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Title: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: rose on December 08, 2016, 03:58:17 AM
Hi all
I'm MTF on hrt for 8 years now
But I still have some muscles I would love to get rid of it along with fat

Any advice :) I'm 5'7 and 155 lb I want to be 128 or 125
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Dani on December 25, 2016, 08:06:19 PM
Rose,

We all would like to be 125 pounds and 5'7".

I am much taller and larger. But I did lose over 100 pounds over 2 years.

I have 2 suggestions:

1) Diet - eat a lot of vegetables and avoid animal fat. Count calories and limit your intake to an amount that will get you at your desired weight. For 125 pounds, a caloric intake of 1800 calories per day is about right.

2) Exercise - Lots of Aerobic exercise and no weight training.

28 pounds is a lot for a 155 pound woman to lose, especially if she has been under the influence of Testosterone for many years.

Really, weight is just a number. Do you like the way you look at 155 pounds? Take another look at yourself at 145 pounds and see if you like that.

Most important, do NOT starve yourself. Eat properly.
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on December 26, 2016, 07:22:25 AM
Are you being realistic with your weight goals.  I am 5'11 and wanted to be under 150 lbs and when I started getting close found it highly undesirable.  I got to 157 and started looking like a skeleton and my face started looking real sharp and angular again.  Check your body fat and get it to a healthy place, 18 to 25%, and let the scale follow.

This was at 157 lbs with about 14% body fat using calipers and the female formulas.  (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff341%2Fdebbie7571%2FForum%2520Pics%2FB90FDCB4-1ACF-4CD1-9862-5B89EF0FE396_zps3543auqu.jpg&hash=25ff11d932c949c89eaa52a68a34c29fc526f5b2) (http://s50.photobucket.com/user/debbie7571/media/Forum%20Pics/B90FDCB4-1ACF-4CD1-9862-5B89EF0FE396_zps3543auqu.jpg.html)


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Dayta on December 26, 2016, 08:14:19 AM
I tend to believe that healthy behaviours are more important than "healthy" results.  Honor your body with food that nourishes it, even if that means treats that boost your spirit.  And as you age, please don't neglect balance and flexibility as important aspects of your overall health.  I've found the practice of yoga to be a remarkable way to train both one's body and mind. 

Erin
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 01, 2017, 05:18:38 PM
I want to second the healthy habits.  Everyone needs nurishment in order to be healthy.  The more you work out, the more your body needs to replenish, so don't forget this as you workout.

I started my latest "push" towards my goal weight of 185 lbs on October 31st, well technically a week or so before this.  But it required a dramatic change in my lifestyle.  Now I love me some beer, but it is just empty calories and went directly to my waist, so I quit, cold turkey.  I also started tracking what I ate so that I became more aware of the "stuff" I put in my mouth.  This helped me go from 212 on 10/31 to 189 today.  Now that might seem like a lot for just changing what I eat, but I also ampted up my workouts, trying to get in a 5 mile run everyday, plus daily exercises for my glutes and thighs (trying to shape them up a little more through non-surgical means).  Now add onto this a few hours of roller derby and I burn a heck of a lot of calories per day, so if I reduce the amount of "bad" calories and food that I intake by replacing them with "good" calories and food, I feel better and have actually had positive results.

Now you may be thinking 189, that isn't very light, well I am 5' 15" tall, so I am a giant :)  And ideally if I can stabilize my weight at 185, I can maintain enough muscle and body fat to still look feminine without looking too gaunt or underweight.  So keep in mind that body measurements and "ideal" weight ratios vary from person to person.  You need to find the right solution for you so that you remain healthy, happy, and IMHO fit.

Stay active and you will reach your goals!! (That is my inspiration speech)  :)

Best of luck to you!!
-Sarah

Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: DawnOday on January 01, 2017, 06:39:35 PM
So far Michelle_P is keeping me on the straight and narrow in terms of exercises. My body has lost as much weight as it is going to without exercise. So far 80 lbs. Would you be interested in building an exercise support group? Hey everyone needs exercise even girls 5'7" 154 lbs. As well as ones who start out 6'3" and 300 lbs.

Let me know what you think and we can make it happen. That goes for anyone else who reads this and has problems doing the exercise. We can inspire each other.
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 01, 2017, 07:23:35 PM
A support group sounds like a great idea.  I got restarted in Sep after four months of laziness and 27 pounds of gained weight [emoji33]. I've been getting it done but have to overcome some severe lack of motivation at least once or twice a week.  :-)


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Michelle_P on January 02, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
Quote from: DawnOday on January 01, 2017, 06:39:35 PM
So far Michelle_P is keeping me on the straight and narrow in terms of exercises. My body has lost as much weight as it is going to without exercise. So far 80 lbs. Would you be interested in building an exercise support group? Hey everyone needs exercise even girls 5'7" 154 lbs. As well as ones who start out 6'3" and 300 lbs.

Let me know what you think and we can make it happen. That goes for anyone else who reads this and has problems doing the exercise. We can inspire each other.

Oh, great idea!

I got some real-life nudging today in spite of the holiday, and managed to get in over 11,000 steps.  It feels good to be back at that level.  The new boots help...  ;)



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Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: CoriM on January 02, 2017, 01:38:23 AM
Grr... You girls get it going, and I'll stick to modifying my diet for now. Real exercise has to wait until I get my new knee in March, then the fun can start!
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Mirya on January 02, 2017, 01:55:36 AM
I am 125 lbs and 5' 7"  :)

I eat a lot of greek yogurt.  Especially the ones with zero added sugars and 0% fat.  They have lots of protein (about 25% of the daily value from just one cup), they're only around 100 calories each, and they make you feel pretty full.

Lean meats like boneless skinless chicken breast and fish are my staples.  I'll only eat beef or pork maybe once a week.  Lean steaks are ok, but ground beef (hamburgers) and especially sausages are bad - I eat those maybe once a month.  Bacon is out of the question.  I don't even remember the last time I ate bacon.

Sugary drinks and alcohol are usually the biggest culprits in a high-calorie diet.  I don't drink alcohol at all, except for really special events (like New Year's Eve!).  No sodas and no orange juice either (too much sugar).  My beverages consist almost entirely of water and 0% fat milk.
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 02, 2017, 07:46:05 AM
If one is trying to lose weight then an electronic food scale and diet tracking to maintain a healthy calorie deficit will greatly enhance success.  Whenever I do this then consistent weight loss is guaranteed.

The app I recommend is MyFitnessPal, Calorie Counter & Diet Tracker by MyFitnessPal by MyFitnessPal.com
https://appsto.re/us/oXSvu.i , in the IPhone App Store.  It has a huuuuge food database, great features, and a nice community.

The other thing, as mentioned above by Mirya, is to mostly eliminate refined carbohydrates.  This has the added benefit of allowing you to eat quite a bit of actual nutritious food and still maintain the calorie deficit.

Whenever I get disciplined and keep my sugar intake low I can lose weight quickly and consistently.  When I get lazy and start eating that stuff again I'll start gaining weight almost immediately.  Plus, all that sugar tends to make me feel sluggish.

I treat this whole diet business like a game.  I track and record everything and try to keep my streaks going.  Every day that I succeed it's a new high score to beat tomorrow.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: DawnOday on January 02, 2017, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: Mirya on January 02, 2017, 01:55:36 AM
I am 125 lbs and 5' 7"  :)

I eat a lot of greek yogurt.  Especially the ones with zero added sugars and 0% fat.  They have lots of protein (about 25% of the daily value from just one cup), they're only around 100 calories each, and they make you feel pretty full.

Lean meats like boneless skinless chicken breast and fish are my staples.  I'll only eat beef or pork maybe once a week.  Lean steaks are ok, but ground beef (hamburgers) and especially sausages are bad - I eat those maybe once a month.  Bacon is out of the question.  I don't even remember the last time I ate bacon.

Sugary drinks and alcohol are usually the biggest culprits in a high-calorie diet.  I don't drink alcohol at all, except for really special events (like New Year's Eve!).  No sodas and no orange juice either (too much sugar).  My beverages consist almost entirely of water and 0% fat milk.

Myra
You must have been small to begin with. As in my case, most have dropped all the weight we can maintaining a healthy calorie count and adjusting diets. There is a point where we hit a plateau and exercise is the only way to proceed.
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: DawnOday on January 02, 2017, 10:58:58 AM
Here is a handy dandy calorie calculator to help set weight loss goals.  http://www.calculator.net/calorie-calculator.html

Unfortunately my mind is always saying. Umm cookies.
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 02, 2017, 11:29:41 AM
If I eat at a nutrient balance of carbs 40%, protein 30%, fat 30% and keep a daily calorie deficit, with exercise, of 500 to 1000 calories, I'll lose weight steadily.  If I keep the sugar quantity low and drink a lot of water then hunger is not a big issue


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2017, 12:50:20 PM
I will also add that exercise is Amazing for you.... but not the secret to weight loss. You really need 30 min/day of medium intensity exercise (get heart rate over 110 or a light sweat) 5 days a week.

Also, the best diet is one that you can stick with. Because if you are in agony while on the diet, doubtful you'll be able to maintain the diet once you hit your goal weight.

https://youtu.be/SFBBjynBpSw

https://youtu.be/fCtn4Ap8kDM

https://youtu.be/hdY-NJq6zVQ


Hugs,
~Brooke~
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Mirya on January 02, 2017, 03:45:52 PM
Quote from: DawnOday on January 02, 2017, 10:26:52 AM
Myra
You must have been small to begin with. As in my case, most have dropped all the weight we can maintaining a healthy calorie count and adjusting diets. There is a point where we hit a plateau and exercise is the only way to proceed.

Yes, I exercise a lot too.  :)  I run for 30-40 min, 6 days a week.  And I also do strength training for 30 min, 3-4 days a week.  That is of course in addition to my very healthy diet.

I actually would like to lose a bit more weight though.  125 lbs is good, but I wish I could get to and stay at 119 lbs.  Laura Vandervoort, for example, is 5' 7" and 117 lbs.  It is really, really hard to get below 125 lbs and stay there though.  I think I'd have to completely give up the occasional cheat meal in order to do that, and I don't think I can do that in the long run (for example, I ate Korean BBQ today, lol).
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2017, 04:11:47 PM
Just a warning to the dieters out there that a low bmi (under 20) is associated with a higher risk of mortality.

https://youtu.be/MKm7rKhf98I


Hugs,
~Brooke~
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 02, 2017, 04:36:19 PM
I'm safe then.  Today mine was 25.  My goal is between 22 and 23.   That leaves me looking pretty skinny in the lower 160s.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2017, 04:48:33 PM
Same for now. I'm at around 21. Trying to maintain.

Though having lost around 100 lbs I have that loose skin around my belly.

I also partake in intermittent fasting daily, for various other reasons that help several chronic illnesses I have. Not related to weight. At this point though I have to make sure I get enough calories a day. Kinda weird being on that end of the spectrum.

My extra weight was a result of misdiagnosed and mistreated conditions where the medication side effects combined with the underlying illness caused massive weight gain. Got correct treatment and correct meds and my weight dropped back to what it was pre condition (only 18 years of misdiagnosis lol)


Hugs,
~Brooke~
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: somewhat on January 02, 2017, 05:29:03 PM
You don't really sound like you need to lose weight  :) but I do have some experience with losing and gaining weight.

I've found that if the problem is eating too much or stress eating, it's good to find a hobby that's more interesting than eating, that requires your full attention, like playing games, or having sex/masturbating. Not having appetising food at your immediate disposal helps as well as eating a lot of fibres.

When it comes down to exercise, running burns calories without increasing muscle mass much. I've read that it may actually decrease muscle mass if you do long-distance running. Otherwise I don't know any healthy way to decrease muscle mass other than wait and let the hormones do their work.  :-\
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2017, 05:42:58 PM
You can also do strength training to avoid loss of useable strength. If done right there shouldn't be much bulking up, just a toned appearance


Hugs,
~Brooke~
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: DawnOday on January 03, 2017, 10:27:28 AM
I found a new way to lose weight. I went to the electrologist yesterday and at 10 calories a jolt I figured I jumped enough to work off 3000 calories.  >:-)
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Brooke on January 03, 2017, 12:24:47 PM
Quote from: DawnOday on January 03, 2017, 10:27:28 AM
I found a new way to lose weight. I went to the electrologist yesterday and at 10 calories a jolt I figured I jumped enough to work off 3000 calories.  >:-)
Dangit! Does that mean I was mistaken about my weight loss methods the past year and it's really just the 150 hours under the electric needle!

Awwwh Geez! They said weight loss would be painful but wow! I dunno if the girlish figure is worth keeping up if it's gonna be like this!
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: DawnOday on January 03, 2017, 03:42:31 PM
Quote from: Brooke on January 03, 2017, 12:24:47 PM
Dangit! Does that mean I was mistaken about my weight loss methods the past year and it's really just the 150 hours under the electric needle!

Awwwh Geez! They said weight loss would be painful but wow! I dunno if the girlish figure is worth keeping up if it's gonna be like this!

Such a glutton, going again tomorrow. I hope the anesthetic cream works better tomorrow.  Woo hoo. Only 27,321 hairs to go.
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 04, 2017, 08:34:25 AM
That is one thing I do not miss, which is strange because I love getting tattooed.  Weird!!

But yes, I definitely felt like I had a workout following my electrolysis appointments.  :)
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 07, 2017, 08:22:36 AM
This thread got me motivated to get serious about my diet again and I started tracking it last Sat.  I lost 5.3 lbs this week, wooohoooo [emoji847].  The majority of that was in the first two days from cutting out the massive amount of chocolate and chips I was eating, over 1000 cal per day, but incremental loss continued all week.  I averaged about 1800 cal in all week which has always been my magic number for losing weight quickly without being too hungry.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 07, 2017, 01:21:58 PM
That is fantastic Deborah. 

When I made up my mind to lose the weight, I started tracking my progress daily in a spreadsheet (I am kind of a data nerd).  This helped me see what I was eating, how much my weight fluxuated (and it will fluxuate), and what exercises I was doing.  I highly advise adding a workout into your weight loss plans, even if you just start by walking around the block.

I look at increasing my physical activity to target the areas I want to work on.  Lately I have added in some booty workouts to strengthen my glutes.  I know I will never end up with a perky little butt, but I should be able to strenghen to muscels there which should improve their tone and shape.

I started at 222lbs back at the end of October, now I am at 188lbs this morning.  My goal is to maintain between 180 & 185.  This will help me maintain the physique I need for skating while still maintaining a slim waist.  Just for reference, I am 6' 3", and my measurements are now:
Chest: 40"
Waist: 32"
Hips: 41"

Best of luck Deborah, keep up the progress and let us know how it is going...you got some cheerleaders here to motivate you!!  WooHoo

-Sarah
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: flytrap on January 07, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
Yoga is great for this and there are lots of great tips on ProAna sites for getting super skinny. The vomiting thing is kinda gross and you have to burn 7000 calories to lose a crummy pound, so I just keep to about 1300 calories a day, mainly rice, fruit and veggies.

I'm 5'10" 146 pounds, a good athletic build that looks great in a bikini (Juniors size 7 pants and large tops). When somebody tells me I'm too skinny, I tell them they're too fat!
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Abbiem on January 07, 2017, 09:10:32 PM
Never yoga but to loose weight, is boxing. kick boxing
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Abbiem on January 07, 2017, 09:25:10 PM
can u show us ur photos, my husband is 189 cm,  skinny, 60 kilos, doesnot do yoga, blonde, blue eyes, long hair, no beard.
i asked him once how he stays skinny and he replied stick with the winners
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 08, 2017, 07:20:39 AM
Quote from: Inarasarah on January 07, 2017, 01:21:58 PM
When I made up my mind to lose the weight, I started tracking my progress daily in a spreadsheet (I am kind of a data nerd).
LOL, you and me both.  Mine has so much data each day that I have to hide columns to get it to print on one page width. [emoji851]

QuoteI look at increasing my physical activity to target the areas I want to work on.
I did that back in Sept and have been working it since.  It did put a halt to the rapid weight gain I was seeing but without adding some attention to my diet intake I was holding at a steady weight.  Right now I either run or briskly walk (or a combination of the two) five miles every day and aim for a minimum of 90 minutes exercise every day (that includes the brisk walking).  Last week that ranged from a daily total of 16,000 to 24,000 steps.  I do need to add some muscular exercise but I just really hate doing that and really like to run.

One thing though is that some combination of HRT and frequent blood donations have left me with a really low hemoglobin level, borderline anemic.  This, and the lack of T now makes improving way more slow than it used to be.  I try to put that out of my mind and just enjoy being out and moving.  I started taking some iron so hopefully I'll see higher hemoglobin on my next blood test.

QuoteI started at 222lbs back at the end of October, now I am at 188lbs this morning.  My goal is to maintain between 180 & 185.
I started at 205 in Jan 15 when I started HRT.  I was down to 157 this April and then got demotivated by the summer heat, and slow improvement, and by Sept was at 185, 28 lb gain in four months.  Last week when I started I was at 182.9 and this morning at 177.6. 

I'm 5'11 and right now I measure,
Chest 42.5
Waist 34 (at the narrowest point)
Hips 40.5

I have an immediate goal of 165 but my real goal all along has been to get rid of the fat on my waist.  My problem is that I have two fat pads on the sides of my lower back that are really stubborn and want to hang on until the last. Even at 157 they were still there with the rest of my body really lean (13.9% BF using calipers and the female calculations).  Right now I'm at around 20%.  It's almost enough to make me consider liposuction.  LOL



It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: TonyaW on January 08, 2017, 08:06:15 AM


Quote from: Inarasarah on January 01, 2017, 05:18:38 PM


Now you may be thinking 189, that isn't very light, well I am 5' 15" tall, so I am a giant :) 
-Sarah

I like the 5'15".  Same as me.  I'd take 189 in heartbeat.

I was 175 in high school same 5'15".  I looked  skinny then, probably would have even if I had been trying to present female in public at the time.

Currently at 230 trying to get under 200.  A ways to go but down from close to 260 this summer.  10 years ago went from 280 to 230 before it gradually crept back up due to not paying attention to my eating habits.

Both times I've dropped significant weight it's been from improved diet and eating habits and more regular exercise, which has been mostly just running. 

So like everyone is saying; healthy eating and regular exercise.  The slower it comes off the longer it will stay off. 

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Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 08, 2017, 01:20:19 PM
In high school i was 5'14" and 168, I was a twig.  LOL

I definitely lost an inch in height after transition and I don't form muscle the same, it is leaner and more fit.  my goal is another 5lbs and then I should be solidly between 180 & 185.  I am planning on following this up with a little nip and tucking on the old saggy parts...getting old is rough.  LOL

-Sarah
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Abbiem on January 08, 2017, 01:26:59 PM
Trying to loose weight by moving away from here, i think the weight will fall off.
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Brooke on January 09, 2017, 12:33:31 PM
I get the extra skin thing. Since losing weight during my transition I now have issues with tops that fit my shoulders and bust great, but below the rib cage the cut/shape of the shirt just accentuates my (mostly loose skin) muffin top. Was really hoping it would just be an issue of fat redistribution. Nope!

Anyone else run into this during transition? Clothing that should fit your body type and weight doesn't due to where you carried weight before hormones? If so how did you get around it?


Hugs,
~Brooke~
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 09, 2017, 03:34:25 PM
Brooke,

I have issues with this.  I use to call the extra weight on my tummy my beer baby, but now after losing weight my best friend calls it "the bagel".  :D  Basically it is fat, I cannot seem to shed, plus there is extra fat in my mons area.  Since I am almost at my target weight, I am looking to lipo these areas.  I have a consult in Los Angeles next week.  I'll let you know what he says

Weight loss overall has helped my shape, basically improved diet and exercise.  It still takes time.  I keep challenging myself everyday to remain focused and strong.  Hopefully this helps :)

-Sarah
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Mirya on January 09, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: Brooke on January 02, 2017, 04:11:47 PM
Just a warning to the dieters out there that a low bmi (under 20) is associated with a higher risk of mortality.

I'm willing to accept a 13% increased mortality rate for being under 20 BMI.  :)  I won't go lower than 18.5 though.

Quote from: Brooke on January 09, 2017, 12:33:31 PM
I get the extra skin thing. Since losing weight during my transition I now have issues with tops that fit my shoulders and bust great, but below the rib cage the cut/shape of the shirt just accentuates my (mostly loose skin) muffin top. Was really hoping it would just be an issue of fat redistribution. Nope!

Anyone else run into this during transition? Clothing that should fit your body type and weight doesn't due to where you carried weight before hormones? If so how did you get around it?

I have a local trans friend that, like you, lost more than 100 lbs.  But she also has that loose skin around her belly now (where the fat used to be).  The only solution is to get a tummy tuck - something that she is planning to do someday soon, she hopes.  The extra skin won't go away on its own.
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Brooke on January 09, 2017, 05:07:52 PM
Quote from: Mirya on January 09, 2017, 03:58:28 PM
I have a local trans friend that, like you, lost more than 100 lbs.  But she also has that loose skin around her belly now (where the fat used to be).  The only solution is to get a tummy tuck - something that she is planning to do someday soon, she hopes.  The extra skin won't go away on its own.

Grumble grumble. Yeah I'd really prefer not to get a tummy tuck. I might have a slight chance for my body to bounce back. My weight fluctuated wildly. When I was at my heaviest it was only for about 18 months. Before that I was in the mid 180s for several years. My dad, who is also a MD gave the example of women who after childbirth have their skin become normal over the course of nine months to a year. He thinks that in a year I'll be more or less normal.

On the subject of tummy tucks I've read that some surgeons will take a skin graft from the stomach if it's needed for The GCS surgery. I'm considering just waiting until I get that done, and if it's not needed possibly staying longer in Thailand to get a tummy tuck done during the same trip.

There is a physician Dr. Jason Fung who uses a low carb high fat ketogenic diet, intermittent fasting, and protein restriction for his obese patients to help with weight loss and (protein restriction) to induce autophagy (basically a process the body does to cleanup old, broken, damaged or no longer needed cells and tissue) and believes that the extra skin is protein that the body should catabolized.

( https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-and-autophagy-fasting-25/ )

It seems that in theory this should work but I have not seen any hard data on the extra skin bit. (Not to mention fung's ideas are pretty controversial and he has a habit of cherry picking his data).

In any case I am on his recommended protocol for other reasons, before I even heard of him. I use a strict ketogenic diet for seizure control and daily intermittent fasting that is supposed to assist with nerve damage, which I have a systemic problem with. I suppose if I can avoid surgery it's just icing on the cake.

I would not recommend the above to anyone. Just food for thought, and if I hadn't already been on the protocol for a year I would not have started for the long shot of a flat stomach.



Hugs,
~Brooke~
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 09, 2017, 06:51:39 PM
Quote from: Deborah on January 08, 2017, 07:20:39 AM
My problem is that I have two fat pads on the sides of my lower back that are really stubborn and want to hang on until the last. Even at 157 they were still there with the rest of my body really lean (13.9% BF using calipers and the female calculations).  Right now I'm at around 20%.  It's almost enough to make me consider liposuction.  LOL

Deborah, I have this too, plus my bagel pouch around my navel...I just cannot get rid of that.  But the worst is the fat on my mons pubis.  There are really no exercises that target that area.  So frustrating and as I lose more weight I fear it is more noticable.  I am heading to LA in a week for a consult on some structural fine tuning ;)  You better believe I am going to ask about these troublesome fatty areas.

I love all this motivation.  It is helping me as well!!

-S
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 14, 2017, 12:07:28 PM
I finished up my second week of this round of reducing my size.  Despite having a really bad cold, or maybe mild flu, all week, I met my daily exercise goals and ended with a weekly average loss of .9 lbs for 5.7 lbs lost total; 12 lbs to go.   

I might have lost a little more but on Wed I was feeling wiped out sick and stayed home from work.  To compensate I ate a ton of junk.  I lost track of the exact amount but it was at least 1700 calories over my total burned that day.  LOL.  It didn't really work to make me feel better either.[emoji35]


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Brooke on January 14, 2017, 01:51:24 PM
Quote from: Deborah on January 14, 2017, 12:07:28 PM
I finished up my second week of this round of reducing my size.  Despite having a really bad cold, or maybe mild flu, all week, I met my daily exercise goals and ended with a weekly average loss of .9 lbs for 5.7 lbs lost total; 12 lbs to go.   

I might have lost a little more but on Wed I was feeling wiped out sick and stayed home from work.  To compensate I ate a ton of junk.  I lost track of the exact amount but it was at least 1700 calories over my total burned that day.  LOL.  It didn't really work to make me feel better either.[emoji35]


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves

I think we all have those days where we get cravings, our willpower is depleted, and end up giving in. Cheat days are funny that way. We eat whatever we want, satisfy our cravings, and then realize it didn't really make us feel better. Throw in the guilt of the indulgence and it's the perfect recipe for another couple weeks of willpower to stick to the diet.

One thing I have troubles with now is actually enjoying the cheat meals/days. I end up feeling like I failed and never completely enjoy what I'm indulging in. I think for me it kind of feeds into my obsessive personality. I have to keep an eye on making sure "eating healthy" doesn't become mentally harmful.

Anyone have this issue? If so what techniques, strategies, or habits do you have to make sure you keep a healthy relationship with food?


Hugs,
~Brooke~
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 14, 2017, 02:09:30 PM
The only strategy I have for eating healthy, and not just eating to lose weight, is to run a lot with the dual goals of health and fitness and to track both my calories and nutrients to feed myself properly.  Beyond that, I allow myself to eat anything.  The irony of it all is that once you eat to get a proper nutrient balance, adequate fiber, and reduced sugar (to the recommended amount) it always leads to a day of healthy choices.

If I'm not doing that I default back to a ton of sugar and end up feeling physically worse all the time.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 14, 2017, 03:54:17 PM
So the last two days I have had dinners with friends and of course ate more than I would have on my own.  These things happen and are necessary if I want a social life.  Fortunately all of it resulted in about 4 pounds, so back to work today with a long run and more work.

I just wish I could find an exercise to reduce the fat on my mons...so frustrating
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 20, 2017, 12:38:28 AM
I met one of my goals today.  I clocked in at 185 this morning.  That is the weight I was at when I started transition back in 2002.  Progress!!

I still need to get to a nice solid place between 180 & 185 and maintain it, but I still reached this milestone and I am happy :)
Title: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 20, 2017, 03:33:22 AM
That's great, especially after that little up blip last week. :-).  Now comes the hard part which is maintaining it long term.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 20, 2017, 10:10:43 AM
Very true.  The good news is, that the changes to my diet and exercise have become habit, and I no longer feel the need to "cheat" or "splurge".  That is the biggest help.

Next Tuesday I am going for a consult with Dr Mayer in LA.  I love that I made my target weight before this, so that he can see the extra saggy skin I want cleaned up :)
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: RavenMoon on January 20, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
Stop eating meat. I lost lots of weight and muscle. I look like I did when I was 13! Lol (I'm 59). Even my ex wife said "how did you get thinner than me?!" And she was very petite when we met.

As an added benefit I feel much healthier now.  I've been a vegetarian for about 3 years.  [emoji3]


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Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Deborah on January 21, 2017, 02:06:22 PM
I finished up week three of my weight loss program with an average  weekly weight at a 4.3 lb loss from the previous week.  So, 11 lbs lost since New Year's Day and 7 lbs left to my initial goal of 165.  Once I get there I'm going to adjust what I'm doing and probably eat more.


It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Title: Re: I need advice on Losing weight and muscle
Post by: Inarasarah on January 23, 2017, 09:42:02 PM
Huge, compliment today!  I went to the local pub, mainly because I was craving bangers and mash--don't judge.  Anyway, the bartender, who I have not seen in months, commented right away: "have you lost weight?"

I love these comments even if I am feeling less that fit.  Totally made me feel all special today, so I had to share :)