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I've been searching extensively on literature of corsetry on MtF transsexuals with the aim to slim the ribcage by both shrinking the muscles that expand it(obliques, intercostals) and pushing it in.

I think that the most important part of a feminine figure is the contrast in circumference from the torso to the hips.  It's not the waist alone that should be slimmed, but from below the breasts all the way to the top of the hip bones.

That said, does anyone have experience with slimming done by corsetry?

Is it possible, that with a very low bodyfat, extended corsetry over the years, HRT, and possible lower rib removal, that permanent changes could be achieved?

You can always remove rib bones surgically.

tink :icon_chick:

Lower rib removal? Do they really do that? I have heard that some people have had lower ribs broken and then worn a corset  during the healing process to have them heal in a new, narrower position, but I've never heard of having them removed.  ???

Hi, Kalt, I have first-hand experience with corsetry and IMHO it works.

The ideal feminine symmetry is something that few women have and all would want.  As I see it, there is no real "cut-in-stone" ratio, like 36-24-36, that means that you're a woman and if you don't have it, you're not.

I suggest that you find a corset shop where you can be fitted as few of us are made for "off the shelf" corsets.  You should be able to try any corset on before you buy it.  I did and it turned out that my corset had to be custom-made to fit my frame.

Both men and women practice the "divine discipline" of waist training. 

Hope this helps.

Wing Walker

Quote from: tarasita on October 06, 2007, 09:20:34 PM
Lower rib removal? Do they really do that? I have heard that some people have had lower ribs broken and then worn a corset  during the healing process to have them heal in a new, narrower position, but I've never heard of having them removed.  ???

That sounds painful.

I wonder how much rib removal actually does for attaining the hour glass figure...

Posted on: October 07, 2007, 12:13:35 AM

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Quote from: Wing Walker on October 06, 2007, 10:53:17 PM
Hi, Kalt, I have first-hand experience with corsetry and IMHO it works.

The ideal feminine symmetry is something that few women have and all would want.  As I see it, there is no real "cut-in-stone" ratio, like 36-24-36, that means that you're a woman and if you don't have it, you're not.

I suggest that you find a corset shop where you can be fitted as few of us are made for "off the shelf" corsets.  You should be able to try any corset on before you buy it.  I did and it turned out that my corset had to be custom-made to fit my frame.

Both men and women practice the "divine discipline" of waist training. 

Hope this helps.

Wing Walker

Hey, could you please share some more of your experience, and knowledge of other's experience, on the forums please?
I'd really like to know, I don't want to be a permanent corset trainer, but if it's possible to see some good gains towards my goals then I'd go all out.

Quote from: Wing Walker on October 06, 2007, 10:53:17 PM
Hi, Kalt, I have first-hand experience with corsetry and IMHO it works.

The ideal feminine symmetry is something that few women have and all would want.  As I see it, there is no real "cut-in-stone" ratio, like 36-24-36, that means that you're a woman and if you don't have it, you're not.

I suggest that you find a corset shop where you can be fitted as few of us are made for "off the shelf" corsets.  You should be able to try any corset on before you buy it.  I did and it turned out that my corset had to be custom-made to fit my frame.

Both men and women practice the "divine discipline" of waist training. 

Hope this helps.

Wing Walker

It sounds a bit transvestite but if it works.......

As for rib removal.....I have heard of it a few times before but the pschiatrists at a well known London NHS clinic had never heard of it.......and desputed it when it was mentioned. I think they do it in Brazil but it's a bit complicated. I'm pretty sure that females have the same amount of ribs as males so maybe it's not the answer?

Hey, i wish there were "corsets" that mashed the shoulders together! :)

Quote from: Berliegh on October 07, 2007, 03:26:23 AM
It sounds a bit transvestite but if it works.......

Woah, you're on a site with hundreds of people who are suffering from the bigotry of others and you're finding time to still hold biases?
Ouch.

QuoteAs for rib removal.....I have heard of it a few times before but the pschiatrists at a well known London NHS clinic had never heard of it.......and desputed it when it was mentioned. I think they do it in Brazil but it's a bit complicated. I'm pretty sure that females have the same amount of ribs as males so maybe it's not the answer?

Yuo're right.
I think that the rib shifting would work better, breaking the ribs.

The thing isn't based off the numebr of ribs.  Female rib cages don't go down as far as male ones do.  So, with them both no going as far down and being narrower, the only way to modify to that standard would be to remove a few ribs and bring em in.
Unfortunately, the ribs attatch to the spine.  So, it'd be a highly risky operation.

Posted on: October 07, 2007, 10:40:07 AM

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Quote from: ketti on October 07, 2007, 05:19:53 AM
Hey, i wish there were "corsets" that mashed the shoulders together! :)

Lose the muscle, become a distance runner, don't eat much.

And, if you design your own corset, you could do that.
But, be careful.  Mashing the shoudlers together would likely screw up your rotator cuffs.

PS: they have them.   They're called, "straight jackets."

:-P

Quote from: kalt on October 07, 2007, 09:41:38 AM
Lose the muscle, become a distance runner, don't eat much.

And, if you design your own corset, you could do that.
But, be careful.  Mashing the shoudlers together would likely screw up your rotator cuffs.

i was talking about the bones and not the muscles. i probably use the wrong words. i think shoulders can refer to those things on your back? what do call the place where your arms attach? that is shoulder too? anyway the little muscle i have is just the minimum to move things around. they don't add anything to the bone really. i guess everything around the place where the arms connect is called shoulder. and if you reduce your muscles in that area the will look more petit. but the only thing i am conserned about is the with from one top of the upper arm to the other. only limiting factor there is the skeleton, and while the ribs are quite soft and easy to play around with, the same don't seem to hold for other places.
sorry for the confused post... ???

Quote from: tarasita on October 06, 2007, 09:20:34 PM
Lower rib removal? Do they really do that? I have heard that some people have had lower ribs broken and then worn a corset  during the healing process to have them heal in a new, narrower position, but I've never heard of having them removed.  ???

Oh yes, you would be amazed at what they can do.

http://www.aaronstonemd.com/RibRemoval.shtm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rib_removal

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Quote from: redfish on October 07, 2007, 09:47:37 AM
I like my ribs >>

Chicago, KC, Texas or Deep South style?

Posted on: October 07, 2007, 03:36:34 PM

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QuoteIt sounds a bit transvestite but if it works.......

The term transvestite is a pejorative. A lot of women wear corsets and tight-lace, it can be a fetish but bit is tied to the BDSM crowd more than anything, I have a $400 corset from Dark Gardens and  have been wearing it daily, it gives me awesome cleavage and an hourglass figure, somethng I never thought possible.

I am hoping it will reduce my waistline permanently.

I LOVE corsets. :) It is like being constantly hugged.

For play, service, and fun I have a really heavy duty one made by Stormy Leather. I will probably need to get a new one next year as I am now wrapping the laces around my body one and a half times and the gap in the back is getting smaller. Men and women love the way I look when I have it on, tonnes of compliments. :)

I will eventually throw about $600 or so into one that I can wear all of the time and be properly fitted.

Look up exercises to perform and tips on how to eat properly and what to stay away from (like carbonated drinks). If one wears a corset all of the time, you may eventually become dependent on them and yes, I have met such a person and her waist is way thin.

Go to a corset shop that specializes in corsets. As someone mentioned, you don't want waist train with off-the-shelf corsets. Over time, your body will change. I believe you must wear the corset 20 hours a day all the time. You may also want to partner to help you with adjusting the corset, taking it off and on, etc.

I have an off-the-wall PVC corset, but I only use it occasionally. It's a pain to get on since it's just with strings in the back and I need someone to help me put it on (some have snaps on the front, so you can easily remove it).

As for the ribcage stuff, I'm not sure where you can get that done. I would imagine that there are a lot of risks with that (and then again, so do corsets).

Actually, I've been drawing up a design for a non-boned, elastic corset.

I'm a former Period Dressmaker and Historic Dress Consultant, and I speak from experience in todays world, it's not fun to wear a period corset for more than a couple hours. A modern lightly boned one may be a bit more bearable for everyday use. You really have to have a serious passion and dedication to wear a corset everyday for a long time to see any results. Historically, girls where bound just after weening so there was far more potential for body modification in past centuries. Often it would change the silhouette by bringing in the wast and creating steeply sloping shoulders, you see this a lot in 19century paintings. Sorry for the boring history lesson, if you are interested in making your own corsets try...

:-*Corsets and Crinolines by Norah Waugh
:-*Waisted Efforts by Doyle
These are the best corsetry books available however Waisted Efforts is my favorite but very expensive I paid around $80.00ca for it.

Quote from: gothique11 on October 09, 2007, 07:50:00 PM
Go to a corset shop that specializes in corsets. As someone mentioned, you don't want waist train with off-the-shelf corsets. Over time, your body will change. I believe you must wear the corset 20 hours a day all the time. You may also want to partner to help you with adjusting the corset, taking it off and on, etc.

I have an off-the-wall PVC corset, but I only use it occasionally. It's a pain to get on since it's just with strings in the back and I need someone to help me put it on (some have snaps on the front, so you can easily remove it).

As for the ribcage stuff, I'm not sure where you can get that done. I would imagine that there are a lot of risks with that (and then again, so do corsets).

It took awhile to master the skill but I can put my corset on and tie it in the back in five minutes or less. I am rather proud of this as I see it as a feminine skill/trait.

So yes, I'm reviving this.

I'm seriously looking into tightlacing, because I've got a naturally large ribcage.  It makes for a great male figure, but not so much female one.  I've been using these walmart elastic waist slimmers for the past two weeks, I tried to put the m on my bare skin and got rashes, then discovered placing them over a tight shirt works best.  I am also easing into it fulltime, it's drastically improved my waist size already.  I was at 3% bodyfat but a 28 inch waist at 5'2, which is pretty bad.  So...

I don't know any local corsetry shops.

I was looking online at some stores, and found this site: www.corsetheaven.com

I was looking at some of the corsets, but don't have any advice on whether or not cinching the rib cage would actually shrink it over time, or if I should just focus on the lower rib cage.  What I mean is, binding all the way from below the breasts in front and an inch or two under the underarm in an attempt to bind more than just the lower ribcage in an attempt to shrink the entire torso, or if I would be better off focusing on just the lower rib cage.

If anyone has any advice on good online brokers, or corsetry shops on the southeast coast of USA, hit me up with it!

I'm also very interested in this. One of my clubbing buddies linked me to this eBay store recently which sells a bunch of corsets good for tightlacing. When I have money saved up again after getting back from my trip to Germany in February, I'm going to take the plunge and buy one. If I come up with anymore info before then I'll post back here! =)

:angel:

|Jessicka|

Quote from: Dark Angel on January 20, 2008, 12:38:47 AM
When I have money saved up again after getting back from my trip to Germany in February, I'm going to take the plunge and buy one. If I come up with anymore info before then I'll post back here! =)
|Jessicka|

Fitting is my primary concerns, I've already decided I'll be spending my tax returns on getting a quality corset.

Hi to everyone.  I'm new here and in the process of reading up.  Couldn't resist responding to a corset thread, though. 
I have a little experience with corsets, and if you're in the US, then Versatile Fashions is a great place to buy from.  Dark Garden and Stormy Leather are both excellent corset makers, too. 
I've had several corsets from Versatile over the years, and always been happy with them.  They're very well made and durable.  I've never bought from Dark Garden or Stormy Leather, but they have great designs and I've only ever heard positive comments about them.

As for some of the questions posted, I've collected answers to most of them over the years--

The modification of the lower ribs (the floating ribs) by a corset is possible, but requires pretty dedicated corset training (think about moving teeth with orthodontics-- you have to have braces for years sometimes).  Someone had mentioned 20 hours a day and that's pretty close to what you'd need. 

The same goes with waist slimming.  There's quite a bit of dedication required, but the shape a corset gives is just amazing. 

There are a few things to keep in mind, too. 
First, new corsets require a bit of a breaking in period, so that the boning can adjust to your body.  Cinching a corset closed when it's brand new can stress the bones and damage the corset.  Plus, you have to let your body adjust to it.  In most cases, if you've never corsetted before, you might only be able to wear it for an hour or two at a time. 
Also, you want to get a corset with a metal busk and steel stays.  There are a few different types of steel that can be used, and if I remember correctly, the spiral steel is the strongest.  Avoid corselettes if your goal is waist training/tightlacing.  Corselettes aren't made to deal with the stress of tightlacing and will break/rip/tear easily because they aren't reinforced the way a good corset is. 
A corselette is good for a waist reduction of about 2 inches from your current waist size.  A good corset should be able to reduce your waist anywhere from 2 to 4 inches.  Individuals who have been tightlacing for a while should be able to get as much as 6 inches off their waist. 
Last--A corset is not a good way to get into clothes that don't fit.  The bulk of the corset will add width to your torso and depending on the corset, to your hips, too.  Some jeans, etc. might not fit the same as a result. 

I've just bought a couple of corsets too. I've had them now for a couple of weeks. I found it takes some practice to put it on and lacing it yourself but I'm getting better at it! It still takes me about a 1/2 to 3/4 of an hour to fully lace it to where I want it. I tighten it until I feel some pressure but not too much, I wait 5-10 minutes then tighten some more I repeat this a couple of times more.
Never tighten it to the point where you have trouble breathing, never tighten it all at once, let your body get used to the compression.
I have to tell you I just love the way it feels on me and how it defines the shape.  ::)
rule of thumb: have your corset fitted, they are expensive!( 300 to a thousnd) If you buy one off the rack ( which is ok too, to start) buy it 4" smaller than your natural waist line. Some of these you can get for $300 or less.

Right now all I can tighten mine is about 2 1/2 -3" and still be comfortable.   I wear it for about 6 hours. That's all I can  take for now.  That's why they call it training.There's lots of info on the net about this. I did alout of reading about waist traing/ tightlacing before I bought mine.
There are a couple of good videos on "You Tube" about how to lace and tie the corset by yourself. Just enter "corsets", " lacing corsets" or "tight lacing". They all work to bring up those videos. :)
 

I'd like to maybe get into tight-lacing. The issue I have is, with an already pretty small waist (25 inch), if I do it with the intent of reducing waist by 4 inches, I doubt much of my clothes would fit anymore, or much of the clothes sold in shops, for that matter (unless I go and buy size 8-10 girl clothes, which would be too short for my 5'6" height).

Not like I have the money for a tight-lacing corset right now, but I'm looking into eventually having said money.

Quote from: Schala on March 09, 2008, 12:36:40 PM
I'd like to maybe get into tight-lacing. The issue I have is, with an already pretty small waist (25 inch), if I do it with the intent of reducing waist by 4 inches, I doubt much of my clothes would fit anymore, or much of the clothes sold in shops, for that matter (unless I go and buy size 8-10 girl clothes, which would be too short for my 5'6" height).

Not like I have the money for a tight-lacing corset right now, but I'm looking into eventually having said money.

You might be surprised.  Most of your clothes will probably look fine.  If your natural waist is 25, you might corset down to 21" at most, but you have to remember to take into account the thickness of the corset around your whole body.  In other words, your 21" waist isn't really going to be 21".  This is why a corset won't help you fit into skinny jeans or a dress that you already don't fit in (common mistake among women with wedding gowns, I guess). 
I find that even with a corset on, cinched down, clothes don't really fit better, but they look better. 
Think of the corset as a really nice girdle or other type of foundation garment to control any wayward, well, anything.  Got a bit of a spare tire from too much beer?  Corset! 

Alternatively, you could always go for a smaller reduction (i.e 2" reduction instead of 4").  Just don't cinch the corset all the way closed.  All the benefits, none of the weaknesses.  You won't have to worry about your waist being *too* small or anything. 

I'd also recommend trying one on, even off the peg if you have to, to get an idea of how it will look under your normal clothes.  A lot of good manufacturers have showrooms with sample corsets for trying on.  That's a great way to spend an afternoon. 
If that's not possible, I had some success with Vollers corsets off the peg.  Go for something that's a bit shorter.  Off the peg is nothing like a custom corset, but it can be a cheaper alternative if you're not sure you want to shell out a lot of cash. 

Why on earth get a corset if your already near the lower end
of the clothes fitting game,
in tall women clothes, there's nothing under 25 inch waist with 35 inch inch hips

The minimum waist is a bit smaller, 23 inch, for normal women's clothes,
still if I've already got a 26 inch waist, not much to gain by going down there.

In petite, I suppose you can get under 23 inch, but that's normally not usefull for
a MTF.

If you've got little hips and want to create a greater hip to waist ratio, then
I sort of understand it, but that's not my case. 26 inch waist, 37 inch hips.

Quote from: Keira on March 09, 2008, 11:07:38 PM

Why on earth get a corset if your already near the lower end
of the clothes fitting game,
in tall women clothes, there's nothing under 25 inch waist with 35 inch inch hips

The minimum waist is a bit smaller, 23 inch, for normal women's clothes,
still if I've already got a 26 inch waist, not much to gain by going down there.

In petite, I suppose you can get under 23 inch, but that's normally not usefull for
a MTF.

If you've got little hips and want to create a greater hip to waist ratio, then
I sort of understand it, but that's not my case. 26 inch waist, 37 inch hips.

25 inch waist, 32 inch hips here. So yeah, I could benefit in the hips department. I typically wear clothes that fit 32-33 inch hips and 24-25 inch waist (which are teen or girl (kid) clothes). Adult ones tend to be bigger in the hips and not fit or look a bit baggy. I have to wear child sized panties as well, size 12 panties (waist 25, no hip measure), as even small sized adult panties (size 5) are for hips of 36-37.

My Waist-Hip Ratio is about 78%, passable but skinny.

just warning. Corsets can potientally cause some health issues like liver problems, kidney and some more. Be a careful and proceed with caution. Do your research, Im serious, corsets have the potential to cause problems.  :-\

Tanya brings up a good point.  Corsetting can be uncomfortable, especially if you've never done it before.  Cinching your corset closed without allowing it a "breaking in" period is a surefire way to damage your corset or hurt yourself.  Numbness while wearing a corset is one symptom that something isn't right, and the corset should be removed right away (obviously).  Something as simple as improper fit can cause a problem like that.  That's why a custom corset can't be beat. 
The custom corsetieres I've dealt with won't usually just hand you a corset and hope you don't strangle on the laces.  :)
Good customer service will involve helping you be comfortable without risking your health. 

Quote from: Tink on October 07, 2007, 11:32:34 AM

Quote from: tarasita on October 06, 2007, 09:20:34 PM
Lower rib removal? Do they really do that? I have heard that some people have had lower ribs broken and then worn a corset  during the healing process to have them heal in a new, narrower position, but I've never heard of having them removed.  ???

Oh yes, you would be amazed at what they can do.

http://www.aaronstonemd.com/RibRemoval.shtm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rib_removal

tink :icon_chick:

NOT WORTH the risk. Better you stick to excersice and diet first and then corset safely if you want a slimmer waist.

Your ribs protect your organs!- If someone hits you, punches you, get a injury or in a car accident you can cause some serious damage to your organs. Then they will have to open you up and perform surgery on your organs which is very risky- maybe even amputate the organ if it fails.

I've been doing alot of reading about corsetrie and it is safe, providing you go slow at it and let your body adjust to it and the corset to you. Corsets will help define your shape depending on how long you wear it each day.
Some wear them 23 hrs a day and some 8 - 12 hrs. I found that when I wear mine, it seem to make my boobs look a little bigger and same for the hips. just the otherday I read that the corsets also help push some fat in those areas.
I have 2 underbust corsets, these are the kind that are recommended to waist train. When I wear mine, my regular clothes are too big. 2-3" really makes a difference, not to the eye so much but on your clothes it does.
Yes, a healthy diet and a good exercise program does aid in ones waist training.
It also gives you better results.
Corsets can and are a gorgous addition to ones lingerie or even fashionable as outer wear. I have one made of blue satin and the other is made of a black floral silk, both very soft and smooth to the touch.I feel very feminine when I wear mine.

So it's been quite a while now since I started this thread a long time ago!

I got a corset online, augmented to the measurements I sent in.  I should have gotten one 6 inches smaller than my natural waistline seeing as I'm already taking this one in 2 inches rather comfortable.
I got a small underbust corset, made even smaller cuz I'm a small person>.>  Most of my length though is still in my legs.

It's already friggin annoying.  But, I guess the rib training is all I'm in this for.

I don't find it too bad.  I can sleep in it, I guess the trick is to keep it on but loosen it when it's desperately needed.  I'll give it a few months and see how my results work out.  I might really get into this thing, my only draw back is that it's very hard to be active in these things.  I can't do much of anything without it creaking at me and when it does that I'm scared I'm damaging it, lol.  I mean, I paid $450 for this friggin thing.

So I guess I'll pose the question again, if anyone has gotten a more feminine waistline from tightlacing?  I mean a waist that is thinner than the hips as seen from the front?  Ya know, hourglass stuff?
Anyone know if a more heavily boned corset would hold through some workouts?  I might make a trip to a store and talk to someone about making a very heavily boned, secure one that doesn't go so low so I can move my legs around a bit when I exercise, basicly a corset just to exercise in.  Yar.

Posted on: April 13, 2008, 10:32:05 PM

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Quote from: Keira on March 09, 2008, 11:07:38 PM
If you've got little hips and want to create a greater hip to waist ratio, then
I sort of understand it, but that's not my case. 26 inch waist, 37 inch hips.

Heh, I've got you beat.  26 inch waist and 42 inch hips, got pretty big glutes from all teh powerlifting>.>
Still, I want a waist that curves in, not just one that's slim, hell I'm at a 3% bodyfat last time I was professionaly measured.

Quote from: Annwyn on April 13, 2008, 10:36:27 PM
So it's been quite a while now since I started this thread a long time ago!

I got a corset online, augmented to the measurements I sent in.  I should have gotten one 6 inches smaller than my natural waistline seeing as I'm already taking this one in 2 inches rather comfortable.
I got a small underbust corset, made even smaller cuz I'm a small person>.>  Most of my length though is still in my legs.

It's already friggin annoying.  But, I guess the rib training is all I'm in this for.

I don't find it too bad.  I can sleep in it, I guess the trick is to keep it on but loosen it when it's desperately needed.  I'll give it a few months and see how my results work out.  I might really get into this thing, my only draw back is that it's very hard to be active in these things.  I can't do much of anything without it creaking at me and when it does that I'm scared I'm damaging it, lol.  I mean, I paid $450 for this friggin thing.

So I guess I'll pose the question again, if anyone has gotten a more feminine waistline from tightlacing?  I mean a waist that is thinner than the hips as seen from the front?  Ya know, hourglass stuff?
Anyone know if a more heavily boned corset would hold through some workouts?  I might make a trip to a store and talk to someone about making a very heavily boned, secure one that doesn't go so low so I can move my legs around a bit when I exercise, basicly a corset just to exercise in.  Yar.

Posted on: April 13,

Why would you want a corset to workout in?  ???  Taking it off for the hour or two won't hinder your waist training at all. Besides that, It's much better to workout free of tight clothing and underware, That would be like wearing it in the shower or bath.  :)
You'll benefit more from your workouts without the body restrictions!
The waist training takes time, so that's why nobody answered your question about achieving that hour glass shape. You're probably looking at a year to a year and a half to get results. Workingout and wearing your corset could give you quicker results, not workingout while wearing your corset.  ::)

Karla B

You'll really only get a nipped in waistline (semi-)permanently after training for years.  I think the longest I've gone is maybe 2 years, but I had probably only pulled about 2" maximally.  I was corsetting down 4", but I think my waist just hadn't gotten used to holding that shape.  Just like working out, I found that my results sort of went out the window when I stopped training regularly.  I haven't trained in about 4 years.  I still wear a corset occasionally, though.  Just for fun, mostly. 

I wouldn't recommend wearing it while you exercise, especially because of the way it puts pressure on your internal organs, affects your breathing, etc.  Unless you're working out for more than your usual time out of the corset, I would just leave it off while you work out, and put it back on when you're finished.  If you do work out more than your time out of corset, I would still leave it off.  :)  You might not notice results from waist training as quickly, but it's better than the risk for potential injury. 

All I'm looking for is about 2-3 inches of permanent or semi-permanent reduction of the waist so that it actually gives a slightly hourglass appearance instead of just being flat.  I mean, anything would make a ginormous difference.  So I'm asking, is that gonna be able to happen, even considering like 1-3 years of training?  And when I do get to a shape I can be okay with, do I have to constantly train still or can I go like 2-3 days a week without the damned thing?

I'm looking for the same thing Annwyn... I've been told that lipo of the
waist can help. I don't remember who told me, maybe read it here but
this clinic is TG friendly and can make it happen for $3800:

http://www.dralanbittner.com/pricing.asp (http://www.dralanbittner.com/pricing.asp)

Amanda

Quote from: Annwyn on April 14, 2008, 12:44:17 PM
All I'm looking for is about 2-3 inches of permanent or semi-permanent reduction of the waist so that it actually gives a slightly hourglass appearance instead of just being flat.  I mean, anything would make a ginormous difference.  So I'm asking, is that gonna be able to happen, even considering like 1-3 years of training?  And when I do get to a shape I can be okay with, do I have to constantly train still or can I go like 2-3 days a week without the damned thing?

I'd refer you to Amy at wasp creations.  She's better suited to answer your questions, as what you're asking is outside my experience.  Here's (http://www.waspcreations.com/faq.htm#%20tightlacing%20permanent) some info you might find useful from her site.  I really trust her opinion.  I've never ordered from her, but she does great work, and she's been around for years.  <Wishes really hard for a Wasp Creations corset>
You might also try emailing her through her site if the FAQ doesn't sufficiently address your questions. 

Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on April 14, 2008, 01:15:21 PM
I'm looking for the same thing Annwyn... I've been told that lipo of the
waist can help. I don't remember who told me, maybe read it here but
this clinic is TG friendly and can make it happen for $3800:

http://www.dralanbittner.com/pricing.asp (http://www.dralanbittner.com/pricing.asp)

Amanda

I have 3% bodyfat.  It's my ribcage that's in the way of the hourglass figure.  I can get flat at BEST, but that's not good enough for me.  Just a little bit more and I'd be happy.

Quote from: Berliegh on October 07, 2007, 03:26:23 AM

As for rib removal.....I have heard of it a few times before but the pschiatrists at a well known London NHS clinic had never heard of it.......and desputed it when it was mentioned. I think they do it in Brazil but it's a bit complicated. I'm pretty sure that females have the same amount of ribs as males so maybe it's not the answer?

I just finished some research on this.

Rib removal is very dangerous and usually does NOT get good results.

There's thoracic scarring from the removal, and in many MANY times, the ribs try to regenerate and they can go askew. The doctors would have to remove the bud cells at the base of the ribs (we are talking about at the spinal column here!!!) to eliminate the propensity for the ribs to regenerate if they wanted guaranteed permanent removal. This means working at the spine and the vertebrae in the back to absolutely remove that biologically-ordained repair material.

Then there's the complication of blood flow and neural damage..it's not worth it.

There's also an elevated risk of infection as the intercostal musculature would also have to be shaved or scraped from the removed rib or the abdominal and thoracic silhouette would seriously be impaired when the muscles tried to move the rib(s) for NORMAL breathing. It's a messy, bloody operation at best.

Try it for yourself..just remove the ribs from your favorite dead animal prior to BBQ-ing it for dinner.

Pork ribs are said to be closest to human in form and function than most other animals.

Hence, cannibals call humans: "long pig". 

i have had a rib removed for surgical purposes - experimental scoliosis treatment.

You do not want a god damn rib removed, jesus christ don't be stupid.

the lingering physical pain from the amputation site and side effects (hey, organ trying to escape out my bloody stomach, or flesh sagging down into the gap in the ribcage while stretched out on my back) have been worse than the rods.

So rib removal sounds lame. Option B?  Kidnap pretty girl and do a brain transplant?:-)

tightlacing, corsetry?

Sounds too uncomfortable to me and I'm not too keen on discomfort.....isn't there other alternatives in gaining a better shape?

I looked into it and decided for me it was too much to wear every day for 16 hours. And the results
I believe go away if you do not continue to wear it after you have gotten where you want to
be. I'll just have no defined waist if that's my only choice. I do think for me lipo will help
to give me a bit of waist definition. My body fat is not where Annwyn's is, but I do
have a flat tummy but there is some fat on the sides that I think will make a difference.

Amanda

Quote from: Berliegh on April 15, 2008, 09:54:03 AM
tightlacing, corsetry?

Sounds too uncomfortable to me and I'm not too keen on discomfort.....isn't there other alternatives in gaining a better shape?

Yes Berliegh, there are, But they certainly wouldn't be my choice like Fat injections, Implants, Rib removal and god forbid silicone injections. So there isn't much choice than diet and exercise and or corsetry.
With the corsets you get used to it after a while. I would rather deal with the discomfort for a while than costantly have injections, getting sliced open and getting sick from silicone injections.  Nope that's not for me and I certainly wouldn't recommend it.

Karla B

Quote from: Karla B on April 15, 2008, 10:26:49 AM

Quote from: Berliegh on April 15, 2008, 09:54:03 AM
tightlacing, corsetry?

Sounds too uncomfortable to me and I'm not too keen on discomfort.....isn't there other alternatives in gaining a better shape?

Yes Berliegh, there are, But they certainly wouldn't be my choice like Fat injections, Implants, Rib removal and god forbid silicone injections. So there isn't much choice than diet and exercise and or corsetry.
With the corsets you get used to it after a while. I would rather deal with the discomfort for a while than costantly have injections, getting sliced open and getting sick from silicone injections.  Nope that's not for me and I certainly wouldn't recommend it.

Karla B

Karla...I would hate it...I wear tight tops and tight jeans and I wouldn't want something like that cutting into me. Besides it might show through and that would look rediculas if I was out somewhere....

I just saw a woman on Oprah who holds the Guinness World Record for the smallest waist . 15 inches. She wears the corset 23 hours per day and has been doing so for years. She says she wears it for everything, including fishing.  Interesting picture.

http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200801/20080130/slide_20080130_350_110.jhtml

But I thought, as she was walking away that her body looked very deformed. I am not sure how to explain it but it looked like curve of her buttocks and hips were much lower than they should be; as if there were some other body part with which I am not familiar inserted between that tiny waist and the beginning of the hips. Not just an inch or two but more like 10 inches. Weird.

she's kinda fat.

srsly, even though it's thin up there, it's all down there.  like eeew.

Quote from: saraswatidevi on April 15, 2008, 05:08:10 PM

But I thought, as she was walking away that her body looked very deformed. I am not sure how to explain it but it looked like curve of her buttocks and hips were much lower than they should be; as if there were some other body part with which I am not familiar inserted between that tiny waist and the beginning of the hips. Not just an inch or two but more like 10 inches. Weird.

It's not the greatest angle, but it looks like Cathie's corset has a stem waist to it.  Not a big stem, but it still looks like it's there. I think that partly contributes to the unusual appearance that you noticed. 
The other thing I think that makes it look unusual is the way Cathie's abdomen is accented.  Her waist is much smaller than it would be normally, even with a corset.  The bones in the pelvis don't compress, and you can't compress the abdomen too much, so Cathie has a much more exaggerated line between waist and hips.  At the abdomen, you can't compress that much, since your guts are in there.  You can squish your waist as much as you want, but you can't squish your guts.  :P

That's extreem! wow! I don't think that looks very attractive. :P  She probably needs to wear it for 23 hrs to keep her standing strait, If she took it off she might kink over.  :laugh:

Karla B