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Title: For trans women killed by Oakland fire, struggle for respect continues in death
Post by: stephaniec on December 17, 2016, 02:39:55 PM
Post by: stephaniec on December 17, 2016, 02:39:55 PM
For trans women killed by Oakland fire, struggle for respect continues in death
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/06/oakland-fire-ghost-ship-transgender-victims-them-are-us-too
The Guardian/By Sam Levin in San Francisco
Tuesday 6 December 2016 16.59 EST
"Instead of grieving for her friends, Scout Wolfcave has spent the last two days phoning news reporters and begging them not to disrespect the transgender women who died by calling them "men" in their reports and refusing to use their proper names.
Feral Pines, Cash Askew and Em B were victims of the devastating fire on Friday night at an Oakland warehouse, known as the Ghost Ship, where at least 36 people died, many of them young artists, musicians and activists."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/06/oakland-fire-ghost-ship-transgender-victims-them-are-us-too
The Guardian/By Sam Levin in San Francisco
Tuesday 6 December 2016 16.59 EST
"Instead of grieving for her friends, Scout Wolfcave has spent the last two days phoning news reporters and begging them not to disrespect the transgender women who died by calling them "men" in their reports and refusing to use their proper names.
Feral Pines, Cash Askew and Em B were victims of the devastating fire on Friday night at an Oakland warehouse, known as the Ghost Ship, where at least 36 people died, many of them young artists, musicians and activists."
Title: Re: For trans women killed by Oakland fire, struggle for respect continues in death
Post by: zamber74 on December 17, 2016, 03:19:46 PM
Post by: zamber74 on December 17, 2016, 03:19:46 PM
I swear people can be so insensitive, it is like they actually get a kick out of desecrating the dead, it speaks volumes regarding society in general. Whatever happened to respect the dead? I guess that just does not fit into their little world.. grrrr!
Title: Re: For trans women killed by Oakland fire, struggle for respect continues in death
Post by: Devlyn on December 17, 2016, 04:42:51 PM
Post by: Devlyn on December 17, 2016, 04:42:51 PM
I am saddened by the loss of life in this incident. However, I was afraid I was going to see something like this in the article:
"Wolfcave, an Oregon-based trans woman and close friend of Pines, said that when the police and the media incorrectly use "he" pronouns for the women and refer to them by the names on their legal documents, it is deeply hurtful to the trans community."
Folks, if your identification says male, no one is being disrespectful calling you male. Preferred names mean nothing. Where would we be if the police and authorities started ignoring the documents and referring to people by whatever name, gender, or ethnicity came into their head first?
If you want to be identified as something other than what is currently on your legal documents, it is your responsibility to get them changed.
Hugs, Devlyn
"Wolfcave, an Oregon-based trans woman and close friend of Pines, said that when the police and the media incorrectly use "he" pronouns for the women and refer to them by the names on their legal documents, it is deeply hurtful to the trans community."
Folks, if your identification says male, no one is being disrespectful calling you male. Preferred names mean nothing. Where would we be if the police and authorities started ignoring the documents and referring to people by whatever name, gender, or ethnicity came into their head first?
If you want to be identified as something other than what is currently on your legal documents, it is your responsibility to get them changed.
Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: For trans women killed by Oakland fire, struggle for respect continues in death
Post by: Michelle_P on December 17, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
Post by: Michelle_P on December 17, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 17, 2016, 04:42:51 PM
Folks, if your identification says male, no one is being disrespectful calling you male. Preferred names mean nothing. Where would we be if the police and authorities started ignoring the documents and referring to people by whatever name, gender, or ethnicity came into their head first?
If you want to be identified as something other than what is currently on your legal documents, it is your responsibility to get them changed.
Hugs, Devlyn
Yeah, unfortunately, the dead can't speak up with their preferred pronouns and gender identity. All the coroner can go by is what official ID can be recovered from the deceased, whether by personal effects, fingerprints, or dental records.
Off-topic, but changing ID in California is pretty straightforward, and not even terribly expensive if you have some patience and can follow instructions carefully. The Transgender Law Center in Oakland has a very detailed step-by-step brochure describing how to do this:
http://transgenderlawcenter.org/issues/id/id-please
It tells you exactly what forms are needed and what steps to take to change your name, gender marker, or both. A number of my friends have followed this successfully, and I'm right in the middle of it now.
Once your ID is correct, you won't be misgendered by the coroner. Heck, you can even get a new birth certificate that doesn't hint at your past, and pee in the right bathroom in North Carolina legally.
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