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Does anyone know where this procedure is legal? Do any of the good states to live in like CA, NY etc. have laws that can help with this?

I think you need to define voluntary euthanasia, under what circumstance and how. It is a very complex issue.

Quote from: Cindy on April 28, 2016, 03:44:10 AM
I think you need to define voluntary euthanasia, under what circumstance and how. It is a very complex issue.

Basically euthanasia through informed consent.

Quote from: Jean24 on April 28, 2016, 03:57:56 AM

Quote from: Cindy on April 28, 2016, 03:44:10 AM
I think you need to define voluntary euthanasia, under what circumstance and how. It is a very complex issue.

Basically euthanasia through informed consent.

Euthanasia for what? Because I have a terminal illness that has no hope of cure? Because I want voluntary suicide because I'm sad?

Quote from: Cindy on April 28, 2016, 04:10:21 AM
Basically euthanasia through informed consent.
Euthanasia for what? Because I have a terminal illness that has no hope of cure? Because I want voluntary suicide because I'm sad?

Euthanasia because I'm going to die. Why does it concern others which way it happens?

Why are you going to die?

What can be done to help you?

How can we alleviate the pin?

Do you have pain?

Why are you depressed?

Euthanasia is always a last resort - some who are going to die of a terminal illness that is slow and painful choose euthanasia over that, whereas with depression and other mental illnesses there are cures and you have a chance to recover - through therapy and/or medication.

There's a lot of moral issues with euthanasia, and when it is appropriate, and when it comes down to it most people have very different and usually strong opinions.

In my personal opinion, if someone has no quality of life and no chance of recovery, I personally believe that it is appropriate.

As far as I am aware, it is possible to travel to some places in the US and elsewhere for euthanasia, although I am sure many places have strict procedures and policies for who qualifies for euthanasia and who does not. From what I have heard, therapy is also required before the procedure to access your mental state.


Here is a link as to where it is legal. (http://www.newhealthguide.org/Where-Is-Euthanasia-Legal.html) I strongly advise that you only consider this as a last resort,  and if you are needing support for mental illness there are always places can be contacted in your general area.


Mental health hotlines in the US (http://www.healthyplace.com/other-info/resources/mental-health-hotline-numbers-and-referral-resources/)

Quote from: Cindy on April 28, 2016, 04:43:17 AM
Why are you going to die?

What can be done to help you?

How can we alleviate the pin?

Do you have pain?

Why are you depressed?

I'm noticing your signature right now. Right to die is also a human right. I feel if someone came here and asked those sorts of questions with the intent to stop someone from transitioning, you would have something to say about it. I'm just looking for information and I haven't mentioned anything about my medical or mental health status.

I most certainly would not deny you the right!

Indeed in my profession it mat be suggested I have helped people walk that path. But at the appropriate time.

I was also very suicidal for a long time and was just wondering if your desire/concern on euthanasia may be alleviated so you can live a happy life.

Quote from: Cindy on April 28, 2016, 04:55:35 AM
I most certainly would not deny you the right!
Indeed in my profession it mat be suggested I have helped people walk that path. But at the appropriate time.
I was also very suicidal for a long time and was just wondering if your desire/concern on euthanasia may be alleviated so you can live a happy life.

I understand. However I'm fine with this. I'm no longer interested in exploring waiting/coping as alleviation.

Thanks for the information Meowt.

I reached a point of going to leap out in front of a train.

I made choice, transition or die. It was hard.

I didn't leap in front of the train.

I gained a life I love. I never expected it.
Maybe you can?

Why can't you?

Quote from: Cindy on April 28, 2016, 05:25:51 AM
I reached a point of going to leap out in front of a train.
I made choice, transition or die. It was hard.
I didn't leap in front of the train.
I gained a life I love. I never expected it.
Maybe you can?
Why can't you?

Well I don't want any of that whether I can get it or not.

I don't know of any places that allows it legally. The fact is I had to make a decision, like Cindy, to live or die. I chose to live. I have been on my deathbed before. I know what is like and the fact remains to this day choose to live. It meant I had to transition to do so, but fact is transitioning and living as me was preferable to diving. I know it may seem difficult, dainty or plane to much to deal with at this point. Why is that you want to give up so badly as to want Voluntary Euthanasia? Hugs
Mariah

Quote from: Jean24 on April 28, 2016, 05:42:02 AM
Well I don't want any of that whether I can get it or not.

Actually several US states and several nations do have provisions for death with dignity.   I believe all of them do restrict medical/medication assistance to terminally ill people.

I am a strong supporter of death with dignity and intend to call my own shots when the terminal time comes.  Suicide as a response to depression is another matter entirely. 

The depths of despair and depression some feel may induce them to consider a way out.  Suicide is a permanent solution to what is often a temporary situation.  There are so many better alternatives with options to feel better rather than just gone....

Quote from: Mariah on April 28, 2016, 07:28:34 AM
I don't know of any places that allows it legally. The fact is I had to make a decision, like Cindy, to live or die. I chose to live. I have been on my deathbed before. I know what is like and the fact remains to this day choose to live. It meant I had to transition to do so, but fact is transitioning and living as me was preferable to diving. I know it may seem difficult, dainty or plane to much to deal with at this point. Why is that you want to give up so badly as to want Voluntary Euthanasia? Hugs
Mariah

I just don't want to live anymore, and I'd prefer to have help so it can be done correctly. Why can't I chose something different than what you chose?

I at one time reached the point of suicide or life/transitioning. I decided if life didn't work, I could always come back and finish the job. The first two therapist didn't really do the job but the third one saved my life. Now instead of suicide, I want to live forever.

As decision to take your life or transition is something that should be discussed with somebody else or a therapist. Often we are so deep in depression that we need someone who can view the facts objectively without the depression. The depression isn't forever and it can be treated. I looked at your posts from three years ago when you first came to the board and you were working on completing your service so you could get started. You have stayed with us these years and until a short time ago, you wanted to transition. What is troubling you and why did you change your mind. Possibly we can help you solve the problem what ever it is.

Big hug, Jean! You're a warrior like me, why do you want to stop fighting?

When life kicks me, I like to kick it back!  >:-)

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Dena on April 28, 2016, 05:57:48 PM
I at one time reached the point of suicide or life/transitioning. I decided if life didn't work, I could always come back and finish the job. The first two therapist didn't really do the job but the third one saved my life. Now instead of suicide, I want to live forever.

As decision to take your life or transition is something that should be discussed with somebody else or a therapist. Often we are so deep in depression that we need someone who can view the facts objectively without the depression. The depression isn't forever and it can be treated. I looked at your posts from three years ago when you first came to the board and you were working on completing your service so you could get started. You have stayed with us these years and until a short time ago, you wanted to transition. What is troubling you and why did you change your mind. Possibly we can help you solve the problem what ever it is.

I don't want to be transgender anymore.

Sadly that isn't an options but if the transition is a problem, blockers can reduce the feeling so you would be more comfortable in a male life style.

The other question is what change your mind? I know I had a good deal of fear getting out the door as Dena. That is normal and nothing to be ashamed of. If you still want to be Jean we can help you with that. Once you are out the door and in the world you will become comfortable in your new life.

I suspect your service ended a short time ago and now you are facing the fact that it's time to make a decision. It's not easy to do. My time of the decision came when I found the therapy group my third doctor ran. I had several weeks of 2 hours of sleep a night deciding if I was going to stay with the group, would I transition, could I transition and what do I do now. The end result of all those sleepless nights was to transition, a decision I have never regretted.

You have given a portion of your life for your country and now it's time for us to help you find a new life. How can we help you find your new life.

Maybe I should just be a real jerk to prove a point and get what I'm asking for anyway. I could kill a few folks in a death penalty state which could have been avoided if only doctors were allowed to do what I asked for in the first place. Sounds about as ethical as sending a butt ton of people to force me to live and suffer when I don't want to.

Look up Charles Manson some time. If killing people gets you the death sentence, it can still take years before it's carried out.

I understand you are hurting but there are two options we can offer. The blockers will reduce the transgender feelings you have. We have several members on the site I know of who don't which to transition and are using HRT to take the edge off the feelings they have. Some have done this for as long as 8 years the last time I looked.

The other option is some form of transition. I know it's not an easy option but I tacked it about 36 years ago without the benefit of Susan's and I was able to succeed. You have access to far more resources than I could have dreamed of and you can transition as fast or as slow has you wish.

I know that between the two life options, there is a way to find happiness and freedom from what you are feeling. Death will bring you nothing and you have fought so hard and so long to reach this point in your life where you can be happy for the first time in a long time.

Pick an option other than death and lets discuss it.

Well I have been transitioning and I don't want those opinions. I guess I'll have to ask for help with what i want somewhere else.

You have your answers on where it's legal. You could just stop taking food and water. What's your reason for wanting someone else involved in the process? And I still want to know why you don't want to fight anymore.

Hugs, Devlyn

As far as I know, what you seek isn't informed consent. The doctors will want to know that everything that can be done for you has been done. In a case of a terminal condition, that's pretty easy to do. In your case where you no longer want to live, that's near impossible in this country. I didn't offer that to you because I don't think it's available in this country.

If you are unwilling to explain why you suddenly changed your mind on this site, you most likely wouldn't do it in life. In the few countries that might allow euthanasia for mental reasons, the would also want to understand why before helping you.

You are free to ask elsewhere but I doubt if you will find it.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 28, 2016, 07:48:45 PM
You have your answers on where it's legal. You could just stop taking food and water. What's your reason for wanting someone else involved in the process? And I still want to know why you don't want to fight anymore.

Hugs, Devlyn

I don't think I have the discipline for that and I would prefer for it to be as quick and painless as possible instead of being drawn out. And I just don't want to fight anymore because I want to be at peace.

I've looked in the abyss, there isn't peace there. There's no answers there, there's just nothing.

You probably don't want to go on because of past experiences, but the abyss only takes away what might be without changing anything at all. If you could fix one thing in your life, what would it be?

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Dena on April 28, 2016, 07:56:53 PM
As far as I know, what you seek isn't informed consent. The doctors will want to know that everything that can be done for you has been done. In a case of a terminal condition, that's pretty easy to do. In your case where you no longer want to live, that's near impossible in this country. I didn't offer that to you because I don't think it's available in this country.

If you are unwilling to explain why you suddenly changed your mind on this site, you most likely wouldn't do it in life. In the few countries that might allow euthanasia for mental reasons, the would also want to understand why before helping you.

You are free to ask elsewhere but I doubt if you will find it.

Well if no reason could possibly be valid in your eyes there's no use in disclosing them. But since yoi have such a problem with the  to die, I hope you at the very least leave the moderating of trolls who degrade and question transgender rights to other moderators. I mean the person emphasizing human rights in their signature is the first one who comes to deprive me of mine. That's pretty odd to say the least.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 28, 2016, 08:18:56 PM
I've looked in the abyss, there isn't peace there. There's no answers there, there's just nothing.

You probably don't want to go on because of past experiences, but the abyss only takes away what might be without changing anything at all. If you could fix one thing in your life, what would it be?

Hugs, Devlyn

I realize that's what comes next and I'm fine with it. But I do see it as peace because there I am no more. I'd want to have the courage to jump in front of a train, or off of a bridge, and the other hazardous places I frequent. But I don't and that's why I need help doing it.

Quote from: Jean24 on April 28, 2016, 08:22:51 PM
Well if no reason could possibly be valid in your eyes there's no use in disclosing them. But since yoi have such a problem with the  to die, I hope you at the very least leave the moderating of trolls who degrade and question transgender rights to other moderators. I mean the person emphasizing human rights in their signature is the first one who comes to deprive me of mine. That's pretty odd to say the least.

Most people have treated me well but twice I have had them damage my life pretty bad. I was pretty bummed out for days afterwards but I picked up the pieces of my life after they were done and found another path. It's not easy to do but it can be done. The best revenge is showing them that they can't destroy you and that you can find a life without them.

The people who attack us are few in number and I think the will face judgement sooner than latter. We are far better understood by the population than you might think. I am all over town meeting many people and I have been treated with respect. I have also been around a good deal of the country, one time dealing with as many as 4,000 people over the period of a week and a half and again, I never had any difficulty with them.

When I was where you are at the point of suicide, I didn't place much value on my life. It was only after I finished my transition that I saw how valuable the gift of life is. I can take pleasure with a walk on a nice day, the excitement of a thunder storm blowing it or simply doing a favor for somebody that makes their life better.

I feel that nobody should leave this life unless they have made every effort to live it. There are other ways to escape the pain that you feel but I can't help you unless you work with us.

Jean24,

I got up in the middle of the night(my time) and saw and read through this thread. I thought I would not post here. Partly because I am pretty newly active here and don't have a vast experience but also because you and I have very little in common(outside of being transgender and both joining this site). You have been on the path longer than I have; you are about half my age; I have never been in the military...

The main thing we have in common is true of everyone that has posted in this thread(except maybe Tessa James & Meowt- I only put them as exceptions because I don't know whether they have or not). We have all been on the very edge of suicide. Same as you. I am early enough that I don't have an inspiring story to help you along. I am not so far from that ledge myself. I might try to talk you out of it but more in a reaching out to a sibling in this condition we share. I think that is part of the root of what all these people who are reaching out to you is similarly about.

I don't think anyone is trying to deny you anything nor label you as  troll. I don't think there is self righteous motivation behind any of the replies. They are just doing what feels right for them. As are you. However, it does feel as if you are lashing out at others for doing that.

Meowt passed along the information about countries and states have legal, doctor assisted suicide. That is what we are talking about. I looked some of the stipulations over. At the very least they require access to doctors but that the patient be competent which suggests they have to be under the supervision of some sort of psychologist or mental health professional. It will take a while. Speaking of which, are you currently visiting a therapist? If so, have you brought this up to them?

I am going to be bluntly honest. I think all of us know what would have set us off to get to the same point. However, I think we are trying to find out what brought you to this place. Most transgender people don't just want to end their life. There is more to it than that. They were trying to get to the root of it and help you move beyond that. I understand you are tired. Tired of fighting, tired of trying(maybe), tired of the looks or comments(maybe), possibly angry. So many, complex, exhaustive possibilities. I am so sorry you feel that hopeless right now.

I guess that is the point of this rambling post. Our posts are not to thwart you. They are not to deny you. They are not to choose for you. Our posts just show that we have not run out of hope for ourselves or you yet. There is room for you here and you are not alone. Even among strangers and people with whom you have little in common. That little you have in common with us is huge. It makes us family. I am a little embarrassed to include this paraphrase because it is from a SciFi TV show. "When you can't run, you crawl. When you can't crawl, you find someone to carry you."

I hope you get some rest and some relief from the things that are plaguing you. I also hope you reach out again.

Sincerely,

Joanna