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I am not trolling at all this is a very serious question. Me personally I don't give a damn what people think about me, all my friends love me and my girlfriend adores me and that's all that matters to me but one thing I notice is that here as well as on other forums presumibly anyone that disagrees with trans people or gay people is automatically considered transphobic or homophobic no offence but I disagree yeah there are people out there who hate the lgb and the   T but in my oppinion just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate you, its a free country you don't have to agree with everything, that's like saying because I don't agree with my friends smoking or drinking that I hate them yes I might not like it but not liking something vs hating something are 2 completely different things I don't agree with a lot of the things my gf does for Gods sake but it damn sure don't mean I hate her ILoveThatGirlWithAllMyHeart and she knows it and Vice Versa she doesn't agree with half the stuff I do but she  damn sure doesn't hate me and SheLovesMeWithAllHerHeart and then to say that not only do they hate the lgb and the    T also fear it? I am not afraid of gay people or other trans people, or to say that they don't understand it, what's not to understand, you like the same sex or gender by all means be happy, whatever floats your boat but I am sorry I have to respectfully disagree on that and as a transguy I do personally feel that homosexuality is being pushed to hard, yes everyone deserves free will as I said above, do you, whatever makes you happy but you can't push it down everyones throats and then get mad when someone says they disagree cuz in reality most people could careless who you are sleeping with and to me its just not logical. I realize I may get a lot of poo for this post but I wanna discuss this without arguing because I have respectfully stated my oppinion.

Honestly, no offense intended to you, but usually when I hear a question like that, it's being asked by a bigot. While I agree that people can be quick to say something is offensive to this or that group these days, almost everyone I've ever had to argue about trans rights with will say something akin to that, you know, "I'm not being hateful. I just disagree with you..." and then immediately say something like, "I don't care what your son identifies as, he shouldn't be in the bathroom with my daughter"

and its like, yeah, dude, you really are being hateful and ignorant. it's kind of like when someone prefaces a statement with "I'm not racist, but.."

and as for homosexuality being pushed too hard? like lol idk where you live, but I know people who have been fired for being gay within the last year.

p.s. you might want to work on your spacing. kind of hard to read

EDIT:I found this article insightful, I think it's relevant here https://www.susans.org/2016/04/26/difference-controversial-discourse-hate/

I've noticed this trend too, and it's pretty disconcerting.  More often than not, I find myself of having to be careful about getting offended when someone disagrees with LBGT individuals.  Seeing so many in the LBGT doing this type of thing, it's hard NOT to fall into the "mob effect".  I agree: not everyone who agrees with the LBGT community is some homophobic/tranasphobic bigot.  There's a lot of decent people that hold those particular views.  Heck, even I hold views that would get me labeled as a backwards, sexist, misogynistic jerk that hates women, by many, LBGT or otherwise.  It comes with the territory in this generation I suppose: conforming to whatever society is conforming to right now.

Having said that, I draw the line at discrimination, and hypocrisy.  When politician tries to base discrimination law because of their personal beliefs, that makes me irritated, but even more so when that same politician is doing things themselves that wouldn't be considered "moral".  If a person is going out of their way to call out and damage the LBGT community, then they get busted for adultery, etc. then that is just wrong on so many levels.  More people should practice what they preach, especially if they put themselves on a platform.

Quote from: Draculess on May 19, 2016, 01:41:50 AM
Honestly, no offense intended to you, but usually when I hear a question like that, it's being asked by a bigot. While I agree that people can be quick to say something is offensive to this or that group these days, almost everyone I've ever had to argue about trans rights with will say something akin to that, you know, "I'm not being hateful. I just disagree with you..." and then immediately say something like, "I don't care what your son identifies as, he shouldn't be in the bathroom with my daughter"

and its like, yeah, dude, you really are being hateful and ignorant. it's kind of like when someone prefaces a statement with "I'm not racist, but.."

and as for homosexuality being pushed too hard? like lol idk where you live, but I know people who have been fired for being gay within the last year.

p.s. you might want to work on your spacing. kind of hard to read

EDIT:I found this article insightful, I think it's relevant here https://www.susans.org/2016/04/26/difference-controversial-discourse-hate/

None taken and I mean most people say that because someone will automatically assume you are being hateful because of it, I think a lot of people are a little to sensitive about things and as far as bathrooms go, I mean I can understand why a biological female wouldn't want someone that physically appears as a man to be in the same bathroom as them and yes I do believe bio women are using that rape excuse way to much because the same sex can rape you but I try to be understanding in my oppinion as long as you look like who you say you are use  whatever bathroom you want because its just a bathroom and as far as homosexuality being pushed, it is to me, everytime I log on to Facebook I see a lot of stuff about homosexuals and its not different than sex and drugs being pushed I mean even when I turn on the T.V there is a lot of stuff reguarding homosexuals like I said I see it it as be who you want to be with, I have gay and bi friends and if they are happy then so be it but don't force it on people because not everyone is gonna like it.

Quote from: King Malachite on May 19, 2016, 01:49:17 AM
I've noticed this trend too, and it's pretty disconcerting.  More often than not, I find myself of having to be careful about getting offended when someone disagrees with LBGT individuals.  Seeing so many in the LBGT doing this type of thing, it's hard NOT to fall into the "mob effect".  I agree: not everyone who agrees with the LBGT community is some homophobic/tranasphobic bigot.  There's a lot of decent people that hold those particular views.  Heck, even I hold views that would get me labeled as a backwards, sexist, misogynistic jerk that hates women, by many, LBGT or otherwise.  It comes with the territory in this generation I suppose: conforming to whatever society is conforming to right now.

Having said that, I draw the line at discrimination, and hypocrisy.  When politician tries to base discrimination law because of their personal beliefs, that makes me irritated, but even more so when that same politician is doing things themselves that wouldn't be considered "moral".  If a person is going out of their way to call out and damage the LBGT community, then they get busted for adultery, etc. then that is just wrong on so many levels.  More people should practice what they preach, especially if they put themselves on a platform.

I agree 100% with your viewpoint and I have those same views as you tbh lol and have gotten called all that.

Quote from: Brandon on May 19, 2016, 02:04:51 AM
I agree 100% with your viewpoint and I have those same views as you tbh lol and have gotten called all that.

I'm still waiting on my turn, LOL! 

Quote from: King Malachite on May 19, 2016, 02:06:53 AM
I'm still waiting on my turn, LOL!

Its coming don't worry lol its coming just be prepared for it, honestly when I do get called stuff like that I just ignore it now.

Quote from: Brandon on May 19, 2016, 02:10:25 AM
Its coming don't worry lol its coming just be prepared for it, honestly when I do get called stuff like that I just ignore it now.

Ha, already preparing what I'm going to say.

"I don't hate women.  My mom's a woman, and I love my mom."

Quote from: King Malachite on May 19, 2016, 02:13:06 AM
Ha, already preparing what I'm going to say.

"I don't hate women.  My mom's a woman, and I love my mom."

Lmfaoo😂😂 that's something I would say tbh

Works like a charm, right?   :P

Most definately lol😂👏

The thing is people are getting thin skinned over time.

There was a time where tolerance meant allowing someone/group to do something even if you disagreed with it.

Now the term has come to imply approval as well, which in my opinion is wrong.

A simple example would be something like smoking.  I tolerate smokers.  But I don't approve of what they are doing because of what it will do to their long term health.  I may choose to tell them to quit smoking, but if they don't, it doesn't mean that I will actively go out of my way to stop them.

The way some people come across, for me to tolerate smoking would mean not only allowing them to smoke, but actively going off and buying them a carton of cigarettes, lighting one up and putting it to someone's mouth.

Quote from: Brandon on May 19, 2016, 02:01:19 AM
None taken and I mean most people say that because someone will automatically assume you are being hateful because of it, I think a lot of people are a little to sensitive about things and as far as bathrooms go, I mean I can understand why a biological female wouldn't want someone that physically appears as a man to be in the same bathroom as them and yes I do believe bio women are using that rape excuse way to much because the same sex can rape you but I try to be understanding in my oppinion as long as you look like who you say you are use  whatever bathroom you want because its just a bathroom and as far as homosexuality being pushed, it is to me, everytime I log on to Facebook I see a lot of stuff about homosexuals and its not different than sex and drugs being pushed I mean even when I turn on the T.V there is a lot of stuff reguarding homosexuals like I said I see it it as be who you want to be with, I have gay and bi friends and if they are happy then so be it but don't force it on people because not everyone is gonna like it.

Well, it's one thing for someone to be uncomfortable because of a trans person's looks or to buy into like whole "this will allow male predators in" thing, but when someone is straight like "these people are men, don't let them in", that's kind of by definition a transphobic remark. I would concede that for a lot of people it probably does stem more from ignorance than hate and granted, there are degrees, certainly people saying stupid things aren't as bad as the people doing beatings and killings, but it does contribute to an overall atmosphere.

I'm still not sure what you mean about homosexuality "being pushed". I see it on tv a lot in so far as like different civil rights issues in the news, but whenever I see it portrayed in a show it's usually still kind of a cartoon that doesn't reflect real homosexuals much. And I mean if you're talking about the civil rights issues and stuff, like yeah that's a pretty hot topic right now, naturally it's going to be all over social media, but again I can't speak to homosexuality being promoted or anything really, my LGBT friends generally speak less on LGBT stuff than my straight cis friends tbh and my facebook is clogged up with all sorts of ugly stuff from people I expected better of.

also, comparing homosexuality to sex and drugs is pretty sketch, no? it's not like it's a vice or something. and I get heterosexuality shoved in my face at like every turn, so it would kind of be nice almost to see more gay stuff around. idk man, I guess I still don't know quite what you're talking about.

Quote from: Brandon on May 19, 2016, 01:17:41 AM
I am not trolling at all this is a very serious question. Me personally I don't give a damn what people think about me, all my friends love me and my girlfriend adores me and that's all that matters to me but one thing I notice is that here as well as on other forums presumibly anyone that disagrees with trans people or gay people is automatically considered transphobic or homophobic no offence but I disagree yeah there are people out there who hate the lgb and the   T but in my oppinion just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate you, its a free country you don't have to agree with everything, that's like saying because I don't agree with my friends smoking or drinking that I hate them yes I might not like it but not liking something vs hating something are 2 completely different things I don't agree with a lot of the things my gf does for Gods sake but it damn sure don't mean I hate her ILoveThatGirlWithAllMyHeart and she knows it and Vice Versa she doesn't agree with half the stuff I do but she  damn sure doesn't hate me and SheLovesMeWithAllHerHeart and then to say that not only do they hate the lgb and the    T also fear it? I am not afraid of gay people or other trans people, or to say that they don't understand it, what's not to understand, you like the same sex or gender by all means be happy, whatever floats your boat but I am sorry I have to respectfully disagree on that and as a transguy I do personally feel that homosexuality is being pushed to hard, yes everyone deserves free will as I said above, do you, whatever makes you happy but you can't push it down everyones throats and then get mad when someone says they disagree cuz in reality most people could careless who you are sleeping with and to me its just not logical. I realize I may get a lot of poo for this post but I wanna discuss this without arguing because I have respectfully stated my oppinion.

No offense, but would it really be ok if I said I disagree with you for being black? >.>

No offense, but you made a very lame comparison with the smokers and drinkers. Smoking and drinking is something you do, not something you are. People become those things. Trans and gay people are like that at birth like cis and straight people. Being gay, trans or whatever identity or sexuality you are is not inherited or a learned habit like smoking and drinking. Therefore, your argument is at fault here. If you are going to make a valid argument about transgender/homosexual controversy, at least understand what those terms actually mean, please.

Quote from: luna nyan on May 19, 2016, 04:19:21 AM
The thing is people are getting thin skinned over time.

There was a time where tolerance meant allowing someone/group to do something even if you disagreed with it.

Now the term has come to imply approval as well, which in my opinion is wrong.

A simple example would be something like smoking.  I tolerate smokers.  But I don't approve of what they are doing because of what it will do to their long term health.  I may choose to tell them to quit smoking, but if they don't, it doesn't mean that I will actively go out of my way to stop them.

The way some people come across, for me to tolerate smoking would mean not only allowing them to smoke, but actively going off and buying them a carton of cigarettes, lighting one up and putting it to someone's mouth.

I see your point there.

 >:-)

Quote from: Draculess on May 19, 2016, 04:47:56 AM
Well, it's one thing for someone to be uncomfortable because of a trans person's looks or to buy into like whole "this will allow male predators in" thing, but when someone is straight like "these people are men, don't let them in", that's kind of by definition a transphobic remark. I would concede that for a lot of people it probably does stem more from ignorance than hate and granted, there are degrees, certainly people saying stupid things aren't as bad as the people doing beatings and killings, but it does contribute to an overall atmosphere.

I'm still not sure what you mean about homosexuality "being pushed". I see it on tv a lot in so far as like different civil rights issues in the news, but whenever I see it portrayed in a show it's usually still kind of a cartoon that doesn't reflect real homosexuals much. And I mean if you're talking about the civil rights issues and stuff, like yeah that's a pretty hot topic right now, naturally it's going to be all over social media, but again I can't speak to homosexuality being promoted or anything really, my LGBT friends generally speak less on LGBT stuff than my straight cis friends tbh and my facebook is clogged up with all sorts of ugly stuff from people I expected better of.

also, comparing homosexuality to sex and drugs is pretty sketch, no? it's not like it's a vice or something. and I get heterosexuality shoved in my face at like every turn, so it would kind of be nice almost to see more gay stuff around. idk man, I guess I still don't know quite what you're talking about.

Its not for you to understand I am enligntend about certain things and as I have said yes its being pushed to hard and I have even heard other gay people say the same so if you got even gay people saying that then what does that tell you? I understand they want equal rights sure, whatever but it is being pushed just a little to hard you guys want everyone to accept you that's an example of pushing it to hard when I see rainbows everywhere that's an example of pushing it to hard and a rainbow does not even stand for the lgb and the T and yes it is all over T.V and in Music and on Social Media and you guys talk about disrespect and hate but I am pretty sure last summer it was trending all over fb of a gay Jesus which was in my oppinion was disrespectful as all hell, y'all are not so nice either, you get mad when someone disagrees with you but y'all feel the need to bash other peoples religions contridictary much? You can say what you want about religion but can't no one say nothing about gay people, oh no. Like I said its not meant for you to understand nor would I expect you to so I will leave it at that.

When disagreement leads to the denial of basic human rights and other discrimination such as workplace treatment, I can see why people are sensitive. If people truly lived by the Golden Rule, there would be no reason to legislate equality or condemn hate speech, because there would be none.

Since you brought up the bathroom thing: Bathrooms have never been legal barriers to gender expression. It is a group of right-deniers that disagree with something they call the "LGBT Agenda" that created the problem out of nowhere to continue to generate hate based money in those areas of the country where they wield power. There can't be barriers because there is no standard for masculinity, femininity, attire etc. This is why the simple concept of choose the one that works for you, works and is practiced many places in the world

If disagreement generates danger, if it causes people to hurt and be hurt, then it is best kept to one's self. As many of our parents no doubt said "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all " We just want the same rights as everyone and to live our lives in our communities. That is the whole agenda. I don't really care if someone thinks i am sinning, or going against nature, or destroying the traditional family values. They can hold that opinion all the want to themselves it hurts them, not me.

Quote from: King Phoenix on May 19, 2016, 08:16:24 AM
No offense, but would it really be ok if I said I disagree with you for being black?

No offense, but you made a very lame comparison with the smokers and drinkers. Smoking and drinking is something you do, not something you are. People become those things. Trans and gay people are like that at birth like cis and straight people. Being gay, trans or whatever identity or sexuality you are is not inherited or a learned habit like smoking and drinking. Therefore, your argument is at fault here. If you are going to make a valid argument about transgender/homosexual controversy, at least understand what those terms actually mean, please.

Nice try but I am biracial lol but thank you for bringing race into this because I knew someone would lol and shockingly its a black person himself anyways I could careless what people think about my race tbh I am a proud mixed man who is also proud of his black herritage if you don't like it then idk what to tell ya but you are more than happy to not like me because of my race go right ahead lol and that's in general, you aren't paying my bills and ya damn sure ain't stopping me from sleeping at night.The whole point is I am still disagreeing with the smoking or the drinking that's the whole point if I can disagree with my friends smoking or drinking than people should have a right to respectfully disagree with homosexuality, not everyone is going to agree with you is another point I am trying to make here so be happy and do you you don't need everyones say so do what makes you happy. Dude I am trans myself so I am aware of that but thank you tho and I think once again my arguemnt was just find is about disagreeing or agreeing.

I disagree with this thread. I hope that doesn't offend you. At least my disagreement in this case won't stand in the way of basic human rights.

Quote from: RobynD on May 19, 2016, 11:27:55 AM
When disagreement leads to the denial of basic human rights and other discrimination such as workplace treatment, I can see why people are sensitive. If people truly lived by the Golden Rule, there would be no reason to legislate equality or condemn hate speech, because there would be none.

Since you brought up the bathroom thing: Bathrooms have never been legal barriers to gender expression. It is a group of right-deniers that disagree with something they call the "LGBT Agenda" that created the problem out of nowhere to continue to generate hate based money in those areas of the country where they wield power. There can't be barriers because there is no standard for masculinity, femininity, attire etc. This is why the simple concept of choose the one that works for you, works and is practiced many places in the world

If disagreement generates danger, if it causes people to hurt and be hurt, then it is best kept to one's self. As many of our parents no doubt said "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all " We just want the same rights as everyone and to live our lives in our communities. That is the whole agenda. I don't really care if someone thinks i am sinning, or going against nature, or destroying the traditional family values. They can hold that opinion all the want to themselves it hurts them, not me.

I see what you are saying and I agree to a certain extint but again not everyone has to agree with you yes there are a lot of hatelful people in this world but God will deal with them in time, In my oppinion from what I have noticed a lot of people are frustrated with the lgb and   T because some of you automatically assume someone hates you that's like a regualr person on the street thinking that everyone hates them, I mean you have to get over it you were not meant to be liked by everyone because if we were then no one would be different in my oppinion and honestly look at the world we live in hate crimes are getting worse with everyone and the world is only going to continue to get worse and more cruel but forcing people to accept you is actually making hate crimes worse in my oppinion.

Quote from: Eevee on May 19, 2016, 11:56:56 AM
I disagree with this thread. I hope that doesn't offend you. At least my disagreement in this case won't stand in the way of basic human rights.

None taken and there we go again lol.

Personally I don't see anything under the LGBTQ umbrella as something you agree or disagree with. All of these types of people exist. As King Phoenix said, you can't agree or disagree with the way something inherently is. Homosexuality is a condition of being, not a behavior like smoking or drinking. You would say "I'm going to smoke." You wouldn't say "I'm going to homosexual." It's not the same thing.

Race is actually a good example. It is something you inherently are and cannot change. Sexuality and gender are the same way, so you should think of them in the same way.

The primary issue is ignorance. A lot of people genuinely do not understand the idea of not being cisgender or heterosexual. It is completely contrary to their experience and it is tough to imagine feeling differently. We as a community need to be more open about our feelings and lived experiences. The more people know, the more their minds change. It's not about pushing acceptance, it's about pushing knowledge. Knowledge breeds acceptance.

And I mean no offense when I say this, but you realize that people who "disagree" with trans people would call you a lesbian for dating a female, right?

I abstain from the lbg for I have never gotten over how they three is under the bus after they got their rights. I been watching the t and wondering of we are going to go alone or stay part of a organization that hates us and the only reason they want the t to stay is for our votes. This bathroom issue is going to hurt cis women more then transgenders,you are going to see cis people hurt more then trans over this ludicrous b.s.

Quote from: FTMax on May 19, 2016, 12:14:01 PM
Personally I don't see anything under the LGBTQ umbrella as something you agree or disagree with. All of these types of people exist. As King Phoenix said, you can't agree or disagree with the way something inherently is. Homosexuality is a condition of being, not a behavior like smoking or drinking. You would say "I'm going to smoke." You wouldn't say "I'm going to homosexual." It's not the same thing.

Race is actually a good example. It is something you inherently are and cannot change. Sexuality and gender are the same way, so you should think of them in the same way.

The primary issue is ignorance. A lot of people genuinely do not understand the idea of not being cisgender or heterosexual. It is completely contrary to their experience and it is tough to imagine feeling differently. We as a community need to be more open about our feelings and lived experiences. The more people know, the more their minds change. It's not about pushing acceptance, it's about pushing knowledge. Knowledge breeds acceptance.

And I mean no offense when I say this, but you realize that people who "disagree" with trans people would call you a lesbian for dating a female, right?

To you its not about pushing anything but to other people it very well is and of course you wouldn't see it like that and thank you man but I am very much aware of that but I know what I am and nobody elses oppinion is needed see I know how to not let stuff bother me and not only that I am well accepted by my peers and tbh even my own parents who do not agree with me don't even see me as a lesbian anymore because as much as they don't agree with me transitioning they know its about my identity and everyone has ever had a probelm with me has never considered me a lesbian they just didin't undertans why I would wanna change my physical appearence but as I have said I am not sensitive either so I could careless nor do I go around broadcasting that I am trans

Quote from: cheryl reeves on May 19, 2016, 12:26:16 PM
I abstain from the lbg for I have never gotten over how they three is under the bus after they got their rights. I been watching the t and wondering of we are going to go alone or stay part of a organization that hates us and the only reason they want the t to stay is for our votes. This bathroom issue is going to hurt cis women more then transgenders,you are going to see cis people hurt more then trans over this ludicrous b.s.

I agree tbh and I have wondered that as well because they are the only ones getting rights and as far as the bathroom thing I was just explaining that to my girlfriend because I asked her oppinion on it but I want no part in the lgb either I am cool with gay people but I just don't want no part.

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Warning:

Doing alright but lets keep our emotions in check on this thread. I also wanted to add a couple comments about a few posts here:

QuoteI abstain from the lbg for I have never gotten over how they three is under the bus after they got their rights. I been watching the t and wondering of we are going to go alone or stay part of a organization that hates us and the only reason they want the t to stay is for our votes. This bathroom issue is going to hurt cis women more then transgenders,you are going to see cis people hurt more then trans over this ludicrous b.s.

Let's recall that part of the "No Bashing" rule states: 

QuoteAdvocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term. The same restriction applies to advocating the removal of the T from GLBT.

and on a different rule

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9. If you disapprove of people who are Transgender, Gay, Lesbian, or Bisexual; or activities which cross gender boundaries; take your arguments to a more appropriate website.

Getting close to the borders on those.

Let's remember this is a safe site and be mindful of unnecessary language.

Thanks for your consideration,

Joanna

Quote from: Brandon on May 19, 2016, 01:17:41 AM
I am not trolling at all this is a very serious question. Me personally I don't give a damn what people think about me, all my friends love me and my girlfriend adores me and that's all that matters to me but one thing I notice is that here as well as on other forums presumibly anyone that disagrees with trans people or gay people is automatically considered transphobic or homophobic no offence but I disagree yeah there are people out there who hate the lgb and the   T but in my oppinion just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate you, its a free country you don't have to agree with everything, that's like saying because I don't agree with my friends smoking or drinking that I hate them yes I might not like it but not liking something vs hating something are 2 completely different things I don't agree with a lot of the things my gf does for Gods sake but it damn sure don't mean I hate her ILoveThatGirlWithAllMyHeart and she knows it and Vice Versa she doesn't agree with half the stuff I do but she  damn sure doesn't hate me and SheLovesMeWithAllHerHeart and then to say that not only do they hate the lgb and the    T also fear it? I am not afraid of gay people or other trans people, or to say that they don't understand it, what's not to understand, you like the same sex or gender by all means be happy, whatever floats your boat but I am sorry I have to respectfully disagree on that and as a transguy I do personally feel that homosexuality is being pushed to hard, yes everyone deserves free will as I said above, do you, whatever makes you happy but you can't push it down everyones throats and then get mad when someone says they disagree cuz in reality most people could careless who you are sleeping with and to me its just not logical. I realize I may get a lot of poo for this post but I wanna discuss this without arguing because I have respectfully stated my oppinion.

Hey, I'm not racist. I just disagree with black people. I think being black is unhealthy, immoral and an unnatural lifestyle choice. I simply don't want to have to see people being black, they shouldn't be consider equal to normal people.

How does that sound to you? Is it a matter of opinion? Is there something to agree or disagree about or just something that is, a feature of some people that is not the result of a choice and can't be changed even if they wanted to?

That's why someone who claims to "disagree with LGBT" is simply using nicer words trying to feel better about being homo/transphobic.

Again i totally get the sensitivity. 40 yrs ago people used the some of the same speak for interracial marriage, where "disagreement" became grounds for denying people's rights to marry the person they loved.

My own parents and grandparents were included in that group. When i would ask about interracial marriage as a kid they would replay things like: "it's just not right or natural" "think of the poor children" "i just don't think everyone should mix" "they will be caught between two cultures"

Really what they meant was " Our culture is superior to theirs, our bloodlines are better, etc. etc. and " who will we feel superior to if everyone can marry everyone"

just two weeks ago i had a friend try and tell me that white people are better suited to run things, because our IQ is naturally higher. Incredible that these views still exist but they do.

Society must evolve and progress.

Quote from: Promethea on May 19, 2016, 01:10:49 PM
Hey, I'm not racist. I just disagree with black people. I think being black is unhealthy, immoral and an unnatural lifestyle choice. I simply don't want to have to see people being black, they shouldn't be consider equal to normal people.

How does that sound to you? Is it a matter of opinion? Is there something to agree or disagree about or just something that is, a feature of some people that is not the result of a choice and can't be changed even if they wanted to?

That's why someone who claims to "disagree with LGBT" is simply using nicer words trying to feel better about being homo/transphobic.

I am gonna have to respectfully disagree.

Quote from: RobynD on May 19, 2016, 01:21:45 PM
Again i totally get the sensitivity. 40 yrs ago people used the some of the same speak for interracial marriage, where "disagreement" became grounds for denying people's rights to marry the person they loved.

My own parents and grandparents were included in that group. When i would ask about interracial marriage as a kid they would replay things like: "it's just not right or natural" "think of the poor children" "i just don't think everyone should mix" "they will be caught between two cultures"

Really what they meant was " Our culture is superior to theirs, our bloodlines are better, etc. etc. and " who will we feel superior to if everyone can marry everyone"

just two weeks ago i had a friend try and tell me that white people are better suited to run things, because our IQ is naturally higher. Incredible that these views still exist but they do.

Society must evolve and progress.

I agree on that 100%.

Quote from: Joanna50 on May 19, 2016, 01:08:50 PM
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Warning:

Doing alright but lets keep our emotions in check on this thread. I also wanted to add a couple comments about a few posts here:
Let's recall that part of the "No Bashing" rule states:   

and on a different rule

Getting close to the borders on those.

Let's remember this is a safe site and be mindful of unnecessary language.

Thanks for your consideration,

Joanna

Will do!

I think this thread has run it's course.

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