Susan's Place Transgender Resources

Hey guys, girls, whatevers :P

This is a place for all of you young ones.  This is where I want all of us 'kids' that aren't quite into our mid twenties to come to home to.

This world is a big world for younglings.  It's even bigger when you feel alone.  It's even bigger when you don't have people to identify with, to support you with similiar experiences.
Being a transsexual at such an early age is different now than it was back then.  It's probably a lot easier in a lot of ways and harder in a few ways as well.  More of us are coming out in school, college, on the job and even sooner than that.  It's a completely different world coming out at a tender age than well into adulthood.  We're not even fully grown up yet, and it's like we feel the need to start all over again, but we don't have the life experience to back us up.  All we have is knowledge of what we want, backbone, and courage.
So let it out right here, your journeys and your hopes, why you're glad you're doing it now rather than later.

I want us to create a community right here.  In fact, I'm hoping that this can be the start of another section all together.

To you older folks, I know you've had hard time and I'm not making light of it.  In fact, so many of you are quite an inspiration on here.  If you want to, why don't we start a forum adoption?:-p  What I mean by that is, an older, more experienced one takes one of us 'fresher' ones under his/her wing.

Not me though.  I've been claimed by cindybc already, she's my mommy:)  And Kate's my aunt, or whatever she wants to be.

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For all the youth who begin participating in this thread, we'll start a list:-)
The list will give your name, age, history and stage of transition.  Please post that if you'd like to be on it.

1. Kalt, 18 Pre-Therapy.  Former HRT and RLT.
2. Jacob, 18 pre-everything.
3. Ted (Teddy), 19 pre-everything.
4. Kat, 18 HRT & Real Life Test.
5. Ketti, 21, HRT & Hair Removal.
6. Lane,19,HRT, top surgery, legally male.  (DAYUMN)
7. Sarah, 19, full time on HRT, surgery in may.  Go girl.
8. Lory, 20, pre-therapy.
9. Raven, 19, pre-operation, 3 years HRT.
10: Monica, 20, pre-therapy.  we're all hoping you get it soon^_^

Kalt:

You can count me in as an "older".  I am willing to help anyone looking for a mentor.  Feel free to drop me a line or reply in the tread.

-Sandy

Ah yes, feeling this way at a young age.. I know I'm not alone but there is a minority of us.

QuoteSo let it out right here, your journeys and your hopes, why you're glad you're doing it now rather than later

Put it simply, my current journey so far has been my mishaps with make-up, and cross dressing when I was younger, like a little kid younger. Then the 'challenge' of hiding it from everyone, which I managed to do until I came clean. My hopes? I'm hoping within the next year I'm at least on HRS, I mean at my age and family traits I think I actually have a chance at not going through so much financial loss if I can do something about it now...

As to the olders, I'm amazed at what I read so far on your journeys, in fact to some of you respected members of the community, I'm speechless as to what you went through.

As for me, I have no mentor or forum-adoptive parents  :angel:

Quote from: Kassandra on October 03, 2007, 02:48:08 PM
Kalt:

You can count me in as an "older".  I am willing to help anyone looking for a mentor.  Feel free to drop me a line or reply in the tread.

-Sandy

Will do.
If you see anyone you connect with, don't hesitate to follow your intuition.
Why don't you share a bit about what it was life for you, growing up as a transsexual?

Posted on: October 03, 2007, 06:18:22 PM

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QuoteI know I'm not alone but there is a minority of us.

Pssht, not really.
I bet there's more transsexuals in America than there are pure blooded native Americans:-p

QuotePut it simply, my current journey so far has been my mishaps with make-up, and cross dressing when I was younger, like a little kid younger.

What do you mean by, "mishaps?"  Do you mean just fooling around and being a fool?
Or do you mean, full drag and face painted, parents walk in and, "OH SH**" mishap?

QuoteThen the 'challenge' of hiding it from everyone, which I managed to do until I came clean.

In this day and age, I don't see any reason to hide it.  Unless yuo're in the military, in a biased boarding school, or something else, people are open enough that yuo would be better off with a few accepting friends than a lot of unknowing friends.
Besides, people will pick up on it anyways.  If I'm going to have a hate crime against me, I'd rather it be for me being transsexual than being some satan worshipping ->-bleeped-<-, ya know?  Beat me up for the right reason!

QuoteMy hopes? I'm hoping within the next year I'm at least on HRS

Anything is possible.  Do you have a job?  Will your insurance cover the therapy and such?  What's your backup plan in case your rents kick you out?  Do you have any idea of a proper diet to follow while on HRT?  And considering the dangers of HRT, are you prepared to quit smoking and engage in some sort of cardiovascular activity each day?  Like biking to school/work or running every morning?  Are you ready for a balanced schedule of sleep instead of staying up till whenever you want to?
Sorry for all the questions.  You need to know the answer to each and every single one of those.  It's complicated, I know, that's why we're here for you, and you're here for us.

QuoteI mean at my age and family traits I think I actually have a chance at not going through so much financial loss if I can do something about it now...

What's that mean?
Finances have something to do with family traits?O_O
Hehehe.

QuoteAs to the olders, I'm amazed at what I read so far on your journeys, in fact to some of you respected members of the community, I'm speechless as to what you went through.

Yeah.
It must've been like Vietnam back then.
We should come up with the National Transsexual Medal of Honor, bestowed by Lady Shabli and Susan:-)

QuoteAs for me, I have no mentor or forum-adoptive parents  :angel:

Well, I here Kate is charging $10,000 a year to be a forum-mother.   8)

I'm younger....I started transitioning early and I'm glad I did.

I'm jobless still .. I live with my parents, my parents are offering to pay for the therapy and such.. I still can't even drive yet, so a job is out of the question.

As for mishaps.. no, I made a mess of my face pretty much.. like a CLOWN.. I think? My parents never caught me once, they suspected but never caught.

I hid it because I was afraid, due to growing up and my sisters would watch that Jerry Springer crap [That made fun of TS] when I was younger.

QuoteAnything is possible.  Do you have a job?  Will your insurance cover the therapy and such?  What's your backup plan in case your rents kick you out?  Do you have any idea of a proper diet to follow while on HRT?  And considering the dangers of HRT, are you prepared to quit smoking and engage in some sort of cardiovascular activity each day?  Like biking to school/work or running every morning?  Are you ready for a balanced schedule of sleep instead of staying up till whenever you want to?

*reads* .. Alright, Answer to job.. no, I'll be willing to get one soon though.. I have no insurance.. which isn't good. Backup plan, Live on the streets, try and get a job, learn to survive.. and eventually get enough money to have my own apartment [..I'd hope?]. Smoking? No problem I don't even smoke, same for drinking. .. Cardiovascular activity each day, I already do.. Run around frequently. Balanced schedule of sleep, for any means.. yes.

...That's the downfall to having no friends and all, if I get kicked out.. it's straight to the streets.

Michelle.

Quote from: kalt on October 03, 2007, 05:26:15 PM
Will do.
If you see anyone you connect with, don't hesitate to follow your intuition.
Why don't you share a bit about what it was life for you, growing up as a transsexual?

QuoteAs to the olders, I'm amazed at what I read so far on your journeys, in fact to some of you respected members of the community, I'm speechless as to what you went through.

Yeah.
It must've been like Vietnam back then.
We should come up with the National Transsexual Medal of Honor, bestowed by Lady Shabli and Susan:-)

QuoteAs for me, I have no mentor or forum-adoptive parents  :angel:

Well, I here Kate is charging $10,000 a year to be a forum-mother.   8)

Much of my life is in my blog, Sandy's Transition.  Growing up I always knew something was wrong.  Really wrong.  Like having your shoes on the wrong feet, but all over.

I didn't have feelings at that time, about 8 years old, that I had the wrong gender, but I never felt comfortable in my skin.

As I grew older I read about transsexuals like Christine Jorgensen and was fascinated.  I could not get them out of my mind.  I kept wondering what it would be like to become a woman, to live as a female.

I felt I never could, though.  All the stories I read always showed the transsexual giving up everything in their life, being stripped of their livelihood and having to become strippers or whores in order to live.

For most of my life, I felt I was just a crossdresser.  But I never really got a sexual thrill about dressing up.  Early on there was an erotic thrill of doing something naughty, but after a bit I would just feel "normal".

I could never speak of this to anyone.  I thought I was some sort of pervert.  My parents were uneducated and had very straight beliefs about sexuality.  In other words anything that wasn't strictly heterosexual was queer and wrong, and sinful.

I could not speak of my feelings to my friends since they were very heterosexual and felt perverts who dressed up in womans clothing were ->-bleeped-<-ots.

Because of this I internalized my feelings.  I learned how to act like a man.  It was a difficult learning process for me.  In school, I would be ostracized because I had natural feminine mannerism and I had to actively learn to suppress them.  I had to think about every gesture I made, every word I spoke so that it wasn't "queer".

I was called queer quite a bit.  I could never figure out why.  I liked girls, I still do.  I never had many friends as a result.

As I grew older I kept my true feelings hidden from everyone.  Including myself.  I never admitted to myself that I was a transsexual.  I called myself a crossdresser.  I felt it was just a hobby.  A bit outrageous but nothing to worry about.  I could never come out to myself.  All the nightmare stories of transsexuals that had lost everything haunted me.  I was not a transsexual, no way!

Because of this dichotomy between my feelings and my beliefs, I suffered from very severe depressive moods.  I would have these feelings of normalcy when I felt feminine or if I called myself a girl.  But then I would hate myself for those feelings because they weren't "manly".  I never knew what being manly was all about, but I knew I was wrong to have those feelings of femininity.  This would lead me down the rabbit hole of depression.

As a result of this I never appreciated anything I would do.  I loathed myself and so anything I did was worthless.  I never had any pride in myself or any self esteem.  Sure, I could look and act happy, but that was all a mask.  A character I created to deal with the world that acted the way society expected him to act.

As a result, I actually did become an actor on stage.  I was very effective at it on stage.  I knew how to act because I had  been doing it all of my life.  It was fun in one respect, it took all my powers of concentration to act, remember the lines, move on stage.  During those times I had to forget who I was on the inside, I had no time to think about anything except my character on stage.  Also my fellow actors were fun to be with and very witty and smart.  A joy to be around.  They never knew that I never came off stage.  I just exchanged one character for another.

I kept this facade up through two marriages.  I did tell my wives about my little hobby.  I never kept those kind of secrets from them.  But I told them the same lie I was telling myself.  I was just a crossdresser.  I never wanted to take it any farther than that.  Just an outrageous, occasional hobby.

During the intervening decades, my depressive cycles came more frequently and became deeper and more bleak.  Eventually my thoughts of suicide became very realistic and I eventually started playing suicide games with myself.  I would attempt suicide but then stop.  Then call myself a coward because I didn't have the courage to actually kill myself.

At my second wifes encouragement (now my stbew) I was asked to seek therapy.  I said I would also seek therapy for my gender problems.  My wife just wanted to not come home and find me hanging in the cellar.  I agreed.

Therapy for my depression went hand in hand with my feelings of gender identity.  It brought in focus for me what my real problems were.  I still couldn't admit that I was a transsexual though.

Then something earth shattering happened to me.  Probably like many of you, I had taken many of those online gender identity tests.  I discounted all of them though because to me, there was always an obvious transsexual answer to the question.  So I felt these tests were biased.  It didn't matter that I could never get any of these tests to even score me even marginally masculine.

Then I found one test that was heuristic in nature.  Basically it had no pre-conceived idea of who was male or who was female.  I had random questions like "If you ship a package overseas would you use a plane or a ship?".  At the end of the quiz it would make a prediction of gender.  The person being tested would then respond whether or not the prediction was true.  Over a period of time, the test became a fairly accurate predictor of gender.

I took the test several times and was always read as female.  I sat back after that and said to myself: "But what if you *are* a transsexual?"

At that moment the world changed.  Never before had any answer felt so right.  All of a sudden the world became a place of beauty and color.  I finally came out to myself.  I came out of denial.  For the first time in my life I finally knew who I was.  I was a woman.

From there the therapy became much easier, and following that was HRT then FFS and transition to 24/7.  The dissolution of my marriage also occurred.  Very few relationships can survive a gender transition.  Most spouses never expected to become homosexual to the person they married.  Most women married men and had no intension of becoming a lesbian when her "man" becomes a woman.  I can understand that completely.  In a very great respect I lied to my wife and myself.  The marriage was founded on a lie that I maintained.  When I stopped living the lie, the marriage collapsed.  In that respect I feel I was a heel, a cheat.  I was not honest to myself or my wife.  And that devastated her.  If I have any real regrets about transitioning, it was that.  I am sorry for that.  And if there was a way to make that better I would do that.  No one deserves to be treated like that.

To you youngers here, I hope your transition is easier.  There is the great equalizer that I never had growing up, the Internet.  If I had someone to talk to when I was younger, online or in person, I may never have had those feelings of guilt and self loathing.  I may have changed much earlier.  Though in the end I really appreciate where I am right now and if I had done it earlier in my life I may have not really appreciated it.  I certainly would not have had two wonderful daughters and a granddaughter who love me unconditionally and accept me completely.

If someone want me for their mentor drop me a line.  I don't know about being a mommy though.  My kittens are quite a handful and take all the mommying I can give them.

That, in a nutshell, is who I am.

Who are you?

-Sandy (I talk a lot too)

Quote from: zombiesarepeaceful on October 03, 2007, 05:56:13 PM
I'm younger....I started transitioning early and I'm glad I did.

OOH GOODIE!

Story.

You'll tell us a story about it all... right? :(

Posted on: October 03, 2007, 10:49:56 PM

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Quote from: MichelleA on October 03, 2007, 06:15:14 PM
I'm jobless still .. I live with my parents, my parents are offering to pay for the therapy and such.. I still can't even drive yet, so a job is out of the question.

As for mishaps.. no, I made a mess of my face pretty much.. like a CLOWN.. I think? My parents never caught me once, they suspected but never caught.

I hid it because I was afraid, due to growing up and my sisters would watch that Jerry Springer crap [That made fun of TS] when I was younger.

QuoteAnything is possible.  Do you have a job?  Will your insurance cover the therapy and such?  What's your backup plan in case your rents kick you out?  Do you have any idea of a proper diet to follow while on HRT?  And considering the dangers of HRT, are you prepared to quit smoking and engage in some sort of cardiovascular activity each day?  Like biking to school/work or running every morning?  Are you ready for a balanced schedule of sleep instead of staying up till whenever you want to?

*reads* .. Alright, Answer to job.. no, I'll be willing to get one soon though.. I have no insurance.. which isn't good. Backup plan, Live on the streets, try and get a job, learn to survive.. and eventually get enough money to have my own apartment [..I'd hope?]. Smoking? No problem I don't even smoke, same for drinking. .. Cardiovascular activity each day, I already do.. Run around frequently. Balanced schedule of sleep, for any means.. yes.

...That's the downfall to having no friends and all, if I get kicked out.. it's straight to the streets.

Michelle.

Get on myspace.  Make some friends.
I've been on the streets.  I was only in a small town without many drug dealers and what not.  I wanted to die.  And, I'm a tough dude.  Atleast get a car and a membership to a cheap gym with showers.  That means you can sleep in the car and shower.

Quote from: zombiesarepeaceful on October 03, 2007, 05:56:13 PM
I'm younger....I started transitioning early and I'm glad I did.

How lucky, my parents were in denial for awhile.  ::)

Please tell us your story.  ;)

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..Myspace? .. Ugh I'm dead against EVER getting a myspace. I'm better off a loner right now anyways, I can barely socialize.

Michelle

I'm 19 (20 in feb). I've progressed quite quickly with my transition- binding "officially" (meaning with an actual binder as opposed to sports bra) for about 2.5 years before top surgery (in august of this year), I started T on the 30th of may of this year. I came out to my parents a few months before that, and they've been totally awesome. I now live as a stealth male. I'm in college (almost done with a BA in computer science), and work at starbucks.

Quote from: MichelleA on October 03, 2007, 09:53:13 PM

..Myspace? .. Ugh I'm dead against EVER getting a myspace. I'm better off a loner right now anyways, I can barely socialize.

People are always scared to do what they're bad at and only want to do what they're good at.
Try egtting good at what you're bad at.
It feels good.

Posted on: October 04, 2007, 07:30:28 PM

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Quote from: Lane on October 04, 2007, 03:31:23 PM
I'm 19 (20 in feb). I've progressed quite quickly with my transition- binding "officially" (meaning with an actual binder as opposed to sports bra) for about 2.5 years before top surgery (in august of this year), I started T on the 30th of may of this year. I came out to my parents a few months before that, and they've been totally awesome. I now live as a stealth male. I'm in college (almost done with a BA in computer science), and work at starbucks.

Looking GREAT mate.
I bet by the time you're done you will be a....

SUPER SAIYAN

Don't Kamehamaya blast me:-(

Jacob, 18. pre-everything.

I've talked to my mom about it, not in depth but she knows. and she's a very open-minded person, but she's been kindof reluctant to accept it. I think it's (partly anyway) because she's a christian, and thinks it's against God. but in the past few months I've been intensely interested in religion, and I've come to a lot of realizations, and I've been talking to her about all of it, which I think has opened her mind a lot more.

my 14 year old sister is sharp, she caught on quick. she just suspected something for awhile but I pretty much told her the other night. I was surprised, she didn't seem to think anything of it, like it was nothing.

my 11 year old brother and step-dad are clueless, and I haven't even seen my real dad in like a year.

I'm lucky to have one friend who completely accepts me and loves me for who I am, refers to me with my new name, and we even have something of a relationship. I don't know what I would do without him.

I didn't mean for this post to be long, I just haven't really thought about "coming out" completely until...just now actually. (I tend to do that, some major things in my life will not feel real for a long time and then it will suddenly hit me one day.) I'm afriad of what my family will think. there's my dad, my grandparents who love me to death, aunts, uncles, cousins...and it doesn't help that I'm gay too. so I have to come out twice. and I live in the middle of the bible belt, my whole family is heavily conservative/christian. this is unreal.

Young'n Kat here (18).  You can find most of my story in my blog on here (I'm not murdering people in their sleep).  Things worked at amazing for me. Parents are cool, friends were awesome, school changed things over without much hassle.  My high school even made a new diploma for me and changed my gender in the records along with the new name.

I've been full time since May, and I went on hormones in June I think... or July, I always mix those two up for some reason. 

Went from an antisocial quiet type to a hyper outgoing personality over a summer  :P  Have had a couple guys try to go out with me and I started dating some, but I don't think I'm ready for a real relationship, so I might break it off with the guy I'm currently dating.  :-\

Things have improved for me by far since going full time.  Although every now and them I am somewhat painfully reminded of my past for whatever reason.

Quote from: Kat on October 04, 2007, 10:27:19 PM
Young'n Kat here (18).  You can find most of my story in my blog on here (I'm not murdering people in their sleep).  Things worked at amazing for me. Parents are cool, friends were awesome, school changed things over without much hassle.  My high school even made a new diploma for me and changed my gender in the records along with the new name.

I've been full time since May, and I went on hormones in June I think... or July, I always mix those two up for some reason. 

Went from an antisocial quiet type to a hyper outgoing personality over a summer  :P  Have had a couple guys try to go out with me and I started dating some, but I don't think I'm ready for a real relationship, so I might break it off with the guy I'm currently dating.  :-\

Things have improved for me by far since going full time.  Although every now and them I am somewhat painfully reminded of my past for whatever reason.

Stop making us all so envious Kat!

Okay, well, just kidding hehe.  But I am very amazed at the process you went through hehe and how fast you have changed it looks like.  I'm struggling with that part for the time being, but things are getting better!  People tell me I could pass now if I WANTED, but I have to finish my Jr. College first.  (3 more months come on!!! :D)

EDIT:  And I promised I'd give my parents time to adjust to my new upcoming life (sorta) when it does happen.  They are accepting, but they want me to change *gradually* into my new self.  So I'm going to try to work with them as much as I can since they pretty much have paid for 80% of my therapy and doctor stuff so far.

Quote from: kalt on October 04, 2007, 06:31:36 PM

Looking GREAT mate.
I bet by the time you're done you will be a....

SUPER SAIYAN

Don't Kamehamaya blast me:-(

Haha thanks...it's a really old picture, my av. Like, last xmas, pre-T. I don't have any recent face pics of myself post-T.

Ted (Teddy), 19. Pre-T, but working towards it. I've seen the director of the gender clinic here, their endocrinologist, and I'm seeing a second psychiatrist next week. Parents are being very odd about it, they seem to accept my feelings but believe I don't have the 'life experience' to make such a 'huge decision' right now. My dad has suggested I see a counselor who is not involved in 'gender stuff' as he puts it. I really do not see what this will achieve but I figure I'll go along to humour him. I'm hoping like anything that they see it my way and understand that I need to do this. That's my story in a nutshell.

As for the mentor thing, it'd be great to have some older and more experienced to talk to, learn from and be supportive I guess.

Quote from: rottingteeth on October 04, 2007, 07:30:24 PM
this is unreal.

It's very real Jacob, and I'm sure you are happy it's real too.
SMILE!

Posted on: October 05, 2007, 09:53:54 AM

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Quote from: Kat on October 04, 2007, 10:27:19 PM
Young'n Kat here (18).  You can find most of my story in my blog on here (I'm not murdering people in their sleep).  Things worked at amazing for me. Parents are cool, friends were awesome, school changed things over without much hassle.  My high school even made a new diploma for me and changed my gender in the records along with the new name.

I've been full time since May, and I went on hormones in June I think... or July, I always mix those two up for some reason. 

Went from an antisocial quiet type to a hyper outgoing personality over a summer  :P  Have had a couple guys try to go out with me and I started dating some, but I don't think I'm ready for a real relationship, so I might break it off with the guy I'm currently dating.  :-\

Things have improved for me by far since going full time.  Although every now and them I am somewhat painfully reminded of my past for whatever reason.

YOU LUCKY B...

unny!
-_-

Hehehe.
So glad things are going great for you!
Don't break too many hearts, or they might start a riot!

Posted on: October 05, 2007, 09:57:24 AM

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Quote from: redfish on October 05, 2007, 05:59:57 AM
My name is redfish and this thread is relevant to my interests.

Dear Redfish,
You talk like a f**king robot.
Hehe.
Whoever thought the new Terminator was a fish?
:D

Hi, you all make me feel so old! I can feel the time just swooshing away from me... I'm 21 in a week, so that make me, an old young one? ???
I'm on HRT and electrolysis. I'd guess i might be full time by some very kind definition, but i'm mostly hiding at home when i don't have to go for school. Especially the electrolysis makes me not want to show up in public. In short i am a patetic creature without a life withering away in bed listening to gloomy music. :)

Quote from: Ron on October 05, 2007, 06:51:13 AM
Ted (Teddy), 19. Pre-T, but working towards it. I've seen the director of the gender clinic here, their endocrinologist, and I'm seeing a second psychiatrist next week. Parents are being very odd about it, they seem to accept my feelings but believe I don't have the 'life experience' to make such a 'huge decision' right now. My dad has suggested I see a counselor who is not involved in 'gender stuff' as he puts it. I really do not see what this will achieve but I figure I'll go along to humour him. I'm hoping like anything that they see it my way and understand that I need to do this. That's my story in a nutshell.

As for the mentor thing, it'd be great to have some older and more experienced to talk to, learn from and be supportive I guess.

Ted:

My experiences as a transwoman may not be very applicable to you, but I am willing to discuss anything.  I used to be male so in that respect I may have some experiences that might be helpful.

As for taking it slow.  That is alway a good way to go.  Remember this is a one way ticket.  There are some irreversable changes that will occur to trans people (regardless of their "target" gender).  Never having children is the most obvious, of course.  Be sure this is the path you need to take, there is no going back.

Seeing a non-gender councellor I personally am not so sure of, though if it keeps peace then there really isn't any harm.  Perhaps you could get your parents to go to see the gender councellor as well.  Education is very important in all of this.  And educating your parents could be very beneficial to your continued progress.

Also refer them here.  There is some very good information here at Susan's for not only trans people but people who are trying to understand trans people in their lives.  Also there are some very good books that help the parents and others of trans people understand.

Being trans isn't something you catch.  It is something you are.  And have been from birth.  It's nobody's fault.  We are just this way.  But we are the ones who choose if or when to come out and live our lives in truth.

Best of luck, Ted!

-Sandy

Quote from: ketti on October 05, 2007, 09:53:05 AM
Hi, you all make me feel so old! I can feel the time just swooshing away from me... I'm 21 in a week, so that make me, an old young one? ???
I'm on HRT and electrolysis. I'd guess i might be full time by some very kind definition, but i'm mostly hiding at home when i don't have to go for school. Especially the electrolysis makes me not want to show up in public. In short i am a patetic creature without a life withering away in bed listening to gloomy music. :)

Pssht.
Go running.
Or atleast get a jumprope and have it out in your back yard:-)
Wear a face veil and maybe some rich guys from Kuwait will hit on you;)
Granny.
-runs and hides-

Haha, i like the veil idea, i should try it. :)

Even though im not really physicaly active, i don't think i have to worry. I don't have a car, so i walk a lot when i need to get to places. Also, my mom just got a little baby two weeks ago, and i found out that carrying around a baby is some pretty heavy exercise! My arms feel like jelly afterwards. o___o

Quote from: kalt on October 05, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
Granny.
-runs and hides-

Well, you'll be a granny soon enough too ^^

Quote from: ketti on October 05, 2007, 05:20:19 PM
Well, you'll be a granny soon enough too ^^

No you didn't.
You're SO in for it.
Just you wait.
-glares-

Granny my butt, I am the essence of youthful exhuberation and I am here to youngafy you. Beware.

Quote from: Kiera on October 05, 2007, 05:39:07 PM

Quote from: kalt on October 03, 2007, 02:00:49 PMTo you older folks, I know you've had hard time and I'm not making light of it.  In fact, so many of you are quite an inspiration on here.  If you want to, why don't we start a forum adoption?:-p  What I mean by that is, an older, more experienced one takes one of us 'fresher' ones under his/her wing.

Hey Kalt, thanks for the vote of confidence but I have two kids already and cannot really afford the time or money to adopt any more! LOL If this forum had been here 25 years ago I cannot honestly say what I would have decided or done with an entire life of experiences still ahead of me but I do know that when you are young there is always going to be time, there is certainly no rush to jump into things and as my life now unravels even this late in the game I certainly do not have any real regrets.

I suppose I have always been a very natural progression, mainstream kinda girl which means what . . .

Like a vintage wine surely I must be slow as 'ell? ;)

Love,  :icon_bunch:

No love for you-_-
Cuz you won't e-adopt anyone-_-

Quote from: Kiera on October 05, 2007, 06:16:00 PM

Quote from: kalt on October 05, 2007, 05:57:27 PMNo love for you-_-
Cuz you won't e-adopt anyone-_-

LOL! Ok, alright already! Tell ya what, get your homework & tub done first and then we'll talk about it!

:icon_bunch:

Double standards aren't good for children:-(

Saying you'll luffles us only if we do homework is a sure recipe for us kids to go out and start cybering anyone and playing games and otherwise becoming regualr internet rebels.

Quote from: Kat on October 04, 2007, 10:27:19 PM
Young'n Kat here (18).  You can find most of my story in my blog on here (I'm not murdering people in their sleep).  Things worked at amazing for me. Parents are cool, friends were awesome, school changed things over without much hassle.  My high school even made a new diploma for me and changed my gender in the records along with the new name.

I've been full time since May, and I went on hormones in June I think... or July, I always mix those two up for some reason. 

Went from an antisocial quiet type to a hyper outgoing personality over a summer  :P  Have had a couple guys try to go out with me and I started dating some, but I don't think I'm ready for a real relationship, so I might break it off with the guy I'm currently dating.  :-\

Things have improved for me by far since going full time.  Although every now and them I am somewhat painfully reminded of my past for whatever reason.

Kat:

I read you blog.  Damn you have it together, girl!  I was going to offer to be your mentor, but after I read you blog and saw your pictures, I'm wondering if you'll be MINE!

I've been in the computer industry for over twenty five years, so hearing what you're getting into at Purdue is absolutely fabulous!  I'm really jealous that you are on the robotics team!  I would have loved to have that experience when I was younger, or even now!

And to start networking with the Woman's network is really cool.

And it sounds like your parents are really supportive.  You have no idea how happy that makes me!  Having the support and love of your family is the key to a good transition.

Like I said you really have it together!

-Sandy

Oh man, I am definatly the youngest here. Greg. Wow.


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Quote from: greg-unknown on October 05, 2007, 07:00:48 PM
Oh man, I am definatly the youngest here. Greg.  Wow.

Yikes.
It says you're female.
Is, "Greg," your name of choice, or your birth name?


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Says "he's" male now. So I guess I'm not the youngest! *grins evilly at Greg, Just kidding~* I'm in those awkward happy goofy moods, so it might be better to ignore me. AS for Kat, you're 18 and you look amazing, wish my parents would of been that supportive for me when I first came out to them, but they're coming around so .. it's all alright.

Michelle

Quote from: kalt on October 05, 2007, 07:03:28 PM

Quote from: greg-unknown on October 05, 2007, 07:00:48 PM
Oh man, I am definatly the youngest here. Greg. Wow.

Is, "Greg," your name of choice, or your birth name?

Greg is what my name would've been if I had been born male. I can't think of anything I like better at the moment.

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I doubt that the notion of adopting someone to mentor or to make a protege will be nearly as effective as tossing questions out in this For The Youth thread and looking at the collective answers.  No one knows everything about all things and everyone has a piece of the puzzle for someone learning about their true selves and their new lives.

Kalt, you are a real pistolero, a lightning rod, someone who won't take "No!" for an answer unless it's the answer that *you* want to hear.  There are some people who have a reason for why every piece of advice and suggestion will not work and you aren't one of them.  Your suggestions to others in this thread make sense and at least deserve a serious look.

I believe that you might do well taking-on the mantle of "thread leader."

As for me, I will be here to help you and anyone else in the Youth thread.  Anyone can ask me whatever they will and I will answer as best I can, and if I don't know, I won't waste anyone's time with useless twaddle.

I am blessed in that at my age (I'm 56) I have seen some things through the eyes of both genders.

Having said that, I hope to hear from anyone who wants to chat with me, either in this thread or by personal e-mail.

Thanks for the ideas, Kalt.  You throw down a good challenge.

Wing Walker
Resident Resident

Posted on: October 07, 2007, 02:19:48 AM

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QuoteQuote from: kalt on October 05, 2007, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: greg-unknown on October 05, 2007, 07:00:48 PM
Oh man, I am definatly the youngest here. Greg. Wow.
Is, "Greg," your name of choice, or your birth name?

Greg is what my name would've been if I had been born male. I can't think of anything I like better at the moment.

Hello, Greg,

If you wish, you can talk with me.  It's been a long time since I was a teenager who was born *male* and wished so much that I had not.  I have a pretty good memory of my teen years and they seem to be the exact inverse of yours.  I don't work miracles but i am a good, patient listener

You can use whatever name you wish.  You know that you are free to change it later.

I am here for you and anyone else.

Wing Walker


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Hi Kalt, and thank you, <flicking long eyelashes, smiles and blushes at Kalt>.

QuoteMuch of my life is in my blog, Sandy's Transition.  Growing up I always knew something was wrong.  Really wrong.  Like having your shoes on the wrong feet, but all over.

I didn't have feelings at that time, about 8 years old, that I had the wrong gender, but I never felt comfortable in my skin.

As I grew older I read about transsexuals like Christine Jorgensen and was fascinated.  I could not get them out of my mind.  I kept wondering what it would be like to become a woman, to live as a female.

I felt I never could, though.  All the stories I read always showed the transsexual giving up everything in their life, being stripped of their livelihood and having to become strippers or whores in order to live.

For most of my life, I felt I was just a crossdresser.  But I never really got a sexual thrill about dressing up.  Early on there was an erotic thrill of doing something naughty, but after a bit I would just feel "normal".

I could never speak of this to anyone.  I thought I was some sort of pervert.  My parents were uneducated and had very straight beliefs about sexuality.  In other words anything that wasn't strictly heterosexual was queer and wrong, and sinful.

I could not speak of my feelings to my friends since they were very heterosexual and felt perverts who dressed up in womans clothing were ->-bleeped-<-ots.

Because of this I internalized my feelings.  I learned how to act like a man.  It was a difficult learning process for me.  In school, I would be ostracized because I had natural feminine mannerism and I had to actively learn to suppress them.  I had to think about every gesture I made, every word I spoke so that it wasn't "queer".

I was called queer quite a bit.  I could never figure out why.  I liked girls, I still do.  I never had many friends as a result.

As I grew older I kept my true feelings hidden from everyone.  Including myself.  I never admitted to myself that I was a transsexual.  I called myself a crossdresser.  I felt it was just a hobby.  A bit outrageous but nothing to worry about.  I could never come out to myself.  All the nightmare stories of transsexuals that had lost everything haunted me.  I was not a transsexual, no way!

Because of this dichotomy between my feelings and my beliefs, I suffered from very severe depressive moods.  I would have these feelings of normalcy when I felt feminine or if I called myself a girl.  But then I would hate myself for those feelings because they weren't "manly".  I never knew what being manly was all about, but I knew I was wrong to have those feelings of femininity.  This would lead me down the rabbit hole of depression.

As a result of this I never appreciated anything I would do.  I loathed myself and so anything I did was worthless.  I never had any pride in myself or any self esteem.  Sure, I could look and act happy, but that was all a mask.  A character I created to deal with the world that acted the way society expected him to act.

As a result, I actually did become an actor on stage.  I was very effective at it on stage.  I knew how to act because I had  been doing it all of my life.  It was fun in one respect, it took all my powers of concentration to act, remember the lines, move on stage.  During those times I had to forget who I was on the inside, I had no time to think about anything except my character on stage.  Also my fellow actors were fun to be with and very witty and smart.  A joy to be around.  They never knew that I never came off stage.  I just exchanged one character for another.

I kept this facade up through two marriages.  I did tell my wives about my little hobby.  I never kept those kind of secrets from them.  But I told them the same lie I was telling myself.  I was just a crossdresser.  I never wanted to take it any farther than that.  Just an outrageous, occasional hobby.

During the intervening decades, my depressive cycles came more frequently and became deeper and more bleak.  Eventually my thoughts of suicide became very realistic and I eventually started playing suicide games with myself.  I would attempt suicide but then stop.  Then call myself a coward because I didn't have the courage to actually kill myself.

At my second wifes encouragement (now my stbew) I was asked to seek therapy.  I said I would also seek therapy for my gender problems.  My wife just wanted to not come home and find me hanging in the cellar.  I agreed.

Therapy for my depression went hand in hand with my feelings of gender identity.  It brought in focus for me what my real problems were.  I still couldn't admit that I was a transsexual though.

Then something earth shattering happened to me.  Probably like many of you, I had taken many of those online gender identity tests.  I discounted all of them though because to me, there was always an obvious transsexual answer to the question.  So I felt these tests were biased.  It didn't matter that I could never get any of these tests to even score me even marginally masculine.

Then I found one test that was heuristic in nature.  Basically it had no pre-conceived idea of who was male or who was female.  I had random questions like "If you ship a package overseas would you use a plane or a ship?".  At the end of the quiz it would make a prediction of gender.  The person being tested would then respond whether or not the prediction was true.  Over a period of time, the test became a fairly accurate predictor of gender.

I took the test several times and was always read as female.  I sat back after that and said to myself: "But what if you *are* a transsexual?"

At that moment the world changed.  Never before had any answer felt so right.  All of a sudden the world became a place of beauty and color.  I finally came out to myself.  I came out of denial.  For the first time in my life I finally knew who I was.  I was a woman.

From there the therapy became much easier, and following that was HRT then FFS and transition to 24/7.  The dissolution of my marriage also occurred.  Very few relationships can survive a gender transition.  Most spouses never expected to become homosexual to the person they married.  Most women married men and had no intension of becoming a lesbian when her "man" becomes a woman.  I can understand that completely.  In a very great respect I lied to my wife and myself.  The marriage was founded on a lie that I maintained.  When I stopped living the lie, the marriage collapsed.  In that respect I feel I was a heel, a cheat.  I was not honest to myself or my wife.  And that devastated her.  If I have any real regrets about transitioning, it was that.  I am sorry for that.  And if there was a way to make that better I would do that.  No one deserves to be treated like that.

To you youngers here, I hope your transition is easier.  There is the great equalizer that I never had growing up, the Internet.  If I had someone to talk to when I was younger, online or in person, I may never have had those feelings of guilt and self loathing.  I may have changed much earlier.  Though in the end I really appreciate where I am right now and if I had done it earlier in my life I may have not really appreciated it.  I certainly would not have had two wonderful daughters and a granddaughter who love me unconditionally and accept me completely.

If someone want me for their mentor drop me a line.  I don't know about being a mommy though.  My kittens are quite a handful and take all the mommying I can give them.

That, in a nutshell, is who I am.

Who are you?

-Sandy (I talk a lot too)

I can reflect on many of your experiences you have shared with us here. Except for the ex stuff which I would rather not repeat unless it is necessary to do so.

Anyway, my way of coping was with my playing out fantasy from my desires to be a lady, I play acted it in the privacy of my home. One of my favorites was going out to a fancy dress ball with this elderly gentleman, debonair, handsome.   

I was sitting at a candle lit table, sipping on the exquisite champagne, *non alcoholic bubblies* Or I would dress up as a lady desert warrior, traveling across the dunes in *an old abandoned sandpit* in the woods behind where the apartment building I lived in, on top of the hill. 

Or I might stroll down to the beach where I would dance in the sand with reckless abandon, like some crazy teenage kid. The magic of the night air and the full silver moon above me just made it feel like the atmosphere around me was electrically charged with magic.

There was something about the night air that just simply made every thing feel magical. Alone? Nah, never. I might have been living alone but I had many imaginary friends. Can you imagine that? 55 years old playing imaginary games?

This was the beginning for me into transitioning to folks out there. Taking many trips out of town in the proper dress code for a lady. I would sojourn around other towns where they didn't know me, actually enjoying the attention I got from some folks. Well secretly between us I always wanted to get a picture of me in The National Enquirer. Then the time I went to a very large beach with thousands of people and picking out my spot on the beach, lying on the warm sand wearing a ladies' bathing suit and sun glasses. What did I think the sunglasses would hide?Goodness knows, maybe mentally it made me feel like I was hiding behind those dumb glasses.

From there on it was like my real life was coming out of the fantasy state and materialising  into the real world. Dang it, I don't know. Looking back to me it was just so much like a fantasy story coming true. My transitioning to me appeared to be as easy as falling off a log after that.

As a side benefit to all of my past imaginings, I recently found a friend who does elaborately costumed acting for recreation, fantasies and gaming.  I'm anxious to see if I can still do it as well as I had before.   

I just though it would be kind of a nice change in composing a positive experience while transitioning.  

Quote from: cindybc on October 07, 2007, 03:33:07 AM
I just though it would be kind of a nice change in composing a positive experience while transitioning.  

Cindy:

This list is supposed to be for the youth, so I won't hijack it by talking about my transition.  It is well documented in my blog "Sandy's Transition".  I was trying to relate what my experiences were growing up as a transsexual.  My transition was very pleasant also.

But it was great reading about your experience!  Thanks you.  I too had a very active imagination.  I think most people like us do.

-Sandy

Quote from: Wing Walker on October 07, 2007, 02:32:27 AM
No one knows everything about all things and everyone has a piece of the puzzle for someone learning about their true selves and their new lives.

It's the comfort of developing a personal relationship with an elderly individual who's been through much the same as you have or intend to that I want to be sought.  Not just every youth person to have a biological search engine for all matters trans related.

Posted on: October 07, 2007, 10:29:35 AM

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Quote from: cindybc on October 07, 2007, 03:33:07 AM
Hi Kalt, and thank you, <flicking long eyelashes, smiles and blushes at Kalt>.

MOMMY!!!
-pounces-

QuoteI
Anyway, my way of coping was with my playing out fantasy from my desires to be a lady, I play acted it in the privacy of my home. One of my favorites was going out to a fancy dress ball with this elderly gentleman, debonair, handsome.   

Why not a young gentlemen?
Jeez.
Atleast put your imagination to good use>.>

Quote
There was something about the night air that just simply made every thing feel magical. Alone? Nah, never. I might have been living alone but I had many imaginary friends. Can you imagine that? 55 years old playing imaginary games?

I'll have you know young lady, I still play games too.
I pretend I'm a hawt jedi knight with unlimited sex appeal from my amazing beyonce figure slaying droids, using a pcp pipe for my lightsaber:-)  It's good for the torso.

QuoteThis was the beginning for me into transitioning to folks out there. Taking many trips out of town in the proper dress code for a lady. I would sojourn around other towns where they didn't know me, actually enjoying the attention I got from some folks. Well secretly between us I always wanted to get a picture of me in The National Enquirer. Then the time I went to a very large beach with thousands of people and picking out my spot on the beach, lying on the warm sand wearing a ladies' bathing suit and sun glasses. What did I think the sunglasses would hide?Goodness knows, maybe mentally it made me feel like I was hiding behind those dumb glasses.

I know watcha mean.
I went out crossdress for halloween once, like a real slut I guess, gawd I put glowsticks in my panties>.>
I thought I was SOOO passable.
Only now do I realize how obvious I must've been :-\

QuoteFrom there on it was like my real life was coming out of the fantasy state and materialising  into the real world.

That's always a horrible thing.  Except when it's a good thing.

Good luck in broad way:-)

Again thanks Kalt.

I hope no one is thinking I'm trying to steal the scene here. I just thought that telling about my fantasies may even be of help to the other younguns here. I got lots of practice tellin stories, as you probably have already found out Kalt hun, as I believe you must have read one of them by now. I had 11 children go under my roof through the years. I am a child, kitty cats and, dogie, lover to. Actually I am a nature lover (period).

Taking the kids out for a walk into the woods behind the house and playing pretend was the norm of the day back then. I should have went for the theater when I was younger, I suppose, but then I was already engaged in the very noble job of raising kids back then.

I don't have a blog and neither do I find I have a need for one. Goodness knows probably everyone in the US and Canada have heard of me on the Yahoo Groups.

Cindy

QuoteQuote from: cindybc on Today at 03:33:07 AM
I just though it would be kind of a nice change in composing a positive experience while transitioning. 

Cindy:

This list is supposed to be for the youth, so I won't hijack it by talking about my transition.  It is well documented in my blog "Sandy's Transition".  I was trying to relate what my experiences were growing up as a transsexual.  My transition was very pleasant also.

But it was great reading about your experience!  Thanks you.  I too had a very active imagination.  I think most people like us do.

-Sandy

I don't detect any hijacking here yet.  It seems to me that no one else on the thread saw this as a thread hijacking. 

Just wondering,

Wing Walker ???

Hi Kalt hun

QuoteI'll have you know young lady, I still play games too.
I pretend I'm a hawt jedi knight with unlimited sex appeal from my amazing beyonce figure slaying droids, using a pcp pipe for my lightsaber:-)  It's good for the torso.

Well maybe the hawt Jedi Knight can join forces sometimes with the Dun's of Mars Warrior Princes. Another story I been working on.

And we mustn't forget the be-speckled genius Aunt Dee's time travel experiences.
  ;D

Cindy 

Quote from: Wing Walker on October 07, 2007, 05:18:31 PM
I don't detect any hijacking here yet.  It seems to me that no one else on the thread saw this as a thread hijacking. 

Just wondering,

Wing Walker ???

Stop hi-jacking my thread, Wing Walker-_-

8)

QuoteQuote from: Wing Walker on Today at 05:18:31 PM
I don't detect any hijacking here yet.  It seems to me that no one else on the thread saw this as a thread hijacking.

Just wondering,

Wing Walker

Stop hi-jacking my thread, Wing Walker-_-

Cool

Hi, Kalt, All,

This is gonna be a fun, useful thread.  I'm down for this one.  I will help in any way that I can, and if I can't, I won't waste anyone's time.

Wing Walker

Quote from: redfish on October 07, 2007, 06:52:32 PM
I am the Pariah, the Ghost. I am she who follows her own path..

And you evolve into Gyrados!

I have nothing else meaningful to add to this thread at this time, as my laptop batteries are about to die and my power supply is back at Purdue  :P

Quote from: Kat on October 07, 2007, 08:20:46 PM
I have nothing else meaningful to add to this thread at this time, as my laptop batteries are about to die and my power supply is back at Purdue  :P

-sigh-
The cherished love of Kat is so monetary.
Whoever thought love was priced by batteries?

QuoteI am the Pariah, the Ghost. I am she who follows her own path..

We all follow our own paths, Redfish.  If my path converges with yours at all, be it for one step or two miles, so much the better for me because I can learn about what you have seen that I might have missed.

Wing Walker

Hi Kalt hun,
That's ok, i'll buy her a flashlight.

Bon soir, Madamoiselle

Quote from: cindybc on October 07, 2007, 11:19:57 PM
Hi Kalt hun,
That's ok, i'll buy her a flashlight.

Bon soir, Madamoiselle

Hehe, I'll mail a box of matches:-P

And I don't speak underarmhair, mexican, or beerbreath..

I mean, french, spanish, and german.>.>

Maybe some day.

Well I'm half breed did you know. Iroquois and French. A proud red woman.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on October 08, 2007, 12:06:38 AM
Well I'm half breed did you know. Iroquois and French. A proud red woman.

Cindy

I know I have enough Cherokee to start a casino.  That's about all I know about my mutt blood.

Let's go start a casino Cindy.

We'll have crossdressing strippers and the grand prize each night will be a 24 karot gold corset for the neo-ladies, or a 24k gold strapon for the gmen.
:-)

Yes, a casino.

I like the idea.

We'll call it, "squawky dreamers."

"Neshnabequa" Native lady. You know with all that money we could build our own starship and take all the TG people with us and turn them into fairies, mermaids and imps On the newly teraformed waterworld Mars. Dream DREAM BIG!!!!!!!

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on October 08, 2007, 12:22:36 AM
"Neshnabequa" Native lady. You know with all that money we could build our own starship and take all the TG people with us and turn them into fairies, mermaids and imps On the newly teraformed waterworld Mars. Dream DREAM BIG!!!!!!!

Cindy

Actually...

My plans for world domination and ultimate humanity go something like this:

1.  Begin taking over the world.  This would require plenty of money and a belief that many people believe in.  Like, a new religion or some serious politics.
2.  Be aware of opposition.  At the first sign of opposition, quickly convert following to militaristic following and begin establishing dominance.
3.  Continue said dominance, using any and all methods to achieve victory.
4.  As land is gained, begin artificial selections.  This is defined as termination or passing.  Passing is based off of intelligence, artistic ability, physical adeptness and beauty all balanced into an equation.  Deformities, family illnesses, low intelligence, hideousness, physical inability or lack of logical thought are all traits punishable by termination.
5.  Once dominance over the world is established and all human life has been filtered to its best, begin eliminating all signs of technology.  This being buildings, cities, anything over a 15th century design.  This includes weapons, vehicles, and vaccines.  The only technologies spared are the ones being used by high command.
6.  Begin taking offspring of selected individuals to be raised in an Eden sort of environment.  This will make the best of humanity available without harboring memories of rebellion or knowledge in technology.
7.  Leader(me) and chosen party(friends) go into frozen hibernation, leaving a team of bioengineers in charge.
8.  Bioengineers let humans populate the earth again, whilst designing dragons, faeries, unicorns, anything and all matters of mystical creatures and plants.
9.  Once planet has become a living faery tale, party and leader are unfrozen.  Leader undergoes immediate gender operation and cosmetic operation to become gender of choice.  Vaccines of modern diseases are handed out.  Leader shoots bioengineers.
10.  Leader and begin party of the life time, slaying dragons, enjoying the company of a beautiful human culture both attractive and open to logic.  Worshipped as a goddess.
11.  Lack of pollutants and a natural, healthy diet lead to long life.
12.  End of world domination.

Hi Kalt

Well I think I'll keep Mars, but don't kill all the dragons, I'll take some home with me. I already got a pet Pterodactyl, do you think dragons will get along with Pterodactyls?.

But you see sweets, Mars was the original Paradise and that's how it got lost. It got lost when everyone was told to leave Mars and migrated to Earth during the great meteoric bombardment of Mars.

Cindy 

Quote from: cindybc on October 08, 2007, 04:48:09 PM
Hi Kalt

Well I think I'll keep Mars, but don't kill all the dragons, I'll take some home with me. I already got a pet Pterodactyl, do you think dragons will get along with Pterodactyls?.

But you see sweets, Mars was the original Paradise and that's how it got lost. It got lost when everyone was told to leave Mars and migrated to Earth during the great meteoric bombardment of Mars.

Cindy 

I remember the good ole days.  Movie night was the best, Pluto has the best theatres by far.
I miss Pluto... I didn't feel so short over there.

KK, back to the origonal topic...

Im 26 almost 27, but consider myself to be one of the "young ones"

I first tried to come out when I was around 15...  that failed horrably...  I was viciously beaten back into the closet...

I had that nice lovely middle point, drugs and alchahol and all that... 

at 23 I started to come out to all my friends but still didnt have the rescources necicary to actualy transition....
at 24 with the help of my at the time GF, I actualy started transition, theripy HRT and all that...
2 days before I turned 26 I went full time, and well...  Ill have finished my year RLE in 6 more days  :)

Ive struggled through everything, even stopped HRT for a long period <had a total physical regression and worse> when I restarted it was on and off for quite a while before things stabalized...  I have been disowned by my family, and kicked out of my parrents house and lost a very close friend over transition....

My only regrets thus far were being too messed up to start collage, and not standing my ground as a young teen...

Hi, Lynn,

Congratulations on successful completion of your RLE.  I've never met you but I am very happy for you.

I'm 56 and I didn't come out until I was 51.  I've lost family over it but I have concluded that the last place to look for support is from your family.  I learned that a long time ago when I was in the insurance business and everyone in my family kept sending their money elsewhere.

So much for that.

Stay well and be happy.  You look wonderful, Dahling!

Keep on flyin'!

Wing Walker

Quote from: LynnER on October 09, 2007, 12:03:04 AM
KK, back to the origonal topic...

Im 26 almost 27, but consider myself to be one of the "young ones"

I first tried to come out when I was around 15...  that failed horrably...  I was viciously beaten back into the closet...

I had that nice lovely middle point, drugs and alchahol and all that... 

at 23 I started to come out to all my friends but still didnt have the rescources necicary to actualy transition....
at 24 with the help of my at the time GF, I actualy started transition, theripy HRT and all that...
2 days before I turned 26 I went full time, and well...  Ill have finished my year RLE in 6 more days  :)

Ive struggled through everything, even stopped HRT for a long period <had a total physical regression and worse> when I restarted it was on and off for quite a while before things stabalized...  I have been disowned by my family, and kicked out of my parrents house and lost a very close friend over transition....

My only regrets thus far were being too messed up to start collage, and not standing my ground as a young teen...

Sorry darling, but I went as high as I could on age already.
But, I charge you with being a BIG SISTER.
RAWR.

Because, we all know you're doing amazing things in this world.

Posted on: October 09, 2007, 10:07:19 AM

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So, I think Lost in Time has OCD.

Just cuz I need a bump on this thread.

We need more kids over here!

Quote from: kalt on October 09, 2007, 07:40:25 PM



Posted on: October 09, 2007, 10:07:19 AM

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So, I think Lost in Time has OCD.

Just cuz I need a bump on this thread.

We need more kids over here!

What are we trying to discuss here again anyways? :P

Quote from: shanetastic on October 09, 2007, 07:47:29 PM
What are we trying to discuss here again anyways? :P

We're discussing the superiority of the youthful transsexuals as opposed to the elders:-P

>.<

Cuz we gotz the power of HARRY POTTER in our generation.  Booyah.

Quote from: redfish on October 09, 2007, 08:12:56 PM
You could add me under the youth thingy if you want. I'm only a year older than you are..

Well, I would if you'd give me the information needed:-p

Quote from: kalt on October 09, 2007, 08:31:10 PM

Quote from: redfish on October 09, 2007, 08:12:56 PM
You could add me under the youth thingy if you want. I'm only a year older than you are..

Well, I would if you'd give me the information needed:-p

And what would that be again? lol

Quote from: shanetastic on October 09, 2007, 09:17:49 PM

Quote from: kalt on October 09, 2007, 08:31:10 PM

Quote from: redfish on October 09, 2007, 08:12:56 PM
You could add me under the youth thingy if you want. I'm only a year older than you are..

Well, I would if you'd give me the information needed:-p

And what would that be again? lol

Go peek at the first post.  ;)

Lane, HRT, top surgery, legally male, 19

Hey Lane!
Nice going!
I'm hungry so... lengthy conversations later!

oh I can join in now!!!

<name undecided>, MTF, HRT, still living as a male, 19!

Do I win now?!? :D

Quote from: shanetastic on October 10, 2007, 03:27:51 PM
oh I can join in now!!!

<name undecided>, MTF, HRT, still living as a male, 19!

Do I win now?!? :D

No mam.
Not till you get a name.

Well I haven't think of a girl name yet ;D. I'm just starting HRT I'm MTF and I don't plan comming out very soon, so I'll still be living as male for another 1 or 2 years. I plan to get some plastic surgery on my face as soon as possible cuz I want to pass better and be more attractive as a girl. If my plan runs smoothly I should get my SRS done before 25.

Quote from: sakuranbo on October 10, 2007, 06:17:04 PM
Well I haven't think of a girl name yet ;D. I'm 16 and just starting HRT I'm MTF and I don't plan comming out very soon, so I'll still be living as male for another 1 or 2 years. I plan to get some plastic surgery on my face as soon as possible cuz I want to pass better and be more attractive as a girl. If my plan runs smoothly I should get my SRS done before 25.

Sounds like a plan!^_^

It seems as if I'll be LUCKY if I can be on HRT before the end of the year... rawr.
I'll probably wait a year or more until I transfer to a dorm university.  I'm running every day and trying as hard as I can to lose the muscle.  Right now I might be able to pass for a lesbian on roid rage... but I don't feel like shaving lately either cuz everytime I do more comes back.

Quote from: sakuranbo on October 10, 2007, 06:17:04 PM
Well I haven't think of a girl name yet ;D. I'm 16 and just starting HRT I'm MTF and I don't plan comming out very soon, so I'll still be living as male for another 1 or 2 years. I plan to get some plastic surgery on my face as soon as possible cuz I want to pass better and be more attractive as a girl. If my plan runs smoothly I should get my SRS done before 25.

You don't plan on coming out very soon but your just starting HRT whaaaa :D

And that's going to be hard to live as a male for another year or two once you start by the way :P  I'm already going crazy, but there's probably no way in heck I could pass right now either way so I'm still going to wait.

Quote from: shanetastic on October 10, 2007, 10:12:11 PM

Quote from: sakuranbo on October 10, 2007, 06:17:04 PM
Well I haven't think of a girl name yet ;D. I'm 16 and just starting HRT I'm MTF and I don't plan comming out very soon, so I'll still be living as male for another 1 or 2 years. I plan to get some plastic surgery on my face as soon as possible cuz I want to pass better and be more attractive as a girl. If my plan runs smoothly I should get my SRS done before 25.

You don't plan on coming out very soon but your just starting HRT whaaaa :D

And that's going to be hard to live as a male for another year or two once you start by the way :P  I'm already going crazy, but there's probably no way in heck I could pass right now either way so I'm still going to wait.

Pssht.
I bet you could pass as a very tall smurf.

Quote from: kalt on October 11, 2007, 09:09:37 AM

Quote from: shanetastic on October 10, 2007, 10:12:11 PM

Quote from: sakuranbo on October 10, 2007, 06:17:04 PM
Well I haven't think of a girl name yet ;D. I'm 16 and just starting HRT I'm MTF and I don't plan comming out very soon, so I'll still be living as male for another 1 or 2 years. I plan to get some plastic surgery on my face as soon as possible cuz I want to pass better and be more attractive as a girl. If my plan runs smoothly I should get my SRS done before 25.

You don't plan on coming out very soon but your just starting HRT whaaaa :D

And that's going to be hard to live as a male for another year or two once you start by the way :P  I'm already going crazy, but there's probably no way in heck I could pass right now either way so I'm still going to wait.

Pssht.
I bet you could pass as a very tall smurf.

How did you figure out she has blue skin?  And the girl smurf's name is Smurfette.

-Sandy (I always win at Trivial Pursuit)

Quote from: Kassandra on October 11, 2007, 10:09:46 AM
How did you figure out she has blue skin?  And the girl smurf's name is Smurfette.

-Sandy (I always win at Trivial Pursuit)

Smurf and smurfette, same thing>.>
It's not like the girls have any boobs anyways!

Fine.  Jeez.
I give up!

ONE DAY I SHALL RULE THE SMURF NATION!
AND ALL SMURFETTES WILL LUFFLES ME!

Quote from: kalt on October 09, 2007, 07:40:25 PM

Sorry darling, but I went as high as I could on age already.
But, I charge you with being a BIG SISTER.
RAWR.

:P  Well, Im still younger than allot of folks.... and I started young before I hit my mid 20's and was here most of that time  :P again hehehehe.  Anyways Big sister, young one <I still consider myself young no matter what anyone says :D  > Ill be around.  Catch you later and good luck.

Hi LynnER,

Well, my computer is gone nuts or something. I keep losing my posting to you.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that what you have achieved at your young age is an achivement not many can boast about. You should be proud.  There are a few more young folks on the board who have traveled the same route. It takes a lot of courage to achive what you younguns have accomplished.

So maybe I get to feeling a little jealous at times but it's a healthy jealousy. My opportunity to transition didn't come until later in my life but I don't drag my feet when I decide to do something. I get down to doin' it and just get done of it.

Cindy
   

QuoteQuote from: kalt on October 09, 2007, 07:40:25 PM

Sorry darling, but I went as high as I could on age already.
But, I charge you with being a BIG SISTER.
RAWR.


Tongue  Well, Im still younger than allot of folks.... and I started young before I hit my mid 20's and was here most of that time  Tongue again hehehehe.  Anyways Big sister, young one <I still consider myself young no matter what anyone says Cheesy  > Ill be around.  Catch you later and good luck.

This is my last foray into this thread.

Has some authority been conferred on Kalt to organize, watch over, operate, and fix when necessary, a youth group on this posting board?  If so, can I know who conferred it?

There are too many inconsistencies here for me.  This fellow enlisted in the Marine Corps and now decides that he can walk away from his obligations by telling some "major" that he is TS and on HRT?  It doesn't make sense.

I also read the biting, acidulous comments made in reply to people whose postings offer care, help, and an open heart, "for the youth," as Kalt says it.

Better yet, where are the youth?  I don't see anyone playing follow-the-leader with Kalt.  If one wishes to determine how effective their leadership is they need only turn around and see who is following them.

To all reading this posting, thank you for hearing me out.  I am concerned over what I am seeing.  I would like to be in error on this one but I don't believe that I am.

Wing Walker
Out

Quote from: cindybc on October 11, 2007, 07:09:56 PM
Hi LynnER,

Well, my computer is gone nuts or something. I keep losing my posting to you.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that what you have achieved at your young age is an achivement not many can boast about. You should be proud.  There are a few more young folks on the board who have traveled the same route. It takes a lot of courage to achive what you younguns have accomplished.

So maybe I get to feeling a little jealous at times but it's a healthy jealousy. My opportunity to transition didn't come until later in my life but I don't drag my feet when I decide to do something. I get down to doin' it and just get done of it.

Cindy
   

Hey momma, I'd happily give you my virginity:-P

Hehehehe.

Naw seriously, you're still spazzy enough to go get some good stuff, get a few numbers from the gentlemen's club, drop a few jaws on the golf field... I bet if you went to the shooting range you'd have every unmarried deputy in the state after you.

Posted on: October 11, 2007, 08:50:42 PM

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Quote from: Wing Walker on October 11, 2007, 07:37:30 PM
This is my last foray into this thread.

Has some authority been conferred on Kalt to organize, watch over, operate, and fix when necessary, a youth group on this posting board?  If so, can I know who conferred it?

It's a voluntary thing, calm down.

QuoteThere are too many inconsistencies here for me.

Get over it.

QuoteThis fellow enlisted in the Marine Corps and now decides that he can walk away from his obligations by telling some "major" that he is TS and on HRT?  It doesn't make sense.

It's called the, "Delayed Entree Program," designed for highschool seniors and college kids like me.
If the military were to hold highschoolers to a decision that could have been mistakenly made, the US military would be screwed.

QuoteI also read the biting, acidulous comments made in reply to people whose postings offer care, help, and an open heart, "for the youth," as Kalt says it.

And now you're full of it.  I do not attack the person, unlike you are here against me.  I am making a list for the purpose of other younger members who might chance across it to offer hope and the knowledge that it's very possible.  I made the guidelines clear, simply informing someone of it does not constitute as biting.  Lighten up.

QuoteBetter yet, where are the youth?

See original post, out of the maybe dozen posters on this forum there've been plenty of volunteers for the list.

QuoteI don't see anyone playing follow-the-leader with Kalt.

QuoteIf one wishes to determine how effective their leadership

Leadership?  Leadership?
Are you kidding?
So if you'er going to call me the, "leader" of this thread, I'll simply call you the bully of this thread.
I am not doing anything but keeping my thread alive and updating the list.

I didn't realize the policy on Susans was to bash and flame anyone who's trying to be nice.

QuoteI am concerned over what I am seeing.  I would like to be in error on this one but I don't believe that I am.

And there won't be any convincing you either, no doubt.
When you see what you want to see, you'll see anything.

Where'd you find those quotes from I don't remember reading anything like that before lol

Quote from: shanetastic on October 11, 2007, 09:03:13 PM
Where'd you find those quotes from I don't remember reading anything like that before lol

Not you hun, you're sweet:-)

Quote from: kalt on October 11, 2007, 09:16:49 PM

Quote from: shanetastic on October 11, 2007, 09:03:13 PM
Where'd you find those quotes from I don't remember reading anything like that before lol

Not you hun, you're sweet:-)

Our dear Wing Walker went pms on me.

Ahh okay.  Everyone has their opinions I know.  The best thing to do is try to understand all perspectives, that's what everyone keeps telling me as I tell them :)

Quote from: shanetastic on October 11, 2007, 09:33:32 PM

Quote from: kalt on October 11, 2007, 09:16:49 PM

Quote from: shanetastic on October 11, 2007, 09:03:13 PM
Where'd you find those quotes from I don't remember reading anything like that before lol

Not you hun, you're sweet:-)

Our dear Wing Walker went pms on me.

Ahh okay.  Everyone has their opinions I know.  The best thing to do is try to understand all perspectives, that's what everyone keeps telling me as I tell them :)

I know.  I find it amazing though how people who are so discriminated against can hold so much bigotry even among their own kind.
I went to a gay church one time, was turned away because I was, "unholy" and, "a freak."
They're over there complaining about how much it sucks that they can't get married and yet they still had the time to hate others.
-sigh-

Quote from: kalt on October 11, 2007, 09:37:43 PM

Quote from: shanetastic on October 11, 2007, 09:33:32 PM

Quote from: kalt on October 11, 2007, 09:16:49 PM

Quote from: shanetastic on October 11, 2007, 09:03:13 PM
Where'd you find those quotes from I don't remember reading anything like that before lol

Not you hun, you're sweet:-)

Our dear Wing Walker went pms on me.

Ahh okay.  Everyone has their opinions I know.  The best thing to do is try to understand all perspectives, that's what everyone keeps telling me as I tell them :)

I went to a gay church one time, was turned away because I was, "unholy" and, "a freak."
They're over there complaining about how much it sucks that they can't get married and yet they still had the time to hate others.
-sigh-

Come on now though kalt you have to admit that's a little bit funny in a sense.  Don't take me wrong what they did was totally wrong, but everything about that church seems to scream irony Haha :)

Im still at step zero, im going to start going to therapy soon.

My name is Lory, im 20, and well I guess im pretty much nothing more than a crossdresser at this point :( at least thats the way someone would see me as. I have been in sort of a self denial until sometime this year.  I started getting depressed about the whole thing and eventually ended up talking to tg people online who I found that I identified with. After a lot of thought I have decided that maybe I should begin the feminization behind my parents backs. I guess so far I have started growing out my hair, started using hair remover to get rid of hair on my legs and body.

I think this youth think is a great idea. It does seem like we dont have enough support from our own age group. I think its more difficult since we are faced with issues of money, parents, and school. Not to discredit all of you beautiful ladies who transitioned later on. I am definately up for helping in keeping this alive in anyway possible. Even though im still too much of a coward to go through with it  all the way, Im still up for helping other girls.

bye bye

Lory

Quote from: shanetastic on October 13, 2007, 03:00:51 AM
Come on now though kalt you have to admit that's a little bit funny in a sense.  Don't take me wrong what they did was totally wrong, but everything about that church seems to scream irony Haha :)

That's right!
Irony, FTW!
Let's coin a new term called, "steely."
Then, "Nickely!"
And even, "Silvery!"

Posted on: October 13, 2007, 09:15:06 AM

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Quote from: shy_lory on October 13, 2007, 03:20:21 AM
My name is Lory, im 20, and well I guess im pretty much nothing more than a crossdresser at this point

So hold on... you're a girl trapped in a dude's bod that wants to crossdress as a dude?
Hahaha

Quoteat least thats the way someone would see me as.

I think I see you as more of a WOMAN, considering you're posting here.

QuoteAfter a lot of thought I have decided that maybe I should begin the feminization behind my parents backs.

Honesty is the best choice, always.
Start the transformatino, but don't expect it to be kept a secret and dont' keep it a secret.  And, find a way to rely on yourself:)

QuoteI guess so far I have started growing out my hair, started using hair remover to get rid of hair on my legs and body.

GOOD GIRL!

QuoteI think this youth think is a great idea. It does seem like we dont have enough support from our own age group. I think its more difficult since we are faced with issues of money, parents, and school.

Damn straight.

QuoteEven though im still too much of a coward to go through with it  all the way

What makes someone who sees consequences and is scared to accept them a coward?  We don't know what your rents are like.  Keep us informed, Lory^_^

What makes me a coward? The fact that I really want to do this but I end up going into depression and locking myself out from the world and neglecting to try to go further. At this point I think Im going to start going to therapy after being pushed by so many people here, :)

So anyway, I want to be an active member of this forum section so please count on me. If anything I can talk with you if your feeling PMS'ee just YIM me!

Quote from: shy_lory on October 13, 2007, 05:27:24 PM
What makes me a coward? The fact that I really want to do this but I end up going into depression and locking myself out from the world and neglecting to try to go further. At this point I think Im going to start going to therapy after being pushed by so many people here, :)

So anyway, I want to be an active member of this forum section so please count on me. If anything I can talk with you if your feeling PMS'ee just YIM me!

Us PMS?
Haha, don't take it the wrong way, but it seems like you already PMS and you're not even on hormones yet!!!:p

But listen up, everyone has big challenges to face in life.  It's what makes life, life.  Everyone on these forums and myself have full faith that you'll make it through.  In the end, you're the one who logged on and started typing to us, so in the end you're the one who will be responsible for the boobs and pretty hair and the whole deal.

was wondering if its too late for me to be added... my name is raven, im 19, m2f, post/everything but surgery at this current date. i actually started hormones when i was 16, btw.

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 09:33:10 AM
was wondering if its too late for me to be added... my name is raven, im 19, m2f, post/everything but surgery at this current date. i actually started hormones when i was 16, btw.

AWESOME LASS!
When do you estimate you'll be getting the nip nippy stitch stitchy?

i figure b4 im 21... im sure ill get enough money by then.

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 09:42:06 AM
i figure b4 im 21... im sure ill get enough money by then.

Well, something all us TS's have to do ALONG with going through extreme emotional fluctuations, high risks, physical transformations, job changes, life changes, another puberty, is gaining financial wisdom.

Quote from: redfish on October 18, 2007, 10:10:55 AM
I'm planning to major in Folklore because I will make millions of dollars.

Yes... yes that's brilliant!

What was I thinking, majoring in pharmacy or endocrinilogy to become a doctor for financial security?!!!

LET'S ALL DO FOLKLORE, FOLKS!

better yet... im majoring in biotechnology...cloning and organ making are my general goals.

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 10:44:56 AM
better yet... im majoring in biotechnology...cloning and organ making are my general goals.

Clone me a body just like Tyra Banks' in her mid twenties and put my brain in it!

PWEEZE?!

i meant more uterine transplants or create one in a petri dish... so we can get pregnant with insemination. and mabye grow an entire reproductive system

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 10:50:31 AM
i meant more uterine transplants or create one in a petri dish... so we can get pregnant with insemination. and mabye grow an entire reproductive system

Sounds complex :D  But if you could do it. . .  hello being rich forever!

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 10:50:31 AM
i meant more uterine transplants or create one in a petri dish... so we can get pregnant with insemination. and mabye grow an entire reproductive system

Do I also get rich if I model the stuff for you?
I can totalyl see it now, a babe in a bikini modelling the petri-dish kidney:-p

sounds awsome... two head are always better than one(whew....overly used pun!)

Quote from: kalt on October 18, 2007, 10:24:13 AM

Quote from: redfish on October 18, 2007, 10:10:55 AM
I'm planning to major in Folklore because I will make millions of dollars.

Yes... yes that's brilliant!

What was I thinking, majoring in pharmacy or endocrinilogy to become a doctor for financial security?!!!

LET'S ALL DO FOLKLORE, FOLKS!

The new  women President of Harvard said " We are not here to make men into carpenters but we will make carpenters into men."

Contrary to the popular republican view of education, the purpose of education is not to make money but to live a full valued  life.

well actually... we can do everything ive said so far... today! only that people are not motivated or payed well enough to start something like that.

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 11:17:27 AM
sounds awsome... two head are always better than one(whew....overly used pun!)

O_O

I don't know how you meant that... but I took that in a totally guy way.

I can't help it>.>

Last night at the lecture a student was asking the professor if she could come in for some tutoring.

"Yes you can mam, I'll be in my office at 7:30 for about half an hour."
"I don't know if half an hour is enough..."

It seems as if I was the only one who heard it like that, considering I burst out laughing and everyone turned around and glared.

i meant as far as teamwork... hopefully not a sexual inuendo. btw... how come i cant get music on my profile? does this site hav html blocked?

Just a quick edit for your original post, kalt- I'm 19. :)

Quote from: RAVENX on October 18, 2007, 12:04:52 PM
i meant as far as teamwork... hopefully not a sexual inuendo. btw... how come i cant get music on my profile? does this site hav html blocked?

All music entered into Susans forums immediately experience a gender identity crisis and run for it.

Posted on: October 18, 2007, 01:26:29 PM

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Quote from: Lane on October 18, 2007, 12:17:09 PM
Just a quick edit for your original post, kalt- I'm 19. :)

-_-  evil!!!!

So Kalt, what do us youth talk about in this post exactly? :D

Besides how were all going to get rich through stem cell research!  Only another 6 years of college plus another 4 of interning until I will master this! Haha.

naaaaa... more like 2 years of college, an internship at a fancy place for a year or two, a couple more years  of college to gain advance degree and alot of references, and ur in. its all about the people ukno!!!

Quote from: shanetastic on October 19, 2007, 02:39:49 PM
So Kalt, what do us youth talk about in this post exactly? :D

Absolutely anything and everything.:-)

Posted on: October 19, 2007, 04:31:52 PM

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Quote from: RAVENX on October 19, 2007, 03:03:56 PM
naaaaa... more like 2 years of college, an internship at a fancy place for a year or two, a couple more years  of college to gain advance degree and alot of references, and ur in. its all about the people ukno!!!

Why not just get to knwo the owner of the college, deacan or whatever, and have him sign you over the paper right then and there?!!!

Posted on: October 19, 2007, 04:32:35 PM

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Fine, jeez.

The topic for the next three days will be: methods us youth use to help us pass.  Specifically methods for gaffs, breast binding, makeup, along with what we wear and all.

I have a vague suspicion that we go through much less effort than most adults on passing, I guess our generation isn't as picky maybe?

how we pass?
uh, hrt mainly...
i dont wear much makeup, and i just eat healthily, and exersise regularly, im loosing weight and getting fitter. other than that, mah booty is organic :P
for makeup advice for younger folk, try teen mags, thier the best source of info... as heck, natal females are still learning...
R :police:

i dont do makeup.. that helps me pass very well(im sure ill cake it on reall bad if i try anything other than black eyeliner). and what exactly is a gaff?  just wing it... and with a great additude...everything works out

Quote from: Rachael on October 19, 2007, 04:14:40 PM
how we pass?
uh, hrt mainly...
i dont wear much makeup, and i just eat healthily, and exersise regularly, im loosing weight and getting fitter. other than that, mah booty is organic :P
for makeup advice for younger folk, try teen mags, thier the best source of info... as heck, natal females are still learning...
R :police:

You should go put some input on my journal where I'm developing a full article on exercise for MtF.

And teenage magazines are good and all, except I always got depressed looking at all the girls in bikinis and crap, just made me sad that I wasn't right there with em.  Poisonous envy!

Posted on: October 19, 2007, 05:45:27 PM

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Quote from: RAVENX on October 19, 2007, 04:44:10 PM
i dont do makeup.. that helps me pass very well(im sure ill cake it on reall bad if i try anything other than black eyeliner). and what exactly is a gaff?  just wing it... and with a great additude...everything works out

Yeah, makeup is easy to mess up on.  Luckily, some of us have natural talent when the time comes.
A gaff is a torture device.

Er... I mean, it's a tight pair of underwear used to tuck.

Haha yeah, but you'll have to get over that eventually!!!  There's always good advice on how to look and dress in those magazines :D

i do makeup to a certain extent... lipstick and liner... mascara and eyeliner... and maybe some white theatric powder when im really trying for a look. oh... and i use a smaller swimsuit bottom...works perfectly...even when this one gay guy checked me(i was more than a little affended under any circumstances)

Im 20, and I have been binding properly for about just over half a year. I have started my therapy second appointment in just over a week. I have told everyone that matters to me, friends, family etc. I have been living a full time male for as long as I have had the choice to.

Thats me in a nut shell for you ;D

doesnt binding hurt? i walk and myne hurt... i have to change my way of sleeping as welll. but binding .... SCARRRRYYY THOUGHTTTT

Quote from: shanetastic on October 19, 2007, 04:49:21 PM
Haha yeah, but you'll have to get over that eventually!!!  There's always good advice on how to look and dress in those magazines :D

Well that's another thing, most of those styles are meant for girls that actually have hips, ya know?
A lot of us younger women have great butts and small waists, but our hips just don't flare.
And, the styles are so thin and light that you can't get away with waist binding.
This is why the GOTHIC style is the best style for MtFs.  :-)

Posted on: October 19, 2007, 06:56:48 PM

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Quote from: RAVENX on October 19, 2007, 04:53:55 PM
i do makeup to a certain extent... lipstick and liner... mascara and eyeliner... and maybe some white theatric powder when im really trying for a look. oh... and i use a smaller swimsuit bottom...works perfectly...even when this one gay guy checked me(i was more than a little affended under any circumstances)

Woah, a smaller swim suit bottom?
Is it comfortable?
I used to buy a thong, cut half the back end off so it'd be a lot tighter and squeeze into it.  The pressure weas unreal and so was the chafing.  That's amazing!  I can't wait to go try it out:-p

Posted on: October 19, 2007, 06:58:16 PM

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Quote from: Jaston on October 19, 2007, 04:54:02 PM
Im 20, and I have been binding properly for about just over half a year. I have started my therapy second appointment in just over a week. I have told everyone that matters to me, friends, family etc. I have been living a full time male for as long as I have had the choice to.

Thats me in a nut shell for you ;D

I need a gf like you>.>

hehe, awesome work on breast binding!

Does it make it harder to breathe or anything?

exersise for m2fs?
isnt that the same as regular exersise?
personally i find some situps, crunches, aerobic exersises and running does just fine.... and you dont have to be trans to pound the tarmac...
R :police:

Quote from: redfish on October 19, 2007, 06:16:28 PM
I usually study to pass. Except for when it comes to my Lit class.

My Lit class is really really easy

Haha, and when I need to pass I just hit the gas and go faster^_^

Posted on: October 19, 2007, 08:31:09 PM

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Quote from: Rachael on October 19, 2007, 06:51:30 PM
exersise for m2fs?
isnt that the same as regular exersise?
personally i find some situps, crunches, aerobic exersises and running does just fine.... and you dont have to be trans to pound the tarmac...
R :police:

It can become much more sophisticated than that, trust me.

yeah... i cant do exersizes or i build my thighs and arms to something unusual... i stick with crunches for now. i seriously need a m2f exersize book that makes the perfect body without all the plastics and saline.

Hi RAVENX

I have only known you for a short we time, but as I read your posts I have a feeling that you got what is need to accomplish and attain your dream. If the hormones and what not has done their number on this old bat it should certainly work well for you. Just be patient..... Look at who is advising Patience to another, Mrs busy body here that can't get enough time in a day to get stuff done. "Itchy feet."   ;D

Cindy

oh gosh Kalt, you must be on of those intense type of people at the gym where you stare and laugh at us people who know nothing :D

I have to agree with Rachael on this one, don't the basics work :D

/me doesnt do protein shakes, doesnt do lykra, doesnt do silly 'ragimes' designed by others.
i do wish to tone my body, i dont care if i loose strenght (already have) as long as i can still play combat sports, im happy.
'm2f' specific exesise ragimes simply segregate us futher, are you telling me an extersise ragime developed by a non trans person wont work for me? am i that alien?

R :police:

<<<<<<I have only known you for a short we time, but as I read your posts I have a feeling that you got what is need to accomplish and attain your dream. If the hormones and what not has done their number on this old bat it should certainly work well for you. Just be patient..... Look at who is advising Patience to another, Mrs busy body here that can't get enough time in a day to get stuff done. "Itchy feet."   Grin>>>>>>>


thanx for the compliment. its unusual for me to get more than general critizism and or the stare( ur so uneducated in the ways) but maybe its because u dont kno me well... and some others think they do.  so i appreciate anything i can get... its much of a confidence booster for the rest of the day...thanx again.

Quote from: Rachael on October 20, 2007, 08:44:54 AM
/me doesnt do protein shakes, doesnt do lykra, doesnt do silly 'ragimes' designed by others.
i do wish to tone my body, i dont care if i loose strenght (already have) as long as i can still play combat sports, im happy.
'm2f' specific exesise ragimes simply segregate us futher, are you telling me an extersise ragime developed by a non trans person wont work for me? am i that alien?

R :police:

Just maybe if there were to be a "mtf exercise" thing, that it might work better or more efficiently.

how are we physiologically different to non trans people? dont we loose  and gain weight the same?
personally, my current 'cisgender' ragime is working fine, when ->-bleeped-<-rsise gets a slot on breakfast tv, let me know...
R :police:

ya.... and if you jog, your falsies fall out... trufax
R :police:

Haha I don't know Rachael, I was just blabbering there :P

Did it work!?!?

nope
R :police:

Quote from: lisagurl on October 18, 2007, 11:23:22 AM
purpose of education is not to make money but to live a full valued  life.

And to make $$$

Posted on: October 22, 2007, 02:10:54 PM

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Quote from: RAVENX on October 20, 2007, 12:34:04 AM
yeah... i cant do exersizes or i build my thighs and arms to something unusual... i stick with crunches for now. i seriously need a m2f exersize book that makes the perfect body without all the plastics and saline.

Ha, no you're just paranoid.  I have high T levels and can still workout without getting a bulging figure, and that includes upper body.
There's nothing wrong with big thighs.  If anything, they're great.  I love working my legs to be built larger, proportionatly, than the rest of my body because it balances it out to more lower body than upper, which means less masculine figure.
Besides, it's the only thing I've got going for me.  My tiny bench press is embarassing, but my 315 squat drops jaws:-p
Crunches are probably the worst exercise to do as far as working on your form.  They not only work the rectus abdominis(the middle of the abs) but also the obliques(sides) which means those will bulk, adding inches to your waist and detracting from your wait to hip ratio.

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Quote from: shanetastic on October 20, 2007, 02:19:24 AM
oh gosh Kalt, you must be on of those intense type of people at the gym where you stare and laugh at us people who know nothing :D

No, not at all.
Everyone starts from somewhere, therefore everyone merits the same amount of patience and dedication.

Okay I'll trust you Kalt :D

P.S. How is your intense exercise thing going to lose your muscle mass?

Quote from: Rachael on October 20, 2007, 08:44:54 AM
/me doesnt do protein shakes, doesnt do lykra, doesnt do silly 'ragimes' designed by others.
i do wish to tone my body, i dont care if i loose strenght (already have) as long as i can still play combat sports, im happy.
'm2f' specific exesise ragimes simply segregate us futher, are you telling me an extersise ragime developed by a non trans person wont work for me? am i that alien?

R :police:

Yes, I'm telling you that if you follow an exercise routine designed for females, specifically for females conditioning for combat sports, you won't enjoy your results as much as you would for a program for someone in your phsyical disposition.
Furthermore, there is no such thing as, "toning."
Once again, that's just a myth spread around by uneducated fitness, "professionals" looking for quick bucks.
Anyone with a few years in college with knowledge of how the muscles actually work down to a chemical level(actin-myosin filament theory, creatin phosphagen system, anaerobic glycemic index, etc...) can casually inform you with 100% certainty that muscles cannot be toned.

Posted on: October 22, 2007, 02:19:49 PM

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Quote from: shanetastic on October 21, 2007, 04:05:42 AM

Quote from: Rachael on October 20, 2007, 08:44:54 AM
/me doesnt do protein shakes, doesnt do lykra, doesnt do silly 'ragimes' designed by others.
i do wish to tone my body, i dont care if i loose strenght (already have) as long as i can still play combat sports, im happy.
'm2f' specific exesise ragimes simply segregate us futher, are you telling me an extersise ragime developed by a non trans person wont work for me? am i that alien?

R :police:

Just maybe if there were to be a "mtf exercise" thing, that it might work better or more efficiently.

There is.
Er, there will be.
Get to my blog^_^
And someone friggin gimme some reps, this is disgusting me!

Posted on: October 22, 2007, 02:20:40 PM

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Quote from: Rachael on October 21, 2007, 04:22:20 AM
how are we physiologically different to non trans people?

Bone structure.
We have male bones and are seeking a feminine form.
The only two major things that shape us between our bones and outside figure are muscles and fat.
Therefore, it takes a little more than just general programming to get potent results.

Posted on: October 22, 2007, 02:22:03 PM

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Quote from: shanetastic on October 22, 2007, 01:18:00 PM
Okay I'll trust you Kalt :D

Yes, it's nice when people trust the experts^_^

The thingy to lose muscle is going quite well.
My kick actually sped up to 89MPH from 72.  That's an incredible difference in force.
Losing a lot of muscle, seem to be about as strong though.  I'm at the point that if I picked up where I left off, I'd be as strong and big as I was just a few months ago.

not necesrily kalt, the younger you start hrt, the greater chance of bone structure change, upto 24m, but most effective upto 21-22, and depending on what your puberty state is.
Im intersexed as it is, and since starting hrt, my hip bones have widened, not fat, bone, definate bone, im not a necesrily large or masculinely shaped person. and ive had no trouble so far looking physically female in my bodyshape. as this is a youth topic, ya might wanna consider that as a factor. age of transition, and need for a male physiology female shape program...
R :police:

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:26:14 PM
not necesrily kalt, the younger you start hrt, the greater chance of bone structure change, upto 24m, but most effective upto 21-22, and depending on what your puberty state is.
Im intersexed as it is, and since starting hrt, my hip bones have widened, not fat, bone, definate bone, im not a necesrily large or masculinely shaped person. and ive had no trouble so far looking physically female in my bodyshape. as this is a youth topic, ya might wanna consider that as a factor. age of transition, and need for a male physiology female shape program...
R :police:

Using an intersexed individual in a case study concerning the effects of hormones on non-intersexed individuals is not acceptable, silly.
Furthermore, it's been made clear by almost all health professionals in the transsexual care department that hormones rarely effect bone structure after purberty has hit at all.
Basicly, if you start HRT after 14, don't look for drastic changes.

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:26:14 PM
not necesrily kalt, the younger you start hrt, the greater chance of bone structure change, upto 24m, but most effective upto 21-22, and depending on what your puberty state is.
Im intersexed as it is, and since starting hrt, my hip bones have widened, not fat, bone, definate bone, im not a necesrily large or masculinely shaped person. and ive had no trouble so far looking physically female in my bodyshape. as this is a youth topic, ya might wanna consider that as a factor. age of transition, and need for a male physiology female shape program...
R :police:

Don't get me wrong I'm no expert by ANY means.  But I thought if you weren't intersexed, your bone structure can't change.  And your bones normally develop by the time your 20 fully (some being earlier than others), with exception to the collar bone.  I do know that for sure, hehe.  On any note, I'm not challenging the whole idea of your hip bone widening since you are indeed intersexed, but for regular MTF people, I thought that it couldn't change except for the whole fat redistribution.

uh, its nothing to do with puberty, its physical human growth hormone levels in the body (high to 24) and the endocrineal distrobution of that around the body in sex specific areas of growth
also the 14 thing is BS, i know many 18yos upto 25 who have had massive change. not all puberties are in the early teens, even for non IS folk
and i said what i described has happened in others, not just me.
R :police:

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:30:45 PM
uh, its nothing to do with puberty, its physical human growth hormone levels in the body (high to 24) and the endocrineal distrobution of that around the body in sex specific areas of growth
also the 14 thing is BS, i know many 18yos upto 25 who have had massive change. not all puberties are in the early teens, even for non IS folk
and i said what i described has happened in others, not just me.
R :police:

Yeah, but depending on your hormonal distribution really effects the length in which the bones grow.  Of course, some experience puberty later than others, that's for sure, but it still tops off at the age of 25, when the last bone matures (proven to be the collar bone).  I'm just wondering, are you sure it's bones that are changing, or is it fat or something else?  I'm not really trying to challenge, was just stating the physical concepts of anthropology in humans.  Of course, it isn't the exact same for everyone I understand, but is there a chance it could be something else?

no, like i said, its bone, my hips arent very fatty, and they have widened, the actual wings of the hip bone have broadened, and as silly as it sounds, the gap between my legs which wasnt there once, is there now... ive gone from 34-38 in the hip dept and when i wear tac gear for sports, i can literally sit my beltkit on top of my hips with no needs for a yoke... its geat :D
R

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:38:24 PM
no, like i said, its bone, my hips arent very fatty, and they have widened, the actual wings of the hip bone have broadened, and as silly as it sounds, the gap between my legs which wasnt there once, is there now... ive gone from 34-38 in the hip dept and when i wear tac gear for sports, i can literally sit my beltkit on top of my hips with no needs for a yoke... its geat :D
R

Haha, then it looks like a case of something that happened then :P  Sure it doesn't happen that often, but I guess your just a lucky person then :D  And dang 38 :)  I'm a skinny person and my hips are barely making 35.  I would be happy if I could get around yours, then it would actually look like I have some curves haha.

Quote from: Rachael on October 22, 2007, 01:30:45 PM
uh, its nothing to do with puberty, its physical human growth hormone levels in the body (high to 24) and the endocrineal distrobution of that around the body in sex specific areas of growth

Nothing to do with puberty?
Okay then, let's step this up.  Support what you're saying.
Now please cite the material you're using to support that puberty has nothing to do with the fluctuations of Human Growth Hormone.
According to Human Growth and Development Through the Life Span by Laura I. Berk, page 363, you're incorrect.
According to Human Growth: A comprehensive Treatise by William A. Marshall, page 171-200, you're incorrect.
According to Anatomy and Physiology, by M. Hudson, page 209, you're incorrect.

I'll be waiting:-)

Quotealso the 14 thing is BS

Please look above for evidence to the contrary

Quotei know many 18yos upto 25 who have had massive change. not all puberties are in the early teens, even for non IS folk

Please prove that your personal experience accurately represents the overwhelming majority of the population, or is even close to the norm.

So I just now came accross this thread and thought I'd join in. I just turned 20, and currently live as male. *sigh* although I long for the courage to come out to my dad..(that's who I currently live with) So I really haven't even started to transition, it's just something I think about every minute, of every day of my entire life. I just totally lack the courage to do anything about it. I hate it. Sometimes it just makes me sick, it's like I have this huge shadow following me everywhere I go, that noone knows what it is, or about. I'd like to make some friends that are along in their transition and willing to I guess help me out with advice, ect?

Thanks for reading this, I look forward to hearing back from someone :)

Hi Monica hun, welcome to Susan's. I think you will find a lot of the answers you seek here but many of the answers are already within you and there are many folks here that may be able to awaken this knowledge.

Cindy

Quote from: monica on October 22, 2007, 08:50:15 PM
So I just now came accross this thread and thought I'd join in. I just turned 20, and currently live as male. *sigh* although I long for the courage to come out to my dad..(that's who I currently live with) So I really haven't even started to transition, it's just something I think about every minute, of every day of my entire life. I just totally lack the courage to do anything about it. I hate it. Sometimes it just makes me sick, it's like I have this huge shadow following me everywhere I go, that noone knows what it is, or about. I'd like to make some friends that are along in their transition and willing to I guess help me out with advice, ect?

Thanks for reading this, I look forward to hearing back from someone :)

Hey, what's up?!!!
So anyways, MtF, FtM, or just something random?
Planning on therapy, what sage of therapy?  Meh?

Quote from: monica on October 22, 2007, 08:50:15 PM
So I just now came accross this thread and thought I'd join in. I just turned 20, and currently live as male. *sigh* although I long for the courage to come out to my dad..(that's who I currently live with) So I really haven't even started to transition, it's just something I think about every minute, of every day of my entire life. I just totally lack the courage to do anything about it. I hate it. Sometimes it just makes me sick, it's like I have this huge shadow following me everywhere I go, that noone knows what it is, or about. I'd like to make some friends that are along in their transition and willing to I guess help me out with advice, ect?

Thanks for reading this, I look forward to hearing back from someone :)

Hey monica, welcome and I hope you find all of us here a support for you.

Anyways though, ultimately if you want to go into this any further the start is therapy or coming out, so I hope you consider this sometime.  If your not ready to come out maybe you could seek therapy to help sort through your emotions.

I'm MtF, and I haven't started therapy yet...I'm not financially stable enough at this point in time. I'm working on getting some insurance to see if that will help with the cost. On top of that I'm starting to save up for it so I can afford atleast a session or two a month. Anything would be great, as long as I have a person to talk about this too about all theese emotions would be super awesome..For now though, nothing..just thoughts, and hopes =/

therapy can help, but isnt always needed... heck, ive not seen one yet (<3 nhs) but im sane *wibble*
R :police:

Quote from: Rachael on October 23, 2007, 05:18:37 AM
therapy can help, but isnt always needed... heck, ive not seen one yet (<3 nhs) but im sane *wibble*
R :police:

I think the whole process can be bogged down with Therapy rather than physical help or treatment. The U.K's NHS system is guity of this and their long term 'Stalling' effect on the young transitioners is devistating and damaging..

Quote from: Rachael on October 23, 2007, 05:18:37 AM
therapy can help, but isnt always needed... heck, ive not seen one yet (<3 nhs) but im sane *wibble*
R :police:

But you're special.
seriously, it's getting kind of annoying when an intersexed person keeps using herself as an example in the MtF community>.>
But anyways, when're you putting up a new avy pic?  I love the curves on the one you've got and all... but if you have more where it came from don't hesitate to share!^_^

therapy isnt always needed, weather im IS or not, hey, technically, i might need MORE counceling? thought of that?
born mixed gender, corrected to male, punished for femininity and raised male in an all boys school for 16 years... youd think id be nuts?
NOT EVERY TRANSITIONING PERSON is unsure of thier gender, a LOT are positive, and just go through therapy as a step that must be done...
when im sobbing my eyes out over that thing between my legs, dont you DARE tell me im not m2f.... i have the SAME crap to deal with, and it hurts JUST as bloody much... so dont you dare tell me i cant speak for the m2f community...
R :police:



(and i like this avitar)

Quote from: Rachael on October 23, 2007, 07:49:38 AM
therapy isnt always needed, weather im IS or not, hey, technically, i might need MORE counceling? thought of that?
born mixed gender, corrected to male, punished for femininity and raised male in an all boys school for 16 years... youd think id be nuts?
NOT EVERY TRANSITIONING PERSON is unsure of thier gender, a LOT are positive, and just go through therapy as a step that must be done...
when im sobbing my eyes out over that thing between my legs, dont you DARE tell me im not m2f.... i have the SAME crap to deal with, and it hurts JUST as bloody much... so dont you dare tell me i cant speak for the m2f community...
R :police:



(and i like this avitar)

Your body has a lot more potential as far as being female than any other MtF.
I'm not saying, "don't speak for the MtF."  I'm saying, "stop acting like you're a normal MtF and anything that happens to you can happen to anyone else."  All you're doing is getting people's hopes up and then those hopes will be flushed once it doesn't happen.

um, well whats happened to me has happened for a lot of 'normal' m2fs...
my genes dont really mean as much as you think...
some physiological differences, but as far as hrt is concered, its fairly similar for my age to non IS trans folk...
If you like i can wear a brand identifying myself as a genetic freak who must be taken with a pinch of salt...? or maybe we should have a serparate forum so we dont confuse you poor 'REAL m2fs'
R :police:

Quote from: Rachael on October 23, 2007, 08:19:36 AM
um, well whats happened to me has happened for a lot of 'normal' m2fs...
my genes dont really mean as much as you think...
some physiological differences, but as far as hrt is concered, its fairly similar for my age to non IS trans folk...
If you like i can wear a brand identifying myself as a genetic freak who must be taken with a pinch of salt...? or maybe we should have a serparate forum so we dont confuse you poor 'REAL m2fs'
R :police:

I don't care what you are, I'm fine with anything, it's the person inside and not the outward appearance that matters.
But when you advertise obvious differences and then act as if those are normal, despite all the dominant literature published by doctors and other transsexuals both educated and/or more experienced in the community than you saying otherwise, then you're not only being disrespectful to them but also to the people who you could be leading along only to let them have dashed hopes.
The entire point of this, that you're blatantly disregarding, is that you've made it clear that you intersexed, which means you've had different hormonal actions in your body for your entire life, specifically before and even after puberty from males.  You then expect everyone to act as if your case is normal.  That's great for you, but calling a 1976 Chevy a 2001 Ferarri just doesn't work, you've got to realize that using yourself as an example for other MtF isn't applicable.  If you'd like, use yourself for others in your predicament, but don't let some kids get on here thinking they can have robust chests and flaring hips by taking a few pills, it not only leads to risks of self medication and/or overdosing on medication but also the HIGH possibility of false hopes which will lead, inevitably, to the downfall of reality which will then fall heavily on the shoulders of someone ALREADY burdened enough by the reality of her situation and how society takes it and a self-identity crisis.  You getting kudos off falsely identifying your exact situation with others isn't worth the potential and very likely consequences.  I accept you as MtF in the sense that you're in an outwardly appearing male body but are female on the inside.  I accept that you're struggling and I'm not goign to pull some GLB bs and say that you're not in the same boat as we are.  But I will say that you're not biologically identical or even similiar to the detailed map of a male body trying to do a u-turn, and that saying you are whilst boasting amazing results is as bad as any athlete taking steroids and then boasting amazing stats.

Quote from: redfish on October 23, 2007, 03:17:50 PM
no u

Mreow?

"WOOF, WOOF!"

Cindy

I'm still not on your list Kalt!

Hi Shanetastic

Your #1 in my books, fantastic Shanetastic

But there are some here that are not just 0nly out of harmony with the rest, they're just bloody not on the same planet!

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on October 24, 2007, 02:49:12 AM
Hi Shanetastic

Your #1 in my books, fantastic Shanetastic

But there are some here that are not just 0nly out of harmony with the rest, they're just bloody not on the same planet!

Cindy

Haha I think you can find that anywhere you go Cindy!!! :D

Who IS from this planet after all!?!?

Hi  Shanetastic

Well I use to live on the planet X and it was to cold there so I moved to Mars. I am one of the lizard people. Geico Gecko is my cousin.

Cindy

Quote from: Kassandra on October 03, 2007, 09:19:19 PMIn a very great respect I lied to my wife and myself.  The marriage was founded on a lie that I maintained.  When I stopped living the lie, the marriage collapsed.  In that respect I feel I was a heel, a cheat.  I was not honest to myself or my wife.  And that devastated her.  If I have any real regrets about transitioning, it was that.  I am sorry for that.  And if there was a way to make that better I would do that.  No one deserves to be treated like that.

Girl, don't beat yourself up. If you lied to yourself, and actually believed it, that means you were deceived. I think you can hardly be blamed since the denial was imposed on you from early childhood when you had no defense or support. You're no less a victim of the lie than your wife, in fact you were oppressed by it much more than anyone, so I hope you can let go of the guilt and get on with healing, you have the rest of your life ahead of you.

Well, that's how I dealt with the same issue in my own life.

Quote from: kalt on October 23, 2007, 08:41:12 AM
If you'd like, use yourself for others in your predicament, but don't let some kids get on here thinking they can have robust chests and flaring hips by taking a few pills, it not only leads to risks of self medication and/or overdosing on medication but also the HIGH possibility of false hopes which will lead, inevitably, to the downfall of reality which will then fall heavily on the shoulders of someone ALREADY burdened enough by the reality of her situation and how society takes it and a self-identity crisis.  You getting kudos off falsely identifying your exact situation with others isn't worth the potential and very likely consequences.  I accept you as MtF in the sense that you're in an outwardly appearing male body but are female on the inside.  I accept that you're struggling and I'm not goign to pull some GLB bs and say that you're not in the same boat as we are.  But I will say that you're not biologically identical or even similiar to the detailed map of a male body trying to do a u-turn, and that saying you are whilst boasting amazing results is as bad as any athlete taking steroids and then boasting amazing stats.

for a start, younger m2fs can get 'robust chests and flaring hips from a few pills' TRY LOOKING AROUND NUBFACE...
leads to a risk of self med eh? well by the way, i started self medding as i couldnt get help, sometimes it needs to be done to survive, and i hate the way its deamonised in the ts community of perfect rulefollowers... surely we of all people can understand the NEED to do certain things...
please look at some m2fs... these high hopes HAPPEN... not in every case, no, but there are MANY 'younger' trans folk who get a LOT of change and become gorgeous and unreadable, and they dont start hrt at `14.... thats bs, because if so, every male would have a beard at 14. and you KNOW this isnt the case...
nope, i get my 'kudos' from giving my insight, and helping people, im bruitally honest, which is needed around here sometimes to kick this 'lack of reality' into touch, which is scarily common.
'outwardly apearing male body' <-- well, the only male bit left from those insignificalt pills is the penis... the rest of me is female :)
ive seen amazing results of hrt, in NON IS Folk, i wouldnt champion young transition if it didnt... the sooner you start hrt, the more amazing your change. you dont have to be prepubecent. or is... look around, hormones control a LOT in us, are you even on hrt kalt? what is the effect of your strenuous working out on your testosterone levels? i dont think YOUR the ideal m2f proponent either...
your certainly doing a good job of lowering everyones expectiations simply because you feel you wont get any change...
this entire topic seems to be a newbies ego trip into the community... why are you running a topic on young m2fs when you yourself arent in the best position literally or experience wise?
dont go to war with me kid, it can get bloody...
R :police:

Quote from: cindybc on October 23, 2007, 10:47:20 PM
"WOOF, WOOF!"

Cindy

MEANIE!

Posted on: October 24, 2007, 09:50:59 AM

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Quote from: shanetastic on October 24, 2007, 01:56:15 AM
I'm still not on your list Kalt!

Gimme zeh stats!

Posted on: October 24, 2007, 09:51:26 AM

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Quote from: Rachael on October 24, 2007, 07:45:44 AM
for a start, younger m2fs can get 'robust chests and flaring hips from a few pills'

Yes, because there's millions of 8-10 yr old MtFs. ::)

QuoteTRY LOOKING AROUND NUBFACE...

Ad hominem, FTW!

Quoteleads to a risk of self med eh? well by the way, i started self medding as i couldnt get help, sometimes it needs to be done to survive, and i hate the way its deamonised in the ts community of perfect rulefollowers... surely we of all people can understand the NEED to do certain things...

And we're supposed to listen to someone like you?

Quoteplease look at some m2fs... these high hopes HAPPEN...

I have.  Considering my personal experience happens to be backed by the literature of PROFESSIONALS, I trust you'll be able to support yours?

Quotenot in every case, no, but there are MANY 'younger' trans folk who get a LOT of change and become gorgeous and unreadable, and they dont start hrt at `14.... thats bs, because if so, every male would have a beard at 14. and you KNOW this isnt the case...

Your train of illogical conclusions is astounding.

Quotenope, i get my 'kudos' from giving my insight

As an intersexed individual to male to female individuals who don't share your body and don't have the bonuses you do.

Quoteim bruitally honest

Dillusional

Quoteive seen amazing results of hrt, in NON IS Folk

Once again, please provide some kind of support for this besides your word.

Quotethe sooner you start hrt, the more amazing your change.

As is general knowledge

Quoteyou dont have to be prepubecent. or is...

EVIDENCE!!!

Quoteare you even on hrt kalt? what is the effect of your strenuous working out on your testosterone levels? i dont think YOUR the ideal m2f proponent either...

Yes, I am, and I have absolutely no clue what this statement ment.

Quoteyour certainly doing a good job of lowering everyones expectiations simply because you feel you wont get any change...

No, I'm being honest and I'm asking you to not act like a kid.

Quotethis entire topic seems to be a newbies ego trip into the community... why are you running a topic on young m2fs when you yourself arent in the best position literally or experience wise?

Wow, you're full of it.
since when was this topic for MtFs only?  How is this topic full of egoo?  In fact, this entire SITE is about ego, and you're full of so much ego that you can't even keep a realistic approach.  You'd ratehr go bragging about your amazing results from self-medication and chance leading others to do the same thing instead of biting the bullet and saying, "I'm sorry, you're right."

Quotedont go to war with me kid, it can get bloody...

Bloody annoying, outrageous, like talking to a spoiled 8 year old.

Quote from: kalt on October 24, 2007, 09:03:09 AM

for a start, younger m2fs can get 'robust chests and flaring hips from a few pills'

QuoteYes, because there's millions of 8-10 yr old MtFs. ::)

<-- uh, no

Quoteleads to a risk of self med eh? well by the way, i started self medding as i couldnt get help, sometimes it needs to be done to survive, and i hate the way its deamonised in the ts community of perfect rulefollowers... surely we of all people can understand the NEED to do certain things...

QuoteAnd we're supposed to listen to someone like you?

No, your supposed to look at reality

Quoteplease look at some m2fs... these high hopes HAPPEN...

QuoteI have.  Considering my personal experience happens to be backed by the literature of PROFESSIONALS, I trust you'll be able to support yours?

This research which is on how many young trans people? As my understanding follows, there is VERY little research on the effects of hrt on the young. 80% of research is on the over 30s...
if your telling me the 'a cup size smaller than natal women'
or 'that hrt cant change voice or facial hair', then im afraid your research is outdated.

Quotenope, i get my 'kudos' from giving my insight

As an intersexed individual to male to female individuals who don't share your body and don't have the bonuses you do.

Quoteim bruitally honest

QuoteDillusional

no need to decend to petty namecalling. Im honest, as anyone who knows me will say. you dont, and id thank you not to comment on my mental state or honesty...

Quoteive seen amazing results of hrt, in NON IS Folk

QuoteOnce again, please provide some kind of support for this besides your word.

look around kalt, you might see one or two examples  ;)...

Quoteyou dont have to be prepubecent. or is...

EVIDENCE!!!

QuoteNo, I'm being honest and I'm asking you to not act like a kid.

I honestly dont see how im acting like the child? your doing a fine job of destroying anyones hope of sucessfully passing as female from hrt. which is proven to make a lot of difference at a young age. read most young ts boards and hrt topics...

I dont want to argue with you kalt, its honestly boring, but your claiming im delusional, when your doing the exact polar of me...
and my being IS doesnt change things THAT MUCH, do your research properly. i dont care to be called 'special' 'different' or 'not like us' by  anyone.
R :police:

Quote from: Rachael on October 24, 2007, 07:45:44 AM
the sooner you start hrt, the more amazing your change...

As far as I know, that's not proven whatsoever (unless you catch puberty changes). It's just one of those things "everyone knows..." but no one can point to any real evidence for.

We've all seen the threads on it. Someone posts "only the young get great results," and a dozen older TSs post back about their wonderful changes from HRT. I'd hate for older gals/guys to think HRT is a lost cause for them. It's not. FAR from it.

Look, I'm pretty old for this thread, being 43. But before HRT, The Public saw me as a guy. A year of HRT and they see me as a girl. At 6'2", without makeup ever, without frilly clothes. Not bragging, as I'm pretty darn homely and masculine in features, but HRT apparently worked well enough - even at my age - to offset those things.

There's always hope. Always.

~Kate~

Quote from: Kate on October 24, 2007, 03:51:38 PM

Look, I'm pretty old for this thread, being 43. But before HRT, The Public saw me as a guy. A year of HRT and they see me as a girl. At 6'2", without makeup ever, without frilly clothes. Not bragging, as I'm pretty darn homely and masculine in features, but HRT apparently worked well enough - even at my age - to offset those things.

There's always hope. Always.

~Kate~

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Kate and your beholder is biased.  From the pictures and everything else I've seen from you, you are beautiful in every way.

Cindi

Rachael, considering I'm the one with an ass. in health science, majoring in endocrinology, and currently have a career based around the health sciences, I'm fairly certain I'm more of an authority than you are on this subject.
Furthermore, you've made several claims which you've yet to back up.  Most specifically,
1) Intersexed transsexuals are biologically the same as non-intersexed transsexuals
and
2) There are 'plenty' of cases in which HRT has had astounding cases of robust chests and flaring hips on non-intersexed MtF transsexuals
and
3) Statements made by current professionals in the transsexual care industry such as, "expect to grow a cup size smaller than your mother/sister on average" and others are false.

I expect either an apology and a concession of your outragous statements, or undeniable proof that is not based off, "well I've met a few."

Would the two of you please stop it? Neither of you is really helping anyone.  I feel this thread itself has lost its purpose past page 3, and I know I haven't really done much about that, but you two bickering isn't helping this thread out either.  Sorry for my outburst but I am rather upset right now.

Quote from: Kat on October 24, 2007, 05:08:23 PM
Would the two of you please stop it? Neither of you is really helping anyone.  I feel this thread itself has lost its purpose past page 3, and I know I haven't really done much about that, but you two bickering isn't helping this thread out either.  Sorry for my outburst but I am rather upset right now.

Your hair looks amazing, seriously!^_^

And nope, this thread holds truer to it's purpose than McDonalds does to heart disease!

concede? no appologise? certainly not.
the term 'robust chest' and flaring hips is your phrase, i simply gave my measurements, which are by FAR within normal... infact i know curveyer 'normal' mtfs... 36B-30-38 ISNT that curvy...
the cupsize smaller one HAS been discounted as over cautious and generally aplicable to older transitioners in SOME cases...
carear in health sciences?
i thought you were just out of college and joining the marine reserves?
ive also studdied A&P and medical science prior to my current degree...
and intersex transitioners being different depents on the type of intersex condition, not all IS people have an easier time... you and your sources should already know this...
i agree, back on topic, this is tedious now... i wouldnt be upset if a mod delted all this...
R :police:

Quote from: Rachael on October 24, 2007, 05:56:52 PM
concede? no appologise? certainly not.
the term 'robust chest' and flaring hips is your phrase

Dno't try to back out of it that way.  You did not simply give your measurements, I used that term and you then used it in your response.

Quotecarear in health sciences?
i thought you were just out of college and joining the marine reserves?

Think again, I'm a personal trainer who's well-certified and still a fulltime student.

You haven't proven anything, you haven't backed up your statements, and you haven't said anything that you can back up.

Thread locked. Enough bickering, tyvm.

Dennis