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Title: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 01:49:54 AM
Post by: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 01:49:54 AM
Hi Everyone,
I've found recently that I'm kind of ambivalent about my height, which I'm aware I can't change. I do want a realistic perspective on the problem of height, however.
To start, I'm 5 ft. 9.5. Whether to round up or down, I have no clue, so I'll just accept that I'm halfway between the two. Sometimes, it really frustrates me, yet sometimes I manage to cope with it. A lot of my opinion regarding my stature is mediated by what people have to say about it since, unfortunately, my desire to pass goes hand-in-hand with what people deem to be feminine (not what I myself picture as being feminine).
The other day, this guy who was talking to me online was going on about how attractive he thought I was (knowing that I'm trans), but once I confessed how tall I am, he stated that he just sort of assumes that girls that are 5 ft 7+ are transsexual. He insisted that so many of the stares I mention getting must be grounded in people trying to figure out if I'm transsexual because of my height. It really hurt.
I then tried rationalizing with him, telling him that super models and volleyball players are around my height. "Yeah, but they're supermodels and volleyball players, so it actually makes sense", he maintained. I then asked him if he has ever been to a city, where a six-foot-tall chick doesn't mean anything, and he said he lives in a huge metropolitan area. He stated that I must be surrounded by Amazonian women for people not to make a huge deal out of my height. Obviously, it hurt, because he had no problem with me being trans until I stated that I'm tall.
Yet, I start Googling things, and I encountered this "Ideal Female Height" forum, in which the first six posters all maintained that heights ranging from 5 ft. 9 to 6 ft. in females is very attractive "because legs".
My boyfriend obviously likes my height, and he says it's okay because I'm slender (with 6.3-inch wrists, 16-inch shoulders, and 35-27-38 measurements), yet people still makes fun of it, which hurts since I can't do anything about it.
So, is height something that will prompt people to wonder if I'm transsexual, even as a very passable trans woman? Is 5 ft 9.5 a big deal, notably in the big city, like where I live? At what point does height become a legitimate concern for someone who is afraid of being clocked?
I'm really curious about others' perspectives.
Sincerely,
Ally
I've found recently that I'm kind of ambivalent about my height, which I'm aware I can't change. I do want a realistic perspective on the problem of height, however.
To start, I'm 5 ft. 9.5. Whether to round up or down, I have no clue, so I'll just accept that I'm halfway between the two. Sometimes, it really frustrates me, yet sometimes I manage to cope with it. A lot of my opinion regarding my stature is mediated by what people have to say about it since, unfortunately, my desire to pass goes hand-in-hand with what people deem to be feminine (not what I myself picture as being feminine).
The other day, this guy who was talking to me online was going on about how attractive he thought I was (knowing that I'm trans), but once I confessed how tall I am, he stated that he just sort of assumes that girls that are 5 ft 7+ are transsexual. He insisted that so many of the stares I mention getting must be grounded in people trying to figure out if I'm transsexual because of my height. It really hurt.
I then tried rationalizing with him, telling him that super models and volleyball players are around my height. "Yeah, but they're supermodels and volleyball players, so it actually makes sense", he maintained. I then asked him if he has ever been to a city, where a six-foot-tall chick doesn't mean anything, and he said he lives in a huge metropolitan area. He stated that I must be surrounded by Amazonian women for people not to make a huge deal out of my height. Obviously, it hurt, because he had no problem with me being trans until I stated that I'm tall.
Yet, I start Googling things, and I encountered this "Ideal Female Height" forum, in which the first six posters all maintained that heights ranging from 5 ft. 9 to 6 ft. in females is very attractive "because legs".
My boyfriend obviously likes my height, and he says it's okay because I'm slender (with 6.3-inch wrists, 16-inch shoulders, and 35-27-38 measurements), yet people still makes fun of it, which hurts since I can't do anything about it.
So, is height something that will prompt people to wonder if I'm transsexual, even as a very passable trans woman? Is 5 ft 9.5 a big deal, notably in the big city, like where I live? At what point does height become a legitimate concern for someone who is afraid of being clocked?
I'm really curious about others' perspectives.
Sincerely,
Ally
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: iKate on January 02, 2016, 02:40:27 AM
Post by: iKate on January 02, 2016, 02:40:27 AM
That's kind of odd that he would say that because I work with a lot of cis women who are taller than me (I'm 5'6")but few over 6ft.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 02:50:13 AM
Post by: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 02:50:13 AM
Quote from: iKate on January 02, 2016, 02:40:27 AMUm alright. Well, what about cis women in the 5 ft. 9/10 area? Is 5 ft 9 and lithe like I am as acceptable as being 5 ft. 6 and blocky? Should height even be of concern to us, or is it more secondary to other characteristics?
That's kind of odd that he would say that because I work with a lot of cis women who are taller than me (I'm 5'6")but few over 6ft.
Ally
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Sybil on January 02, 2016, 03:36:26 AM
Post by: Sybil on January 02, 2016, 03:36:26 AM
Er, I'm 5'9" (~9.5", amusingly enough) as well, and 5'9" in women is at the 95th percentile.
~1/20 women are 5'9" or taller. Your online acquaintance is a (possibly sexist) nutter.
~1/20 women are 5'9" or taller. Your online acquaintance is a (possibly sexist) nutter.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 03:43:25 AM
Post by: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 03:43:25 AM
Quote from: Sybil on January 02, 2016, 03:36:26 AMExcellent logic; that puts things into perspective for me. According to him, one out of every twenty women must be transsexual. Actually, even more, given that he said 5 ft. 7+. You gave me a new perspective; thanks a ton.
Er, I'm 5'9" (~9.5", amusingly enough) as well, and 5'9" in women is at the 95th percentile.
~1/20 women are 5'9" or taller. Your online acquaintance is a (possibly sexist) nutter.
Ally
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Sybil on January 02, 2016, 03:56:21 AM
Post by: Sybil on January 02, 2016, 03:56:21 AM
Quote from: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 03:43:25 AM
Excellent logic; that puts things into perspective for me. According to him, one out of every twenty women must be transsexual. Actually, even more, given that he said 5 ft. 7+. You gave me a new perspective; thanks a ton.
Ally
You bet!
Oh, just in case he tries to grill you about it, here is a height chart from the Center of Disease Control: http://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set2clinical/cj41c072.pdf (http://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set2clinical/cj41c072.pdf)
(5'9" is 96th percentile there, but for the sake of simplicity and not getting into wild detail about ethnic groups, it's 95th for Caucasian women)
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Moomin on January 02, 2016, 04:17:51 AM
Post by: Moomin on January 02, 2016, 04:17:51 AM
Hi! It is something I've come across too, even when you present them with facts! Interestingly one of my exes was the same height as me and she got trans-phobic slurs too and she is Cis. I'm 5 8' by the way X
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 04:30:40 AM
Post by: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 04:30:40 AM
Quote from: Moomin on January 02, 2016, 04:17:51 AMNow that you've said that, it almost sounds like some men just have deep-seated confidence issues. I'm trying to imagine how that might work -- labeling any female who's 5 ft. 8+ as "formerly a man"...? Maybe it stems from intimidation, in that men want to appear ( usually) as masculine as possible, and then he sees this tall, beautiful, modelesque chick who won't even lay eyes on him. Obviously, she must be a "man" at that point (sarcasm). How deplorable.
Hi! It is something I've come across too, even when you present them with facts! Interestingly one of my exes was the same height as me and she got trans-phobic slurs too and she is Cis. I'm 5 8' by the way X
Ally
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Sybil on January 02, 2016, 04:41:20 AM
Post by: Sybil on January 02, 2016, 04:41:20 AM
Quote from: Moomin on January 02, 2016, 04:17:51 AM
Hi! It is something I've come across too, even when you present them with facts! Interestingly one of my exes was the same height as me and she got trans-phobic slurs too and she is Cis. I'm 5 8' by the way X
I have some (cis) friends who are taller than me and get this kind of commentary, too. It really seems to vary depending on their build, though -- my really thin friends don't get much commentary, but more athletic friends have heard things.
Quote from: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 04:30:40 AM
Now that you've said that, it almost sounds like some men just have deep-seated confidence issues. I'm trying to imagine how that might work -- labeling any female who's 5 ft. 8+ as "formerly a man"...? Maybe it stems from intimidation, in that men want to appear ( usually) as masculine as possible, and then he sees this tall, beautiful, modelesque chick who won't even lay eyes on him. Obviously, she must be a "man" at that point (sarcasm). How deplorable.
Ally
Honestly, it's probably something like that. I've known some insecure guys around my height who get really bent out of shape about 5'7"+ women. My boyfriend is 6'6" and tells me I'm short. It's all relative to them? I don't think I have ever had a 6'+ guy comment on my height.
On the other hand, the guy I was interested in before my boyfriend came along is 5'8". He was totally fine with it. He's also a really confident person and doesn't get hung up on validating himself.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Moomin on January 02, 2016, 04:45:06 AM
Post by: Moomin on January 02, 2016, 04:45:06 AM
Thats how I look at it too Almightymouse. I try not to over analyse. I just accept if I was cis and this tall, I'd still get it :) hugs
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: emma-f on January 02, 2016, 05:49:24 AM
Post by: emma-f on January 02, 2016, 05:49:24 AM
I'm 5 ft 8 1/2 and wear heels when I'm out and have never felt "tall" (although weirdly everyone thinks I'm only 5'6 and don't believe I'm 5 81/2 but I am honest). Most of my friends are within an inch or two of my height (above or below). Average heights are increasing in many parts of the world and thus an "average" 20 year old may well be taller than the quoted heights. I don't think a woman seems to be tall until she's maybe 5'11 or above, and even then I've never seen it as a marker of trans. Not one of my very tall friends has ever had that suggestion made of them. Maybe it's different in the UK to elsewhere, but from my experience it seems to be only if there are additional markers that height ever becomes part of the picture.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: captains on January 02, 2016, 07:11:36 AM
Post by: captains on January 02, 2016, 07:11:36 AM
I know an assload of cis women who are around 5ft 9. It's average-tall. That guy was a nutter.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Denjin on January 02, 2016, 07:14:46 AM
Post by: Denjin on January 02, 2016, 07:14:46 AM
That guy is a total nutter. The shortest person in my family is my sister at 5'9! I'm 5'10 as is my mother... Height is a total non-issue in real life, too, in regards to passing.
Title: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: iKate on January 02, 2016, 07:42:48 AM
Post by: iKate on January 02, 2016, 07:42:48 AM
Quote from: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 02:50:13 AM
Um alright. Well, what about cis women in the 5 ft. 9/10 area? Is 5 ft 9 and lithe like I am as acceptable as being 5 ft. 6 and blocky? Should height even be of concern to us, or is it more secondary to other characteristics?
Ally
I don't think so. American women are taller on average. If it really bothers you adjust your clothing to de-emphasize your height and stay away from high heels. Proportion is more relevant.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: April_TO on January 02, 2016, 03:23:33 PM
Post by: April_TO on January 02, 2016, 03:23:33 PM
A very good point was made. It all depends where you are - I am from a big Canadian city and most women in my area are a bit smaller than I am - I am 5'5.5 and yet I complain a lot about my height.
Again, height is debatable. However, if I may be candid height is one the male gender markers we cannot change. Lucky for anyone below 5'5 coz it seems like this is what society deems as an acceptable female height.
But live with what you have. At least, you won't need to wear heels anymore.
April
Again, height is debatable. However, if I may be candid height is one the male gender markers we cannot change. Lucky for anyone below 5'5 coz it seems like this is what society deems as an acceptable female height.
But live with what you have. At least, you won't need to wear heels anymore.
April
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Karlie Ann on January 02, 2016, 03:31:13 PM
Post by: Karlie Ann on January 02, 2016, 03:31:13 PM
Just to note, most of the supermodels and Victoria's Secret models are 5'9 - 5'10. Not that we need to compare ourselves to them, but 5'9 isn't unfeminine.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 03:52:06 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 03:52:06 PM
Hi Ally
You are a normal hight at being 5'-9" tall. That is fine. I'm on the short end of the scale as I'm only 5'-3" and when I wear 4" heels I'm still only 5'-7" and I feel short around a lot of the Cis women that I work with. It works both way. Most men today are all over 6' tall so what the hell. Don't let that bother you. :angel:
Hug's
Lyndsey
You are a normal hight at being 5'-9" tall. That is fine. I'm on the short end of the scale as I'm only 5'-3" and when I wear 4" heels I'm still only 5'-7" and I feel short around a lot of the Cis women that I work with. It works both way. Most men today are all over 6' tall so what the hell. Don't let that bother you. :angel:
Hug's
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lagertha on January 02, 2016, 04:12:02 PM
Post by: Lagertha on January 02, 2016, 04:12:02 PM
How tall you actually are depends on where you live and how tall are women around you. If you are 5'10 and you live in Latin America, or Asia, you probably feel like a giant among mostly very short population of women. If you are 5'10 and you are in US, you are tall, but it's not unusual to see other women as tall from time to time. If you live anywhere in middle Europe, or northern Europe, you see women your height everywhere you go, and many waaay taller... 6'1 or 6'2 is nothing unusual for younger generations.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 04:17:06 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 04:17:06 PM
Quote from: Lagertha on January 02, 2016, 04:12:02 PM
How tall you actually are depends on where you live and how tall are women around you. If you are 5'10 and you live in Latin America, or Asia, you probably feel like a giant among mostly very short population of women. If you are 5'10 and you are in US, you are tall, but it's not unusual to see other women as tall from time to time. If you live anywhere in middle Europe, or northern Europe, you see women your height everywhere you go, and many waaay taller... 6'1 or 6'2 is nothing unusual for younger generations.
Hi All
Like my daughter is taller than me by 3" I told her because she slept a lot as a kid so gravity didn't effect her like us that had to get up early or we couldn't sleep in because our parents didn't let us.
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Joan on January 02, 2016, 04:28:42 PM
Post by: Joan on January 02, 2016, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: Lagertha on January 02, 2016, 04:12:02 PM
How tall you actually are depends on where you live and how tall are women around you. If you are 5'10 and you live in Latin America, or Asia, you probably feel like a giant among mostly very short population of women. If you are 5'10 and you are in US, you are tall, but it's not unusual to see other women as tall from time to time. If you live anywhere in middle Europe, or northern Europe, you see women your height everywhere you go, and many waaay taller... 6'1 or 6'2 is nothing unusual for younger generations.
Ain't that the truth. I'm 6'2" (last time I measured) and the women around me are on average 5'3". I get for more attention when standing up that when sitting down.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: Joan on January 02, 2016, 04:28:42 PM
Ain't that the truth. I'm 6'2" (last time I measured) and the women around me are on average 5'3". I get for more attention when standing up that when sitting down.
WOW!
Katelynn Jenner is 6'-5" and Candice Caine is 6'-4" then they wear 4" or 5" heels that is why they have to duck when going from room to room.
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Joan on January 02, 2016, 04:43:13 PM
Post by: Joan on January 02, 2016, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
WOW!
Katelynn Jenner is 6'-5" and Candice Caine is 6'-4" then they wear 4" or 5" heels that is why they have to duck when going from room to room.
Lyndsey
I feel for them. Walked out of the ladies in a restaurant the other day, hit my head on the doorframe, and my wig shifted back about half an inch. At least it didn't fall off lol.
And I was wearing flats :D
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 04:49:03 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 04:49:03 PM
Quote from: Joan on January 02, 2016, 04:43:13 PM
I feel for them. Walked out of the ladies in a restaurant the other day, hit my head on the doorframe, and my wig shifted back about half an inch. At least it didn't fall off lol.
And I was wearing flats :D
Oh My God Joan
That is too funny even though it isn't. I have to wear my heel so that I can put dishes away in my top cabinets. or change a light bulb.
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Joan on January 02, 2016, 04:55:50 PM
Post by: Joan on January 02, 2016, 04:55:50 PM
Quote from: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 04:49:03 PM
Oh My God Joan
That is too funny even though it isn't. I have to wear my heel so that I can put dishes away in my top cabinets. or change a light bulb.
Lyndsey
No, it was too funny :D
I have friend who is 4'11" and she can't reach anything on the shelves in my kitchen. She does get to wear the cutest clothes. i had one woman tell me she wished she was as tall as I was because it was so attractive. There are positives and negatives to everything.
If you're tall then you're going to stand out. There are good reasons for being proud of what you have.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Dana88 on January 02, 2016, 04:56:23 PM
Post by: Dana88 on January 02, 2016, 04:56:23 PM
Quote from: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 01:49:54 AM
Hi Everyone,
I've found recently that I'm kind of ambivalent about my height, which I'm aware I can't change. I do want a realistic perspective on the problem of height, however.
To start, I'm 5 ft. 9.5. Whether to round up or down, I have no clue, so I'll just accept that I'm halfway between the two. Sometimes, it really frustrates me, yet sometimes I manage to cope with it. A lot of my opinion regarding my stature is mediated by what people have to say about it since, unfortunately, my desire to pass goes hand-in-hand with what people deem to be feminine (not what I myself picture as being feminine).
The other day, this guy who was talking to me online was going on about how attractive he thought I was (knowing that I'm trans), but once I confessed how tall I am, he stated that he just sort of assumes that girls that are 5 ft 7+ are transsexual. He insisted that so many of the stares I mention getting must be grounded in people trying to figure out if I'm transsexual because of my height. It really hurt.
I then tried rationalizing with him, telling him that super models and volleyball players are around my height. "Yeah, but they're supermodels and volleyball players, so it actually makes sense", he maintained. I then asked him if he has ever been to a city, where a six-foot-tall chick doesn't mean anything, and he said he lives in a huge metropolitan area. He stated that I must be surrounded by Amazonian women for people not to make a huge deal out of my height. Obviously, it hurt, because he had no problem with me being trans until I stated that I'm tall.
Yet, I start Googling things, and I encountered this "Ideal Female Height" forum, in which the first six posters all maintained that heights ranging from 5 ft. 9 to 6 ft. in females is very attractive "because legs".
My boyfriend obviously likes my height, and he says it's okay because I'm slender (with 6.3-inch wrists, 16-inch shoulders, and 35-27-38 measurements), yet people still makes fun of it, which hurts since I can't do anything about it.
So, is height something that will prompt people to wonder if I'm transsexual, even as a very passable trans woman? Is 5 ft 9.5 a big deal, notably in the big city, like where I live? At what point does height become a legitimate concern for someone who is afraid of being clocked?
I'm really curious about others' perspectives.
Sincerely,
Ally
I am 5'9" on the dot and have no problem passing, and I ALWAYS wear heels, bringing me closer to 6'. Sometimes I see other women stare at me on the street, but usually they stare, then look at my shoes, see my heels, and then keep on moving. I've had multiple cis girls who had no clue that I'm trans comment on how jealous they are of my height. My best friend, a cis girl, is 5'8", and then I have in my group of friends cis girlfriends who are 5'8" and 5'9". My closest family friends, the mother is 6', and they have two daughters, one 5'9", one 6'. So they idea that any girl over 5'7" is immediately "clockable" is utterly ridiculous. That's my two cents :-P. What I think people clock is insecurity. So if you're 5'9", OWN THAT MODEL HEIGHT! Work it!
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 05:02:18 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 05:02:18 PM
Quote from: Joan on January 02, 2016, 04:55:50 PM
No, it was too funny :D
I have friend who is 4'11" and she can't reach anything on the shelves in my kitchen. She does get to wear the cutest clothes. i had one woman tell me she wished she was as tall as I was because it was so attractive. There are positives and negatives to everything.
If you're tall then you're going to stand out. There are good reasons for being proud of what you have.
Hi Joan
I guess you are right. at least I can wear heel and still not be taller than most people. My Guy Scott is 6'-4" like my brothers. I don't have to worry about hitting my head. But is is have to change that light bulb and reach up high. and when I sit in my Jeep Sahara i have a seat that raises for me so I can look over the steering wheel. Heel don't lift your ass on a seat. LOL
Hugs
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Sharon Anne McC on January 02, 2016, 05:33:37 PM
Post by: Sharon Anne McC on January 02, 2016, 05:33:37 PM
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I was among the taller of my school grade until 7th Grade through 9th Grade; my class-mates grew around me and I was suddenly in the middle average.
Then I had another growth spurt and topped at 5'11"; again I felt awkward so I took advantage and played on the high school basketball team where I was short among seven-footers. That solved my self-consciousness of height.
I joined a 'tall club' when I began transitioning and again was among the shorter of the other women; 5'10" was the entry height. I did work as a videographer; being taller helpt get a good view over the shorter heads in front of me.
Yep. It is about perspective.
I came to accept and 'own' my tallness; I like my height. Hopefully, you will accept yours.
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Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Gertrude on January 02, 2016, 06:56:54 PM
Post by: Gertrude on January 02, 2016, 06:56:54 PM
I'm 6'5. I wish I was 5'8. It would make things easier and I'd pass.
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Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Mallory on January 02, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Post by: Mallory on January 02, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 04:30:40 AM
Now that you've said that, it almost sounds like some men just have deep-seated confidence issues. I'm trying to imagine how that might work -- labeling any female who's 5 ft. 8+ as "formerly a man"...? Maybe it stems from intimidation, in that men want to appear ( usually) as masculine as possible, and then he sees this tall, beautiful, modelesque chick who won't even lay eyes on him. Obviously, she must be a "man" at that point (sarcasm). How deplorable.
Ally
Hit the nail on the head, sweetheart. I've had a guy flat out tell me that he wasn't attracted to women bigger than he was. He was 5'8", I was 5'9" and built like a football player. I completely emasculated him. So confidence issues? Definitely. Half the women ive dated have been bigger than I was, especially in high school.
Ps. Tell the little guy to visit the Dimond Blvd Fred Meyer in Anchorage, Alaska at around 5pm. I'm 5'9" and stand about 3-4" shorter than 90% of everyone i see in that place, including women. Something in the water for sure. But the opposite applies in Geogria/Alabama; I'm 3-4" taller than 90% of women and the same height as everyone else. Geographic region plays a hell of a role.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
Quote from: Mallory on January 02, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Hit the nail on the head, sweetheart. I've had a guy flat out tell me that he wasn't attracted to women bigger than he was. He was 5'8", I was 5'9" and built like a football player. I completely emasculated him. So confidence issues? Definitely. Half the women ive dated have been bigger than I was, especially in high school.
Ps. Tell the little guy to visit the Dimond Blvd Fred Meyer in Anchorage, Alaska at around 5pm. I'm 5'9" and stand about 3-4" shorter than 90% of everyone i see in that place, including women. Something in the water for sure. But the opposite applies in Geogria/Alabama; I'm 3-4" taller than 90% of women and the same height as everyone else. Geographic region plays a hell of a role.
Hi Mallory
I know as I lived in Galena AK for years. There is 25 men for each of us women. Yahoo!
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Ms Grace on January 02, 2016, 07:36:01 PM
Post by: Ms Grace on January 02, 2016, 07:36:01 PM
I'm 6'3"... had a dream the other night where everyone was 7 or 8 feet tall, or I had shrunk to 5 foot. It's a weird experience looking at the underside of peoples' chins, or up their noses!!
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 07:46:32 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 07:46:32 PM
Quote from: Ms Grace on January 02, 2016, 07:36:01 PM
I'm 6'3"... had a dream the other night where everyone was 7 or 8 feet tall, or I had shrunk to 5 foot. It's a weird experience looking at the underside of peoples' chins, or up their noses!!
Oh My Grace
I'm such a shot girl and yes can you only imagine if that was me I would need my reading glasses I would be looking under your Chin but I would be looking under everybody's chin I would be able to help all of you if there was a problem.
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Serenation on January 02, 2016, 08:15:39 PM
Post by: Serenation on January 02, 2016, 08:15:39 PM
You are too short to be a stormtrooper, my condolences
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 08:17:32 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 02, 2016, 08:17:32 PM
Quote from: Serenation on January 02, 2016, 08:15:39 PM
You are too short to be a stormtrooper, my condolences
Hi Serenation
LOL your right!
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Dankster on January 03, 2016, 04:59:04 AM
Post by: Dankster on January 03, 2016, 04:59:04 AM
Also 5'9". I come from a Mexican family and live in an area with a Hispanic majority and damn do I feel oversized among my own people. Lmao seriously. When I'm walking down the street or at a store or restaurant or something, I'm usually the tallest. Most Hispanic dudes I see are usually like 5'7" and chics are like 5'4". But when I go to different parts of the city, like the nicer parts, I see hot chics that are like my height or taller. I've seen a few who look like models and are at least 6'3" It really depends in the area you're in. I know where I'm moving when I finish school. ;D
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Ms Grace on January 03, 2016, 05:24:31 AM
Post by: Ms Grace on January 03, 2016, 05:24:31 AM
"Amazon Eve" - 6'8" model...also trans...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Eve
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Eve
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Gertrude on January 03, 2016, 10:13:04 AM
Post by: Gertrude on January 03, 2016, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: Ms Grace on January 02, 2016, 07:36:01 PM
I'm 6'3"... had a dream the other night where everyone was 7 or 8 feet tall, or I had shrunk to 5 foot. It's a weird experience looking at the underside of peoples' chins, or up their noses!!
I'm not a thin 6'5. At 19-20 I was 245 w/ 19" arms and 54" chest. No more...way overweight. Should weigh about 215. 4 years ago my LBM was 210. At 53, May be its 190 now. Amazon eve is probably under 200. I am a long way from 215 or 245. If there is a god, it has a f'd up sense of humor putting a female like brain in an incongruent body.
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Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: MichaelaLJ1972 on January 03, 2016, 12:39:44 PM
Post by: MichaelaLJ1972 on January 03, 2016, 12:39:44 PM
I definitely feel blessed to be 5'5" tall, especially since I love very tall men.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Jenna Marie on January 03, 2016, 01:34:05 PM
Post by: Jenna Marie on January 03, 2016, 01:34:05 PM
The average American woman is 5'5". That would seem to make 5'7" not more than one deviation off of average. But maybe I'm rationalizing, since I am 5'7" and blocky. ;) (I was 5'8" pre-HRT.) However, the consensus among everyone I've ever complained to about being too tall is that anything under 6' is just "sexy tall," not excessively tall. I think this guy is just rude and insecure, as others in the thread have said.
(And I have cis female friends over 6'; that's not saying that taller women are necessarily in trouble either.)
(And I have cis female friends over 6'; that's not saying that taller women are necessarily in trouble either.)
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: schwarzwalderkirschtort on January 03, 2016, 02:07:54 PM
Post by: schwarzwalderkirschtort on January 03, 2016, 02:07:54 PM
I'm ftm, but I'm 5'11/6'0 now (I grew!) and people didn't think much of it until i mentioned my age. There's lots of girls in my family who are 6'1+, don't worry! and you see girls taller than 5'6 all the time
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: itsApril on January 03, 2016, 02:29:07 PM
Post by: itsApril on January 03, 2016, 02:29:07 PM
Quote from: almightymouse on January 02, 2016, 01:49:54 AM
The other day, this guy who was talking to me online was going on about how attractive he thought I was (knowing that I'm trans), but once I confessed how tall I am, he stated that he just sort of assumes that girls that are 5 ft 7+ are transsexual. He insisted that so many of the stares I mention getting must be grounded in people trying to figure out if I'm transsexual because of my height. It really hurt.
Ditch this guy. He fronts off like he's being all understanding and supportive, but then brings up this BS about how people can't accept you. And it's nonsense, too. There are lots of tall women and nobody questions their gender identity.
His real goal is to undermine your self-confidence. Maybe he's trolling you and doing it just to be mean. Maybe he's attracted to you and hopes you'll be more interested in him if he can get you to doubt that others can accept you. (There's a certain kind of toxic male who intentionally demeans women to weaken them and make them more dependent.) Whatever the explanation, you don't need that kind of negativity in your life. 5'9-1/2" is a great height to be. So hold your head up proud!
5'8" here.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Sydney_NYC on January 03, 2016, 02:45:01 PM
Post by: Sydney_NYC on January 03, 2016, 02:45:01 PM
There are plenty of girls over 5'7". My mother is 5'11" and one of my step sisters is 5'10". So to assume an woman over 5'7" as trans is total BS. I'm 6'5¼" and my height has never outed me as being transgender. Cis-women all the time complement me on my height wishing they were as tall as me. Unless someone is looking for it (like this guy that is a ->-bleeped-<-), the last thing on anyones mind is someone being transgender. I haven't been mis-gendered by anyone who didn't know me before since May 2014. So height alone is not going to prevent you from passing. Remember it's a combination of looks (face), lack of facial hair, mannerisms, hair, voice, dress, etc that determines whether you are passing/blending or not. I don't consider height a factor on passing, but it is a factor on getting noticed. The taller you are more notice you are going to get and if you blending in those areas, you'll be getting noticed as a cis-woman, not as a trans woman.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: starting_anew on January 03, 2016, 02:58:19 PM
Post by: starting_anew on January 03, 2016, 02:58:19 PM
I think it's the fact that trans women are more visible now, and people are actively "figuring out" if those they see are cis or trans.
My beautiful cis female friend is 6 feet tall, and she has gotten asked a number of times if she's trans. Honestly, she's about the most feminine woman I know, and could easily be a supermodel. Would she have had the same experience 15-20 years ago? Probably not.
For what it's worth, I was super excited that I was beginning to pass consistently as female, and attributed a great deal of it to my voice and height (5'4"), and then on the train a gaggle of guys kept pointing to my adam's apple and calling me an "it." There are countless features that could be pointed out as being masculine or feminine, and none are really definitive - there are, as we know, rare cis women who do have protruding adam's apples, just as there are cis women who are over 5'11".
Anyway, to me 5'9" is definitely not super tall by cis standards - I should get my cis friend to talk to you ;) haha
My beautiful cis female friend is 6 feet tall, and she has gotten asked a number of times if she's trans. Honestly, she's about the most feminine woman I know, and could easily be a supermodel. Would she have had the same experience 15-20 years ago? Probably not.
For what it's worth, I was super excited that I was beginning to pass consistently as female, and attributed a great deal of it to my voice and height (5'4"), and then on the train a gaggle of guys kept pointing to my adam's apple and calling me an "it." There are countless features that could be pointed out as being masculine or feminine, and none are really definitive - there are, as we know, rare cis women who do have protruding adam's apples, just as there are cis women who are over 5'11".
Anyway, to me 5'9" is definitely not super tall by cis standards - I should get my cis friend to talk to you ;) haha
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Gertrude on January 03, 2016, 02:59:21 PM
Post by: Gertrude on January 03, 2016, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: Sydney_NYC on January 03, 2016, 02:45:01 PM
There are plenty of girls over 5'7". My mother is 5'11" and one of my step sisters is 5'10". So to assume an woman over 5'7" as trans is total BS. I'm 6'5¼" and my height has never outed me as being transgender. Cis-women all the time complement me on my height wishing they were as tall as me. Unless someone is looking for it (like this guy that is a ->-bleeped-<-), the last thing on anyones mind is someone being transgender. I haven't been mis-gendered by anyone who didn't know me before since May 2014. So height alone is not going to prevent you from passing. Remember it's a combination of looks (face), lack of facial hair, mannerisms, hair, voice, dress, etc that determines whether you are passing/blending or not. I don't consider height a factor on passing, but it is a factor on getting noticed. The taller you are more notice you are going to get and if you blending in those areas, you'll be getting noticed as a cis-woman, not as a trans woman.
You are fortunate, but also a lot further along. You give hope. Thank you.
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Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Stevi on January 03, 2016, 03:05:55 PM
Post by: Stevi on January 03, 2016, 03:05:55 PM
Don't let the height thing bother you. I am 5'11'' (used to be 6'0" back in the day). I am not much of a looker when out and about but I hold my head up and own it. What really bothers me about my height is the corresponding shoe size. Now that is the real bummer.
Stephanie
Stephanie
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Punzie on January 03, 2016, 06:51:48 PM
Post by: Punzie on January 03, 2016, 06:51:48 PM
Yeah, don't let your height get to you. I know a lot of girls who are barely 5' and they would kill to be taller. Most girls who even aspire to model are turned away for not being tall enough! There are its positives and negatives, but embracing the benefits of being tall is wonderful. I'm 5'8 and I love my long legs! If I was any shorter I'd feel disproportionate. As for that guy, to assume any girl that is over 5'7 to be trans is just ridiculous. There are loads of cis girls that are way taller and many of them look incredibly feminine ( 5'10 Vlada Roslyakova is a great example). If you think you are being stared at for just being tall, its most likely not the case unless you're in a huge crowd of people who are in the lower 5' range. Most people wont give it a second thought unless you have other features about you that stand out.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Gertrude on January 03, 2016, 07:28:25 PM
Post by: Gertrude on January 03, 2016, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Punzie on January 03, 2016, 06:51:48 PM
Yeah, don't let your height get to you. I know a lot of girls who are barely 5' and they would kill to be taller. Most girls who even aspire to model are turned away for not being tall enough! There are its positives and negatives, but embracing the benefits of being tall is wonderful. I'm 5'8 and I love my long legs! If I was any shorter I'd feel disproportionate. As for that guy, to assume any girl that is over 5'7 to be trans is just ridiculous. There are loads of cis girls that are way taller and many of them look incredibly feminine ( 5'10 Vlada Roslyakova is a great example). If you think you are being stared at for just being tall, its most likely not the case unless you're in a huge crowd of people who are in the lower 5' range. Most people wont give it a second thought unless you have other features about you that stand out.
On my dads side, the women were 4'11 and my grandfather was 5'1. They would tell me they wished I could loan them a few inches. My dad was 5'9 and he was the tallest in his family. His brothers were 5'4 and 5'5.
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Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Wednesday on January 03, 2016, 08:28:39 PM
Post by: Wednesday on January 03, 2016, 08:28:39 PM
As everyone said height is no issue when it comes to passability. There are plenty of girls above 5'7''. I'm 5'7'' and I would die for 3 or maybe 4 inches more.
Nowadays, specially for younger generations, average woman height is close to 5'7''. To me it's clear that boy was short and got an issue with tall women. Also to be honest he looks like a complete jerk, not worth a second of your time.
Nowadays, specially for younger generations, average woman height is close to 5'7''. To me it's clear that boy was short and got an issue with tall women. Also to be honest he looks like a complete jerk, not worth a second of your time.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 03, 2016, 08:33:49 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 03, 2016, 08:33:49 PM
Hey All
The younger generation sleeps half the day that is why they grow tall. Gravity does't stop them. The older generation we never slept in like they do.
Lyndsey
The younger generation sleeps half the day that is why they grow tall. Gravity does't stop them. The older generation we never slept in like they do.
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Sydney_NYC on January 03, 2016, 09:42:29 PM
Post by: Sydney_NYC on January 03, 2016, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: Lyndsey on January 03, 2016, 08:33:49 PM
Hey All
The younger generation sleeps half the day that is why they grow tall. Gravity does't stop them. The older generation we never slept in like they do.
Lyndsey
Well that explains why I'm so tall. I've always slept a lot. All this time I thought it was from starting to drink coffee when I was 13, LOL
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 03, 2016, 09:45:40 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 03, 2016, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: Sydney_NYC on January 03, 2016, 09:42:29 PM
Well that explains why I'm so tall. I've always slept a lot. All this time I thought it was from starting to drink coffee when I was 13, LOL
Hi Sydney
OMG Your too funny! LOL!!
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lady_Oracle on January 03, 2016, 09:52:46 PM
Post by: Lady_Oracle on January 03, 2016, 09:52:46 PM
I'm not ever clocked for my height like its a non issue cause of my body type. People give compliments sometimes but it's not ever anything negative. I'm 5'9-5'10
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: rosetyler on January 03, 2016, 09:58:48 PM
Post by: rosetyler on January 03, 2016, 09:58:48 PM
Quoteonce I confessed how tall I am, he stated that he just sort of assumes that girls that are 5 ft 7+ are transsexual. He insisted that so many of the stares I mention getting must be grounded in people trying to figure out if I'm transsexual because of my height. It really hurt.
I stopped reading right there, and had to comment before going any further. I'm cis, and 5'11". My cisgender mom and 2 cisgender sisters are both taller than I am. That guy is....something else. If he had said that in person I would have laughed in his face. I have no more words, beyond don't let the dumbbutt haters get you down. Rock your height, chica!!
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 03, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 03, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: rosetyler on January 03, 2016, 09:58:48 PM
I stopped reading right there, and had to comment before going any further. I'm cis, and 5'11". My cisgender mom and 2 cisgender sisters are both taller than I am. That guy is....something else. If he had said that in person I would have laughed in his face. I have no more words, beyond don't let the dumbbutt haters get you down. Rock your height, chica!!
Hi Rose
I fully agree with you what a butt head that guy is.
Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: in.Chains on January 04, 2016, 08:43:50 AM
Post by: in.Chains on January 04, 2016, 08:43:50 AM
The person you're talking to is just full of it. I'm 5' 8.5" myself and I see plenty of women my height or taller on a daily basis. Hell, of my two younger sisters, one is the same height as me, and the other is taller.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Gertrude on January 04, 2016, 09:08:15 AM
Post by: Gertrude on January 04, 2016, 09:08:15 AM
Quote from: Sydney_NYC on January 03, 2016, 09:42:29 PM
Well that explains why I'm so tall. I've always slept a lot. All this time I thought it was from starting to drink coffee when I was 13, LOL
We had a neighbor that worked at a dairy that kept us in milk during growth spurt. I was drinking 1-2 quarts a day. I grew 5" in two months between 9th and 10th grade.
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Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: AmyC on January 04, 2016, 12:00:21 PM
Post by: AmyC on January 04, 2016, 12:00:21 PM
It's all relative really. I'm 5'8" and regularly wear heels and my height is a non issue but prior to starting transition I was considered short for a guy in my family (average is 6'2"-6'3"). I have a cis female cousin who is 6'1" and is only 15! So she's probably got some growing still to do.
It's easier said than done but I wouldn't let it bother you too much, as other people have said it's a combination of many different things that people use as markers to clock us, I know for me it's my voice that let's me down the most. This guy's just a bit if a looser tbh!
It's easier said than done but I wouldn't let it bother you too much, as other people have said it's a combination of many different things that people use as markers to clock us, I know for me it's my voice that let's me down the most. This guy's just a bit if a looser tbh!
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Lyndsey on January 04, 2016, 12:05:27 PM
Post by: Lyndsey on January 04, 2016, 12:05:27 PM
Hey Girls
Lets think for a minute, I'm on the very short side of things. Even when I wear 4" heels Im only 5'-7" so remember I will always look up to you Girls. :angel:
Hug's Lyndsey
Lets think for a minute, I'm on the very short side of things. Even when I wear 4" heels Im only 5'-7" so remember I will always look up to you Girls. :angel:
Hug's Lyndsey
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: michelle666 on January 04, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
Post by: michelle666 on January 04, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
My wife is 5' 10.5" and my ex is 5' 9.5" and both are CIS.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Jessie Ann on January 04, 2016, 06:18:57 PM
Post by: Jessie Ann on January 04, 2016, 06:18:57 PM
Please....I have two daughters who are 5' 11" and I am now about 6' 1" and my girls look very much like me. I really love it when we go out together because everyone thinks I'm their mother.
I am a professional (attorney) and I wear heals almost every day. They range in size from 1" to 4". The thing i love about them is that they actually make my feet look smaller so I will gladly take the extra height in exchange for the smaller foot look.
I am in LA and I see all kinds of tall women out here. I could stand to lose an inch or two but all in all I'm pretty happy with my height.
I am a professional (attorney) and I wear heals almost every day. They range in size from 1" to 4". The thing i love about them is that they actually make my feet look smaller so I will gladly take the extra height in exchange for the smaller foot look.
I am in LA and I see all kinds of tall women out here. I could stand to lose an inch or two but all in all I'm pretty happy with my height.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Jill F on January 04, 2016, 06:28:27 PM
Post by: Jill F on January 04, 2016, 06:28:27 PM
I'm still around 6'2" and built like a brick sh*thouse. Who cares?
Not me. That's all that matters.
Not me. That's all that matters.
Title: Re: Rationalizing About Height
Post by: Michelle G on January 05, 2016, 01:16:06 AM
Post by: Michelle G on January 05, 2016, 01:16:06 AM
I'm 6', my spouse is 5'11 and so is my sister, and oddly a lot of my female friends are tall. I admit that my sister got teased about being tall when we were younger but of course in boy mode I never did at all, not fair at all as I see it now, my spouse though says that being tall gives her power! She is quite an inspiration for me :)