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Title: How do you view yourself
Post by: stephaniec on July 23, 2016, 02:49:28 PM
Labels are meaningless , but just for fun, if you use a label how do you see yourself. I feel quite comfortable as trans, but this is just me.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Deborah on July 23, 2016, 02:54:01 PM
I'm kind of split on this.  I'd like to get past thinking of myself as trans.  But it seems like it's a statement of physical fact so it won't go away.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Barb99 on July 23, 2016, 04:28:30 PM
I know I'm transgender, always will be, but I see myself as female.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: maya on July 23, 2016, 05:39:25 PM
I think of myself as trans. I am not cis female but have self-identified as female from a very young age.  I am living as a woman today but will never have the experience of childbirth or many other typical female experiences. I feel female with male history so trans fits best for myself. Besides I transitioned beginning in my 50s so T has made its lasting imprint.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: soon2b on July 23, 2016, 05:52:36 PM
Right now transgender, as I evolve in my transition I like transwomen
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Lady Sarah on July 23, 2016, 06:48:11 PM
I may have a deformity, but that will not stop me from being a woman.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: KathyLauren on July 23, 2016, 07:02:35 PM
At this point, I fell like a wannabe female.  Feminine tastes, but masculine history.  (Thanks, Maya, your expression fits me, too.)   So for the moment, I'd have to say that I am trans.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: RobinG78 on July 23, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
I'm just restarting to find my female side again, after being suppressed for so long. memories stored way far away are coming back. I remember being in my grand parents room, and smelling gram's perfumes. my mom sold Avon and I loved to look and see what see had, I don't remember playing with any of it yet.

I can write so much more but I would hijack this thread...
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: alex82 on July 23, 2016, 09:58:27 PM
Quote from: maya on July 23, 2016, 05:39:25 PM
I think of myself as trans. I am not cis female but have self-identified as female from a very young age.  I am living as a woman today but will never have the experience of childbirth or many other typical female experiences. I feel female with male history so trans fits best for myself. Besides I transitioned beginning in my 50s so T has made its lasting imprint.

Is childbirth essential? A quarter to a third of women don't do it, and considerably more than that don't enjoy any part of it, and would use a lab if they could. I love those who are secure enough in their femininity to just admit it.

As to the question, I see myself as me, for better or worse. And the 'typical female experiences' - let's say the male gaze to the point of severe irritation, being sexually exposed, and discussed on those terms in my presence (by some women too I might add), followed (to the point that elderly Arabic women in full niqab have joined me so I'm not alone), having guys in cars kerb crawl to ask me how much I charge (from the age of 12), being spoken over in meetings or ignored in bar chats when 'serious' subjects are being discussed, by men with less to contribute than I do, being told I'm emotionally a 'loose cannon' for simply saying how I feel, and in less enlightened countries and circles, actually left with 'the girls' while the men do their thing, not that it bothers me at all, the conversation is better with women - that's been my life anyway.

On that conversation, I find it far more amusing, witty, nuanced, and wide ranging - with honourable exceptions for a good few men. There are one or two people online I've come across who are far more explicit than nearly all women, except when drunk and with a good friend, and is more akin to stuff I've heard in gay bars. It's not 'typical girl talk' at all, and it's pretty uncomfortable, like some kind of sad hyper parody, almost threatening in its sexual assumption, entitlement, and forcefulness, and insulting to women generally.

I have enough 'typical' experiences to be going on with, more than some women, and differently to most men. Many women and the majority of men have been genuinely shocked and horrified at kerb crawlers being so explicit - the women less so, but still (apart from some who had the same thing in their own teens) consider that worse and more in your face than they've had.

I'd certainly physically have a child if I could, and if they ever find a way to transplant a uterus, I'll do it. But I don't see it as an essential female experience, and some of my oldest and best friends are childfree (either through choice or biology) and are utterly female.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Atom on July 23, 2016, 10:39:46 PM
Female. I never label myself as transgender.

I left school at 16 and went to college as a girl. I do not have social interactions as a male in my adult life to fall back on or to compare and contrast.

Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Jean24 on July 24, 2016, 04:02:18 AM
Quote from: alex82 on July 23, 2016, 09:58:27 PM
Is childbirth essential? A quarter to a third of women don't do it, and considerably more than that don't enjoy any part of it, and would use a lab if they could. I love those who are secure enough in their femininity to just admit it.

As to the question, I see myself as me, for better or worse. And the 'typical female experiences' - let's say the male gaze to the point of severe irritation, being sexually exposed, and discussed on those terms in my presence (by some women too I might add), followed (to the point that elderly Arabic women in full niqab have joined me so I'm not alone), having guys in cars kerb crawl to ask me how much I charge (from the age of 12), being spoken over in meetings or ignored in bar chats when 'serious' subjects are being discussed, by men with less to contribute than I do, being told I'm emotionally a 'loose cannon' for simply saying how I feel, and in less enlightened countries and circles, actually left with 'the girls' while the men do their thing, not that it bothers me at all, the conversation is better with women - that's been my life anyway.

On that conversation, I find it far more amusing, witty, nuanced, and wide ranging - with honourable exceptions for a good few men. There are one or two people online I've come across who are far more explicit than nearly all women, except when drunk and with a good friend, and is more akin to stuff I've heard in gay bars. It's not 'typical girl talk' at all, and it's pretty uncomfortable, like some kind of sad hyper parody, almost threatening in its sexual assumption, entitlement, and forcefulness, and insulting to women generally.

I have enough 'typical' experiences to be going on with, more than some women, and differently to most men. Many women and the majority of men have been genuinely shocked and horrified at kerb crawlers being so explicit - the women less so, but still (apart from some who had the same thing in their own teens) consider that worse and more in your face than they've had.

I'd certainly physically have a child if I could, and if they ever find a way to transplant a uterus, I'll do it. But I don't see it as an essential female experience, and some of my oldest and best friends are childfree (either through choice or biology) and are utterly female.

It definitely detracts from womanhood. Just like being born without legs, eyes, or a functional brain detracts from the human experience in general. The same goes with not being able to manufacture your own hormones, not being able to reproduce, having the incorrect genitals, and having an extremely masculinized face detract from being a woman. I've yet to meet the transgender woman who is secure enough in her femininity to completely forego things like HRT, FFS, and SRS simply because we happen to be able to survive without them. For some of us, the next generation of regenerative medicine can't come quickly enough.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: warlockmaker on July 24, 2016, 04:15:14 AM
I am transgender and proud to be the third gender. I pass 100pct female in my appearance and behavior but I choose to inform others I am trans. I lied my whole life and kept my great secret, this lie filled my being and dictated my life. I have found peace and happiness and will not have one lie replace another. I am trans and I'm living my dream.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Morganna on July 24, 2016, 04:38:09 AM
I would be one of the happiest creatures in the world if I could simply say I am happy living as a fully blessed woman, however I am sadly conscious and aware that the past will always be there following me as a shadow that will never go away. At this moment it isn't a problem in my life, for I have came up to terms that I am a transgender woman, but hey, it's cool, I am able to be the harridan I always dreamed I'd be when I was nothing but a babe.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Sebby Michelango on July 24, 2016, 06:06:49 AM
I see myself as a guy. Transgender is just something I'm born as, but it doesn't define me as a person. Some people are born with blonde hair, some with brown hair and other is born without legs. The diversity of us humans are a part of us, but not everything. I wouldn't tell everybody I'm transgender like other wouldn't tell me about their private things. That's a thing only family, friends and close-related people should know. When I come out, I would present myself as a guy. If people thinks I'm cis, it's alright. People doesn't need to know every single thing about everybody they meets.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Atom on July 24, 2016, 06:13:25 AM
I know a few ladies who have chosen not to have kids, reduce their periods etc and they certainly dont think anything is detracted from them. But that's horses and courses, like a lot if things.

I still have male downstairs bits and I'm fine with that.

Its not a money issue, or the fact they annoy me.  SRS ticks a nice to have box, but not essential. If/when I can be bothered to research UK surgeons and part with the cash I will do.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: stephaniec on July 24, 2016, 06:39:35 AM
I think my view would change if I had GRS .I'm pre op so I'm constantly aware of my condition so my view is more in terms of trans. I think though that if I had GRS I'd have more of a tendency to leave trans behind although it would still be there, but far more out of my everyday conscious .
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: JoanneB on July 24, 2016, 07:42:17 AM
Quote from: stephaniec on July 23, 2016, 02:49:28 PM
Labels are meaningless ....
Pretty much exactly what my therapist told me a few weeks back

This is so difficult for me to answer. I never saw myself as male, always felt/new I was female on the inside, have a well entrenched "Male" existence and a pretty well dug in female body, heart, and soul. A good percentage of what makes me me is/was "male" oriented. Yeah, I know some also love seeing things blow up like Kari from Myth Busters.

At the end of the day, "Non-Definable" AKA Non-Binary (Today) is the most accurate. Likely will be same for a few more years to come.

The answer from my heart - Female
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: WolfNightV4X1 on July 24, 2016, 10:08:51 AM
Trigender Pyrofox, of course

(are jokes allowed here?)

I am simply male, nothing fancy. Well...biologically speaking I do not view myself as such, I tend to restrict female and male as medical and biological terms, because it is necessary to differentiate at times. But I'm a guy


I have to agree with several posts here, I can't change the past, I cant (entirely) change the present (not all physical traits), I will always carry that X that marks my sex, and the build I ended up with as a result, but never will I carry that neurological aspect of it. I am only trans because social standings do not change, people's sexualities do not change, and people's mindsets do not change. If this will forever technically put me in some 'third gender' category then so be it, I'm well aware I cant truly fit either entirely. But me? Always knew I leaned man.

I'm never identifying as a girl again, only fakely so to avoid psychological/social conflict.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: alex82 on July 24, 2016, 03:17:52 PM
Quote from: Jean24 on July 24, 2016, 04:02:18 AM
It definitely detracts from womanhood. Just like being born without legs, eyes, or a functional brain detracts from the human experience in general. The same goes with not being able to manufacture your own hormones, not being able to reproduce, having the incorrect genitals, and having an extremely masculinized face detract from being a woman. I've yet to meet the transgender woman who is secure enough in her femininity to completely forego things like HRT, FFS, and SRS simply because we happen to be able to survive without them. For some of us, the next generation of regenerative medicine can't come quickly enough.

I didn't suggest going without any of those things. Nowhere at all did I even hint at going without those three things.

Some people don't have an extremely masculinization face by the way.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Wild Flower on July 24, 2016, 03:51:34 PM
Trans woman.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: SadieBlake on July 25, 2016, 03:30:50 AM
I feel female. I'm not fond of the mirror, shaving, feeling like a girl dressed as a boy, or a guy in a dress.

I deal, HRT is helping on balance while still not easy and I'm clearing the steps for SRS while wondering what life will be like with a neovagina and non-passing exterior. I certainly can't afford electrolysis at this point (either the $ or the time commitment).

The beard is a whole different matter, I hate shaving and have been worn a beard for 42 years, I'm not fond of my appearance clean-shaven and while HRT may change that, nothing about my life would be conducive to passing with the attendant need for makeup, wig etc.

So in terms of appearance I'm drifting towards feminine guy. I'd be happy to have people confused when they see me as passing really is a 'bridge too far'.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Rafaela on July 25, 2016, 04:55:31 AM
More than...
Born trans, lived as male, now swinging back the other way. Anyone else cis-trans? ;)
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Sebby Michelango on July 25, 2016, 05:24:13 AM
Quote from: Rafaela on July 25, 2016, 04:55:31 AM
More than...
Born trans, lived as male, now swinging back the other way. Anyone else cis-trans? ;)

What do cis-trans mean?
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: herekitten on July 25, 2016, 11:11:14 AM
Its simple. I am female with a bit of a nonconventional malady. As for the transsexual word - to me, its a scientific term and nothing more.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Sspar on July 25, 2016, 11:39:07 AM
Transwoman.. It took me while to accept myself and others in the wonderfully varied roles of life we all are a part off. But I can honestly call myself a proud transwoman
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Brenda3156 on July 25, 2016, 01:37:10 PM
Feminine male. I feel female on the inside but present male. Long male history. My goal is to be as feminine as possible while still able to present male. I feel that I just have too much baggage with kids, grandkids, friends, and relatives to become totally female. Kind of sad in a way, but it will make me happy just to be more female feeling on the inside. That's what counts, to be happy with myself.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: nicolef on July 25, 2016, 02:13:54 PM
Female although I decided not to have the GRS when I was 28
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: HappyMoni on July 25, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
Some may see what I write as being superficial, but it is how I feel. I was never a man. I was not transgender for a long time. The term I would put to is "Lost Soul." I have found myself in being transgender. I can't suddenly feel like a woman by ignoring a lot of history. For me, it will be more realistic to me as I travel through a number of milestones. I have come out to all, I have gone full time, I am recovering from FFS. All these bring my mind closer. Other milestones, living all situations day in and day out as a woman for a prolonged period of time, having BA and GCS surgery... each step will bring my perhaps superficial self closer to claiming womanhood. After all, the first day one moves into a brand new neighborhood, how many people feel like they are part of that community the first hour, day, or month. Will I ever feel like a woman? Does it matter if the answer is not 100% yes?
Moni
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Devlyn on July 25, 2016, 03:02:31 PM
Exotic hybrid.  :-*
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Jean24 on July 25, 2016, 06:09:16 PM
Quote from: alex82 on July 24, 2016, 03:17:52 PM
I didn't suggest going without any of those things. Nowhere at all did I even hint at going without those three things.

Some people don't have an extremely masculinization face by the way.

That entire post of yours was geared to dismissing it as something that is not essential because some women choose not to.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: alex82 on July 25, 2016, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: Jean24 on July 25, 2016, 06:09:16 PM
That entire post of yours was geared to dismissing it as something that is not essential because some women choose not to.



No. It wasn't.

I discussed notions of femininity in relation to childbirth - which you brought up. I did not mention SRS, HRT, or FFS. Not at all. Not once, not even slightly. Not even hinting. And certainly not 'gearing'. Nor did I even begin to suggest that those three factors were not basic essentials. I did say in my second post to you, that FFS was not essential for all because we don't all have heavily masculine features - which you brought up. I didn't say it wasn't essential for those who do, and who want to change that. Now in my third post to you, I will simply use FFS in its other, text speak meaning - FFS!

My post was 'geared' in a completely different direction. If you're a speaker of English as a second language, then fair enough for your wild and hurtful misunderstanding. Do not seek to attribute opinions and views to me that I haven't expressed. The whole post was wrapped around that one factor, and actually how dare you come back to me on this, in that tone, about where my motives were 'geared' with this - when I offered a heartfelt and honest few paragraphs of my deepest feelings about probably the most important thing, bar none, to me - and the lengths to which I would be prepared to go were it to become viable.

I chose to share that with you, and others, as part of a compassionate and truthful conversation, and you come back to tell me that I actually meant something else? You've engaged with nothing I shared, while coming back to me twice on it. The only one who has been dismissive of anyone's feelings here is you, towards me.
Title: Re: How do you view yourself
Post by: Rafaela on July 26, 2016, 05:24:43 AM
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on July 25, 2016, 05:24:13 AM
What do cis-trans mean?

If being assigned male or female at birth correctly makes you cis gender, cis trans would be the other option  ;)

Yes I made it up.  ;D