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Will a republican president be able to really persecute us?  All the candidates have made it clear that they will be coming after us with a vengeance and I'm truly frightened. Especially frightened that republican president will give psychopaths the impression that's it's ok to kill us without reprocussions and a slaughter will ensue.  How much power will a republican president have to come after us?  Seriously

I pity the fool who comes after me.

If someone tries to go after me, I will defend myself. Simple.

Kate <3

He really won't have that much power and while he can slow or stop positive change for a while I don't really think he could turn back the clock to the dark ages like many of his followers would like.

The bigger concern as I see it is that a Republican win will be seen as a mandate for all the state and local social conservatives.  They do have the ability to make life miserable with an acceleration in socially repressive laws. 


Sapere Aude

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 31, 2016, 05:58:29 PM
I pity the fool who comes after me.

Same here.

I don't worry about that crap. If someone comes at me, they will regret it. So, I'm not concerned. I also don't care about any laws that some bigot in a fancy suit attempts to pass. They can go get stuffed for all I care. I will continue to live my life, no matter what.

If a Republican wins, I'm moving out of the country and claiming asylum, lol.

As a distant but interested observer of US politics it seems to me, over the last few elections anyway, that the GOP candidates vying for the presidential nomination do a lot of frothing and foaming at the mouth in order to win the vote of their constituents involved in the primaries or caucuses. Once they have that nomination and are running for President they do seem to moderate their message somewhat in order to appeal to a broader base. Like a lot of Presidents that get in, be they Dem or Rep their promises and agendas seem to get blunted pretty quickly through the political reality of the system. Doesn't mean they won't have trans people in their sights though.

Quote from: Ms Grace on January 31, 2016, 06:15:25 PM
As a distant but interested observer of US politics it seems to me, over the last few elections anyway, that the GOP candidates vying for the presidential nomination do a lot of frothing and foaming at the mouth in order to win the vote of their constituents involved in the primaries or caucuses. Once they have that nomination and are running for President they do seem to moderate their message somewhat in order to appeal to a broader base. Like a lot of Presidents that get in, be they Dem or Rep their promises and agendas seem to get blunted pretty quickly through the political reality of the system. Doesn't mean they won't have trans people in their sights though.

Exactly. They need your vote, they don't need you. The people who believe their promises will find themselves disappointed.....and still living next door to icky LGBT people!  :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn

I am also more concerned about the actions of a Republican president's fans than the president himself. A president could make things harder, but the people I interact with could make life miserable for me because they suddenly think they are entitled to do so. While I would try to be tough and defend myself if anything happened, I know I wouldn't be ready for every situation. I am certainly not the toughest person around and I shouldn't have to fear the world around me like that.

This probably sounds super wimpy, but my dude and I have pretty much established we're moving to Canada(until the presidency of such heinous person is over(most likely Trump)). We could stay and fight for the left during it, but you know I think to would just be too crazy of a country to live in I dunno

As much as Presidents like to think they have a lot of power, they don't. We live with a system of checks and balances as designed by the founding fathers. Congress and the Supreme court have far more power than the President does. Yet, all three have equal power with each other. Secondly, anything that violates our rights or endangers us the Supreme Court could easily find it unconstitutional. I wouldn't worry to much about their beliefs. A ton of what they say are just talking points and nothing more. Now time for me to put my moderator hat on.

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Mariah

Quote from: Amy1988 on January 31, 2016, 05:51:33 PM
Will a republican president be able to really persecute us?  All the candidates have made it clear that they will be coming after us with a vengeance and I'm truly frightened. Especially frightened that republican president will give psychopaths the impression that's it's ok to kill us without reprocussions and a slaughter will ensue.  How much power will a republican president have to come after us?  Seriously

Quote from: Mariah2014 on January 31, 2016, 06:35:17 PM
. . . anything that violates our rights or endangers us the Supreme Court could easily find it unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court routinely splits 5 to 4 on its decisions.  Sometimes the winning side is progressive, and sometimes it's reactionary.  But it's often 5 to 4.

The next President will appoint one and possibly as many as three judges to the Court.  The most likely to retire is Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who is in her 80s and a two-time cancer survivor.  She has been a steadfast champion of women's and LGBT rights.  If a Republican appoints her successor, the tenor of the Supreme Court is about to change.  Even worse if there are multiple appointments.

From a Court characterized by 5 to 4 rulings, some good and some bad, a Republican President may have the opportunity to change that to a steady streak of 6 to 3 rulings, all of them toxic.  Future majority opinions involving LGBT rights may end up being written by Scalia, or Thomas, or Alito.  This could have the effect of poisoning the US legal system for many years into the future.

so if one certain person wins there could be some problems because he has made it perfectly clear that the LGBT is immoral .

I don't think Donald will be as bad as people think.  He clearly stated that gay marriage is the law of the land and he will not change it. The people have spoken. He may have a hands off approach and focus on the economy and national security, which is what the president needs to do.

Don't count Bernie out! Obama got elected twice and he is black and  progressive. The political climate has REALLY changed in America. Bernie is the only strongish pro trans canidate.

I believe that Hilary will throw us under the bus.  Anyway, why isn't hilary in jail?

Quote from: Marieee on January 31, 2016, 06:28:25 PM
This probably sounds super wimpy, but my dude and I have pretty much established we're moving to Canada(until the presidency of such heinous person is over(most likely Trump)). We could stay and fight for the left during it, but you know I think to would just be too crazy of a country to live in I dunno

Yeah I've thought about moving to Canada and seeking asylum myself.

Ted Cruz is the great evil.  Ted stated that he supports the death penalty for LGBT.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/post_10496_b_8544540.html
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-cruz-vows-fight-gay-rights-extremist-conference-call


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brace yourself for a biblical apocalypse . You think what happened in Houston was a fluke.

Quote from: stephaniec on February 01, 2016, 09:08:43 PM
brace yourself for a biblical apocalypse . You think what happened in Houston was a fluke.

Certainly reason for concern.

Cruz just won Iowa

http://www.cnn.com/

Quote from: stephaniec on February 01, 2016, 09:40:30 PM
Cruz just won Iowa

Yup and I'm like WTF?
A man far worse than Trump just won! The man reminds me of Hitler.
I may need to get a passport and go to Canada.

I may need to change my name to 'run-Alice-run'

As a republican I too have been wondering what might happen. I share the same thought process as Mariah. So many have made great strides and advancements that it will be difficult to take them from us.
I see someone not getting the republican nomination the other one getting mad (Cruz or Trump) and starting a third party. The votes get divided and a Dem takes it. I am still not even sure if Cruz can be POTUS, and this coming from a lifelong republican. He might have birth place issues. Now how ironic that he might have birth place dysporia.
Many of us served for everyones rights and they will not be taken away easily, you can rest assured of that.

Beth

Quote from: soon2b on February 01, 2016, 10:03:00 PM
As a republican I too have been wondering what might happen. I share the same thought process as Mariah. So many have made great strides and advancements that it will be difficult to take them from us.
I see someone not getting the republican nomination the other one getting mad (Cruz or Trump) and starting a third party. The votes get divided and a Dem takes it. I am still not even sure if Cruz can be POTUS, and this coming from a lifelong republican. He might have birth place issues. Now how ironic that he might have birth place dysporia.
Many of us served for everyones rights and they will not be taken away easily, you can rest assured of that.

Beth

rights were denied in Houston so it's really not that big of leap.

Congress only had to pass a law outlawing what the execuative order does to remove execuative orders. Meaning anything can be undone.

I don't really see much difference in Trump or Cruz winning over each other so I would react to both of them the same. Cruz is obvious with his hateful rhetoric and Trump is also... most of the time. The one place I see him beating around the bush is with anything related to LGBT. I keep seeing LGBT people support him because he doesn't openly hate them, but he has openly mocked trans people at least once and he has claimed that he would consider turning gay marriage back to a state-by-state decision. This to me states that he has an anti-LGBT agenda that he is trying to cover up. He will throw us under the bus once he wins because then he doesn't have to win our vote anymore.

No, I'd be afraid of a Republican president today no matter which of them wins. One is serving himself and the other is serving his corporate overlords. They are both against us.

Quote from: stephaniec on February 01, 2016, 10:21:37 PM
rights were denied in Houston so it's really not that big of leap.

Good point. That is part of the battle not the war. Having grown up in Houston I am unfortunatly not shocked. Mega churches are a dime a dozen there just like we have Focus on the Family in my area. They have a big influence. Most advancements will have to take place on a federal level, like marriage equality.

Huckabee (2008), Santorum (2012), Cruz (2016)... The evangelical christianist always wins Iowa because the evangelical christianists show up at caucuses. I want Cruz to win the nomination because he would lose the general in a defeat of Goldwaterian proportions, and maybe take the House and Senate with him.

When you cut through the BS, America is really a liberal country.

Quote from: diane 2606 on February 01, 2016, 10:44:49 PM
Huckabee (2008), Santorum (2012), Cruz (2016)... The evangelical christianist always wins Iowa because the evangelical christianists show up at caucuses. I want Cruz to win the nomination because he would lose the general in a defeat of Goldwaterian proportions, and maybe take the House and Senate with him.

When you cut through the BS, America is really a liberal country.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-sanders

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-cruz-vs-sanders

I like statistics.  Your statement is comforting.

Either which way we need Bernie!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/ted-cruz-obama-administration-support-for-trans-school-aged?utm_term=.tuk5B18yA7#.ks6QZAkvMw

Ted Cruz: Obama Administration Support For Trans School-Aged Children Is "Lunacy"

During an appearance on conservative radio show Louder With Crowder, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz addressed transgender rights — saying it was "lunacy" for the federal government to mandate that "boys with all the god-given equipment of boys" share a shower room with school-aged girls.
Cruz was talking about Islamic extremism during his appearance posted online Thursday, when host Steven Crowder pivoted to the issue of "genetically proper pronouns."
"Well listen, senator – I don't mean to say you're out of touch, because you're dealing with it politically, but we're talking about a generation of people who get offended if you use the genetically proper pronouns," said Crowder. "So getting to the point of calling something Islamic terrorism is a little further down the trail."
"Look, these guys are so nutty that the federal government is going after school districts, trying to force them to let boys shower with little girls," Cruz replied. "Now listen: I'm the father of two daughters, and the idea that the federal government is coming in saying that boys, with all the god-given equipment of boys, can be in the shower room with junior high girls – this is lunacy!"
"And I bet you there are a whole lot of parents – particularly parents of daughters – that are not eager to have the federal government saying 'Guess what? Your daughter has to shower with a boy, if he wants to be in there,'" added the senator.
Cruz added later in the interview, "You know, the funny thing is, my five-year-old knows there's a difference between boys and girls. And yet modern Leftists can't figure that out."

11/19/2015

Clinton wins Iowa

Well, it depends on the Republican. If it were Colin Powell running, I expect we'd be alright at the end of the day. One of the ones currently running though? Then I'd say that we would be well and truly ******.

I would rather have a republican pres who will put Americans back to work over a democrat who gives us more debt. The only reason billy boy Clinton had surplus during his 8 yr term was because the republicans held him in check. Look to Detroit and you will see what social policies do, they cause massive debt and ruin. I know govt for I've studied how our govt is suppose to work and all democrats have given is is debt.

Quote from: WorkingOnThomas on February 09, 2016, 10:39:31 AM
Well, it depends on the Republican. If it were Colin Powell running, I expect we'd be alright at the end of the day. One of the ones currently running though? Then I'd say that we would be well and truly ******.

Oh definitely. Republican politicians have been a mixed bag in the past just like any political party, but both sides are too polarized now to allow that to happen any more. I'm usually more moderate and I'd vote for both sides in the past, but I can't really do that any more. I'm registered as a Democrat now and I plan to follow through completely because I can't even fathom what the Republican party has turned into now.

Sticking to just the social issues...

Once the fundamentalist viewpoint tries to reign in equal rights, the pendulum abruptly swings back.

Let them try to squish our rights. They'll succeed in this election cycle with a whole bunch of bathroom initiatives to try and get out their voters. Ultimately they will lose and in a much faster timescale than if they just left things alone. Republicans are most effective when they try to 'conserve' things, not take them away.

Remember proposition 8 in California where they squashed gay marriage? It went to the supreme court and started an avalanche of cases in the most fundamentalist states starting with Utah. Now gay marriage is legal in all states. As a minority, the T's are following up on the coat tails of gay rights. I am thankful to the gay community. We are pretty small and quite frankly don't get together much. We couldn't turn out fifty of us for a protest.

Okay, social issues off:

I'm far more concerned about short term things that an all Republican government might do, like hacking up social security, health care, or brashly taking us in to unneeded conflict.

Cindi

Sounds like a lot of you prefer Russia to America.

If the Republicans win, darkness will descend upon the earth,  monsters will roam freely leaving havoc in their wake, and the people will raise their voices in cries of despair invoking their Deities to undo the great evil they have released from the fiery pits of hell.

Ok, maybe that's a slight exaggeration but I'm bored and feeling hyperbolic at the moment.


Sapere Aude

Deborah you must have meant democrat, for the democratic party stripped us from being a republic

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