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Title: forehead wrinkles
Post by: Anastasija on December 01, 2016, 12:00:16 PM
Post by: Anastasija on December 01, 2016, 12:00:16 PM
hey girls, I have a question, which honestly kill me the whole, I started hṛt about 3 mth ago, but still worry me my wrinkles on the forehead, can not some large and deep, but simply scare me. actually it is about me, because everyone calls me ma'am. But as I look at myself in the mirror is ... a nightmare. Generally, the skin all over the body have delicate, my girlfriend says it's like a baby's bottom. Tell me pls or hormones do something with wrinkles or is my only laser treatment
Title: Re: forehead wrinkles
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 01, 2016, 04:17:42 PM
Post by: Harley Quinn on December 01, 2016, 04:17:42 PM
You'll get some help from collagen. Give it some time. It's all a waiting game.
Title: Re: forehead wrinkles
Post by: Rachel on December 01, 2016, 06:34:12 PM
Post by: Rachel on December 01, 2016, 06:34:12 PM
Some fat will deposit under your face skin and make the wrinkles a little less apparent.
I had ffs and have a face routine. The ffs included lower and mid face lift, blethoplasty and forehead lowering among other things. My wrinkles are gone.
I had ffs and have a face routine. The ffs included lower and mid face lift, blethoplasty and forehead lowering among other things. My wrinkles are gone.
Title: Re: forehead wrinkles
Post by: warlockmaker on December 01, 2016, 08:40:04 PM
Post by: warlockmaker on December 01, 2016, 08:40:04 PM
Hi, I live in a family that is just plain vain and now in Bangkok where both men and women are vain. Having surgery or treatment is like going to the supermarket.
Heavy wrinkling on the forehead can be eliminated unless you have serious sun damage. So here are the some options ......
1. Rejuvinating face lift
3. Ulltratherapy or Thermage for colligen,
3 Botox to not let the muscles continue to crease the skin.
4. Use of quality face creams day and night
5. Facials regularly to soften and revitalize your skin
Heavy wrinkling on the forehead can be eliminated unless you have serious sun damage. So here are the some options ......
1. Rejuvinating face lift
3. Ulltratherapy or Thermage for colligen,
3 Botox to not let the muscles continue to crease the skin.
4. Use of quality face creams day and night
5. Facials regularly to soften and revitalize your skin
Title: Re: forehead wrinkles
Post by: Anastasija on December 02, 2016, 01:56:25 AM
Post by: Anastasija on December 02, 2016, 01:56:25 AM
G... thx. I thought about laser because apparently permanently removes wrinkles, but it's can wait
Title: Re: forehead wrinkles
Post by: KayXo on December 02, 2016, 04:43:59 PM
Post by: KayXo on December 02, 2016, 04:43:59 PM
Estrogen can help somewhat.
Obstet Gynecol Surv. 2009 Jan;64(1):58-72.
"Estrogen cream produced significant improvement in wrinkles in clinical evaluation (4,20)" Makes skin more elastic and plump, fattier.
Botox, if administered by someone competent and trained can temporarily remove them as well but there are risks.
Obstet Gynecol Surv. 2009 Jan;64(1):58-72.
"Estrogen cream produced significant improvement in wrinkles in clinical evaluation (4,20)" Makes skin more elastic and plump, fattier.
Botox, if administered by someone competent and trained can temporarily remove them as well but there are risks.
Title: Re: forehead wrinkles
Post by: Wild Flower on December 02, 2016, 05:54:27 PM
Post by: Wild Flower on December 02, 2016, 05:54:27 PM
Zinc sunscreen, sunscreens, and Retin-A are long term wrinkle blaster.
Short term: botox and surgeries.
Also consider chemical peels for superficial wrinkles.
Short term: botox and surgeries.
Also consider chemical peels for superficial wrinkles.
Title: Re: forehead wrinkles
Post by: Jean24 on December 02, 2016, 10:26:40 PM
Post by: Jean24 on December 02, 2016, 10:26:40 PM
Retinol works pretty well for lines if I get them. Same with face peels. Other than that, just moisturize regularly and use sunblock and you should be gold.
Title: Re: forehead wrinkles
Post by: KayXo on December 03, 2016, 12:16:38 PM
Post by: KayXo on December 03, 2016, 12:16:38 PM
J Eur Acad Dermatol Venereol. 2013 Oct;27(10):1236-43.
"Reactive oxygen species (ROS) cause severe damage to extracellular matrix and to molecular structure of DNA, proteins and lipids. Accumulation of these molecular changes apparently constitutes the basis of cell ageing. 17b-estradiol (E2) has a key role in skin ageing homeostasis as evidenced by the accelerated decline in skin appearance seen in the perimenopausal years. Oestrogens improve many aspects of the skin such as skin thickness, vascularization, collagen content and quality. Despite these clinical evidences, the effects of oestrogens on skin at the cellular level need further clarification."
"In this study we highlight that the menopause-associated oestrogens decline is involved in reduced collagen production and that E2 could counteract the detrimental effects of oxidative stress on the dermal compartment during skin aging. Furthermore, our data show that physiological concentrations of oestrogens are able to interfere with ROS-mediated cell viability reduction and to protect human skin cells against oxidative damage to cellular membranes and nucleic acids structure."
"Our experimental data show that the presence of 17β-estradiol may protect skin cells against oxidative damage and that the dramatic lowering of oestrogen levels during menopause, could render skin more susceptible to oxidative damage."
Rejuvenation Res. 2012 Jun;15(3):302-12.
"Prevention of skin aging by estrogen/progesterone replacement therapy is effective if administered early after menopause and influences intrinsically aged skin only."
Maturitas. 2001 Jul 25;39(1):43-55.
"Mean levels of epidermal skin moisture, elasticity and skin thickness were improved at the end of treatment based on both subjective and objective evaluation in patients with hormone replacement therapy (HRT). Skin surface lipids were increased during combined HRT, which may reflect stimulatory effects of the progestagen component on sebaceous gland activity, while oestrogen alone has a sebum-suppressive action."
Climacteric. 2007 Aug;10(4):289-97.
"Estrogens have a profound influence on skin. The relative hypoestrogenism that accompanies menopause exacerbates the deleterious effects of both intrinsic and environmental aging. Estrogens prevent skin aging. They increase skin thickness and improve skin moisture. Beneficial effects of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) on skin aging have been well documented"
Ann Endocrinol (Paris). 2006 Dec;67(6):575-80.
"Estrogen treatment in post menopausal women has been shown to increase collagen content, dermal thickness and elasticity. Biophysical properties are also significantly improved for the parameters reflecting hydration and sebum secretion."
Br J Dermatol. 2005 Sep;153(3):626-34.
"The results of this study demonstrate that topical (...) progesterone acts primarily in increasing elasticity and firmness in the skin of peri- and postmenopausal women. These effects in combination with good tolerability make progesterone a possible treatment agent for slowing down the ageing process of female skin after onset of the menopause."
I can personally vouch for its effects on my skin, especially when I started taking oral micronized progesterone combined with injectable E.
"Reactive oxygen species (ROS) cause severe damage to extracellular matrix and to molecular structure of DNA, proteins and lipids. Accumulation of these molecular changes apparently constitutes the basis of cell ageing. 17b-estradiol (E2) has a key role in skin ageing homeostasis as evidenced by the accelerated decline in skin appearance seen in the perimenopausal years. Oestrogens improve many aspects of the skin such as skin thickness, vascularization, collagen content and quality. Despite these clinical evidences, the effects of oestrogens on skin at the cellular level need further clarification."
"In this study we highlight that the menopause-associated oestrogens decline is involved in reduced collagen production and that E2 could counteract the detrimental effects of oxidative stress on the dermal compartment during skin aging. Furthermore, our data show that physiological concentrations of oestrogens are able to interfere with ROS-mediated cell viability reduction and to protect human skin cells against oxidative damage to cellular membranes and nucleic acids structure."
"Our experimental data show that the presence of 17β-estradiol may protect skin cells against oxidative damage and that the dramatic lowering of oestrogen levels during menopause, could render skin more susceptible to oxidative damage."
Rejuvenation Res. 2012 Jun;15(3):302-12.
"Prevention of skin aging by estrogen/progesterone replacement therapy is effective if administered early after menopause and influences intrinsically aged skin only."
Maturitas. 2001 Jul 25;39(1):43-55.
"Mean levels of epidermal skin moisture, elasticity and skin thickness were improved at the end of treatment based on both subjective and objective evaluation in patients with hormone replacement therapy (HRT). Skin surface lipids were increased during combined HRT, which may reflect stimulatory effects of the progestagen component on sebaceous gland activity, while oestrogen alone has a sebum-suppressive action."
Climacteric. 2007 Aug;10(4):289-97.
"Estrogens have a profound influence on skin. The relative hypoestrogenism that accompanies menopause exacerbates the deleterious effects of both intrinsic and environmental aging. Estrogens prevent skin aging. They increase skin thickness and improve skin moisture. Beneficial effects of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) on skin aging have been well documented"
Ann Endocrinol (Paris). 2006 Dec;67(6):575-80.
"Estrogen treatment in post menopausal women has been shown to increase collagen content, dermal thickness and elasticity. Biophysical properties are also significantly improved for the parameters reflecting hydration and sebum secretion."
Br J Dermatol. 2005 Sep;153(3):626-34.
"The results of this study demonstrate that topical (...) progesterone acts primarily in increasing elasticity and firmness in the skin of peri- and postmenopausal women. These effects in combination with good tolerability make progesterone a possible treatment agent for slowing down the ageing process of female skin after onset of the menopause."
I can personally vouch for its effects on my skin, especially when I started taking oral micronized progesterone combined with injectable E.