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Sorry for the rant. I'm tired of the pain and expense, and don't know if I should just stop or what.

I've been getting electrolysis for 10 years. Due to a stressful marriage, I went gray pretty early, and that makes electrolysis difficult because grey hairs take longer to zap. The lack of progress is convincing me that I should just stop, I'll be dead before it's finished at this rate! My upper lip isn't even done!

I've had several operators over the years, but today after a particularly painful session, I am thinking I should just quit. Laser doesn't work on grey hairs. I'm all done with every other aspect of my transformation, and work full time as female, but this is just looking like the definition of insanity. I can get away without shaving because it's pretty light, but I know it's there, and it ruins any chance of intimacy.

Rant over. I just don't know what to do, but I have to stop torturing myself.

Hi Nikki,

Oooohhhh that top lip. I feel your pain  :D

Have you tried the topical anaesthetic creams? Dulls the senses long enough to get through a session.  How long do you session for?

Speak to you as soon as I shampoo my hair.

Huggs
Catherine

Having the same experience. Coming up on the two year mark, two hour sessions, twice a week. I've spent more on electro than on my SRS. Eats up my time, my money and hurts like all get out.

Make it stop.

Quote from: Catherine Sarah on November 21, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
Hi Nikki,

Oooohhhh that top lip. I feel your pain  :D

Have you tried the topical anaesthetic creams? Dulls the senses long enough to get through a session.  How long do you session for?

Speak to you as soon as I shampoo my hair.

Huggs
Catherine

Well, I've got the cream, but I was originally a redhead, and I've heard how we feel pain more than other humans (lucky us!). I'm leaning toward thinking that this is true. Sometimes it's no big deal, but then I have a day like today when it just kills me. But the pain wouldn't be so bad if I thought I was making progress.

Quote from: suzifrommd on November 21, 2015, 02:29:31 PM
Having the same experience. Coming up on the two year mark, two hour sessions, twice a week. I've spent more on electro than on my SRS. Eats up my time, my money and hurts like all get out.

Make it stop.

I hear you! There was a time when I could do two hours, when I first began electrolysis, but now I can only handle 45 minute sessions once a week.

Hi Nikki,

You're right about being a "red". Are the hairs light enough to wax? Although it's not a permanent solution, at least you can pick a good day and it's pretty instantaneous. Only one scream needed, instead of a lip full.

Speak to you as soon as I water the ducks.

Huggs
Catherine

Another red beard here, and hater of electro. I have only been able to handle once a week hour sessions. Most of the face stuff has reached the invisible stage and the softer hair isn't so bad. I am a fairly butch woman so I am trying to see if I can hack having some facial hair. So long as I can't see it, it doesn't get ingrown and it my skin stays as smooth as it is in the areas she has done. I am trying to adjust to not shaving every day. I hate it. It is such a male activity. Pre transition I buzzed my face and head once a month. I have some hairy cis female friends and am trying to take their lead. Just kill the bristles and red pigment. I think I can do soft and blond.

I've spent over $8K on electrolysis since 4/2014. I'm pretty much all gray. I am definitely making progress. After being on HRT for this long, it seems to hurt more. I cope by using emla cream, 10 mg oxycodone and a lot of medical marijuana (it's legal here).

Yes it sucks! And $$$$$'s  gone.  I've had about 30 hrs. so far and many more to go.  I got a scrip for a formulary ointment that is 5 x as strong as EMLA.  It helps a lot.  My biggest issue is the swelling. I had 2 hrs on my upper lip recently and it's still a little swollen after over 2 wks.

Yes it's slow as I also have many grey hares, It also expensive.....
Remember How do you eat an elephant?

Catherine can you paint my house?

I've never heard of it taking 10 years before. That's a bit scary since I've not started yet.

Is it possible that is a run of bad luck with the operators?

I just started last Friday, could only get an Hour, cost me AUD135.00.... I have grey beard hair, was always light before.
Luckily I started under the chin and barely felt a thing... but now I think I am starting get a little worried about how long it may take.

But my Electrologist was really good, I did get a tiny bit of swelling and one little capillary hit (tiny bruise). Started with Thermolysis 27Mhz... seemed OK.

Katy xxx

Are you doing Galvanic or Thermolysis? I've got a light beard with a lot of grey and white and have done 115 hours of galvanic over two years and now have hardly anything left. I'm hoping it'll be gone within another 10-15 hours.

My electro continues to say galvanic is much more effective and permanent than thermolysis, I kind of figured it was just self promotion but there does seem to be some truth to it. People having thermolysis can often be at it for hundreds of hours with little to show for it, with a need for second and even third sweeps of treated areas. At least with galvanic, when the follicle's dead it tends to stay that way, no second sweeps.

Good point, I can go either, just thought I'd start with thermo tho... start gently  ;D

There is a real difference, Galvanic creates a chemical reaction as well as a zap, where thermo is just a zap and heat is created, the one that was used for me, runs at 27Mhz, less discomfort and can be zapped a little longer...

I will also try Galvanic, just makes more sense when I can get 2 hour appointments after Xmas maybe...?

Katy xx

400 hours here over last four years 😱
I am 95% grey 😞
I also had numerous laser sessions the last 4 years 😨
I don't have to shave every day and the grey hairs don't show much but yes I know they are there and yes kissing is an issue.  So I still shave before going out on a date. 😍

My two cents:

Go to Amazon.com search lidocaine 5 apply the cream an hour before the treatment cover with Syrian wrap. 😷

Also I have never heard grey or black makes a difference with electrolysis only laser. 👀

For anyone who missed it and is interested, there was a thread a while ago on topical anesthetics

Electrolysis Pain Management
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=176665.0

I'm wondering if anyone has found success with the use of Meladine, that allegedly adds melanin to the follicles under the skin and allows the absorption of the laser ray and the destruction of the follicle.

Or is that just wishful thinking? The stuff is 60 bucks a bottle and I'd be willing to check it out. For grey hair, they recommend six weeks of application prior to laser treatment.

I used to hear about the "blend" method of electrolysis being the best. Years ago, I did meet a shyster technician who didn't even bother to give me the electrode to hold until I mentioned it. 

Are we talking about laser or electrolysis? As I understood it, laser doesn't work well on grey or other light hair colors, but electrolysis (which uses a wire actually inserted into the hole and touches the follicle itself) doesn't care about hair color, since it doesn't depend on light.

I'm thinking about doing the E3000 process, if I can find the link....

Hi,

I have found that an instrument that uses a combination of both electrolysis and thermolysis to be very effective with grey hairs.

I use a topical right before treatment but it still hurts.

Jen

I have the curse of the grey hairs. I have done about 75 hours of electrolyis and it has made a difference. I have had multiple sessions with 2 techs doing multiple hours of work. My last session a couple of weeks ago was the equivalent of 13 hours. I am probably only half done. It is going to end up being the most expensive and time consuming part of my transition. I just use topicals and have actually fallen asleep durning some of my sessions.  I wish there was an easier way to get rid of the grey.

I can't imagine counting the hours, I'd get depressed. I use the numbing cream which does work. I have found that when the pain starts getting really bad, I rub my feet together. It gives me something physical to do and it takes my mind off of the pain. It sounds silly, but it works.   Moni

The key to effective Electrolysis is the Electrologist and their knowledge of beard hair removal and their skill in effectively treating the follicle. I have spent many hours "in the chair" and a lot of money on electrolysis to remove a very heavy beard. I have been treated with all three modalities (Galvanic, Thermolysis and Blend).
My experience (in time order):
  Thermolysis  -  Bad operator, damaged the skin on my Neck! (Portland, OR)
  Galvanic -  Very slow but effective, lots of swelling. (Silicon Valley, California)
  Thermolysis / Flash Thermolysis    -  Not very effective, Highest hairs treated per hour, but most of the treated hair came back. (Portland, OR)
  Blend -  Most effective and much faster than Galvanic, very few (if any) hairs come back after treatment (Beaverton, OR). 

The most cost effective for me continues to be Blend with an Electrologist that really understands how to achieve the most effective treatment while moderating the pain.

I started out with a very heavy beard (I had to use serious beard cover makeup when I started). I now have a reasonably sparse beard that is about 70% grey and 30% black and can use Mineral powder makeup.

Don't be afraid to try another Electrologist, The best ones will spend time to find the best settings for you that is fully treating the hair with the least pain, they will adjust the settings and the change the probe size as they work on different hair sizes and areas. If they are not, they don't understand the process well enough (or are lazy). 

Under-treatment is at best a dis-service, at worst it is a rip-off.

A great Electrologist is worth traveling to. I currently go to Transformations Electrolysis.

-Cindi

>> Don't be afraid to try another Electrologist, The best ones will spend time to find the best settings for you that is fully treating the hair with the least pain, they will adjust the settings and the change the probe size as they work on different hair sizes and areas. If they are not, they don't understand the process well enough (or are lazy).  <<

Yes, this is the key, finding an good Electrologist. I'm closing in on my 3rd year with mine. For the 1st two years I was doing it pretty much every week for 1 to 2 hours each time. My upper lip took forever. It's mostly clear but I have a few stragglers show up every now and then. We're currently working on my under chin and neck. I'm only going every 2 weeks. She keeps telling me I'm almost done, but I figure I'll be in the chair for the rest of the year. She's doing Blend for me and is always fiddling with the needle size, voltage, etc. I started out with EMLA cream but she applies some topical anesthetic - amusingly sold for men to delay reaching orgasms  :) - and so I stopped with my application.  It doesn't hurt that much and I often fall asleep going into the 2nd hour. I'm 90% gray and white. I had laser for my black hairs a few years ago - wish I started 20 years ago!

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 23, 2015, 04:59:30 AM
Are you doing Galvanic or Thermolysis? I've got a light beard with a lot of grey and white and have done 115 hours of galvanic over two years and now have hardly anything left. I'm hoping it'll be gone within another 10-15 hours.

My electro continues to say galvanic is much more effective and permanent than thermolysis, I kind of figured it was just self promotion but there does seem to be some truth to it. People having thermolysis can often be at it for hundreds of hours with little to show for it, with a need for second and even third sweeps of treated areas. At least with galvanic, when the follicle's dead it tends to stay that way, no second sweeps.
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Just as a counterbalance, I had nothing but thermolysis on my face and had great results with very little regrowth. I figure I had about 100 hours total over a couple of years. When it comes down to it, it's the skills of the operator more than the modality used that really matter. I do think with thermolysis they need to be extra careful about their insertions since you don't have the "spreading out" effect you get from the lye produced in galvanic. I'm continuing with thermolysis on my body hair, with blend only on a small section of really crazy follicles.

I've also had success with thermolysis, spending about 150 hours for face with no scars and skin very smooth. Years later, hardly any growth to speak of. My electrologist was experienced, quite skilled and using a microscope which helped her immensely. Was called microtrolysis.

I was a little confused with the OP.  Electrolysis shouldn't matter what color the hair is....it's electricity into the follicle. 

Am I mistaken?

Hi all! I'm the OP. Well, it's 2018, I did quit electrolysis. It had gotten to the point where I could recall the pain even days after a session. It just doesn't matter, as no one sees it after I shave in the shower, and wear very little makeup anyway. I've removed myself from any trans socializing (No more fair weather friends for me) and only have a couple of trans friends these days.

Thank you for updating your thread. That women don't shave their faces is a horrible misconception of our society. My electrologist shared she has removed many women's beards that were heavier than mine and the handful of men she has worked on.

Quote from: NikkiJ on November 24, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
I'm wondering if anyone has found success with the use of Meladine, that allegedly adds melanin to the follicles under the skin and allows the absorption of the laser ray and the destruction of the follicle.

I used Meladine over the course of a dozen or so laser sessions. The only effect I noticed was greatly increasing post treatment follicle infection.

Not only did my wife had to shave, she would even shave in the women's restroom.  I recall one little girl asking her mommy "why"

Quote from: Beth Andrea on November 26, 2015, 12:31:50 PM


I'm thinking about doing the E3000 process, if I can find the link....

I know this thread was a while ago, but I was wondering if you did indeed go to E3000, and if so, what was your experience?

Back when they were Electrology2000, I had a very bad experience with them. I wondered if they had improved.

Thanks,
Kate

I've got about 90 hours and maybe 15 more to go. It hurts but I take some precautions which help immensely. Drink lot's of water and do not have coffee the morning of the treatment. I also use lidocaine especially on the upper lip.

I am glad this tread popped up. Looks like I will have to buy lidocaine.

Heard this is a super long procedure compared to laser hair removal. I don't know if I have the patience to withstand it lol

Well, um. Do you want it to work?

I spent A LOT of money on laser, with very dark hair at the time. Virtually all came back, in spite of following the protocols and costs perfectly.

The patience may be the only option...

K

Quote from: KatieP on September 11, 2018, 11:24:00 PM
I spent A LOT of money on laser, with very dark hair at the time. Virtually all came back, in spite of following the protocols and costs perfectly.

How long did it take to come back? When could you tell it was coming back?

Quote from: NikkiJ on August 13, 2018, 10:32:35 AM
Hi all! I'm the OP. Well, it's 2018, I did quit electrolysis.

        I quit too . . . after 'bout 20hrs with Ahova Atlanta (Mishael's) found it to be of little benefit @ great expense. Know someone here who cleared face by herself but unsure I'd recommend that either! Used to watch my step-grandmother work out of her garage studio wished had 'out' sooner! Has to be a better way . . .

". . . it ruins any chance of intimacy." Guys like "scruff" NOT!

Quote from: kat69 on April 03, 2017, 10:37:07 AM
I was a little confused with the OP.  Electrolysis shouldn't matter what color the hair is....it's electricity into the follicle. 

Am I mistaken?

It makes a big difference to how much juice it takes to fry the follicle.  I can tell when my electrologist is zapping a white hair, because she cranks the machine up to "Kill"!  She has to scrape me off the ceiling after those ones.  The younger, darker hairs, she can get with a setting of "Stun".

Quote from: nancy_james on September 11, 2018, 11:21:31 PM
Heard this is a super long procedure compared to laser hair removal. I don't know if I have the patience to withstand it lol

If you have gray or white hairs, your only choices are electrolysis or shave every day.  I think a girl shouldn't have to shave, so it has been worth the year and a half I have spent so far getting my face zapped.  I am actually seeing results now.  And it keeps my transition moving forward while I am waiting for other appointments.

Quote from: AnonyMs on September 12, 2018, 03:44:42 AM
How long did it take to come back? When could you tell it was coming back?

The way I remember it, very soon after a session, it did seem like the hair had thinned a bit. But it was never like all the hair was gone for any amount of time. So, after 8 or 10 sessions weeks apart (a month apart?), I stopped. And, long term, it may have be thinner than it was to start. Hard to say. The laser tech said results on established beards are mixed. My part of the mix wasn't so good. I tried only the one place, and the one type of laser, although I don't recall the laser type any more. That place was in a dermatologist's office, so I thought/hoped it would be good.

Laser was very effective on my legs. That was money well-spent, and highly recommended.

Kate