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This is very interesting, I have seen a report of a lion that is supposed to be female, but has a mane and acts like a male. ->-bleeped-<- in animals maybe?  ;)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2221401/Okavango-Delta-Meet-transexual-lioness-thats-growing-mane.html#comments

I usually avoid comment section of anything on the Daily Fail, but I'm not surprised to see far less hate for an animal that might be trans than for a human.

Wow so interesting   :o
I love lions, they are big and fluffy but dangeros and strong  :laugh:

The mane idea of this article made me roar with approval. I wonder if the lion is from Katmando. No, maybe they were just lion to us. That would be a cat-tastrophy. Purr...purr!
Moni

If it was human they would all be like "Bt.....Bt ite hayz too ex chomozomes ad fat myks ite ayy fnale"  ;D

The lion is just confused, mentally ill, and seeking attention.  GOD  DOESNT MAKE MISTAKES

I actually felt myself growing stupider writing that.

Seriously, animals that exhibit behavior that suggest a transgender root have been experimentally duplicated.  Scientists know how it works.  It is simply a fact and remains a fact even if the perpetually ignorant close their eyes and plug their ears to reality.


Sapere Aude

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on January 24, 2016, 04:46:09 PM
I usually avoid comment section of anything on the Daily Fail, but I'm not surprised to see far less hate for an animal that might be trans than for a human.

Damn.....Leave it to T.K.G.W. to tell it like it is.... :D

My dad even treats animals better than me. Not that I dislike his pit, but she might as well have been his child instead of me. But maybe its better it didn't turn out that way or she would have suffered the same fate....

Not sure if it qualifies but I have a Maltese, she has never taken to her own kind. Since she was little, she has had an attraction to stuffed animals. During heat she finds all the little animals and mothers them, constantly crying if they make noise! The rest of the time she enjoys humping the bigger stuffed animals on a daily basis.

When she was younger we tried to mate her several times but she would attack and dominate the males then grab a stuffed animal and begin humping it in front of them.

It really does make you wonder, she even has the large dogs in check for she constantly proves her alpha status even though she is smaller than a cat. It truly is funny watching a german shepherd and a Great Pyrenees submit to her.

Quote from: Deborah on January 27, 2016, 08:58:47 PM
The lion is just confused, mentally ill, and seeking attention.  GOD  DOESNT MAKE MISTAKES

I actually felt myself growing stupider writing that.

Seriously, animals that exhibit behavior that suggest a transgender root have been experimentally duplicated.  Scientists know how it works.  It is simply a fact and remains a fact even if the perpetually ignorant close their eyes and plug their ears to reality.

What do you mean "experimentally duplicated"?

Sapere Aude

I have read of experiments where the pre-natal hormone levels were altered and when born the animals exhibited cross-sexed behaviors. If I remember correctly it was done on rats and I think some sheep.


Sapere Aude

Probably technically an intersex condition, as this seems to be an individual born with external genitalia that are "female" in appearance but internally they have some sort of hormonal/genetic mix-up which causes them to have excess amounts of testosterone and thus develop a body shape and size that is more male-typical.

Technically being trans can't really be applied to the animal world, since animals don't have the same socially-imposed binary system of gender that we do, and therefore they lack the ability to "transition" from one to the other or "identify" as one or the other because they can't really conceptualize either social gender roles or body dysphoria, they simply are what they are, feeling what they're feeling. Like, how do we know whether these masculine "female" animals identify as "male" or not? How do we know they're a Buck Angel or Chaz Bono and not a K.D. Lang or a Brittney Griner / Caster Semenya? In the animal world, their behavior simply speaks for itself, and we're just taking their genital configuration at face value, we generally don't do chromosomal/gender testing on them, assuming that vagina=female and penis=male. So basically what would be "trans" to us would basically be indistinguishable from individuals who would be "butch" or intersex or even just tomboys in human culture. You can't really ask animals why they're acting in gender-atypical ways, and you really don't know what's causing body anomalies, even though it happens all the time, and for the exact same reasons why it happens in humans, which would include the trans* spectrum.

No. The term trans isn't really appropriate.  What happened in the experiment was the animals were born with the normal DNA and sexual organs of one sex but they exhibited the mating behaviors of the other sex suggesting the brain of male subjects was feminized and of female subjects masculinized by the introduction of cross sex hormones in utero.   Because animals don't speak we can't ask if this included an altered gender identity, if animals possess that level of consciousness at all.


Sapere Aude

Quote from: Deborah on January 28, 2016, 02:23:50 PM
I have read of experiments where the pre-natal hormone levels were altered and when born the animals exhibited cross-sexed behaviors. If I remember correctly it was done on rats and I think some sheep.

Rhesus monkeys too.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3146061/

Actually, my little Schnauzer has been seen wrapped around bras and panties of mine; perhaps it is time to conduct some empirical research and come up with a hypotheses  :-)

Really, I have found my underwear in the far reaches of my backyard, and we have a very big backyard.  He is the culprit (my three other dogs are innocent). 

Yes, except for one, my five kids have paws  :-)

Be safe

Marlo

Quote from: Carrie Liz on January 28, 2016, 02:51:36 PM
Probably technically an intersex condition, as this seems to be an individual born with external genitalia that are "female" in appearance but internally they have some sort of hormonal/genetic mix-up which causes them to have excess amounts of testosterone and thus develop a body shape and size that is more male-typical.

Well I have a low T level my body is a eunuchoid type and I don't have any facial hair.  I think if we want to talk about transsexualism in a scientific way then, it really is an intersex condition itself.

Quote from: highlight on January 29, 2016, 02:34:31 PM
Well I have a low T level my body is a eunuchoid type and I don't have any facial hair.  I think if we want to talk about transsexualism in a scientific way then, it really is an intersex condition itself.

Agreed, it's possible, seeing as how more and more science is finding that the brains of transgender people are distinguishably between-sexes, resembling their identity gender in structure more than their "birth sex." And, well, seeing as how the definition of intersex is "intermediate in sexual characters between a typical male and a typical female," and it's very possible that this difference in trans people's brains is the result of pre-natal hormone exposure not full sexually-differentiating the brain, it could definitely be argued that ->-bleeped-<- is a form of an intersex condition. It's not officially recognized as such because there are generally no visible external differences in genital anatomy, but it's definitely possible.