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Title: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: stephaniec on June 11, 2016, 04:13:01 PM
I heard  about her from the TV when I was growing up when I was going through puberty. My older sister had also bought a paperback autobiography of hers, when I was a freshman in high school going through the hell of a wrong puberty. Knowing about her story made such a gigantic impact on my  brain especially finding out about her during the hell of puberty.
Title: Re: How many were affected by the story of Christine Jorgensen growing up
Post by: Chloe on June 11, 2016, 04:25:36 PM
Christine who? (Just kidding)

For me it was Nancy Hunt's "Mirror Image".

Found an old related topic  link here (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,20649.0.html).
Title: Re: How many were affected by the story of Christine Jorgensen growing up
Post by: stephaniec on June 11, 2016, 04:29:19 PM
I go back a ways
Title: Re: How many were affected by the story of Christine Jorgensen growing up
Post by: RobynD on June 11, 2016, 04:30:28 PM
She was before my time for the most part, but i remember as a kid seeing some sort of documentary or news story  about her and thinking how pretty she was.

I really had very little understanding that there was even an option to medically change your gender characteristics much before my 20s. Sometime around then, i went to a library and read some material that truly shocked me. I remember crying that day too.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: Michelle_P on June 11, 2016, 10:23:30 PM
I remember thinking that she must have been 'one of a kind', someone unique and specially suited for her treatment, that someone like me would never get.

I was a pretty mixed up kid, though.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: BeverlyAnn on June 12, 2016, 12:19:41 AM
I didn't find out about her until I was in my teens.  My father had some men's magazine in the mid 1960's that had an update on what Christine had been doing over the years.  I saw the article listed on the cover and hid it so I could read it.  It was the first time I knew there was someone else in the world.  Then a few years later, there was the article in Playboy about Wendy Carlos.  I think that's when I actually realized I truly wasn't alone in the world.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: Stevie on June 12, 2016, 01:46:54 AM
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on June 12, 2016, 12:19:41 AM
I didn't find out about her until I was in my teens.  My father had some men's magazine in the mid 1960's that had an update on what Christine had been doing over the years.  I saw the article listed on the cover and hid it so I could read it.  It was the first time I knew there was someone else in the world.  Then a few years later, there was the article in Playboy about Wendy Carlos.  I think that's when I actually realized I truly wasn't alone in the world.

I really loved Wendy Carlos's soundtrack for "A Clockwork Orange" She is technical innovator and brilliant composer.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: Ms Grace on June 12, 2016, 05:56:53 AM
I can't remember when I first heard of her but it was a long time after I'd decided to try transition the first time around. And to be honest I still don't know much about her...
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: stephaniec on June 12, 2016, 01:34:35 PM
I'm pretty sure, no I'm absolutely sure my brain would of melted if I saw I am Jazz when I was in grade school.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: CarlyMcx on June 12, 2016, 04:01:24 PM
I am kind of glad there was no Jazz Jennings when I was in grade school.  If I had seen her and begged my parents and doctors to let me transition, my parents would have said and done everything they could to stop me. 

I never knew about Christine Jorgenson growing up.  I lived with the idea that gender transition was science fiction until I was about 19 and I saw Dr. Renee Richards on the TV news.

Unfortunately my father was so far into the back of my head by then that I let my fears force me to live according to his script until he suffered a stroke in 2009.  And then it took five years of arguments with him inside my head for me to fully realize who I was and what I had to do.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: stephaniec on June 12, 2016, 04:33:08 PM
that's one of the things that held me back. My father and thoughts of being the son
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: DawnOday on June 12, 2016, 04:39:40 PM
Quote from: stephaniec on June 11, 2016, 04:13:01 PM
I heard  about her from the TV when I was growing up when I was going through puberty. My older sister had also bought a paperback autobiography of hers, when I was a freshman in high school going through the hell of a wrong puberty. Knowing about her story made such a gigantic impact on my  brain especially finding out about her during the hell of puberty.

When I was growing up we only had so many examples. Christine Jorgenson, Renee Richards and Tula Cossey. Christine taught me a man can become a woman. Renee taught me that transwomen can play sports, Tula taught me that I can be incredibly hot. 
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: JoanneB on June 12, 2016, 10:13:57 PM
This old fossil for sure can say seeing "The Christine Jorgenson Story" on the tele had a MAJOR affect on me. More so then my dad listen to Jazz when he came home drunk after doing OT on a Saturday.

What really hit me was after the airing on TV was a Public Service Announcement from the Eric Erickson Foundation. Though I was like 12 at the time I wrote (I did say fossil, pre-jurassic to be exact) away for info. A couple of weeks later when the hefty packet came it was like...... OMG!

It took another almost 50 years to REALLY act on it.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: alex82 on June 12, 2016, 10:18:52 PM
Neither. None.

Neither of those are my generation or my country anyway.

I had a neighbour who was trans, and I stayed away from her (apart from pleasantries if I saw her in the hall) for the same reason I turned off every television programme about transsexuals or with one in the show. Did not want to be confronted with my own reality.

And in terms of celebrities (Caitlyn Jenner being to me, just another member of a pointless, vacuous and wholly uninteresting family) and fly on the wall television shows, skewed through a producers eye, still don't really.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: stephaniec on June 12, 2016, 10:23:58 PM
Quote from: JoanneB on June 12, 2016, 10:13:57 PM
This old fossil for sure can say seeing "The Christine Jorgenson Story" on the tele had a MAJOR affect on me. More so then my dad listen to Jazz when he came home drunk after doing OT on a Saturday.

What really hit me was after the airing on TV was a Public Service Announcement from the Eric Erickson Foundation. Though I was like 12 at the time I wrote (I did say fossil, pre-jurassic to be exact) away for info. A couple of weeks later when the hefty packet came it was like...... OMG!

It took another almost 50 years to REALLY act on it.
that's pretty cool you did that
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: alex82 on June 12, 2016, 10:33:24 PM
Quote from: stephaniec on June 12, 2016, 04:33:08 PM
that's one of the things that held me back. My father and thoughts of being the son

I guess that's quite common Stephanie.

My father I don't think would've cared, to his credit. He was nuts admittedly, working class Londoner, loved a fight, slept with anything good looking in a skirt, but he wouldn't have cared.

My mother is slightly different - from an educated upper middle family rooted in the stage and entertainment business, with an openly gay brother, and friends she'd lost in the AIDS peak - so well primed you might say, but a real drama queen. Telling her was the most difficult thing I'd had to do, because she's in an excellent place after years of not being, and I didn't want to load this onto her newfound happiness.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: Laura_Squirrel on June 12, 2016, 11:32:01 PM
I had no idea who Christine was until I had internet access at age 29. I heard about Jazz when 20/20 did the episode on trans kids a year or so later. (I think that's when it was, anyway). Neither had any effect in relation to my own transition and/or experiences as a transchick.
Title: Re: How many were affected by the story of Christine Jorgensen growing up
Post by: Joelene9 on June 12, 2016, 11:44:23 PM
Quote from: stephaniec on June 11, 2016, 04:29:19 PM
I go back a ways
Ditto. Christine Jorgensen came into town and was on a local TV talk show around 1964. My mom and us 4 kids were watching this show and my mom said that she was once a man and she was not a homosexual. Her descriptions matched what was I was feeling since I noticed the difference around age 5 or 6.

Joelene
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: Avinia on June 12, 2016, 11:58:44 PM
Well, I think the only reason I really am here is because of Jazz Jennings... So she had a pretty big impact on my life. although, 3-4 years later and I still haven't come out/transitioned(working on the first part), I really do kind of know now that being transgender is not just some weird mental illness. Since really all I had before discovering Jazz was whatever my the churches around me believed about the LGBTQ community, my parents never really commented on it much from what I remember.

I do recall, when I was around 12 years old, overhearing a show my mom was watching, which was about sex changes. I do still wonder why she was watching that, since it really doesn't fit how I always viewed my parents' opinions on the topic. Then again, it could have just been on and my mom just hadn't changed the channel(I was too busy playing Counter Strike to pay much attention).
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: anjaq on June 13, 2016, 04:30:45 AM
Sadly, I was too young for Christine Jorgenson and am too old for Jazz Jennings - so I did sadly not have much to go on as a teenager, but in my early 20ies a trans woman won the Eurovision Grand Prix Song contest and she was so beautiful and had such a great voice, she really did inspire me to get going, although at that point I already heard about transitioning being real and thiniking about it all the time.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: Wild Flower on June 13, 2016, 05:22:11 PM
Neither.

Paulina Rubio in Dont Say Goodbye, awoken the demon of gender dysphoria. (I am alone on this lol).

I cant claim any TG woman inspired me... Maybe Vaniity... But thats a far maybe.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: stephaniec on June 13, 2016, 09:48:43 PM
Christine had her surgery a year after I was born so when I hit puberty she had come out with her Autobiography and was making the media circuit. It's quite obvious the questions are from that period of time.mayby  3 ot 4 years after my puberty as I was still in torment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyh8BxPxtnw
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: stephaniec on June 13, 2016, 10:04:27 PM
I am Jazz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7gjICQ3kL4
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: mac1 on June 13, 2016, 10:16:46 PM
I was 9 years old at the time and heard just a brief announcement on television.  My parents avoided discussing it in front of us and we never heard any more about it.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: roseyfox on June 14, 2016, 06:27:32 AM
Here i will say that i do not like Jazz Jennings. From the shows i watched she is bratty self obsessed and not respectful to her parents. That just my opinion but i was so hyped for the show and after watching the first 3 i felt sick of how she acted.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: stephaniec on June 14, 2016, 07:44:33 AM
never watched it myself. Don't have TY
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: Stevie on June 14, 2016, 04:03:36 PM
Quote from: roseyfox on June 14, 2016, 06:27:32 AM
Here i will say that i do not like Jazz Jennings. From the shows i watched she is bratty self obsessed and not respectful to her parents. That just my opinion but i was so hyped for the show and after watching the first 3 i felt sick of how she acted.

Sounds about right for a teenage girl, she is still young maturity doesn't happen overnight.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: RobynD on June 14, 2016, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: Stevie on June 14, 2016, 04:03:36 PM
Sounds about right for a teenage girl, she is still young maturity doesn't happen overnight.

As a parent of teenage girls, i concur.
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: stephaniec on June 14, 2016, 06:19:26 PM
especially one having trouble with boys
Title: Re: How many were affected by story of Christine Jorgensen growing up or Jazz
Post by: stephaniec on June 15, 2016, 10:17:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znFHYXQMKs