. 

Defining them as MTF or FTM, 1 in 2000 is reasonable.  Add inersexed and 1 in 500 is probably a little low.  Add in all the others under the transgender umbrella and 1 in 100 seems reasonable.  But it's all guesses.

Jen

There are 14,000 employees where I work. It is a large university hospital in Philadelphia PA. There are 14 trans  employees identified to HR. 2 fully transitioned and  an a third in transition.

HR just hired a person in the diversity part of HR that had experience as a transition team leader ( I see her Friday). We have safe zone training and all of leadership must go through the training. The CEO is the head of diversity and the COO is gay and presenting a part of the safe zone training.

Quote from: Emjay on August 17, 2015, 01:21:45 AM
Heh, imagine my surprise as I read your post:  My son also has transitioned so there are at least two families out there with two trans people that we know of.   I really was thinking we were the only ones up until just now!

I suspect that queerness does "run in families," irrespective of a genetic disposition.  For instance, almost every person I've met who was raised by a homosexual^* couple has been at least open to the idea of homosexuality or bisexuality in themselves, and the idea that heterosexuality is "rebellious" is fairly common.  I'd guess that the child of a transgendered parent will be aware of the possibility of transgenderness as an option, be quicker to accept it in themselves, and feel safer expressing it.

On the flipside, I suspect that a large proportion of transgendered individuals live their lives in denial, possibly unaware of their own gender, because of how they were raised.  'cause that's what I went through, and it took me 34 years to figure it out.

^* Loathe as I am to juxtapose gender and sexuality like this, deviation from "normal" is the common element here.  Kids raised in an accepting household are more prone to expressing unique personality traits.

Quote from: sparrow on August 18, 2015, 05:04:11 PM
I suspect that queerness does "run in families," irrespective of a genetic disposition.  For instance, almost every person I've met who was raised by a homosexual^* couple has been at least open to the idea of homosexuality or bisexuality in themselves, and the idea that heterosexuality is "rebellious" is fairly common.  I'd guess that the child of a transgendered parent will be aware of the possibility of transgenderness as an option, be quicker to accept it in themselves, and feel safer expressing it.

On the flipside, I suspect that a large proportion of transgendered individuals live their lives in denial, possibly unaware of their own gender, because of how they were raised.  'cause that's what I went through, and it took me 34 years to figure it out.

^* Loathe as I am to juxtapose gender and sexuality like this, deviation from "normal" is the common element here.  Kids raised in an accepting household are more prone to expressing unique personality traits.

In my own situation, he had no idea about me until after coming out himself.   I was, or at least thought I was, very careful to keep myself hidden from everyone.   At the very least I wasn't open about it until later.   I had always raised him to be accepting of everyone so there is that. ..

I understand what you're saying though, about kids raised in accepting homes being more prone to expressing personality traits.   But the traits have to be there on their own already in order to be expressed.

I know when he came out I did quite a bit of searching for any kind of hereditary traits like this being passed on and had zero luck finding anything.   That's been a few years ago now, idk if there is any info now or not.   

Quote from: sparrow on August 18, 2015, 05:04:11 PM
I suspect that queerness does "run in families," irrespective of a genetic disposition.  For instance, almost every person I've met who was raised by a homosexual^* couple has been at least open to the idea of homosexuality or bisexuality in themselves, and the idea that heterosexuality is "rebellious" is fairly common.  I'd guess that the child of a transgendered parent will be aware of the possibility of transgenderness as an option, be quicker to accept it in themselves, and feel safer expressing it.

On the flipside, I suspect that a large proportion of transgendered individuals live their lives in denial, possibly unaware of their own gender, because of how they were raised.  'cause that's what I went through, and it took me 34 years to figure it out.

^* Loathe as I am to juxtapose gender and sexuality like this, deviation from "normal" is the common element here.  Kids raised in an accepting household are more prone to expressing unique personality traits.

   My child told me of their feelings years before I told them about mine. I did raise them to be open and accepting of people unless they proved themselves to jerks by their actions.    They did tell me that some of their friends would ask if I was their mother when I would drop them off at school when they were young, so I don't think they were too surprised when I did tell them. They were the first person I told they just wondered why I took so long to do so, told them things were much different when I was young, its even much different now then when he first came out.

to emjay
I am NOT a biologist, but do read discover and any scientific thing I can.  It seems that some drugs and experiences can affect DNA and get passed down from generation to generation according to an article in discover.http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes
I don't know if I copied above reference correctly.   The article describes rats being handled by humans and the rats becoming used to it.  This trait seems to be passed to at least the next generation, even after taking into account the possibility of the parent rat teaching the child.  Absolutely fascinating article.  With all the testing of DES children tending toward transness, you wonder if this will produce a rise in overall numbers.

Quote from: Cindy Stephens on August 19, 2015, 10:27:53 AM
to emjay
I am NOT a biologist, but do read discover and any scientific thing I can.  It seems that some drugs and experiences can affect DNA and get passed down from generation to generation according to an article in discover.http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes
I don't know if I copied above reference correctly.   The article describes rats being handled by humans and the rats becoming used to it.  This trait seems to be passed to at least the next generation, even after taking into account the possibility of the parent rat teaching the child.  Absolutely fascinating article.  With all the testing of DES children tending toward transness, you wonder if this will produce a rise in overall numbers.

Interesting article, I hadn't ever thought to look for any information along other lines of research.  I only searched for studies surrounding trans* people directly. 

I was kind of in "Oh my God what have I done?!?!" mode at the time so I wasn't really thinking about every possible line of inquiry. 

It looks like there is quite a bit of DES testing being done on third generation children now so maybe something will come to light.  Now I'm curious if my mother ever took it.  I have no idea how to broach the subject and I'm not entirely sure that I want to.  If she did and finds out about this, she'll feel horribly guilty and dwell on it forever (trust me I know my mom lol.  She'll absolutely do this!).

In the end, I am me and I've come to grips with who I am.  I finally like me.  My son has gone through his journey and has come out the other end of the tunnel a stronger person than when he went in.  We're both OK and we accept who we are, no matter what series of events brought us here.  :)

Quote from: Emjay on August 19, 2015, 02:39:02 PM
Interesting article, I hadn't ever thought to look for any information along other lines of research.  I only searched for studies surrounding trans* people directly. 

I was kind of in "Oh my God what have I done?!?!" mode at the time so I wasn't really thinking about every possible line of inquiry. 

It looks like there is quite a bit of DES testing being done on third generation children now so maybe something will come to light.  Now I'm curious if my mother ever took it.  I have no idea how to broach the subject and I'm not entirely sure that I want to.  If she did and finds out about this, she'll feel horribly guilty and dwell on it forever (trust me I know my mom lol.  She'll absolutely do this!).

In the end, I am me and I've come to grips with who I am.  I finally like me.  My son has gone through his journey and has come out the other end of the tunnel a stronger person than when he went in.  We're both OK and we accept who we are, no matter what series of events brought us here.  :)

I guess I am a fatalist. TBH I don't care about the why or how I am trans. It is what it is. Now, what are you going to do about it?

Around the time I was hatched mom could have been on DES. If you do some digging into it, many women who were, cannot tell you for sure if they were. Back it those days and still today, there is a lot of blind faith when it comes to doctors. And doctors totally hate non-compliant patients, and barely tolerate anyone thinking they may now a little something, perhaps even asking embrassing questions. (Sorry, I digressed. Yes, I have little respect for most. I actually worked with them) If I could turn back a clock to ask her, what would change?

Then there is genetics. My body is the classic Kliefelter's Syndrome image. My wife confessed a few years back that the first time she saw me naked Klienfelters jumped into her head. She also was well aware of my gender issues. Being tested is not going to change anything.

I don't know how many there are in my region of the world but in Lismore nearish to were I live. Seeing a transitioning person is quite common. My mum and I maybe see 2 or 3 different ones each time we go there.

Yeah it really depends on where you live I think. I live out in Northern Idaho which is a very unfriendly place to trans people and I have been living here over 20 years and have never seen a trans person (that I know of) In fact we are so unheard of over where I live that it almost makes you passable because people's minds cannot process transgender people that even I would pass.

I work over the border in Washington state where they are very trans-friendly, and I encounter trans people here but not in large numbers or anything. I personally know just a handful of us.

But I mean if you think about it you only really see the ones that aren't passable, I mean you got have half the population be trans and be in deep stealth and denial who knows?

Recent statistics say there are 1 for every 10000 for mtf, I think ftm are even rarer.

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Like a lot of the older transitioners, I've been in the game a couple times. I was very focused on transition the first time and had a lot more courage than I do now, but I didn't have the resources. I feel like some of the things I discussed back then might have helped shape where we are now. Fast forward about 20 years and I'm in full go mode. Now I look back on all those years of secretive support groups where we basically had a code system setup to tell us where the next meeting was for fear of being hurt and think the world really is a different place now.

Still I think we are still at the forefront of the movement. About 10% of my friends said they already knew somebody in transition, but not one person in my family knew anybody but me and I come from a very large family. They all know somebody that's gay though. I think the more of us that come out in those families and communities with no knowledge of it, the better it will be, because right now it's always only those other people. I had also considered being open about being trans, but stealth in the workplace, but that makes little sense. My fear of losing my job is what makes me want to be stealth there, but that's the exact reason why I should not be stealth there. That's one spot where it's most critical that we have visibility, so it can change.

I feel like the more vocal celebrity trans people are sort of serving as a rallying cry to the rest of us, or myself at least, that says now is the time to let the world know we exist.

According to a study carried out by Lynn Conway, it's somewhere in the region of 1 in 500, of which around 1 in 5 are postop:

QuoteTo calculate a rough lower bound on prevalence of MtF sex reassignment surgeries in the U.S., we simply divide the number of postop women, which is about 32,000, by the number of U. S. males between 18 - 60 (the age range from which most current post-ops originated), which is about 80,000,000:

32,000/80,000,000 = 1/2500.

Anyway, we discover to our amazement that at least one out of every 2500 persons who were originally male in the U. S. has ALREADY undergone SRS to become female! This 1:2,500 estimate is vastly higher than the 1:30,000 estimate so oft-quoted by the medical community. The DSM-IV number is clearly way off, and by at least a factor of 12! However, on closer examination we will find the error is far worse than even that!

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TSprevalence.html

Quote from: MeghanMe on August 16, 2015, 07:08:09 PM
Where you are probably has a lot to do with it. I'm in Seattle, and aside from myself (not yet on hormones, but endo appointment date set) I know at least four transwomen in various stages of transition.

Interesting to read this post today, and the responses. Regarding above, I would just say it's not that hard to spot someone "out" in Seattle...

C -

Once my childhood friend and I acknowledged we were both in the same situation, we met lots of other girls in our situation as well.  When we went across the border -- holy cow!! So many that they had their own infamous night club which operated 24/7 and it was biiig.  My mom even told me about her friend, Bobbie, who lived across the street in the 50's who was unfortunately, murdered - sadness -.   When I left my part of the world, it was rare to meet another.

As far as I know, and I have been told this by my many friends here, that in my small town I am the only transgender person that they have ever met.
 
I have made a point of fitting in and not standing out with wild clothes and wild actions and speech. 
I own and operate my own small business so it is necessary to give the appearance and the first impression that I am a responsible woman (that dresses conservatively and respectfully)....  I am more than certain that none of my financial and tax clients would want it any other way in this very small conservative town.

Danielle

Interesting that this topic was resurrected now.  As I have mentioned a few times recently I started a new job a couple weeks ago.  I live near Mpls.  The company has appx 300 people.  I have met about 60 to 70 of them.  This is an office setting not nightlife or entertainment or any other 'cool' industry.  I want to maintain a smidgen of privacy since I have already talked about my part time poker gig. 

Anyway - Your typical office. 

Besides me there is a transman I met - I thought I clocked him when we met but I was not positive.  It has since been confirmed by...... a NB assigned female at birth coworker.  COOL.

I thought I would be an oddity - turns out I am at least number 3 and who knows maybe there are more !!!

Also I belong to a trans group that meets twice a month.
One of the members PM'd me here after seeing me there. LOL  Most meetings there are 20+ attendees, I would say that there are about 40 total on and off members.

Quote from: KimOct on March 27, 2019, 08:47:55 PM
Interesting that this topic was resurrected now.  As I have mentioned a few times recently I started a new job a couple weeks ago.  I live near Mpls.  The company has appx 300 people.  I have met about 60 to 70 of them.  This is an office setting not nightlife or entertainment or any other 'cool' industry. 

Anyway - Your typical office. 

Besides me there is a transman I met - I thought I clocked him when we met but I was not positive.  It has since been confirmed by...... a NB assigned female at birth coworker.  COOL.

I thought I would be an oddity - turns out I am at least number 3 and who knows maybe there are more !!!

Also I belong to a trans group that meets twice a month.
One of the members PM'd me here after seeing me there. LOL  Most meetings there are 20+ attendees, I would say that there are about 40 total on and off members.

@KimOct that's great to hear you've started a new job, congrats and good luck. Our business has HQ in the Twin Cities, every once and while I make it back there for work. A close co worker of mine has a daughter that transitioned from there. I had a nice visit with a sister there at Mall of America about 5 years ago. Always enjoyed going to MSP over the years, nice folks, nice area...

Hugs

Cynthia -

If by 'transitioners' you mean people who have transitioned or are transitioning from living full time as one gender to living full time as the opposite (binary) gender, the numbers appear to be very small.  Of the 1.4 million who identify as transgender (as estimated by the Williams Institute), an analysis of records from the 2010 U.S. census and the U.S. Social Security Administration suggests that less than 10% of transgender people will go on to socially transition their gender.  I refer you to this U.S. Census Bureau Study by Benjamin Cerf Harris:

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/working-papers/2015/adrm/carra-wp-2015-03.pdf (https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/working-papers/2015/adrm/carra-wp-2015-03.pdf)

The study concludes that in 2010, the number of living individuals who transitioned genders as evidenced by a name and/or sex code change was 89,667.  That's 1 in 3400 people.

Of course, there are trans people who have for various reasons not sought an official name change or gender marker (sex code) change, and many transgender people have come out since 2010 and have or are in the process of transitioning.  But even if the number doubled, that would still put the ratio at less than 0.1% of the population.

I believe the Williams Institute study is somewhat accurate but I also believe that number will rise as the teens and 20 somethings mature and those of us middle age and older die out.  Younger people are much more likely to self identify.

Regardless if the number is 1.4% 2% or 3% we are still a small percent of the population.  Most estimates place the gay population at 4%.

In 2010 if 89,000 people changed their gender marker at that rate per year it would be about 800,000 over the last 9 years.  Also I would suggest that the rates of transition have increased year over year since 2010. 

If the 89,000 number represents all the people that EVER changed gender I would suggest it is reasonable to assume that number has double or tripled over the last 9 years due to heightened awareness and significantly more people coming out.  Also many people that self identify may not have the desire, knowledge or resources to medically or legally transition.

I want to emphasize that I am not suggesting that we are commonplace.  We are a small minority but we are no longer as rare as a unicorn.

Quote from: KimOct on March 28, 2019, 07:28:59 PM

In 2010 if 89,000 people changed their gender marker at that rate per year it would be about 800,000 over the last 9 years.  Also I would suggest that the rates of transition have increased year over year since 2010. 

If the 89,000 number represents all the people that EVER changed gender I would suggest it is reasonable to assume that number has double or tripled over the last 9 years due to heightened awareness and significantly more people coming out.  Also many people that self identify may not have the desire, knowledge or resources to medically or legally transition.

It's the number who have EVER changed their gender (legal name and/or sex code) in the U.S., and alive in 2010.  When the deceased are included, the number from the study is ~135,000.  To assume the number has doubled or tripled over the past 9 years is speculation, reasonable or not.  Unfortunately, the 2020 U.S. census will not include a count of transgender individuals, so a more accurate count of the people who have transitioned to the point of changing their legal name and sex marker will most likely remain unknown for at least another decade. 

In my kids circles, I would say it's quite commonplace.  Two of my oldest daughter's childhood friends have/ are transitioning, maybe another one based on social media markers.  One of my husband's college friends children is transitioning.  Two kids, probably more, from a former church.  Also, several queer, or NB kids in various circles.  Now that my youngest daughter, I'm still mulling over the odds that I know so many youth/ young people given the odds.

Another guy I just met at work told me today that one of his best friends is having GCS surgery with Bowers this fall.

What is the actual number of transitioned people?  Know one knows.  At this point it is speculation.  Add in NB people and non  transitioning the number gets fuzzier.  But I keeping meeting many different people that tell me about someone in their life that is trans.

At my part time gig at the poker room (very male dominanted )  I have had 5 coworkers tell me that someone in their life is trans.  A brother, a son, a brother in law, a father, I forgot the other one.

I cannot believe the number is one in 3,400.  I understand that the discussion was about how common it is to transition but that is a narrow scope.  I would be included because my name, birth cert, drivers license, SSA etc etc are all changed but there are so many different ways that people are taking this journey now I really think the only way is self identification.

So back to the Williams study.  If that were dead on the mark it would be over 4,000,000 people just in the US that identify as trans.  Good enough for me.