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Title: "Coming out" with a natural sounding condition
Post by: makipu on February 18, 2016, 09:40:05 PM
I am not entirely sure how other people here define the term 'coming out' but for my question;
I am specifically referring to:
Stating the fact that  I am actually a male to the people who knew me in the past as otherwise (it could be within the family/relatives or friends, strangers, etc)

But the DIFFICULT part is, I am not a person who would just say that and educate them about the condition as well as sharing my sufferings/feelings....
So for example, saying something like this is unacceptable for me:
I identify as male/I never identified as female/ my preferred pronouns are 'he' , and certainly the word 'trans' is a no-no.

Because what I am actually looking for is REASONS that will sound NATURAL maybe like :

I don't have enough hormones (T) hence I look androgynous, or if there is a specific intersex condition that fits me.

Basically it should be believable.  That is my ideal.
But could there even be any reasoning if a cis male had humongous hip shape..? I probably can't back up such distorted torso.

Perhaps this question is awkward but this is really the only way I find acceptable.  Maybe some of the other stealth people here have suggestions?
Title: Re: "Coming out" NATURALLY ?
Post by: Ms Grace on February 18, 2016, 10:10:32 PM
I you're already presenting as male I don't see there's a need to tell new people anything - saying nothing is better than trying to spin a story by saying you're intersex if you're not or cis male with a genetic condition.
Title: Re: "Coming out" NATURALLY ?
Post by: purplewuggybird on February 19, 2016, 01:06:07 AM
The only aspect I would think you would need to tell anyone about is if they slip on a pronoun. Then you can correct them. But other than that, I cannot imagine a reason that you would need to tell them about your birth gender.


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Title: Re: "Coming out" NATURALLY ?
Post by: makipu on February 19, 2016, 10:21:56 AM
I think that the specific point I was trying to make was missed.  I have absolutely no intention of coming out to people who are new but I am referring to the ones from my miserable past who knew me as a "female" .  And if I were to encounter them, I don't want to say that I am actually male when I have nothing to back it up.So in other words, of course they're not going to believe me.  I mean why would they, if I said nothing to correct them before?  If they're open minded, sure they will respectfully call me male but that doesn't do much for me because it's not believable.

That's why I was talking about medical conditions because those stories are what I myself accept personally  instead of the actual cursed bodily  evidence of me having the female part down there, because I just CANNOT acknowledge or accept such horror connected to me. I just can't.

For reference, if I put on the binary person's view, I don'tthink I present male because I  completely ignore the constructed binary stereotypes of how a male is supposed to look like.
So from my experience so far, passing is like a 50-50 thing depending on the person's eyes.
Title: Re: "Coming out" with a natural sounding condition
Post by: KathyLauren on February 19, 2016, 12:42:00 PM
I can't recommend making up stories.  If the whole truth is too much, then tell just enough of the truth that they need to know.  Fiction and real life don't mix well.

I would suggest just telling them, "I'm male."  If they need more explanation than that, add, "Like Caitlyn Jenner in reverse."  The latter is a reference point that most people will get.
Title: Re: "Coming out" with a natural sounding condition
Post by: Amy413 on February 19, 2016, 03:29:39 PM
In my personal adventures trying to explain things to myself I have learned that the 23rd chromosome is subject to a significantly higher mutation rate compared to the other 22. This is due to the somewhat 'sloppy' way nature produces semen. It is the window in which nature allows variation.

It has been observed in research that genes can jump from Y's to X's and X's to Y's. There are many genes that turn on and off various 'male/female' body features, which are just geometric variations on the same parts. One can only speculate as to what sort of 'rainbow' of effects this can have on the child born. But look around, those effects are right in front of us.

This is not just a feature of humans, but how things are done genetically for all species that reproduce by combining two members of that species, resulting in a 3rd. This process has been occurring for quite some time here on earth.

Species have different functionality depending on various conditions, look at the grasshopper/locust. If population numbers are out of balance with the overall system. Things happen within species to balance that system.

The earth is one complete living organism which we are but cells of.
And is also a cell of a much larger organism.

Where am I going with all this?

I see my gender as something completely natural.
There is a LOT more to the "X" and the "Y". Things are not black and white in the world of dna.
Nature has a reason people are born the way they are.
We humans get all arrogant thinking we somehow know better than nature when we shoot someone down and tell them how it "should" be.

I am what I am world, deal with it.

PS:
I actually have seen cis males born with larger hips.
And plenty of cis females with tiny hips needing a c-section.
Science is still trying to figure nature out.
Title: Re: "Coming out" with a natural sounding condition
Post by: Amy413 on February 19, 2016, 03:51:33 PM
Come to think of it. As an artist, I enjoy studying the human form, I have seen SUCH a wide variation of body shapes and sizes and proportions.

There is absolutely no consistency out there whatsoever.
That's why I enjoy studying the human form so much, i never know what I will see next!
It's amazing really.

The sad part is we are all somehow stuck with the silly "man-woman" prototype image in our head, which honestly I have not seen accurately represented by all the humans I have placed eyes upon. Not even close.

"man"?
"woman"?

Just words. Categories to place people in and play off of each other. We are human, capable of the whole spectrum.

... added...

Sorry folks, I'm like this. I get an idea in my head an go with it. I am very visual and I'm describing a picture in my head.

Looking at the geometry of the pelvic bone, it's seems it would just develop naturally over the years into anything to balance out the rest of the stature. No so much riding on male or female, though that does play a role depending on hormone level. But the overall collection of movements someone makes while growing will direct that bone to form in one way or another. It all rides on what you do and how you move over your first couple of decades.
Over time the body will naturally form the bones and muscles to balance most efficiently.

Skeletons are really interesting.