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I'm getting SRS in less than two months I'm so freakin excited words can't describe! But I was wondering will it be similar enough to cis vaginas? I have obviously done plenty of research at this point and know they are very similar and may have a few differences but I want to know from the real source! Ladies who are post op can your sexual partners tell the difference? I want to know what people thought after having sex with a post op if you can tell the difference or not?

I'm sure it depends on a lot of factors, so personal anecdotes are probably the best data out there on this issue. :)

I've only ever had one sexual partner, so that's not going to help, but I did a) find several photos on the "wall of vaginas" that look like mine and b) have a gynecologist think I was cis. Good enough for me, at any rate.

No partners for me at almost 8 weeks.

But..wow..

Short of where it's healing still and a few red suture scars...

it ALREADY looks cis from the point of view of my gynecologist who is also a 25 year surgeon (not the one who preformed the surgery but rather the one that took over my wound care weekly beginning on the day 20 post op.

We have taken pictures and I am considering making them into a video.

P.S. A thread about my experiences on 7/21/16 is in this area of Susan's.
I'm also older - 47 and I can't speak more passionately about having good follow-up care with an experienced gynecologist.  Don't go cheap on quality healthcare during your recovery.

Men cannot tell the difference and cis females dont examine their vaginas as closely as we post ops. ..we are tighter than a cis female and especially those that have given birth.

A good surgeon aesthetics makes a huge difference. Mine looks 100pct like the real thing, I used mirrors to check it out lol.

I actually made sure my partner knew, didnt want to take a risk of him getting agressive if he found out. He didn't care and did say it was tight and felt fantastic and he could not tell the difference even with oral.

Did/do you ladies have noticable scars? If you had noticable scars after how long did it take for them to not seem so obvious? They say you can have intercourse after 3 months but are the scars noticable?

I had a scar on each of the outer labia that was about 2" long  by 0.5" wide, and that was it (no, I don't know how the surgeon did it either). I also had one raw patch on the fourchette that looked pink and irritated for weeks, but it wasn't a scar per se (a single stitch popped early and then the area got chafed), and it looked a lot like a raw/chafed spot does on a cis woman. Anyway, the only scars I could see faded to pink by about month three and to a very discreet white by six months; I'm now several years post-op and even I can't find them anymore. The labia have developed the expected folds and little wrinkles, and I assume the scars have vanished into those, if they're even still visible.

How much scarring there will be and for how long partly depends on your body, though. I knew from other minor surgeries that areas of my skin that are not sun-exposed tend to scar light pink and then fade; my wife, who is a lot more olive-skinned, develops dark reddish-brown scars that stand out a lot more and take years to fade to white.

I had the displeasure of being asked by a man in the middle of being with him in the bedroom if I "has surgery down there as well" (he previously found my breast implant scars and a scar from a broken leg). He specifically said that my clitoris looked different from those of the other women he was in bed with. I was scared and basically asked him why he thinks so and he apologized, interpreting my reaction as being offended by such a question. But this was basically when I told myself it will not continue with that guy and it is at the center of me now considering talking about my genital defect before things get intimate next time.

Cis women's vagina varies in shape size smell etc from one another just like some men's penis are bending to one side some veiny , some fair, some dark, some huge, some long etc.... So it's really hard to tell just by looking....my two cis girl sisters went with me to Thailand for my srs... My older sister was crazy enough to compare our vaginas side by side cheek to cheek and they look totally d same.... I 've dated several medical doctors and I din't hear any complaint.... I think what's different is the  natural lubrication and getting wet when aroused but that is easy to fake not that I am encouraging it....so personally it was never a problem for me.... But the width of the penis I can accomodate is limited to below average to average... I am a petie Asian girl :) ... But I think getting clocked is the combination of clues that add up together and not the vagina itself in my personal opinion.... D only noticable scar that I have is at my bikini line where d skin graft was taken its like a tummy tuck or ceasarian scar- it kinda fortifies my femininity more than increase doubts lol the question I've gotten is have u ever been pregnant/ given birth before referring to my bikini line scar.....

I have some scars, but they can be hidden in the pubic hair - which however means I cannot shave all of it, so I just shorten it and shape it. Lubrication is an issue - I tried faking it, but its not really working - basically it means going to the bathroom and apply lube inside somehow and that is a break that is odd. So I guess one has to admit that one has an issue with dryness of the vagina and openly use lube.
One thing that I notice as a big difference between natrual and reconstructed vulva is the clitoris area and no surgeon can really get this 100% right, although the best ones can get a good approximation of it. The differenc eis only noticeable if you know what to look for and that is the inner labia which are connected to the clitoris from the bottom, so the Whole thing looks like an upsidedown V with the clitoris being the tip of the V. In reconstructed vulvae, the clitoris often is more like a dot sitting not right at the Tip of that V but a bit above or below and not directly connected to the V as it is "normal". Its a slight difference but I saw this in most cases or reconstructions so far. I think Suporn and some other high class surgeons can approximate this better than others.
Most men will not know this and even doctors will probably not really know this, but I think some do at least sense that something undefineable is different. Another biggie is, if a GRS surgeon cannot do a proper clitoral hood. Its something that all vulvae have, at least in a rudimentary state, unless they are circumcised. Older GRS techniques did not have inner labia or a clitoral hood at all and this looks "odd" to some men, as I described in my experience above.

Quote from: anjaq on September 12, 2016, 07:48:47 PM
I had the displeasure of being asked by a man in the middle of being with him in the bedroom if I "has surgery down there as well"

I would have been terrified

I was.

He interpreted it as shame though, which is not untrue, and backed up right away. I am not sure if he still had the thought in his mind, or if he had "clocked" me at that moment but did not want to make a big deal out of it... But I felt uncomforable and could certainly not enjoy this evening much

Quote from: warlockmaker on September 12, 2016, 06:30:32 AM
Men cannot tell the difference and cis females dont examine their vaginas as closely as we post ops. ..w

Absolutely right. I'm sure I'm not alone on here in having seen countless varieties of cis vagina ( ::)) I think that sounds like really bad luck Anjaq and must have been pretty awful for you :(

This vagina wall, made from cis vaginas, gives a pretty good illustration of the varieties:


There really are massive variations in cis vaginas. As Warlockmaker says, we examine (obsess!) about the aesthetic authenticity far more than a cis female would.


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Quote from: anjaq on September 13, 2016, 11:22:04 AM
I was.

He interpreted it as shame though, which is not untrue, and backed up right away. I am not sure if he still had the thought in his mind, or if he had "clocked" me at that moment but did not want to make a big deal out of it... But I felt uncomforable and could certainly not enjoy this evening much

You continued after he said that? I would have been uncomfortable as well

Quote from: Rachel Richenda on September 15, 2016, 01:20:43 AM
Absolutely right. I'm sure I'm not alone on here in having seen countless varieties of cis vagina ( ::)) I think that sounds like really bad luck Anjaq and must have been pretty awful for you :(

This vagina wall, made from cis vaginas, gives a pretty good illustration of the varieties:


There really are massive variations in cis vaginas. As Warlockmaker says, we examine (obsess!) about the aesthetic authenticity far more than a cis female would.

"The Great Wall of Vagina" lol love it. This shows how there are so many different looking vaginas you can't really say whether it looks like a trans or cis vagina it just depends on the individual.

I can't post the pictures of the 'Great Wall of Vagina' as vagina sculptors are nudity (apologies for that mods) but here instead is a link to the story with no 'nudity' contained:

http://www.greatwallofvagina.co.uk/about

What this demonstrates is the incredible variety out there in cis vaginas.

I've been post-op for over seven years, and I couldn't be happier.

As you've seen from the "Great Wall" and perhaps other sources, you'll see that we are all different, but all the same.  My partners that I've been with have all been satisfied with what they saw and what they did.  *blush*

Don't worry about it, you'll have a vagina that you'll be happy with and so will your partners.

-Sandy

Quote from: Rachel Richenda on September 17, 2016, 02:25:35 AM
I can't post the pictures of the 'Great Wall of Vagina' as vagina sculptors are nudity (apologies for that mods) but here instead is a link to the story with no 'nudity' contained:

http://www.greatwallofvagina.co.uk/about

What this demonstrates is the incredible variety out there in cis vaginas.

Children come here, that's why you shouldn't be posting vagina pics. It's clearly stated in the rules you agreed to follow when you joined the site.

https://www.susans.org/2016/08/18/transgender-child-win-civil-rights-case-colorado/

https://www.susans.org/2015/02/03/living-a-transgender-childhood/

https://www.susans.org/2016/04/05/transgender-girl-kickstarts-blue-pink-white-house-next-westboro-baptist-church/

https://www.susans.org/2016/02/29/transgender-kids-allowed-to-live-openly-have-good-mental-health/

I hope this helps you understand why the "nudity" was removed.

Hugs, Devlyn

Yes I didn't realise the link to fairly small sculptors would still count but fair enough and that's why I said sorry ;)
(As an aside, 'art' often causes these problems doesn't it? Michelangelo's David?!)

Hugs back :)

x

Quote from: transnztal on September 16, 2016, 10:28:13 AM
You continued after he said that? I would have been uncomfortable as well

Well breaking it off completely would sort of have been addmitance... I did not want to do that either, but on that day I basically stalled him and went home early. He apologized for such a rude comment the next day over dinner, but still, that feeling persists now and I considered getting revision surgery or having to switch to coming out to anyone dating me, which is something I hate to do because then I am endangering myself , starting to get experiences of being dropped and hated for being trans and also the story about this would probably go in circles the more people know the less likely it is that it will remain a private matter for long.

The great wall of vaginas is interesting. I also have a book called Femalia with photos and there are other photo projects as well. But often they basically show vulvae (not vaginas) in their natural state - basically as if one was standing naked. This is not happening when getting into sexual contact. When that happens, the labia are spread and the clitoris exposed, especially with oral sex and then things look different from most of these sculptures or pictures. No one would see anything odd about my genitals when I was just standing naked - as long as I do not shave completely to expose the scars - the differences are only visible when spreading it out

That's interesting Anja. I think you have a point there. The Great Wall of Vagina project took casts from real vaginas, spread apart. There's a link which I can't put which shows Jamie McCartney's methodology. Somewhere it says he took 8 years to sculptor from the 400 women, which included MtF's post surgery. x

Cis women vaginas can be stretched trans can't ... So when the kids say women vaginas r 4-5 inches they leave out the rest bout how they coochie can be "STRETCHED ". Most probably don't come across huge dicks to be affected one way or the other


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Tina: That's because 4-5" IS the stretched size for cis women; in the relaxed state, the cis vagina is more like 3" (that's the  number Masters and  Johnson came up with, and subsequent studies have found similar results). What that means is that my 5.5" is already deeper than many cis women manage when fully aroused... and I don't have a cervix to get painfully poked if the guy goes too deep, either.

(Arousal is what causes the "stretching," not the penis; all the penis does is, well, poke the cervix. The penis won't stretch the vagina further by jabbing at it.)

In my experience the length was never a problem but the width of the penis I can accomodate is usually the problem..... Comments wise, i dunno if they are just being nice but usually it is positive and comment how they like the tightness blah blah.... But I am a dim light/ lights off kinda girl though hihihi.... The best or most comfortable position is when I am on top....

I'm curious to hear from any lesbian MtF's in the light of the above. Do you notice any adverse comments from girlfriends / partners? My current partner is partly responsible for reassuring me that cis vaginas come in all shapes and sizes.

So tonight i was looking at post op trans porn (never knew it was out ones like that in that industry  ) either way but um hhhhmmmmm not being shady (since I'm getting snipped regardless ) ... Actually let me not say it ... I never been with a cis female (technically I'm still a virgin in the front ) ... But cis female porn is way more uh hhhhmmmm authentic looking. It just seem like the post ops just don't feel anything (again which is fine by me since I don't like making all that noise ) ... I'm going to leave it at that part I don't want people to get offended lol but I can't wait for mines [emoji5][emoji5][emoji5][emoji5]


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Personally speaking I can orgasm but most of my orgasmic experience comes from receiving cunnilingus...

Quote from: Rachel Richenda on September 18, 2016, 09:49:01 AM
The Great Wall of Vagina........which included MtF's post surgery. x

Now then this does not make a great comparison method, does it. If there are post op reconstructed vulvae in it, then of course we can find something that matches our own visuals more closely, it will be those reconstructed vulvae...

A friend of mine said, she once told a guy to leave after showering with him. She saw that his dick was too big for her, and yes, she is cis, so unless you are used to it and built for it, certain sizes can also not for in vaginas that were grown before birth. But yes of course, the capabilities are there for a vagina to stretch to the size of a babies head. a reconstruced vagina can never do that, not even with all the pain that is involved if that happens naturally

I'm bi, not lesbian, but I've never been with a guy. My wife also reassures me that they come in all sorts of varieties. :)

I'm also very orgasmic, and I'm not sure porn is a good place to look for any idea of how post-op genitals function (appearance, yes, ability, no, because porn is usually fake for trans and cis women alike).

Oh, and Anjaq, I actually did worry about that - then I found out that the Great Wall has fewer trans vulvas than I identified as similar to mine (I think it's got only 2-3 trans women?). On the flip side, when told that, most cis people apparently picked the *wrong* vulvas as post-op, which is a different form of reassurance.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on September 19, 2016, 09:13:14 AM

On the flip side, when told that, most cis people apparently picked the *wrong* vulvas as post-op, which is a different form of reassurance.

Haha that's great! A sample size of 397 cis females and 3 MtF trans seems pretty solid.

I think for very good reasons we do worry about this. Mind you, I've been with a cis female who worried about the size of her labia and another who was terribly worried about a mole on her labia.

Well, I flipped through a book of pictures and did not find one clitoris that looked even close to mine. Sure, most people will look at the labia, they are huge or colored or small or wrinkly - the inner labia can be larger than the outer ones, which distresses a lot of cis women, or smaller or pink or black. So yes, there is a huge lot of variation. But a clitoris is more complex and can only be partially reconstructed. I guess for most people it makes little difference, they look at the other features - labia, vagina,... so its all fine then.

Now sadly pictures of post op "vaginas" are not available commonly, especially after one of the largest collection was taken offline, so I do not know if this still is true, but at least until some time ago the difference was this (the black blotch is the clitoris - I am not so good in drawing on the computer, but see how it either does connect to the inner labia , those wiggly lines - or it does not connect? I have seen this lack of connection in basically all post op pictures I remember - the best that I saw that they could to was to make a hood over the clitoris (which is missing in older GRS surgeries as well) connect to the inner labia, which is a fairly convincing reconstruction, but for some people this seems "off" even if they do not know what to look for - if you know what to look for, this is where I would seek to find a difference. Some GRS surgeons seem to make the clitoris small enough so that difference is not visible anymore, I guess thats the best strategy, as this is true - some cis vulvae have small clitoris that is just a dot or even invisible under the hood that covers it - so this is the case where it is most equal. If the clitoris is large and clearly visible though, its harder to reconstruct it in a matter that is unidentifyable as being post op. At least that is my personal impression from what I kow from some time ago.

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Quote from: Miss Lux on September 19, 2016, 12:52:23 AM
In my experience the length was never a problem but the width of the penis I can accomodate is usually the problem..... Comments wise, i dunno if they are just being nice but usually it is positive and comment how they like the tightness blah blah.... But I am a dim light/ lights off kinda girl though hihihi.... The best or most comfortable position is when I am on top....

That's been more or less my experience, my husband only dated cis women before me, I've asked him lots times how mine compares and gives me the same answer, he can't tell the difference only mine is tighter, he loves the tightness, it is a wow factor with some men, nice and tight just the way he likes it, great vote of self confidence in me as a woman, very few men comment on scars, most men just don't want to go there, a gentleman doesn't question a woman on such intimate details, most guys don't go there, well that's my experience.

I guess it also depends on if you tell them you had surgery or not. If they know, they will not care much - or they will dump you, I guess. The vagina - the inside part - is indeed not that much different except maybe the lubrication and tightness. The differences are in my opinion mostly visible only on the outside part (vulva) and they are only noticeable to me who actually look. Apparently a lot of men do not care because they do not even look, they just want to put their d. in the vagina, so yes, in that case, its not an issue anyways.

I am not sure why I had this experience on my firt time with a guy - maybe it was just bad luck - maybe I happened to be with a guy who looks closely and has seen many women close up - because he also does oral sex. Or maybe its just that because my GRS was 15 years ago that my looks are really that much different that it sticks out and present day surgeries are much better. Maybe I should get a guy next time who is just not looking closely or who is at least keeping it shut about what he sees.

Quote from: anjaq on September 20, 2016, 02:41:11 AM

I am not sure why I had this experience on my firt time with a guy - maybe it was just bad luck - maybe I happened to be with a guy who looks closely and has seen many women close up - because he also does oral sex. Or maybe its just that because my GRS was 15 years ago that my looks are really that much different that it sticks out and present day surgeries are much better. Maybe I should get a guy next time who is just not looking closely or who is at least keeping it shut about what he sees.

You were just unlucky, I had my GRS 30 years ago in 1985, the majority of men just don't bother looking at our girly bits because they are just too excited and eager to buried their manhood, mine doesn't have good stretching, but hubby is not complaining, he lkes it tight and I've got used to his size, so it's worked out for both of us, my scars have faded over the years, the only person that could tell the difference is a gynecologist on a very close detail examination and no guy is going to do that, most men just don't go there, that's a ''woman's business'' and women's health that men just don't want to know.

Quote from: pretty pauline on September 20, 2016, 08:45:39 AM
You were just unlucky, I had my GRS 30 years ago in 1985, the majority of men just don't bother looking at our girly bits because they are just too excited and eager to buried their manhood, mine doesn't have good stretching, but hubby is not complaining, he lkes it tight and I've got used to his size, so it's worked out for both of us, my scars have faded over the years, the only person that could tell the difference is a gynecologist on a very close detail examination and no guy is going to do that, most men just don't go there, that's a ''woman's business'' and women's health that men just don't want to know.

I concur 100% :)

Wow ok. I guess it was unlucky then - or maybe actually I was lucky and did not realize it, making out with a man who actually cares about my vulva and that I have some fun instead of just being eager to "bury hios manhood". That would be rather lame, if that was all that he does and then its over. Classical frustrating situation for women in partnerships with men, I guess. But of course the upside is that he would not notice the differences...

But for me the question was less if a man notices the differences, but if there are any differences and I believe there are, at least for some of us. And maybe if you are not going for a man but making out with a woman, she may look more losely as she is not so eager to bury anything inside you. And I know quite a few trans women are lesbian, so that is something that also might occur.

Quote from: TinaVane on September 18, 2016, 07:18:28 PM
Cis women vaginas can be stretched trans can't ... So when the kids say women vaginas r 4-5 inches they leave out the rest bout how they coochie can be "STRETCHED ". Most probably don't come across huge dicks to be affected one way or the other

Knowing at least one trans woman who's given fisting demonstrations I think it's fair to say constructed vaginas can also be quite elastic. This said, some folks have more collagen in their skin than others and that's probably the bigger determinant and as far as I know the male pelvis has less room than a cis female's.

From what I read, given I do not have personal experience with a post GRS vagina either as the owner or grateful visitor, is that there are differences.  Visually, most are nearly indistinguishable by most save for physicians. 

One of the subtle differences can be the trajectory of the vagina within the pelvis.  Because of the differing anatomical male pelvis and structures (prostate, etc.) the angle of take-off of the post GRS MtF usually  differs somewhat from that of that of a cis woman.  Some post-op trans women describe needing to be careful to position correctly to accommodate the penis comfortably because of this difference.  I read that many prefer being on top for reasons of being able to control the angle of entry.

I suspect there is some potential to dilate more aggressively over the long term to achieve maximum diameter and possibly to a lesser extent the depth of the neo-vagina.  Tissues tend to respond to mechanical stresses quite well if done cautiously and very gradually.   

I genuinely wish I could provide more insight based on personal experience.  Not yet...

It's a hard comment to compare what is different or what is right. Everybody has things different on their body, including their private parts. With this topic it also inspired me to look at pictures of other viginas, not just girls like us, but cis also.

This is my thoughts only, but I do prefer the look of mine compared to some of the images available, as you possibly tell, I like what I have. Yes, it may not look as good as some, but actually who can set a benchmark for the perfect looking vagina.

i have only had the one post op sexual partner, whom we are still very active. Now that we have been together for a long time and are very comfortable with our bodies together, I have openly discussed with him on how "it" is. His comments make me feel wonderful as a woman. He has stated it is nice and tight, but he loves the way it feels on his penis. he cetainly has kissed it and licked it many times, so feels it looks right.

Our first few sexual experiences were a bit difficult and I had a lot of trouble in taking him. He was extreemly understanding and we gently got through this and he has been very supportive of me. He had never been near a girl like me before, just purely cis women only, but he is a wondeful man and accepts me as his girl.

Possibly the only other"difference" is that we do use lube. We both do like it very wet down there, We have had sex without, as I do produce some, but the lube is great. During foreplay I do get fairly wet, even before my panties are off, when he is playing around down there, and on approaching climax the fluid really starts to flow, I do not actually squirt as some people comment, but the juices really flow just before my climax peak and it feels really nice. But once again lube was not invented for girls like us alone, so this is possibly not a differnece, we just like wet, slippery sex

Initially after surgery my scars were visible, but nowdays it is very hard to see them at all. I do like to have a little hair down there, but I do keep it short and tidy, mainly because my man comments, he likes it that way. Another thing is that I do not show off my private parts. Apart from the initail surgical staff, my current doctor, the girls from the beauty parlour and my partner, no one else gets to see what's in my panties. I did show a couple of close friends on my return from surgery, but everyday life I do not even think about, but finally adding it is the best thing I have ever done

Quote from: SadieBlake on September 21, 2016, 06:41:48 AM
Knowing at least one trans woman who's given fisting demonstrations I think it's fair to say constructed vaginas can also be quite elastic. This said, some folks have more collagen in their skin than others and that's probably the bigger determinant and as far as I know the male pelvis has less room than a cis female's.

Post op MTF fisting!!!??? Really!!! .... i doubt that one's anatomy and pubococcygeal muscle post op would allow that ...Oh Well i guess everyone's anatomy is different...  Btw it's not just skin & collagen that is giving the stretch limitation but the muscles and bony structures done there... It is fairly easy to stretch if it is just skin and collagen.....

I feel that 99% of trans vaginas all have one give away from cis vaginas: scarring. Those two lines on the outside of labia majora. It bugs me. The only trans vagina I ever seen that looked 100% like a natal vagina was Danielle Foxx's who is a porn star. She prides herself on having dr.suporn perform her srs and I have to say, he did a PHENOMENAL job on her.

I used to think Danielle Foxxx's result was amazing, but I've seen, in person, a relativly recent post-revision Suporn result and its a fair bit better. And it's not just the outside either.

There's been some discussion of scarring in this thread; not everyone ends up with visible scars, and not every surgeon places the scars in the same places, but it definitely is a risk.

Quote from: AnonyMs on October 01, 2016, 06:09:44 PM
I used to think Danielle Foxxx's result was amazing, but I've seen, in person, a relativly recent post-revision Suporn result and its a fair bit better. And it's not just the outside either.

Suporn definitely needs to use Danielle's and the person who you are referring to as references on his website instead of the pictures he has up currently lol

Quote from: Aria94 on October 01, 2016, 08:37:33 PM
Suporn definitely needs to use Danielle's and the person who you are referring to as references on his website instead of the pictures he has up currently lol

Danielle's fairly out there and I imagine most people going for SRS have seen her results. I really appreciate that, even if I'm not the intended audience. Like most, the other one would never do it.

Quote from: AnonyMs on October 01, 2016, 10:05:51 PM
Danielle's fairly out there and I imagine most people going for SRS have seen her results. I really appreciate that, even if I'm not the intended audience. Like most, the other one would never do it.

I think I'll definitely allow my surgery to use my pics on his website. *praying that everything goes well*

Are cis vaginas different?

Ok. I present only my own information and mileage may vary, but all vaginas will stretch. Cis women have a uterus which during high arousal will move out of the way, or so one sexologist said.

Again, in my own experience and with dilating as often as the surgeon required post-op, 39 years later I still have depth and what I found was the vagina is adaptable and will adjust itself. Depth can be recovered, though it has to be done incrementally.

Not sure about scars. I don't see any, but I'm a Biber alumna and I am only speaking to that.

Finally, most men aren't the ones from magazines no more than every man's build is like Arnold or a Fabio or whoever it is these days. And yes, I know, muscles and penis size are not a one-to-one correlation.

This post is one data point, but I felt I needed to add it to a somewhat "downer" view of things being put forward.

Quote from: Rachel Richenda on September 19, 2016, 02:31:27 AM
I'm curious to hear from any lesbian MtF's in the light of the above. Do you notice any adverse comments from girlfriends / partners? My current partner is partly responsible for reassuring me that cis vaginas come in all shapes and sizes.

No adverse comments, save one, and it was more curiosity than anything. After that I went back to get a labiaplasty from Biber which had a number of additional benefits. Strangely, my ability to climax increased by an order of magnitude. I can't figure why that would be, but it happened.

Strap-ons have had a comeback and are, in my limited experience, over represented in films. Lesbian love includes human fingers, tongues, and even thighs, and not pieces of rubber or plastic. Keeps your nails clipped!

Other than the one comment from way back, I have never had anyone, and certainly not another dyke, make any negative comments. We were too busy having fun.

Quote from: transnztal on September 08, 2016, 01:35:00 PM
I'm getting SRS in less than two months I'm so freakin excited words can't describe! But I was wondering will it be similar enough to cis vaginas? I have obviously done plenty of research at this point and know they are very similar and may have a few differences but I want to know from the real source! Ladies who are post op can your sexual partners tell the difference? I want to know what people thought after having sex with a post op if you can tell the difference or not?

I'm having surgery in early November! Who did you decide to go with, if you don't mind me asking? Since we're having surgery around the same time, I think we should definitely become buddies so we have someone that's going through a similar thing at similar time ,you know? ❤️

Quote from: Aria94 on October 03, 2016, 09:54:35 AM
I'm having surgery in early November! Who did you decide to go with, if you don't mind me asking? Since we're having surgery around the same time, I think we should definitely become buddies so we have someone that's going through a similar thing at similar time ,you know? ❤️

I'll PM you the details so we don't go off topic in the forum :)

So I guess some scar some don't. I will probably buy some kind of scaring cream as soon as possible. I just don't get how a guy isn't going to say anything about two noticable scars? I like keeping myself bald too so I'm hoping hoping I don't have this problem I think it's my main concern! I'm not concerned about the appearance anymore because like we said vaginas always look different trans or cis as long as it looks pretty lol.

they have procedures now to almost completely get rid of scars. so thats always a option too

There are also cis women who have labiaplasty to reshape the labia they were born with, so I guess the other alternative is to tell a guy who comments on scars that "I didn't like the way it looked, to I had surgery to make it prettier." ;)

(I actually would not recommend lying to a sex partner, but this discussion is in the context of hoping he doesn't find out, so...)

Quote from: pretty pauline on September 20, 2016, 08:45:39 AM
You were just unlucky, I had my GRS 30 years ago in 1985, the majority of men just don't bother looking at our girly bits because they are just too excited and eager to buried their manhood, mine doesn't have good stretching, but hubby is not complaining, he lkes it tight and I've got used to his size, so it's worked out for both of us, my scars have faded over the years, the only person that could tell the difference is a gynecologist on a very close detail examination and no guy is going to do that, most men just don't go there, that's a ''woman's business'' and women's health that men just don't want to know.

My wife and I have always preferred going to the doctor together (whether for her or me).  We have been to a couple clinics where their practice was do discourage that especially when the appointment was for her. She never had a gynecologist that permitted me in the examination room when she was being examined.  However, GPs and family doctors generally didn't have a problem with it.  She never went to a urologist so I don't know what their practice would be.

On the other hand, I have been to 3 different urologists over the years and she has always been allowed in the examination room even when they have examined my penis and bladder.  Why do doctors treat female bladder and vaginal examinations as being more secretive?

I currently have a female urologist who is totally open about having my wife in the examination and procedural room.  She was even in the room when I had a prostate biopsy, which fortunately was negative.

I addition, male doctors always need to have a female nurse in the room when examining a woman but female doctors do not require a nurse when examining a man.  I even once had two female nurses perform bladder examination procedures through my penis without anybody else present in the examination room.

Presumably you can also grow hair around the scarring area if you want? I like to be totally waxed but that's presumably an option.

Well I suppose I'd best take the plunge and look up this porn star. Blush. :-\ I never watch ts porn since transitioning.

Hair growth also depends on placement of the scars. For scars on the inner labia or in the leg/groin crease, hair likely doesn't (and shouldn't) grow there... so that's another factor to consider when judging a surgeon's suitability.

Personally, I don't have the patience to shave or wax, so it's true that I would have had the "protection" of hair. :)

Quote from: warlockmaker on September 12, 2016, 06:30:32 AM
Men cannot tell the difference and cis females dont examine their vaginas as closely as we post ops. ..we are tighter than a cis female and especially those that have given birth.

A good surgeon aesthetics makes a huge difference. Mine looks 100pct like the real thing, I used mirrors to check it out lol.

I actually made sure my partner knew, didnt want to take a risk of him getting agressive if he found out. He didn't care and did say it was tight and felt fantastic and he could not tell the difference even with oral.

which surgeon and where u had it done ? when u had it? is it working fine ?

Quote from: IznaTozBeBorn on January 29, 2018, 02:59:03 PM



which surgeon and where u had it done ? when u had it? is it working fine ?

In case she doesn't see this in time.. warlockmaker had SRS with PAI (http://pai.co.th/).

If you have never looked it over, search online for the the Great Wall of Vagina. An interesting artistic obsession but will definitely give you an education in variety

Are trans vaginas similar or different? The answer is.. yes.

Truth is, it varies. I loved my vagina. I was deep, self lubricating, and my scars were invisible. Most of these are still true, but I have lost a lot of depth during a depressive period, although I was 4+ years post op. I can also orgasm vaginally and clitorally. No man has ever noticed, they only ever get obsessed with the tightness and the wetness.

If anyone is interested you can see for yourself if you search for "A collection of links to photos of SRS results".

Quote from: IznaTozBeBorn on January 29, 2018, 02:59:03 PM



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I posted my earlier thoughts in this thread when I was still pre-op, now being 9 months post op I'll add some personal experiences.

I'm about as self lubricating as most natal women I've been with ... Maybe this says nothing great about my abilities as a lover but I'll gladly take it.

I've been declared by the only guy I've had sex with to have considerably stronger pc muscles than any of his other (many) partners -- I had to intentionally relax for him to be able to enter, otherwise the said <ahem> nice things. I kinda feel this is a pity, given I'm going to be using it 99% of the time with other women ;-).

My GF declared things to be surprisingly normal the first time she saw my vagina up close, about a week post op. Of course I felt very abnormal soon after due to a couple of months of significant swelling. Today I'd say it's not quite a "designer" vagina but I find it pretty enough!

Best of all, my new lover, a confirmed lesbian loves my look and feel. Certainly my responses now feel like women I've been with and it's not like I practiced or intended that, I think things just come naturally now. I don't care at all that I'm "constructed" down there, it all works and the only thing I'm thinking about for revision is that the cleft above my clitoris trends left and feels like scar tissue.

I think this is a pretty complex question.  Most men are not going to notice much about how a vulva looks.  There is a certain type of guy who is REALLY into vaginas and those types will know.  If they  have suspicions, there are structural differences from localtion of the Vagina (the two hole issue that's been discussed in the past), the hood over the clit and less defined inner labia, scara, lack of lubrication, the tightness issue, et.   Fortunately, these types (Drs of Vaginal Studies) are likely a small % of men.

On the other hand most men over the average 5/6 inches should know if they are bottoming out.  My first bf was over 8 jnches, but he was a nice guy-he wouldn't have said anything to hurt me (still pre-op anyway, unfortunately!).  To some degree I think that speaks to being intimate with a caring partner.  Really that should be our goal I guess-is to find the guy who might have his suspicions, but:1 doesn't care about your past,  and 2. Would not say anything to hurt you.  I actually think in this area a larger percentage of males understand that we are in the general population and they might meet one of us someday.  Maybe in a few more years it won't matter one way or the other. 

Scarring, I do not have noticeable scars on the outside. I have a scar ring at the entrance and a large scar about 2 inches by and inch inside. It is painful. I have hyper pigmentation of the two incision locations where she remove the gonad tubes. I do not go in the sun nude. The hyperpigmentation is fading (1.25 years post op).

I had a clitoral hood done 3 months post op.

April 4th 2018 I am having a small repair done on the hood, the scar ring removed and the scar inside my vagina removed. I am also having vagioplasty on the left labia majora. About 3 inches of skin on the bottom half of my vagina is being repositioned. My urethra is going to be moved too.

I have no labia minora as I had no penile skin (0.75 inches long with a small diameter, which had no vascular support).

One difference between cis and trans vaginas is trans vagina entry needs to go under the pelvic bone. That is the reason the trans vaginal dilators are curved and cis are not.

Quote from: Rachel on February 11, 2018, 06:16:15 PM
One difference between cis and trans vaginas is trans vagina entry needs to go under the pelvic bone. That is the reason the trans vaginal dilators are curved and cis are not.

I've no idea about the first part, but as far as I know most dilators are not curved, only soul source are.

Soul source makes a straight dilator for cis and a curved for trans. I can use a straight but not he curved is specifically for trans. When shown how to dilate by Chrystal at Papillion she explained that he difference and the correct entry angle to use for a he curved dilators.

That's interesting. I don't think the curved one are suitable for Suporn's dynamic dynamic dilation, but not many surgeons use it.

Chettawut and Suporn provide custom dilators made specifically for their practice to their SRS patients. I went to Chet, and the dilators have Chet's website engraved into the clear plastic shaft. They are straight dilators with no curve at all. On the other hand, it's my understanding that most surgeons in the US have their patients use the curved dilators from Soul Source.

Quote from: echo7 on February 11, 2018, 07:53:56 PM
Chettawut and Suporn provide custom dilators made specifically for their practice to their SRS patients. I went to Chet, and the dilators have Chet's website engraved into the clear plastic shaft. They are straight dilators with no curve at all. On the other hand, it's my understanding that most surgeons in the US have their patients use the curved dilators from Soul Source.

The dilators I received from Dr. Rachel Bluebond-Langner at NYU are definitely from Soul Source and are the curved ones. When taught how to dilate I was told that after insertion the tip is supposed to feel like it's curving up aiming towards the belly button.

I've seen pictures of PAI dilators, they are very similar to Suporn and Chettawut's. Long ago Thai surgeons used candles until one of the surgeons got custom ones made, then the rest mostly followed, so they are all very similar.

Quote from: AnonyMs on February 11, 2018, 10:21:41 PM
I've seen pictures of PAI dilators, they are very similar to Suporn and Chettawut's. Long ago Thai surgeons used candles

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Femoticons4u.com%2Fviolent%2Fsterb102.gif&hash=4dd4e7f270b2bacbe2695fccbdde67cde62a10b2)

How on earth would a candle get the job done?  Or is candle a brand name?  Please say yes.   :D

Carrie Liz made a post about candles when she had SRS in 2016. It looks like Dr Chettawut was in the process of changing over then.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,212861.msg1891193.html#msg1891193

There's an interview with Dr Suporn's wife (search for Suporn2015.pdf) where she  talks about how plastic dilators were introduced in Thailand - seems like candles melt in the heat.

Quote from: IsabellaSwan on January 30, 2018, 02:41:10 PM
Are trans vaginas similar or different? The answer is.. yes.

Truth is, it varies. I loved my vagina. I was deep, self lubricating, and my scars were invisible. Most of these are still true, but I have lost a lot of depth during a depressive period, although I was 4+ years post op. I can also orgasm vaginally and clitorally. No man has ever noticed, they only ever get obsessed with the tightness and the wetness.

As in they never noticed you are trans or that you just had an orgasm with them ?


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I have slept with about 50 men, and not one man ever knew.

Keep in mind, though, that if i lay down on my back in broad daylight and spread my legs wide, they would know something was different. Knkw you vagina and work with it. Soft lighting and not spreading my legs super wide was my friend. Had i gotten a cosmetic touch up, I could probably do that too, though. Dr Suporn leaves the entrance "open" becasue we would tear everything during dynamic dilation, so you have to go back to get the perineum pinched and a fourchette created. I never did because you can't dilate for a month afterwards, and my dilation never reached a point where I thought that would be feasible.