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Everyone in the US needs to step up against any of these type new laws or politicians. Just as human beings to allow more equality among all people. This is not funny in lots of SE states. Speak Up.

Yeah.. My home state, North Carolina, is a little embarrassing.  Glad I moved to Alaska.  :)

My prediction: The first time these laws meet a Federal court they'll be overturned (14th Amendment equal protection? Attorneys?). In the meantime, I've peed in a couple public restrooms in North Carolina since the law went into effect. There were no pee-pee cops guarding the doors.

Quote from: diane 2606 on April 14, 2016, 10:05:00 PM
My prediction: The first time these laws meet a Federal court they'll be overturned (14th Amendment equal protection? Attorneys?). In the meantime, I've peed in a couple public restrooms in North Carolina since the law went into effect. There were no pee-pee cops guarding the doors.

It's so stupid really. Pee pee cops guarding a bathroom. Yea like that's all the have to do. Surely your Gov. will back down if enough ppl let him know.

Quote from: diane 2606 on April 14, 2016, 10:05:00 PM
My prediction: The first time these laws meet a Federal court they'll be overturned (14th Amendment equal protection? Attorneys?). In the meantime, I've peed in a couple public restrooms in North Carolina since the law went into effect. There were no pee-pee cops guarding the doors.

Diane, I may visit Raleigh in a couple of months to see my plastic surgeon, Keelee MacPhee. I sure do not want any trouble. Do you know her my chance? If you are close to Raleigh maybe we could chit chat while I'm in town. Good luck there in the meanwhile.

I was just passing through NC, driving from Charleston to home in Ohio. The governor is a republican so ppl don't matter to him, only corporations (technically people too, I guess—thanks Mitt). Gov. McCrory is the face of the problem, but the state legislators are the culprits. They'll have to pass a bill rescinding the measure, or more likely, a Federal court judge will find it unconstitutional when the challenge gets that far up the food chain. 

Quote from: diane 2606 on April 15, 2016, 08:47:12 AM
I was just passing through NC, driving from Charleston to home in Ohio. The governor is a republican so ppl don't matter to him, only corporations (technically people too, I guess—thanks Mitt). Gov. McCrory is the face of the problem, but the state legislators are the culprits. They'll have to pass a bill rescinding the measure, or more likely, a Federal court judge will find it unconstitutional when the challenge gets that far up the food chain.

To me it's time the people stop that kind of stuff, not wait on some federal judge. Enough already you know. More of us need to speak up!!!! Stop this stuff dead in it's tracks.

Quote from: FrancisAnn on April 15, 2016, 09:06:13 AM
To me it's time the people stop that kind of stuff, not wait on some federal judge. Enough already you know. More of us need to speak up!!!! Stop this stuff dead in it's tracks.

It's an election year. The solution is to elect an abundance—hell, a massive majority—of progressives (Democrats, Socialists, whatever) to city, county, state, and federal legislatures, who are more interested in real people than in religiously self-righteous lunatics.

If you can't get that done, you'll have to wait on a Federal Judge. It may take a year or so, but it will happen.

Quote from: diane 2606 on April 15, 2016, 09:59:31 PM
If you can't get that done, you'll have to wait on a Federal Judge. It may take a year or so, but it will happen.

There is a case in the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals regarding a high school student in Virginia who is not being allowed to use the boys restroom in his school.  Depending on how the court rules and how they write the decision, they could invalidate any bathroom laws in South and North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland and DC.  It would stand a good chance of then being appealed to SCOTUS. But with a divided court, who knows if they would issue a writ of certiorari.

i am really glad my home state of Georgia did not go down this path... at least we got one thing right this year.

Quote from: kiteless on April 17, 2016, 04:25:02 PM
i am really glad my home state of Georgia did not go down this path... at least we got one thing right this year.

That's good to know, I'm just west of you. Miss is trying to pass some junk laws along with Tenn. Damn.

Quote from: kiteless on April 17, 2016, 04:25:02 PM
i am really glad my home state of Georgia did not go down this path... at least we got one thing right this year.

Yes, at least our governor used his head and vetoed that ridiculous bill.  Apparently the governors of North Carolina and Mississippi only use their head to keep their ears from slamming together.

How in hell are any of these laws to be enforced? The states where they have been enacted don't have enough money in the state coffers to competently educate children, much less put pee-pee police on duty at every public restroom in the state.

Let's take a look at a hypothetical situation. An MtF who passes about 50% of the time needs to use the facilities while shopping at the local mall. She enters the ladies room, proceeds directly to an empty stall, then locks the door and does her business. After flushing and, most importantly, making sure the back of her skirt isn't tucked inside her pantyhose, she exits the stall and goes directly to the sink to wash hands. So far, so good, right? But now comes the danger point. A cis-woman at a nearby sink, while looking in the mirror, realizes her expectation does not match her reality at that moment. If she doesn't bodyslam our mythical transperson onto the cheap tile floor (ouch), our heroine can simply exit the restroom and proceed on her business; her sole remaining challenge—the mall cop. At that point it's probably best to find someplace else to shop.

Obviously there are variations on this scenario, and the slim possibility of being arrested exists. But that's worst case. Transwomen who function successfully in their daily lives are unlikely to be challenged. Women's restrooms are more social than men's rooms, but generally no one gets into anyone else's business. If you're unlucky enough to encounter the town busybody, leave.

The one thought I'd like y'all to remember is:
These measures are all for show, 'cause they ain't got the dough.



*Those of you not in the United States must be laughing your butts off at us. I don't mean to make light of the situation, but the likelihood of bathroom laws surviving legal challenge is really slim. Until that day comes, some will find using public facilities daunting. I sympathize. Ultimately we win, they lose. Hang tough.

I've only had someone say something once, and it was the day after I got my new license with my new name and gender marker. This woman said "you're in the wrong bathroom" I pulled out my license and pointed to the "F" and said "no I'm not" and walked out.

I really don't understand how they intend to enforce a law like this. I pass most of the time, but like everyone else I do get read from time to time. My driver's license says female. Are they going to do genital inspections? Are they going to require people to carry their original birth certificates? Are they going to run SSN history?

Do they seriously think that the law will actually work for it's stated purpose? Is there a sexual predator out there that is thinking "well I was going to go into the woman's restroom and assault someone, but now they have passed this law I can't"?

This practically unenforceable law is nothing but pure hate. It saddens me that we seem to be moving backwards on civil rights in some parts of the country.


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The 4th Circuit has ruled students must be allowed to use the restroom consistent with their gender identity.  This will, in effect, void the portion of NC's HB2 applying to schools.