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Conservative Christianity's Discovery of Transgender Issues Worries Trans Christians

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/07/religions_discover_transgender_issues_trans_christians_worry.html

Slate/ By Vanessa Vitiello Urquhart   10/07/2015

"On Monday, the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors held a gathering at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, which was billed as the "first ever" evangelical conference on the subject of something they're calling "transgender confusion." According to someone who attended the event, the result was a one-sided succession of rants against modernity and cultural change that made little or no attempt to address how religious congregations could go about welcoming individuals who are transgender and/or struggling with gender dysphoria."

Yet another reason why the trans community needs to find a way for our voices to be heard. If we are not, the only message people will here are the ignorant examples reported here.

I think most of us that are coming from that background either choose to flee for peace of mind or remain inside feeling like we are lying to God.


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Quote from: Deborah on October 08, 2015, 10:48:22 AM
I think most of us that are coming from that background either choose to flee for peace of mind or remain inside feeling like we are lying to God.


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God knows what we are.  Its the people around us who are confused.  Leaving for sanity is so right.

Hugs

Jen

It saddened me a lot to have to give up on being a lay sister and leaving the Church, but it was better than staying and living a lie. 

I believe, in this day and age that, given certain circumstances, it is ok and fine by God to have to do what you have to do for your own sake, such as leaving church, not attending it. I don't believe one has to go to church or read the bible to believe in God or Jesus nor do I believe one has to preach it as much as we're lead to believe, just a little talking about them from time to time is good enough I believe.

God and Jesus taught us to Love, respect and be kind to one another and to help each other if you're able to, he also taught us that we should accept one another, NOT kick them out or treat them in a way that goes against what he taught us. So if people cannot see this, then their eyes are still closed to the truth, blind and pardon me for this but, they're ignorant to the truth because, ignorance is bliss, but in reality, it is anything but bliss. I guess that's all I have to say on this.

Edit: Now why did the sub say I must enter 80 or less characters to post thus making me have to delete the word Christ from the sub?  ???

The problem is that the bible does say everything the conservatives claim.  It also says everything the other side claims.  Taken as a whole it's pretty much an irreconcilable mess.  If that weren't true we wouldn't have thousands of denominations each claiming to possess the ultimate truth.  So the battle can't be won by by either side by appealing to some biblical authority.


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Quote from: Deborah on October 10, 2015, 11:24:08 AM
The problem is that the bible does say everything the conservatives claim.  It also says everything the other side claims.  Taken as a whole it's pretty much an irreconcilable mess.  If that weren't true we wouldn't have thousands of denominations each claiming to possess the ultimate truth.  So the battle can't be won by by either side by appealing to some biblical authority.


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This is true, IF you compare the old to the new testament and vice versa, even so, if you believe in Jesus, then you go by the new testament not the old, meaning, if something conflicts with the old from the new, you follow only the new testament. Even then, what you said about neither side winning and both claiming to know the ultimate truth is truebut the real ultimate truth is, we do not KNOW the real ultimate truth and neither side is right 100%.

According to Christianity Jesus and the God of the old testament are one in the same.  So he gets credit for all that stuff too. 

The way around it is to not consider everything in the bible inspired by God.  But conservative Christians can't do that because their entire faith rests on the book.


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With which credentials do any of these people claim authority on transgender issues? 

Didn't think so.

Jesus told us that his message was so simple a child could understand it which is why I don't hold much with searching the scriptures with a fine toothed comb in order to find the 'truth'.  Most folk couldn't read during the time of Jesus's ministry on earth and the New Testament was yet to be written so I've done my best to stick with the simple message and not be swayed by people hair splitting over what the Bible says.

I've done my fair share of Bible study and something I found is that there are an awful lot of very doubtful translations of the Bible being waved around by folk who want to use the 'word' as a way to beat on people who are different.  Mostly I use the oldest scriptural sources I can find when I'm in the mood to do a little study.  I also avoid sources likely to be contaminated by the Reformation or the western church.
Anyway enough of starting a lecture.  The message is simple; - Love God and love your neighbour as you would yourself.  Strange how many 'christians' seem to forget that.

Quote from: Lady Smith on October 10, 2015, 06:32:00 PM
I've done my fair share of Bible study and something I found is that there are an awful lot of very doubtful translations of the Bible being waved around by folk who want to use the 'word' as a way to beat on people who are different.

My favorite translation of late is the one where they substituted the word "Pharisees" for "Liberals".  *le facepalm*

Quote from: Jill F on October 10, 2015, 06:36:30 PM
My favorite translation of late is the one where they substituted the word "Pharisees" for "Liberals".  *le facepalm*

Wut!!!  :icon_blink: :eusa_doh:

Those pesky liberals LOL


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the only two words I accept as biblical authority are Christ and Love

Quote from: Deborah on October 10, 2015, 01:55:10 PM
According to Christianity Jesus and the God of the old testament are one in the same.  So he gets credit for all that stuff too.

True, but it says believers live under grace not law. The law was fulfilled on the cross and no longer applies. Some will point out that Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. This is semantics. Either way, the OT law no longer applies.

Quote from: Jill F on October 10, 2015, 06:36:30 PM
My favorite translation of late is the one where they substituted the word "Pharisees" for "Liberals".  *le facepalm*

I've never heard of that, but it doesn't surprise me one bit. The funny thing is the Pharisees were the equivalent some modern "Christians" - hating on and disassociating themselves from people who had "sinned." By contrast, Jesus loved everyone and hung out with those the Pharisees treated with disdain and hate.

Pharisees = Hateful "Christians"

There's still much work to be done in churches regarding lgbt issues. To me, if a person has to hide part of their identity, then that's of no benefit to anyone.

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I love some of the comments here.

God knows our hearts. He knows exactly who we are.  I won't let my faith be lost over some people who say that God doesn't love me. They are no one to decide for Him.

Quote from: stephaniec on October 10, 2015, 08:13:47 PM
the only two words I accept as biblical authority are Christ and Love

This +!

Responding to a question, Jesus summarized the word of God to this -- Love God, Love Your Fellow Man. I must've missed the part where he added "unless they are Gay or Transgender."

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 08, 2015, 09:27:47 AM
Yet another reason why the trans community needs to find a way for our voices to be heard. If we are not, the only message people will here are the ignorant examples reported here.

I completely
agree with this statement,
said perfectly!

A lot
of churches are just scared to let trans
in. They had forgotten that there is a saying..
*Come as you are* and I feel this applies to anyone
in any life situation or in any manner, they
are to be respected and accepted into the church.

I encourage everyone whenever this subject comes up to seek out liberal Christian churches. They have a lot of this right.