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Title: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 22, 2016, 02:15:00 PM
I've been in the Psyche ward the last week and wow, I've got a post to post . Sorry right now I'm on my way to my LGBT clinic fresh fron a beautiful stay in a psych ward in the boonies .I'll have to fill in the experience latter, but suffice to say as a person who likes to post news stories of us trans, I've just experience one hell of a nasty experience with a transphobe psychiatrist who had the power to deny me my freedom and I am one pissed off little trany.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: cheryl reeves on June 22, 2016, 03:51:38 PM
This is why I stay away from psychiatrists..Be waiting to hear your story.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: RobynD on June 22, 2016, 06:31:03 PM
Glad your back and still with us. Sorry about the crappy doctor. Unfortunately jerks exist even positions that are supposed to be caregiving.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: Sarah leah on June 22, 2016, 09:26:23 PM
Be safe and be sure to keep us updated on your situation.

Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 22, 2016, 09:29:25 PM
yea, I will, it wasn't a good experience.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 12:47:53 AM
Well. I won't go into the gory details of what led up to my predicament  it's a long story. I was given the usaul 10 day notice and given a number of events and certain people involved in my life and their responses to my unfortunate predicament , I chose this path. This path brought me to the brink of ultimate despair . I reached out for help from shelters in my area and my therapist. Given the reality of the moment of being on the street or going to the emergency room I chose the emergency room because all the people I reached out to pointed that path to at least find possible options.I was in bad shape because of the approaching black void. I went to the hospital and it was decided I should go into the suicide prevention program. There was no room at my hospital so they sent me to a hospital way out . Same program that I went through when I lost my job of 20 years, different hospital. The first night there I spent a very nice time talking to the nurse on duty at 1 in the morning and  admitted me to the hospital which at first I thought they were puting me in a nursing, but when daylight came I saw it was a hospital.So I'm alright , got a place to eat and sleep, but when I realized I'm locked in and subject to the judgement of others as to my freedom given back to me, I started to freak.My core issue was getting off the street immediately  and staying off the street. I was hoping for resources and places to help with affordable housing. I've been through this program at a different hospital 3 years ago  and let them experiment with their anti psychotic   and antidepressants which led to the realization these medications are have a very counterproductive effect on my.brain I do have the same therapist I have  that I got as an after care that was provided when I left the 6 week partial hospitalization program which was a continuation of the hospitalization from the previous episode of suicide prevention.  So here is where the core issue starts the first appointment with the psychiatrist who is treating to ultimately determine my length of stay and treatment. I know what my problem is which is to stay off the street.The depression is an exclusive product of this need to stay off the street. The first meeting started with misgendering, up until this time all the nurses were using my preferred  name , but some seemed  torchered   by the fact that I was being my true self, but that might of been my perception..So I tell him I'm transgender which is pretty obvious because I have a dress on and some beard growth. So I'm getting depressed because I'm afraid I'm dealing with a transphobe who has the power to determine my fate.I let it go seeing it was the first meeting. We meet again and I was somewhat shocked that he started playing his little transphobe game again pointing to his list of patients and saying he doesn't see any  Stephanie he only sees Steve. Now I'm in shock because a 50 something medical doctor who is in charge of my treatment where my freedom is restricted seems to be purposely  mis gendering me. So now I totally freaked because for quite some time the medical professionals I'm come in contact with have been very accepting at least on the surface. So I call my regular therapist and tell her that this guy is treating me wrong, especially given the fact that I am trans and I'm in a suicide ward at a hospital. She said she'd look into it. The third meeting He genders me proper , but starts accusing  me of threatening him. Prior to this meeting my therapist had talked to the social worker working on my case at this hospital and before the third meeting she had talked to me about this and said she would accompany me into the third meeting. I had told her that if this ass wipe didn't stop I would talk to the laywers at the health clinic That's my primary care place and see what I could do to stop it. I was quite pissed by this time. For a medical doctor to be playing games with a possible suicidal patient is wrong at all levels. The doctor also comes from a culture where not only common society does't accept trans , but the medical profession does't.Now, I'm sitting across from him with the social working stepping in to defend me and him saying I'm threatening him. I told him I wasn't going to argue , I just wanted out of there. So luckily I had some help from my therapist and the social worker. On top of this garbage transphobia he kept on thrying to give me antidepressants even after each time he tried I told him I was refusing and that wasn't going to change . He had the nurse try to give me this medication every morning even after telling her that wasn't going to happen and even telling me  before that he wasn't going to force me to take them.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: Randi on June 23, 2016, 09:36:29 AM
There are many programs for housing support that don't rely on the medical model.
Google "Home at Last", "Housing First" "Rapid re-housing", "SSVF"  (Supportive Services for Veteran Families).

In recent years, agencies have discovered that it's cheaper to simply provide assistance in obtaining an apartment than paying for hospitals or jails.  This is usually funded by grants to local organizations, so you will need to find your local agency.

Like you, I am a veteran.  When I visit the local VA clinic one of the questions they always ask is whether I am homeless or feel in danger of becoming homeless. 
http://www.va.gov/homeless/for_homeless_veterans.asp

You don't need to be mentally ill to qualify for housing help.

Best Wishes,

Randi



Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 09:52:23 AM
the social worker gave me a place for trans and disabled  people that looks good. I'm going to go there and the ymca here in Evanston is very reasonable , I'm going there today.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 12:50:01 PM
I also  had problems with the medical doctor about the dosage of spiro. I was lucky that I took my E shot before I went to the emergency room.I take it once a week so I was out of there when I needed it. The doctor would only give me a quarter of the dose I normally take for spiro. I've been on a 4 times higher does for 3 years under my primary care doctor. I didn't fight it because of the planed short stay , but it was insult upon injury from the transphobe psychiatrist . I go to a very respected clinic that focuses on the LGBT community.The psychiatrist didn't even know the clinic even though it's the only one that directly serves the community in Chicago and the suburbs The social worker who sat with me had to explain the importance of my health clinic to the psychiatrist.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: Wynternight on June 23, 2016, 03:17:37 PM
**hug** I'm glad you're safe, Steph. All my love, sis.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 03:28:28 PM
thanks, I had visions of the movie " One flew over the cuckoos nest "
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: Wynternight on June 23, 2016, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 03:28:28 PM
thanks, I had visions of the movie " One flew over the cuckoos nest "

Did you see Jack Nicholson, a big native guy and Nurse Ratchett?
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 04:46:32 PM
there was a very big guy, but I'm not sure of his roots, and there was a nurse that everyone kept giving the finger to behind her back, but Jack must of been out partying.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: Wynternight on June 23, 2016, 04:53:09 PM
Quote from: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 04:46:32 PM
there was a very big guy, but I'm not sure of his roots, and there was a nurse that everyone kept giving the finger to behind her back, but Jack must of been out partying.

Well crap, Jack would have made things fun!
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 04:58:17 PM
yea
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: on June 23, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Quote from: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 12:47:53 AM
Stuff

Just because you got misgendered, that doesn't automatically make the person a bigot (transphobe in your book).

I quite honestly didn't read anything in the post that was indicative of him being this horrible, bigoted doctor just looking for an axe to grind.

I feel for your situation tho, sorry :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: Ⓥ on June 23, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Just because you got misgendered, that doesn't automatically make the person a bigot (transphobe in your book).

I quite honestly didn't read anything in the post that was indicative of him being this horrible, bigoted doctor just looking for an axe to grind.

I feel for your situation tho, sorry :embarrassed:
sorry, my interpretation of a medical doctor/head psychiatrist working with suicidal patients who are having a suicidal episode at the present tims and is a doctor that has practiced psychiatry for as long as he had and is also the person signing off on your treatment in a time of severe crisis and having been directly told by the patient after the first instanse of misgendering continue to purposely misgender, I would say that person should be raising some red flags among the medical staff which is indeed what happened when he was confronted about it by the social worked who was talked to by my therapist after I told her what happened and she called the hospital.Of course I could be wrong , but given the circumstances of being in the hospital because they had cause to believe I would commit suicide I think a caring psychiatrist would be the last person to push a suicidal patient over the edge. I mean not to argue this point because my situation of homelessness has not changed and I don't want to dwell on this. Suffice it to say I mean no harm to any point of view , I am just expressing the pain that was cause whether intentionally or ignorantly by a health care provider.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: alex82 on June 23, 2016, 07:15:16 PM
I agree with V.

An experience that is sad to read about, and I'm sorry you've been dealing with it. I hope you can put things back together.

But as you say, the crisis was about homelessness. You met a doctor who was a bit rude - so what, in the grand scheme of things - he's never met you before, and he works in psychiatry, so he's no doubt dealing daily with people who say they are everything under the sun which doesn't match their actual name or the details he's been provided with.

You needed to go to emergency to stop a crisis from getting worse, and to find a safe roof where you could eat, sleep, not come to physical harm, and get access to help for going on. That was achieved.

The most important thing is that you're safe, and not on the street. That would be infinitely worse than a doctor not using the correct pronouns until another professional arrived to say 'actually, stop that'.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: Rachel on June 23, 2016, 07:54:50 PM
Steph,

I am glad you are safe and sad you had to endure this.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 09:00:52 PM
Quote from: Rachel Lynn on June 23, 2016, 07:54:50 PM
Steph,

I am glad you are safe and sad you had to endure this.
thank you so much your a very supportive person and we trans need the support of each other because the world can be cruel .
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 09:14:51 PM
I'd like to say this experience was bad, but everyone else at that hospital treated me with all respect and used the proper pronouns and I told them that.when I left. they did a good job and totally helped me move on , the program itself is excellent and this is the second time in 3 years that I was admitted to it.  This is my opinion of how I experienced the event when I was in serious trouble and to be honest I don't believe I was treated properly by the psychiatrist. I have absolutley no intent to debate or argue the qualifications of rhis particular psychiatrist only to say this is how I perceive the actual event. Thanks for the support in a time of severe need , I truly appreciate the support at Susan's.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 24, 2016, 12:47:23 AM
CBS News/ MARY BROPHY MARCUS CBS NEWS June 22, 2016, 10:05 AM

"It's not easy to find compassionate medical care when you're a transgender person, says Victoria Albina, who has a busy medical practice in Dupont Circle in Washington, D.C., where she works with many transgender and LGBTQ patients.

Albina is a board certified family nurse practitioner who holds a degree in public health and has trained in integrative and functional medicine. She told CBS News that her work is rewarding, but she's saddened that in a world where a health care provider's office should be a sacred space, most fall short for people who don't fit traditional gender roles."
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 24, 2016, 08:31:22 PM
just received a phone call from a hospital administer apoloqizing  for the treatment at the hands of the psychiatrist. Apology accepted , lets move on.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: Colleen M on June 24, 2016, 08:57:09 PM
Having seen the medical records generated by others in similar circumstances, I'm moved to wonder if the doctor wrote any transphobic wisecracks in your medical records.  You wouldn't be the first.   
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 24, 2016, 11:27:43 PM
I'm very glad they said something. They want me to call back and talk to an administer . They left a voice mail so I'll find out tomorrow or Monday. I qm also surprised that they called me.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: sparrow on June 25, 2016, 12:24:51 AM
Quote from: Ⓥ on June 23, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Just because you got misgendered, that doesn't automatically make the person a bigot (transphobe in your book).

I'm sorry, but you apparently weren't reading.

Quote from: stephaniecWe meet again and I was somewhat shocked that he started playing his little transphobe game again pointing to his list of patients and saying he doesn't see any Stephanie he only sees Steve.

This is horrible.  That behavior is transparent, deliberate, calculated, and abusive.  It's directed at a transgender person because the person is transgender.  Dude's job is to help people, and instead, he's pulling a power trip and abusing a patient at risk of suicide.  This is transphobia, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: rosinstraya on June 25, 2016, 02:42:26 AM
I hope you can get your housing situation sorted and secure, Stephanie.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: on June 25, 2016, 03:35:54 AM
Quote from: sparrow on June 25, 2016, 12:24:51 AM
I'm sorry, but you apparently weren't reading.

O RLY?!?

From another thread:
Quote from: stephaniec on June 13, 2016, 12:43:39 PM
I went to the food stamp office so because I haven't changed my name legally I presented male.

...and from this thread:
Quote from: stephaniec on June 23, 2016, 12:47:53 AM
So I tell him I'm transgender which is pretty obvious because I have a dress on and some beard growth.

I assume as a medical professional that legal names, SSNs, DOBs etc are what they are for a very important reason.  Doc probably had a paper of Stephanie's LEGAL NAME on file and there's your quote... the "I don't see a Stephanie, only a Steve".

As far as misgendering; I have no goals to hurt feelings, but read above and the fact is she admitted she had beard growth.

Again, NOTHING I read in her post was indicative to me that this doctor was some evil bigot.

Trans people getting offended is like SJWs getting offended.. people expect it and usually we prove them right.  Classic example here.  Instead of looking at this sad situation objectively, you interpret this subjectively and jump on the 'torches & pitchforks' bandwagon all too quickly.

Don't get mad at me, personally, for simply calling out the facts.  Remember, facts don't care about your feelings [-Ben Shapiro]
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: stephaniec on June 25, 2016, 04:38:31 AM
I'm not mad ar anyone , I was surprised I got an apology and I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Just got out of the suicide ward and have a tale to spin
Post by: V M on June 25, 2016, 05:44:46 AM
Topic locked per request

Thank you

V M