Community Conversation => Non-binary talk => Topic started by: Caduti Morte on September 07, 2015, 11:13:15 AM Return to Full Version
Title: Butch vs Trans masculine , and other issuee
Post by: Caduti Morte on September 07, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
Post by: Caduti Morte on September 07, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
Well, I haven't been on in a while so hello everyone.
I'm sure this question has been asked before but, what is the difference between a butch woman and a trans masculine person?
I'm pretty sure I'm a non-binary trans person. I'm 85-95% certain that I want to transition, with the other 15-5% being me worrying about what if I'm wrong.
Then I came across the questions of what is the difference between trans and butch.
For me I've always applied butch to lesbians, and I have never been attracted to females so thus I never applied the term to myself. In fact I get offended when someone does call me butch.
I call myself non binary trans man because I don't feel 100% like a dude, but I do have a near panic attack at the thought of never having facial hair or chest hair or a male face. At the same time I remember in high school when I thought I had a deep voice and freaked out because ibwas suppose to be a girl and had a deep voice. That kind of makes me afraid of how I would react to my voice seeping on T. Been trying to talk in a lower voice to find out but it just sounds like a fake guy voice or to girly.
But yeah, I'll stop rambling now.
I'm sure this question has been asked before but, what is the difference between a butch woman and a trans masculine person?
I'm pretty sure I'm a non-binary trans person. I'm 85-95% certain that I want to transition, with the other 15-5% being me worrying about what if I'm wrong.
Then I came across the questions of what is the difference between trans and butch.
For me I've always applied butch to lesbians, and I have never been attracted to females so thus I never applied the term to myself. In fact I get offended when someone does call me butch.
I call myself non binary trans man because I don't feel 100% like a dude, but I do have a near panic attack at the thought of never having facial hair or chest hair or a male face. At the same time I remember in high school when I thought I had a deep voice and freaked out because ibwas suppose to be a girl and had a deep voice. That kind of makes me afraid of how I would react to my voice seeping on T. Been trying to talk in a lower voice to find out but it just sounds like a fake guy voice or to girly.
But yeah, I'll stop rambling now.
Title: Re: Butch vs Trans masculine , and other issuee
Post by: suzifrommd on September 07, 2015, 03:24:59 PM
Post by: suzifrommd on September 07, 2015, 03:24:59 PM
Butch: You have no interest in being a man, but want to be a particular kind of woman.
Transmasculine: You have interest in being a man.
I.e. Butch deals with the kind of woman you want to be, while transmasculine deals with what gender you want to be.
Transmasculine: You have interest in being a man.
I.e. Butch deals with the kind of woman you want to be, while transmasculine deals with what gender you want to be.
Title: Re: Butch vs Trans masculine , and other issuee
Post by: kellb on September 08, 2015, 05:35:03 AM
Post by: kellb on September 08, 2015, 05:35:03 AM
Hi Caduti,
If you haven't already seen it, check out the genderbread person: http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2015/03/the-genderbread-person-v3/ (http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2015/03/the-genderbread-person-v3/)
You can dress masculine, prefer girls, and feel physically and mentally female (eg. most butch lesbians). You could dress fem, prefer guys and feel physically part-male-part-female and mentally something else again in whatever ratio suits you (flavour to taste). The possibilities are endless!
I totally understand the "what if I'm wrong??" problem is transitioning viz non-binary. I don't know how you can ever be sure you'll never have regrets. In my case, I really -need- to have a vagina to correct my body, but sometimes I curl up on the floor as my gay male part recoils at the idea of losing the ability to "stick it into things" (heh, boys, right?). I am pretty much certain I will regret my decision at some points - it's inevitable - but my overall level of happiness will increase.
Ultimately, I imagine all we can do is be truly, deeply honest with ourselves and hope it all works out.
If you haven't already seen it, check out the genderbread person: http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2015/03/the-genderbread-person-v3/ (http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2015/03/the-genderbread-person-v3/)
You can dress masculine, prefer girls, and feel physically and mentally female (eg. most butch lesbians). You could dress fem, prefer guys and feel physically part-male-part-female and mentally something else again in whatever ratio suits you (flavour to taste). The possibilities are endless!
I totally understand the "what if I'm wrong??" problem is transitioning viz non-binary. I don't know how you can ever be sure you'll never have regrets. In my case, I really -need- to have a vagina to correct my body, but sometimes I curl up on the floor as my gay male part recoils at the idea of losing the ability to "stick it into things" (heh, boys, right?). I am pretty much certain I will regret my decision at some points - it's inevitable - but my overall level of happiness will increase.
Ultimately, I imagine all we can do is be truly, deeply honest with ourselves and hope it all works out.