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Title: 6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities
Post by: stephaniec on February 29, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/02/femmephobia-queer-community/

Everyday Feminism/February 26, 2016 by Brynn Tannehill

"Someone once said that most people only have just enough empathy to accept themselves. I've found that to often be true, particularly within the LGBTQIA+ community.

While working on transgender military issues, I cannot tell you the number of time that I've heard some lesbian and (mostly) gay people who suffered under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," turn right around and oppose open transgender service. "
Title: Re: 6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities
Post by: suzifrommd on March 01, 2016, 02:46:25 PM
Read all the way through nodding copiously before I realized who wrote it.

My hero and role model Brynn Tannehill hits another one out of the park.
Title: Re: 6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities
Post by: Ms Grace on March 01, 2016, 03:05:37 PM
Great article.

QuoteTransgender women are frequently accused of caricaturizing women if they present as too femme, but have their identities questioned if they present in a less femme way, with considerable overlap between the two.

As a result, transgender women often have no way of safely expressing their gender without it serving as a basis to reject them either way.

Sadly way too true.
Title: Re: 6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities
Post by: Lilian J on March 01, 2016, 03:50:22 PM
Sadly many men and women still see femininity as  a social construct to hold people down and masculinity as the natural model for existence rather than just different ways of relating to the world.

The earliest thing I can remember is internalizing the lesson that girly things are bad (me dressing as bunny for halloween at 4) and boy things are good (my rough and tumble older sister wrestling with my dad) and my sister learnt the same lessons and has a hard time enjoying anything feminine about herself (feels frivolous) to this day.



Title: Re: 6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities
Post by: Asche on March 02, 2016, 10:05:53 AM
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Transgender women are frequently accused of caricaturizing women if they present as too femme, but have their identities questioned if they present in a less femme way, with considerable overlap between the two.

As a result, transgender women often have no way of safely expressing their gender without it serving as a basis to reject them either way.

Not to mention stigmatizing people (of whatever gender) who just like "feminine" stuff or like presenting femme.

Of course, it's not just trans women who get dumped on for this.  "Bronies" (men who like My Little Pony) get dumped on because only little girls are allowed to like My Little Pony.  Gender policing is everywhere.
Title: Re: 6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities
Post by: stephaniec on March 02, 2016, 10:25:58 PM
Did Susan Sarandon's son just come out as a brony?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/02/10/did-susan-sarandons-son-just-come-out-as-a-brony/

Pink News/By Joseph Patrick McCormick    02/10/2016

"Probably much to the joy of bronies everywhere, their club now has a celeb member in the form of Susan Sarandon's son."
Title: Re: 6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities
Post by: Peep on March 03, 2016, 03:37:48 PM
I thought the problem most people had with brony culture is that they are adults who can be hostile towards women and little girls that also like MLP

plus the sexualisation of the ponies? Which is uncomfortable when they were designed for children/ leads to children being exposed to things they don't understand

I'm not sure that the problem's entirely to do with it being men/boys like something feminine but tbh I only know second hand info, so... ?
Title: Re: 6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities
Post by: Hikari on March 04, 2016, 06:44:21 AM
This is a pretty good article, I have seen it all firsthand. Most people who aren't close to me don't know that I am a transwoman, I found a sort of pseudo stealth ended up being the best practice for me but that doesn't really insulate me from femmephobia only from outright transphobia.

I tend to dress feminine and conservative mostly, as some of my friends would tease "as if you're going to church with your husband". That is by the way meant as a pejorative, since I am an exclusively homosexual woman, who is also an atheist and a socialist. There is this expectation that due to how I present myself I must be less commited to these things somehow. Also, people seem shocked when I tell them things that seem "smart" as if women who wear dresses are meant to be dumb. Likewise people are surprised when I take control of a situation expecting me to be an unambitious follower who just needs to get home to my children, yet short haired women without makeup are expected to take charge.
Title: Re: 6 Ways Femmephobia Is Harming LGBTQIA+ Communities
Post by: Asche on March 04, 2016, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: Peep on March 03, 2016, 03:37:48 PM
I thought the problem most people had with brony culture is that they are adults who can be hostile towards women and little girls that also like MLP

Not that I've heard.  I'm sure there are a few jerks among bronies, although it's rather contrary to the whole MLP ethos.  Nearly all of the hate I've heard towards Bronies is about how they're unmanly and probably closet perverts just for liking "little girl" stuff.  I'm guessing that what you've heard is stuff made up by brony-haters.

Quote from: Peep on March 03, 2016, 03:37:48 PMplus the sexualisation of the ponies?...

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