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Sorry, its pretty frank...Ive searched the web for answers and come up empty


So I want to talk a moment about my, ummm.... private parts, yeah... thats it.

I have what I would refer to as both, sort of...

If and when I get an erection, I have 6 inches and fairly large girth, I also have fairly large testicles (which I despise)
but erections are rare lately, normally my penis is shrunken, mostly hidden and I have a "cavity".... Im leary to call it anything else yet. I can insert a fairly large "interphalactic device" maybe 4 inches worth of depth. With fingers I can also feel "squeezing" within this cavity. My testicles also "draw up" inside me and I could nearly pass as female genitals. Its been a couple months since I have masturbated as a "male".... Im trying to train myself to not have erections and I think its working.

I should also mention that I have been drinking soy milk for a little more than a month, my penis is smaller and less obtrusive since starting it. And orgasmic playtime is way different, what used to take me a couple minutes now has turned into 25-30 minutes and I am able to have more than one orgasm during this time

Now, I must say that I am overweight, but I have lost 40-50 pounds recently and it has not lessened the "vag" in any way. I dont think its just cuz Im fat, and a few years ago I lost a 100 and it was still the same then.

I may also have had some form of intersex surgery as a child, but I have not gotten records to confirm or deny this.

I know shortly after birth I had some sort of "problem" with my penis/circumcision... which require a few doctor visits to fix it. Of course this was in 1968 and my parents know nothing. When I was 12 I had to go to cleveland clinic for a major operation, they claim it was a renal bypass... did I have "girl parts" removed?  Again, parents act oblivious to anything being wrong, but they also seem weird when discussing it.

Looking at pics of me as a child, I look very girly. And I have always had a "hidden penis" which made locker rooms a bad situation

well if you made it this far, thanks for your time... Im just trying to see if anyone else is like me out there.

Have you looked into whether you are intersex or if you have XXY chromosomes?

No, I havent.... but I have been thinking about it. Im very anti doctor/medical... so that opens a whole new can of worms for me

I wish i could just send a sample off to some secret lab and get the results and not have them say "BTW, we found you have this problem as well.... "

Unfortunately the world is rarely so easy. Also, in order to test for something they usually need to be looking specifically for it, in some jurisdictions it can be illegal to test for certain things when they have not been requested by the patient.

I can understand your reluctance to go anywhere near the medical profession as I'm on the intersex spectrum myself.  I was messed about with by surgeons to 'fix' me when I was 12 which is something I still feel annoyed about now at age 61.  My daughter is intersex too and my ex and I refused to let any doctors mess about with her when she was a child which my daughter is very pleased about now as an adult.

Welcome to the forum by the way, you are certainly in the right place and you'll find that we are all a friendly bunch who try their best to offer support and encouragement where needed.

Thats coincidental that you also were 12....

when doctors have seen my scar and heard I had a renal bypass at 12, they all have had this puzzled look on their faces

I have a huge scar across my abdomen that follows my rib cage, 72 staples worth

Thanks for the replies.... :-*

Is there some reason why you can't order a copy of your medical records?

No, other than stalling on my part, deciding what I really want to know :-\

you're not trying to get any form of legal proof here. i would think you could mail in a swab. i just have never thought about looking into that.

Do you have normal testicles? Also, you mention having a hidden penis and being overweight. If you search on YouTube for a UK show called "Embarrassing Bodies", they show the process of an apronectomy, this is an operation performed to reduce the volume and "hang" of the prepubic fat pad, as this is the tissure that hangs over the penis, giving it the appearance of being hidden.

Ok male pelvic anatomy 101. For all male assigned at birth persons the testes start inside the body up near the kidneys – as you grow in the womb they descend guided by a cord called the Gubernaculum which pulls them down into the scrotal sac through a tube called the inguinal canal.

In most people the inguinal canal then obliterates leaving only a small opening through which the spermatic cord, testicular artery and vein pass. In some people however one two things happens, either one or both testicles fail to descend (cryptorchidism) or the canal does not fully obliterate – which leaves a much increased risk of inguinal hernia or hydrocele development.

Neither of these things is an intersex condition as such although both do commonly require surgical correction. However they can also occur as secondary complications to Androgen insensitivity either partial or complete.

In most cases Androgen insensitivity would usually also cause a hypospadias

The only reliable way to tell whether this was the reason for the problem is to have a genetic test which is quite impressively expensive... I know this because I paid for one to be done on me!!! In my case by the time the technology was available to answer the question I was already nearly two decades post SRS.

So bottom line if you have had some surgery in the past it is still quite possible, actually even likely, that you are in fact not intersex as the majority of people who have those symptoms aren't. The gene test however would prove it one way or the other, although the medic in me would ask whether it would make a difference to know the answer? If not then its probably better to save the thousand or more dollars that it costs towards something more useful.

Quote from: Rejennyrated on September 09, 2015, 09:02:11 AM
Ok male pelvic anatomy 101. For all male assigned at birth persons the testes start inside the body up near the kidneys.....

That was a great post.

Quote from: Rejennyrated on September 09, 2015, 09:02:11 AM
Ok male pelvic anatomy 101. For all male assigned at birth persons the testes start inside the body up near the kidneys – as you grow in the womb they descend guided by a cord called the Gubernaculum which pulls them down into the scrotal sac through a tube called the inguinal canal.

In most people the inguinal canal then obliterates leaving only a small opening through which the spermatic cord, testicular artery and vein pass. In some people however one two things happens, either one or both testicles fail to descend (cryptorchidism) or the canal does not fully obliterate – which leaves a much increased risk of inguinal hernia or hydrocele development.

Neither of these things is an intersex condition as such although both do commonly require surgical correction. However they can also occur as secondary complications to Androgen insensitivity either partial or complete.

In most cases Androgen insensitivity would usually also cause a hypospadias

The only reliable way to tell whether this was the reason for the problem is to have a genetic test which is quite impressively expensive... I know this because I paid for one to be done on me!!! In my case by the time the technology was available to answer the question I was already nearly two decades post SRS.

So bottom line if you have had some surgery in the past it is still quite possible, actually even likely, that you are in fact not intersex as the majority of people who have those symptoms aren't. The gene test however would prove it one way or the other, although the medic in me would ask whether it would make a difference to know the answer? If not then its probably better to save the thousand or more dollars that it costs towards something more useful.

which gene tests proves one way or another

A karyotype test would be a start.

yeah karyotype test was about 300 bucks in Australia, that's something a regular gp should be able to organise. Not to expensive.

Yeap. Nothing much to it. The thing is though, with normal anatomy, there's no reason to suspect an intersex condition soooooooo, why bother?

Quote from: Serenation on September 09, 2015, 09:42:54 AM
which gene tests proves one way or another

The gene itself is part of a group labelled NR3C4 which controls expression of nucelar receptors in the cell. Normally Locus:Xq11-Xq12 will show point deletions, substitutions or sequence replications... These are all well known and there is a chip test available for this specific defect. (AIS)

Quote from: Serenation on September 09, 2015, 09:51:45 AM
yeah karyotype test was about 300 bucks in Australia, that's something a regular gp should be able to organise. Not to expensive.

Unfortunately a Karyotype is a rather more primitive way of examining chromosomes using visual inspection of the visible banding on whole chomosomes visible in cells with arrested metaphase and will NOT repeat NOT give the level of information that a proper genetic sequencing or modern PCR test can yield.

In the case of AIS it sadly doesent give a definite answer unfortunately.

By the way PCR - stands for Polymerase Chain reaction and is DNA amplification technicque often used with ELISA and or electrophoresis chromatography in modern genetic sequencing. No disrespect to karyotyping but its a bit like comparing a 2015 formula one car with a 1950's runabout...

Quote from: Rejennyrated on September 09, 2015, 10:22:07 AM
The gene itself is part of a group labelled NR3C4 which controls expression of nucelar receptors in the cell. Normally Locus:Xq11-Xq12 will show point deletions, substitutions or sequence replications... These are all well known and there is a chip test available for this specific defect. (AIS)

Unfortunately a Karyotype is a rather more primitive way of examining chromosomes using visual inspection of the visible banding on whole chomosomes visible in cells with arrested metaphase and will NOT repeat NOT give the level of information that a proper genetic sequencing or modern PCR test can yield.

In the case of AIS it sadly doesent give a definite answer unfortunately.

By the way PCR - stands for Polymerase Chain reaction and is DNA amplification technicque often used with ELISA and or electrophoresis chromatography in modern genetic sequencing. No disrespect to karyotyping but its a bit like comparing a 2015 formula one car with a 1950's runabout...

interesting, I guess these are not available in some countries. 10 years of pressure on endocronoligist and genetics specialists got me a  karyotyping and a mri scan. They said that's as deep as it goes in Australia. (I'm going to add for intersex and transsexuals) I just googled and they can do it, just they pick and choose who.

Quote from: Serenation on September 09, 2015, 09:43:34 PM
interesting, I guess these are not available in some countries. 10 years of pressure on endocronoligist and genetics specialists got me a  karyotyping and a mri scan. They said that's as deep as it goes in Australia. (I'm going to add for intersex and transsexuals) I just googled and they can do it, just they pick and choose who.

Yep - hence my original comment about it being "impressively expensive." As a result I can say for sure that I have the genetic features of AIS even though I was only mildly symptomatic, but in reality I only really did it for my own curiousity as by that time it was purely academic to my life choices.

Thanks for the replies

ANOTHER GRAPHIC POST.... sorry, just dont know how to elaborate without being frank
if its a problem please delete... I understand :angel:

I dont believe I have any of the things mentioned though

things have actually changed a bit more in the last few days

Penis- smaller, staying soft and out of the way for the most part
I have some sort of a vagina, its right below the penis, its centered
not off to the side... its amazing to... well, you know... sorry :embarrassed:

sorry, but I have felt alot of these things and this one would pass on feel alone
I cant explain it, its shallow... 2-2/12 inches, but it has the ability to squeeze
and lubricate.... (fer sure ::))

Yesterday something happened that I thought was impossible... I was fingering myself
and SQUIRTED! :-X, not once, many times and quite a bit.. it was exactly like GIS Girl squirt
same color, consistency, it was not urine or sperm....it was different than I had ever seen from myself

Heres what I believe to be true, I was born with some amount of both genitalia
intersexed? Whats a label.... it is what it is

I had some sort of operation to "correct" me... and my body has been fighting this for years
but didnt have the estrogen to do the work
Now that I have started soy milk and flax.... I think the estrogen from these is quickly being utilized
by my body, like it was thirsty all these years

I notice small changes nearly every day now

My hips are larger (I am working out as well, so some is that)
My shape is changing from the apple shape male to more hourglass (slowly, but I see it)
Breasts have increased a noticable amount and are lower than they used to be
Face looks different, I like seeing myself now, way fewer glimpse of "that guy"
Sex, well obviously... Im mostly asexual, but you can see thats changed
skin is clearer, softer
body hair seems lighter and lesser, I was a very hairy person
alot of mental changes, more laid back, happier than Ive been in many years

some things that really havent changed yet
face hair >:(  Ive learned how to get a super close shave tho
male pattern baldness >:( >:( experimenting with xtra body products, hair bands and bows/flowers to combat this

Im not saying everyone can get results with wishing and ingested OTC or food products, Im saying that this is what I am doing and I see the results, maybe Im not transgender or MTF.... I dont know
Im just saying what I see and feel

Mmmm. Well, I think you should really be talking to a therapist. And go for a general check up with a GP. What you're describing could be a peno-scrotal hypospadias... Another thing to keep in mind is, Soy doesn't have any estrogen in it. It has isoflavones. These can mimic some estrogenic effects. The reality is they're so weak, they actually just block receptors from receiving real estrogen that an asigned male at birth body would be producing.

Go see a Dr.

Quote from: Rejennyrated on September 09, 2015, 09:02:11 AM


In most cases Androgen insensitivity would usually also cause a hypospadias

Rejennyrated :  In Ref. to your comment: I have "hypospadias" but it never required any surgical intervention.  I don't know much about the mechanics of this condition, but your comment about "Androgen insensitivity" intrigues me.  If this can result in the condition (hypospadias), would the same androgen insensitivity be responsible for the lack of prominent "male" characteristics that I have inherited.  What I'm talking about is minimal body hair distribution, lack of a visible adams  apple, very minor brow ridging.

Joi - in a word YES

If you have those characteristics - which I also did - you have the markings that suggest you could quite possibly be PAIS grade 2 or 3...

Until you get tested its impossible to say for sure - but its quite a decent probability yes.

Rejennyrated :  Thanks for your response.  This is all quite interesting.  At this point it's not an issue that would lead me to having tests performed.  It does however, confirm my suspicions about being "somewhat" intersexed.  Androgens are no longer a factor in my life as they were before I initiated cross sex hormone therapy.  All of this really speaks to my understanding of self that for most of my life was confused by the dysphoria that started when I was 7 or 8.  It's unfortunate that I had to wait until I was 67 to find out, but "it is what it is"  We are all so unique and complex that it's baffling.  Bottom line though is that I am finally happy and my transition is in high gear with more profound revelations to come.
Hugz,
Joi