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I don't really know which surgeon I'd want for SRS but I know exactly how I want it to look; so, I was wondering if there was any sort of directory listing top SRS surgeons along with after photos of various results maybe? You know, to make it easier to choose.

If anyone has experience from having researched these surgeons... what I'd be wanting aesthetically would be an "innie," but even moreso than most. Sort of like a little pair of butt cheeks (which would be the labia majora). I wouldn't want the labia minora (pink stuff in the middle) or clitoris/hood visible while standing, or bent over, or laying down, or even while having sex... effectively, I'd only really want to see them if I physically spread it with my fingers. Oh and I'm circumcised if that matters.

In terms of functionality... I'd like the vulva to be sensitive and able to achieve climax, but I'd like the vagina itself also sensitive enough to achieve climax. I'd like it to self lubricate but I'll be realistic and say that's not going to happen, especially since I don't want the colon method since the lubrication is red-ish and supposedly smells bad.

Is there even a good list of the top SRS surgeons? Bowers, McGinn, Brassard, Chett, and Suporn... are those basically the top ones, or are there others?

That's how mine is with the exception of the self lubing, I do lubricate some. Guess I'll see later on on down the track if it's enough. I wanted an innie, when I asked my surgeon he said he does what he does. Just like all cis girls have different vaginas, you cannot look at a surgeons pics and rely on getting the same result.

So it's going to depend mostly on your body. Still if prominent labia minora is important to someone, then it makes sense for them to go to thailand.

So I got an Innie,
<--handy since I'm a doll

someone else who got srs on same day didn't.

I have selected just out of personal preference the PAI clinic's Dr Sutin who will work with Dr Preecha on the FFS but I have seen also Dr Chettawut and Dr Suporn and had a skype call with Dr McGinn. The Thais perform more SRS than any other country. This surgery is not innovative anymore, all the top surgeons have produced excellent results in general but unfortunately they all have made mistakes or not lived up to some patients expectations. So if you are looking for negatives they all have them. The techniques are now all basically the same so in my view practice makes perfect and the Thais get the practice. Plus the after care is excellent.

I've read a pretty bad post about Chettawut; it was mostly talking about FFS, but there was a whole bunch of bad about that. I read something about Suporn leaving a bunch of the erectile tissue which a lot of people complained about feeling uncomfortable when getting aroused. I don't think I'd really want to go to Thailand either way though.

I've been mostly looking between McGinn & Bowers. The biggest difference between them seems to be that Bowers does a one stage surgery while McGinn does whatever she thinks the situation calls for (one or two stage). There's a page on her website that details that. The other big thing is that Bowers was a GYN while McGinn did other cosmetic plastic surgery. They're both trans themselves, so the biggest thing left is location. Bowers is in CA and McGinn is in PA.

A lot of people say that McGinn is the friendlier and more easier to talk to of the two and I don't have a hard time believing that at all. Bowers is an MD and McGinn is a DO. If you aren't familiar with the distinction, MD is more focused towards the straight up science and medical aspects whereas DO has a lot of training involving their interaction with their clients and bedside manner. Personally, I always prefer DO and I tend to choose DO over MD whenever possible since my experience with DO's have always been a lot better for me than MD's. It's just the way they talk to you and interact, and that goes back to their training I think.

I'm leaning towards McGinn but if I moved to Washington that'd put Bowers a heck of a lot closer. I guess it probably wouldn't matter too much considering you'd have to cross all of Oregon which would make not taking a plane a bit inconvenient. From the pictures McGinn's results look a bit better to me but I'd be requesting something totally different anyways... *shrug*

I have a while to decide I guess.

I spent a lot of time researching this and came to the conclusion that there's not enough information out there to be sure of anything. Some surgeons do have noticeably more complaints if you search hard enough.

It helpful to find photos of results from surgeons, but even that's misleading. The ones on Suporn's site look pretty good, but I've seen much better elsewhere. You'd think he'd post his best results, but far from it. How are you supposed to interpret that?

You can find very informed people who'll contradict each other, and each side seems to know what they are talking about. Its quite confusing.

After all my research I find I agree with warlockmaker, except I prefer Suporn, but I'd be hard pressed to justify my choice.

You have probably answered your own question having ruled out going to Thailand  :)

Once I'd decided not to wait any longer for The NHS in the UK to get around to doing my surgery I was left with a similar choice of the top 6 surgeons (your 5 plus Preecha) My conclusion was on their day any of them would provide a successful result to my requirements. My first observation was 3 of them happen to be in a country that as Worlockmaker and AnnonyMs point out performs more SRS than any other and these 3 are mostly responsible for that so all I had to decide was which one and there were reasons why I chose Chett.

I think you should speak to both surgeons in The US and decide based on how you connect with them and then which one you feel gives their best surgery most often. I hope you find an answer and have a successful surgery when it happens

Hugs

Sorcha  ;D

Well, just like Warlockmaker said, they all have bad and good records, these surgeon you mentioned have thousands cases experience, they all good at what they are doing. You can't judge your future result by one or two picture of their past cases, those more like the prove of the surgeon's skill. Just make sure surgeon understand what you want and your expectation. Usually these top surgeons will be really straight forward to their patient. They will tell you what they can make for you, what can not and what you can expect.

And the result of surgery is not only base on surgeons performance, there are other factors that effect like post-surgery care, preparation, patient health, technique right for you, happiness etc. Good Luck ;)

Quote from: Venus on September 17, 2015, 08:44:04 PM
I'd like it to self lubricate but I'll be realistic and say that's not going to happen, especially since I don't want the colon method since the lubrication is red-ish and supposedly smells bad.

I do self lubricate. I'm always deliciously moist, as much as many of the cis women I've dated. My understanding is that if you have the right mix of bacteria, they turn the dead skin into an acidic slimy mixture that both lubricates and protects from pathogens.

Quote from: Venus on September 17, 2015, 08:44:04 PM
Is there even a good list of the top SRS surgeons? Bowers, McGinn, Brassard, Chett, and Suporn... are those basically the top ones, or are there others?

I went to see Kathy Rumer. I don't know how she compares, because I haven't been to any of the other ones. I've heard horror stories about some of the names you list (and about Rumer as well), but I have met a number of women who are happy with Rumer.

Quote from: Venus on September 17, 2015, 08:44:04 PM
I don't really know which surgeon I'd want for SRS but I know exactly how I want it to look; so, I was wondering if there was any sort of directory listing top SRS surgeons along with after photos of various results maybe? You know, to make it easier to choose.

If anyone has experience from having researched these surgeons... what I'd be wanting aesthetically would be an "innie," but even moreso than most. Sort of like a little pair of butt cheeks (which would be the labia majora). I wouldn't want the labia minora (pink stuff in the middle) or clitoris/hood visible while standing, or bent over, or laying down, or even while having sex... effectively, I'd only really want to see them if I physically spread it with my fingers. Oh and I'm circumcised if that matters.

How long do you expect to spend each day looking at your pussy? You do realise that you cannot see anything down there without a mirror? Unlike male genitalia you will never directly see clearly what is down there.

Quote from: Venus on September 17, 2015, 08:44:04 PMIn terms of functionality... I'd like the vulva to be sensitive and able to achieve climax, but I'd like the vagina itself also sensitive enough to achieve climax.

I do not think you will find many surgeons offering non-sensate vaginas so I would not worry too much on that score. As for climax, that is largely in your head.

Personally I would pick whichever gives the best aftercare and it easiest to get to. Post-op complications can arise and if they do you will be glad if your surgeon is nearer rather than far away.

You could have  look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,193067.msg1721458.html#msg1721458
and here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,193632.msg1726310.html#msg1726310

Quote from: AnonyMs on September 17, 2015, 11:33:24 PM
It helpful to find photos of results from surgeons, but even that's misleading. The ones on Suporn's site look pretty good, but I've seen much better elsewhere. You'd think he'd post his best results, but far from it. How are you supposed to interpret that?

Well if customer expectations are fulfilled they are kind of happy.
But if they are overfulfilled people usually are very happy.
So showing the best results might not be the best idea.

Chett also has not only perfect results.
It might fend off too high expectations, and imo is also a part of mentality... kind of rather an understatement than too much of a show.

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In terms of functionality... I'd like the vulva to be sensitive and able to achieve climax, but I'd like the vagina itself also sensitive enough to achieve climax.

Usually surgeons leave the prostate in place. So it will be where the gspot is, making for a p/gspot, which many girls find very pleasurable.

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Unlike male genitalia you will never directly see clearly what is down there.

Well that depends on how flexible you are...

Well, I went to Brassard and that's more or less what I ended up with - he's known for making discreet inner labia, and you can probably tell him what you have in mind and he'll make them even smaller if need be. (Mine are only visible if I spread wide with my fingers.) I do self-lubricate, although I don't have sex with men so I don't know if it'd be enough for that by itself. Still, it's definitely enough to be noticeable and within cis normal (my wife, like me, does not lubricate much when aroused but does get considerably wetter when penetrated) and I "squirt" at orgasm occasionally. I am not sure even cis women get the true vaginal orgasm, as the current theory is that penetration still affects the clitoris from inside and by pulling on the covering skin, but I am occasionally capable of orgasm from vaginal penetration without touching my clit directly.

I can dig up my thorough review of him if you want it.

From what I've seen in various photos, including from people who aren't posted on the surgeons' web sites, the Thai surgeons tend towards very large/prominent labia minora. So that's something to keep in mind.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on September 18, 2015, 07:43:12 AM
Well, I went to Brassard and that's more or less what I ended up with - he's known for making discreet inner labia, and you can probably tell him what you have in mind and he'll make them even smaller if need be. (Mine are only visible if I spread wide with my fingers.) I do self-lubricate, although I don't have sex with men so I don't know if it'd be enough for that by itself. Still, it's definitely enough to be noticeable and within cis normal (my wife, like me, does not lubricate much when aroused but does get considerably wetter when penetrated) and I "squirt" at orgasm occasionally. I am not sure even cis women get the true vaginal orgasm, as the current theory is that penetration still affects the clitoris from inside and by pulling on the covering skin, but I am occasionally capable of orgasm from vaginal penetration without touching my clit directly.

Here is some more info on the gspot... its a spot or an area...
friskybusinessboutique.com/her-other-sweet-spot-pleasure-in-the-key-of-g/

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From what I've seen in various photos, including from people who aren't posted on the surgeons' web sites, the Thai surgeons tend towards very large/prominent labia minora. So that's something to keep in mind.

Well also labia majora...

I really can't comment to much on doctors because my surgery is terribly obsolete but distance is a different story. As long as you are staying in the country, distance makes little difference unless your doctor is located just down the street. My trip to Dr Haben was one of the longer trips you can make in the United States and the return trip was long only because I was routed through Florida with almost a 3 hour layover. If you need to fly to all the doctors under consideration, judge by the quality of work first and distance second.

Something else to consider is local doctors can do the follow up. I had a local doctor checking things out after surgery and he made sure I healed correctly. I will admit a major complication might have demanded a return to my surgeon.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on September 18, 2015, 07:43:12 AMFrom what I've seen in various photos, including from people who aren't posted on the surgeons' web sites, the Thai surgeons tend towards very large/prominent labia minora. So that's something to keep in mind.

This is one main reason I'm unlikely to go Thai (although I still might, depending on final costs - Chettawut is a killer deal at the moment and would save me a good $10,000 over Montreal.)  I'm after something "smaller" and more "discrete" than the examples I've seen on both Chett's and Suporn's sites.  While very vagina-y, their work just doesn't appeal to me at all from a cosmetic standpoint.  Although as someone has already mentioned, I'm not going to be staring at it all day so the cosmetics of it all shouldn't really play a major part in my decision.  But that said, I want to be as comfortable as I can be with what I've been given by my chosen surgeon, and I'd be far more comfortable with looks of a well-performed penile inversion.

Which is why I'm leaning towards Brassard at the moment.  He is, in my mind, the undoubted king of penile inversion and can probably perform the operation blindfolded and with one hand tied behind his back.  I've found next to no examples of anyone anywhere dissatisfied with his great work, his unmatched aftercare, his entire team, or him as a person.  Unhappy customers tend to be very vocal customers, and the lack of complaints about Brassard make me very confident that he's worth spending a little more on.  But that's just me.  I want a low-risk, (relatively) low-maintenance option that looks neat and tidy and works well, and Brassard offers precisely that.  Given that GRS is pretty much a one shot deal, I'm slightly uncomfortable going to anyone with a history of complaints, even if those mistakes and bad results are relatively rare.

Not that the other choices are bad choices.  If you're using a "name brand" GRS surgeon, you'll almost certainly get good results these days.  For whatever reason, GRS seems far more predictable than FFS: the good GRS surgeons deliver good vaginas day in, day out.  FFS surgeons seem to be all over the shop in terms of their results, and they all have plenty of unhappy customers.  I guess that's got something to do with the fact that we see our faces each and every day over and over, but we tend not to dwell upon how our genitals look.  Or at least I don't.

Since I'm not yet committed to any one surgeon, I do tend to fluctuate between Brassard and Chettawut.  Sometimes the steal that Chettawut's work is pushes me towards Thailand, while other times the cautious me thinks about the safety of Brassard.  I guess it'll all come down to what kind of mood I'm in on the day I have to send deposit money out.  Either is a great choice.

There is no real point in comparison because you're only comparing individual anatomy, not surgeon skill. You can talk about technique. That would be a more meaningful way to decide which surgeons methods best suit your needs. Comparing photos though, would only be meaningful if you had two different surgeons perform their surgery on identical twins.... Your outcome depends heavily on your anatomy, what your body is like, inside and out. Your age, how you heal, your general health, these are the important factors. Any surgeon you go to can only do their best with what you give them. As for aesthetics, again this depends on your anatomy. one thing I will say though, now that I know what to look for, I've never seen a picture of a post-op vagina that looks natal.

QuoteI'm after something "smaller" and more "discrete" than the examples I've seen on both Chett's and Suporn's sites.  While very vagina-y, their work just doesn't appeal to me at all from a cosmetic standpoint.

Again, to reiterate, the result is about your anatomy, not their technique. Is your anatomy "small and discreet"? Then you'll likely end up small and discreet.

QuoteI'm after something "smaller" and more "discrete" than the examples I've seen on both Chett's and Suporn's sites.  While very vagina-y, their work just doesn't appeal to me at all from a cosmetic standpoint.

Well tbh what most people see is a photoshopped impression... many pics of vaginas are softened that way, and it seems actresses with a tidy or rim look are preferred.
You might look at it that way that the additional skin is an organ.
So during activity a large labia is an additional stimulation.

Quote from: StartingOver on September 18, 2015, 09:31:45 AM
Since I'm not yet committed to any one surgeon, I do tend to fluctuate between Brassard and Chettawut.  Sometimes the steal that Chettawut's work is pushes me towards Thailand, while other times the cautious me thinks about the safety of Brassard.  I guess it'll all come down to what kind of mood I'm in on the day I have to send deposit money out.  Either is a great choice.

Just remember that with Chett almost always a skin graft is necessary which adds to the final result.

Quote from: Isabelle on September 18, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
There is no real point in comparison because you're only comparing individual anatomy, not surgeon skill. You can talk about technique. That would be a Beyer way to decide which surgeons methods best suit your needs. Comparing photos though, would only be meaningful if you had two different surgeons perform their surgery on identical twins.... Your outcome depends heavily on your anatomy, what your body is like, inside and out. Your age, how you heal, your general health, these are the important factors. Any surgeon you go to can only do their best with what you give them.

Well yes but within certain limits it might be talked about...

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As for aesthetics, again this depends on your anatomy. one thing I will say though, now that I know what to look for, I've never seen a picture of a post-op vagina that looks natal.

Well you can look up wall of vaginas. Its a piece of art with dozens of vaginas, showing there is a huge variance.
There are quite a few people where a gyn could not tell a difference. Some even postulated a hysto.
After a few months, with the presence of estrogen, the tissue can turn into a mucosa.
So its basically like a cis vagina.

And concerning looks... well if not knowing beforehand because of variance it would be very difficult to tell a difference.
Of course there might be some spots but they can also be found in cis vaginas.
As said there are huge variances. Thats why many gyns are in awe of the results.

Quote from: chuufk on September 18, 2015, 06:30:07 AMHow long do you expect to spend each day looking at your pussy?

I'm super obsessive about how they look. As a hetero male (currently) I'm not even attracted to girls that don't have "innie" pussies. So yeah, it's a pretty big deal to me.

...and I'd probably be taking a lot of pictures of it to be perfectly honest.

Quote from: Laura_7 on September 18, 2015, 10:26:30 AM

Well you can look up wall of vaginas. Its a piece of art with dozens of vaginas, showing there is a huge variance.
There are quite a few people where a gyn could not tell a difference. Some even postulated a hysto.

I'm not talking about tissue type, I'm talking about the absence of specific external anatomical structures. I'm not an expert by any means in anatomy (or anything else) but, if I can see what's missing and a gynaecologist can't, perhaps it's time to see a new gynaecologist

Laura : Yes, I know cis women have a G-spot, and I can find mine. :) However, there's definitely some skepticism about the "types" of orgasms simply because all the structures are in the same small location and it's very hard to affect just one at a time, particularly since it's been discovered that the clitoris is quite a bit more extensive than the visible bit.

(And yes, the Thai surgeons do offer labia majora; in my personal opinion, the photos I've seen the labia majora are more separated and less defined than *I'd* like, but they do exist.)

StartingOver : The other thing about Brassard is that he's very consistent. That's bad for someone who wants a super customizable result, but REALLY good for someone who likes what he does, because he can reproduce his typical work almost every time.  Yes, there will be variations, but the preference he has for smaller "tidier" labia minora is reliable, for example. (Even with anatomical variations, what will happen is that if he has more material he uses it to refine the overall aesthetics - he gives roughly the same depth and labia minora and majora proportion to everyone, but I think more material equals better clitoral hooding and so on.)

Quote from: Venus on September 18, 2015, 10:42:25 AM
I'm super obsessive about how they look. As a hetero male (currently) I'm not even attracted to girls that don't have "innie" pussies. So yeah, it's a pretty big deal to me.

...and I'd probably be taking a lot of pictures of it to be perfectly honest.

It does not sound like a healthy attitude. As Isobel said, the final result depends on a lot of factors. If you have an ideal mental picture of your perfect pussy then you are unlikely to be happy with the end result because even how it heals will affect the final look. Your first view of it will be of a massively swollen and bruised part of your body. It can be quite off putting.

There are a lot of variables involved. Please try and not obsess about "perfection" because you will not be doing yourself any favours

Quote from: Venus on September 18, 2015, 10:42:25 AM
I'm super obsessive about how they look. As a hetero male (currently) I'm not even attracted to girls that don't have "innie" pussies. So yeah, it's a pretty big deal to me.

...and I'd probably be taking a lot of pictures of it to be perfectly honest.

Its understandable you are quite busy with the subject now.
But its like with many new things... people get used to it, and their attention goes elsewhere over time.

As said, Id see the labia as having senses... and protruding ones are better stimulated...

well.. its often in life that people have a fixed image, and don't get exactly what they want... but often its even better  :)

Quote from: Jenna Marie on September 18, 2015, 12:27:25 PMThe other thing about Brassard is that he's very consistent. That's bad for someone who wants a super customizable result, but REALLY good for someone who likes what he does, because he can reproduce his typical work almost every time.  Yes, there will be variations, but the preference he has for smaller "tidier" labia minora is reliable, for example. (Even with anatomical variations, what will happen is that if he has more material he uses it to refine the overall aesthetics - he gives roughly the same depth and labia minora and majora proportion to everyone, but I think more material equals better clitoral hooding and so on.)

This is music to my ears.  In choosing a surgeon, predictable results are a great asset.  Although the examples of Brassard's work are few and far between, the reviews are almost identical: nice and neat results, no surprises (good or bad), and a great experience overall.  Someone like Bowers seems to have a far wider spread of results; some very happy, some nightmarishly bad.  I'd much rather go for "good and serviceable results almost every time" over "great results on a great day, but ->-bleeped-<-ty results on a ->-bleeped-<-ty day."

Quote from: StartingOver on September 18, 2015, 05:35:01 PM
Although the examples of Brassard's work are few and far between ...

You could have a look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,193632.msg1728766.html#msg1728766


hugs

I don't think it'll be that big of a deal getting a nice innie. I mean, all you really need is smallish labia minora and a puffy vulva. I imagine that could be done afterwords with a fat transfer on a worst case scenario. My mound's a little puffy already so it'd probably be the natural result.

btw that thread you linked Laura just links to another thread and it's almost all dead links inside.

I really don't like how minimalist Brassard's site is compared to everyone else. There's no surgery pictures there and hardly any description of procedures, care, facilities, or anything.

Quote from: Venus on September 18, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
btw that thread you linked Laura just links to another thread and it's almost all dead links inside.

This should be of interest:

Quote from: Jenna Marie on August 13, 2015, 04:16:12 PM
Brassard does tend towards small "tidy" labia minora (I'd say that picture she linked to is reasonably similar to the result I got 11 years later from him, which is impressive consistency!).

Quote from: Venus on September 18, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
I really don't like how minimalist Brassard's site is compared to everyone else. There's no surgery pictures there and hardly any description of procedures, care, facilities, or anything.

Well imo they are kind of afraid of being sued...

They send out a dvd if asked...
and something like it is on youtube... a compilation...

Its not all roses... he sometimes seems to be not really open to individual changes...

Quote from: Laura_7 on September 18, 2015, 04:27:29 PM
Its understandable you are quite busy with the subject now.
But its like with many new things... people get used to it, and their attention goes elsewhere over time.

As said, Id see the labia as having senses... and protruding ones are better stimulated...

well.. its often in life that people have a fixed image, and don't get exactly what they want... but often its even better  :)

in regards to labiaplasty cis women get. information from a surgeon

QuoteA labiaplasty performed appropriately should never affect nerves as the surgical dissection does not really extend beyond the tissue being removed.  There may be reduced sensation on the edge of the labia minora proper for weeks to two months but this is not considered a contribution to sexual pleasure.  The patient response to labiaplasty is almost unanimously positive with reported improved comfort especially in tight fitting clothing, improved sexual enjoyment/sensation/pleasure and improved confidence.  Women usually enjoy sex much more after labiaplasty especially when I include a fat grafting technique I employ on the labia majora.  The added plumpness to the labia majora adds a significant aesthetic and youthful appearance and enhances the pleasant sensations of sexual intercourse as well as reducing any painful contact through the simple act of cushioning.  Addition of 'g-spot fat grafting also significantly enhancess pleasure for both partners.

I can't find any info saying innie's aren't as good stimulation wise.

Quote from: Serenation on September 18, 2015, 06:23:13 PM

I can't find any info saying innie's aren't as good stimulation wise.

Well outer parts are being moved around and are having a larger surface...
its simply physics...

and well they profit from the shortening procedure so shortcomings are not very likely to appear there imo...

Quote from: Laura_7 on September 18, 2015, 07:02:39 PM
Well outer parts are being moved around and are having a larger surface...
its simply physics...

and well they profit from the shortening procedure so shortcomings are not very likely to appear there imo...

You have the same amount of skin to work with wherever you go. Think about it , whether you distribute that skin 30/70 50/50 60/40 between the minora and majora it's the same skin and same surface.

srs surgeons profit also and people have no problems referencing them.

Quote from: Laura_7 on September 18, 2015, 06:08:58 PM

Quote from: Venus on September 18, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
I really don't like how minimalist Brassard's site is compared to everyone else. There's no surgery pictures there and hardly any description of procedures, care, facilities, or anything.

Well imo they are kind of afraid of being sued...

There was a post a while ago where someone reported that Dr Brassard made them sign an NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) prior to surgery. I can't find that post, but I remember it well because its quite shocking if true. It would explain why there's so few negative reviews and published results, although I do know of several.

Quote from: AnonyMs on September 18, 2015, 08:08:17 PM
Well imo they are kind of afraid of being sued...


There was a post a while ago where someone reported that Dr Brassard made them sign an NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) prior to surgery. I can't find that post, but I remember it well because its quite shocking if true. It would explain why there's so few negative reviews and published results, although I do know of several.

No, I've definitely read that too. I think it may have been on a ->-bleeped-<- thread rather than here... but I definitely recall reading that Brassard did that and it was kind of mind blowing.

At this point I've read some super bad stuff about Brassard though (facilities & nurses included, as well as after care, not just the SRS itself) so he's not even in my consideration. It's just between Bowers & McGinn, with leaning towards McGinn.

I can at least say definitively that I did not sign an NDA. I suppose someone else might have... but I never even heard of it while I was there.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on September 18, 2015, 10:24:31 PMI can at least say definitively that I did not sign an NDA. I suppose someone else might have... but I never even heard of it while I was there.

That goes to show that we can't really believe everything we read on the internet. Here's the post that I read on ->-bleeped-<-:

QuoteI read a post on Susans.org a while ago where someone said that Dr Brassard makes patients sign an NDA not to publish their results. It's hard to believe, but it if true it might explain why there's so few pictures published. I tried finding it just now, but couldn't.

I believe the porn star Mia Fever went to Brassard. You could google that...

Searching Google here are the only two threads that it finds:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=148586.20
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=7260.0

The first one doesn't have anything relevant, it's about wargames. The second one isn't relevant either, as it's just a link to epidural procedures. If there was actually a post here about that it seems to have been removed, as far as I can tell... if it ever existed at all.

Other girls that went to Brassard can weigh in but at this point I'm just going to assume that it's inaccurate. It doesn't even really make much sense considering in that same post it mentions a pornstar that used Brassard, which would clearly be breaching an NDA not to publish her results.

Yeah, that's weird. Since that person couldn't find the thread either, it does suggest that it's either removed or never existed (and bear in mind that moderators do remove threads which they feel malign surgeons in an actionable way). I would think that if it were happening, I'd at least have *heard* about it while I was chatting with everyone there. And the porn star would be easy enough to chase down if they truly did want to enforce such a thing, so if she's really out there, I agree with you that the NDA is probably fantasy.

(But again, I can't call someone else a liar for sure, I can only say I never saw a hint of this NDA thing.)

I recall the original post here and I replied to it. I don't recall who wrote it though. I guess we're not going to make any progress with it.

I'm not saying Brassard's doing this as I have no idea, but some companies use legal agreements as a way of filtering bad reviews from Internet. They let the good ones stay up, and get the bad ones removed. The end result looks like unbiased good reviews, but its not. People don't even have to realize they have signed a contract until they get a letter telling them to take it down or else.

If Brassard were doing it, then I'd suggest that Mia Fever has a very decent looking result. However its hard to imagine he could do it without someone saying something, so I doubt its true.

Quote from: Laura_7 on September 18, 2015, 06:08:58 PM
Well imo they are kind of afraid of being sued...

They send out a dvd if asked...
and something like it is on youtube... a compilation...

Its not all roses... he sometimes seems to be not really open to individual changes...

The being sued was an assumption as a general opinion concerning their facility.
Its possible to be open about graphical results and show quite a few or its possible to show few, and only in consultations.
If there are fewer results around imo people are less likely to be disappointed...

Quote from: Serenation on September 18, 2015, 07:25:06 PM
You have the same amount of skin to work with wherever you go. Think about it , whether you distribute that skin 30/70 50/50 60/40 between the minora and majora it's the same skin and same surface.

But its another kind of stimulation if its parts being able to move around, also to the inside, or if its fixed.

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srs surgeons profit also and people have no problems referencing them.

It was just a general hint to make a few own thoughts because sometimes its like ads, its partial.

From a legal standpoint, there's no way (in the US) that any "non-disclosure agreement" would be able to prevent a person from displaying or discussing their own body.  Not even close.  The likelihood of Brassard actually being able to enforce the terms of such an agreement in court are absolutely zero.  Which is why the Brassard NDA is a complete myth.

Quote from: StartingOver on September 19, 2015, 03:48:16 PM
Which is why the Brassard NDA is a complete myth.

Like the Made in Canada tatoo on one of the labia  :)

Something I have yet to see mentioned in this thread is that in the surgeries here in north america the labia minora usually doesn't extend all the way to the vaginal entrance. I think it has something to do with preserving the tissue and minimizing the chance of necrosis or something like that. From all the research I've done on brassard this seems to be the typical aesthetic minus the tiny labia minora. A labiaplasty will give the labia minora a fuller aesthetic if you really want that. From the all the pics I've seen of the Thailand surgeries especially of Suporn, they seem to be able to create a full labia minora that extends to the vagina canal in the initial surgery. 

I'm definitely going to brassard then getting a labiaplasty after.

Hey, now, I totally did wake up with the tattoo. ;)

that's awesome, I can't wait to get my tattoo  ;D