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Dr. J. Spiegel FFS Review.

Hey everyone! Here is my rather long, yet detailed account of my Facial Feminisation Surgery experience. :)

I've started my transition in early January 2016 (at age 23) the same week of my Boston consultation trip, surprisingly. During my last months I was researching and trying to decide an FFS surgeon - I've read through many forums, FFS surgery videos and looked through RealSelf. I felt that I definitely needed surgery to restore my confidence and be complete from within, as I knew hormones (HRT) would have its limitations into facial bone structure as far as it goes. So, I've researched numerous doctors specialised in FFS around the world and finally came to a conclusion that Dr. Spiegel was the right surgeon for me.

I arrived at Boston in January 2016 to meet for a consultation with Dr. Spiegel vis-a-vis. The consultation as far as I remember was about an hour long all together. I was really excited to go through my thoughts and feelings of what I really wanted done and the ideal image of that woman I ought to have been born. Although, I never had difficulty passing as a female even without any application of makeup sometimes, I still felt insecure about some of my masculine facial features and this is the reason why I've decided to do FFS. Luckily, I was blessed to be femininely androgynous to begin with, and didn't need significantly/overdone major work. I was still really unhappy with my chin and jaw-line mostly. The rest of my facial features were okay, not very masculine anyhow, but still definitely needed refinement here and there. I needed a surgeon with artistic talent and natural looking results, hence Dr. Spiegel was the choice for me.

I thought about whether I should do the surgery all in 1 round or in 2 rounds. But, I've decided to opt to do it in 2 rounds for faster recovery and less discomfort from all the swelling I would be experiencing - perhaps I just wanted to see the changes slowly... and I knew that doing all the procedures would be far too much burden on my body. I was definitely excited for my surgery, and willing to travel back again for my round 2 during the same year.

After months of waiting and considering my options and which procedures I wanted to do. I booked my first surgery date for 5th January 2017 for round 1 (this will also be my 1 year post HRT). I'll be going into surgery to do: Trachea shave, Mandible contouring (jaw & chin), Lip lift, Lip augmentation (using my own dermal tissue) and Cheek augmentation. I was very excited at the time! Although I was worried what the swelling and pain would be like short-term, but I knew it would be worth it for a lifetime of happiness!

Then I booked my second surgery shortly afterwards, which was scheduled for 4th May 2017 (4 months after my first round of procedures) for just the Forehead contouring (removal of bony ridge) & Brow-lift, I didn't feel that I needed to include a rhinoplasty (in my case, this would be a revision rhinoplasty) as it was only a minor difference in tip work. Well, I was still kind of still happy with my primary rhinoplasty I did several years ago. Also, I knew that a forehead surgery would definitely open up my eyes, making a nice change to complete my profile.

Day before surgery, At pre-op appointment my surgeon went over what we were doing, and what needed to be changed and his further remarks and recommendations, we opted to include lip augmentation and go for large implants size in the end, pre-op lasted about 2 hours. And all aftercare instructions for each procedure and date/time of surgery is included.

Day of surgery, Day 1, the big day was finally here! The hard part was I wasn't able to eat or drink anything after midnight, and my surgery was until later around noon, but I managed it! :) I met all the staff, nurses, and Dr's for the operating room; they were all lovely and caring. Finally I met Dr. Spiegel, and we went over what we were having done. My time for surgery came, and I was given a medication where I completely passed out. From this point I don't remember anything! Until waking up all swollen & happy! :) The swelling wasn't as bad when I woke up. Day 2, the swelling increased and some bruising around my eyes, my lips were very very swollen, but I still liked how my face turned out even beyond all the swelling. I tried to manage to gather some sleep, and had applesauce in the morning which was really soothing, I really wanted to go back to the apartment and rest there. Start of Day 3! And the swelling is definitely at the highest peak point (eek) I'm trying to keep the liquids up drinking yoghurt and protein shakes to stay energised and drinking lots of water, I slept okay yesturday too, I don't feel much pain but from now on (2 painkillers & sleeping pills before bed usually help getting some rest) now it can only get better after today. At Day 5, I noticed the bruising increasing as it started to heal up fast and the swelling was going to eventually come down. I continued to drink lots of water (4 litres per day) take my medications, drink my protein shakes. Day 6, my lip sutures were removed, and I can see my profile much clearly, I loved the lip lift! :) By Day 7, most of the swelling around the eyes was completely gone, and I felt I've regained most of my strength back. I continued drinking at least 4 litres of water a day, and kept well fed, lots of soft food like boiled eggs and soup. By Day 14, majority of the swelling subsided but my left cheek, lips and neck area was still swollen. It's was differently getting better each day. I felt it was necessary to extended my stay further 11 days due to the excessive swelling. By around Day 21, I had seen Dr. Spiegel for my last visit before my flight back, he assured me everything was fine and OK - everything looked and felt so much better at this stage. By Week 6, I regained mostly all of my energy finally back and began to see my results! At this point the major part of the swelling was gone, I really liked how everything turned out.. :)

I'll try keep everyone updated on my FFS journey and my recovery. I'll post some pictures from the time to time, so that everyone considering FFS can make informed decisions on whether what they decide to do, and something they can be sure of that is definitely worth. Beyond the short-term minor pain, swellings and discomforts it's very rewarding in the long-term.

My advice is to take Vitamin-C (500mg), Arnica Montana, Bromelain (500mg) at at least 2-6 week after surgery. And, Icing for the first 3 days as much as possible. These help the swelling and bruising. Don't feel stressed or depressed with the swelling as it's definitely not the final result. I was freaking out from the swelling the first 2 weeks, it's norm to feel this way, so try not to fixate on this. It'll get better! I also recommend booking maybe an Airbnb if you're an outpatient.

With hindsight, I'd also advise to split you're procedures in two if you plan for full FFS: Upper-face (forehead), mid-face (cheeks/lips/nose) with lower-face (mandible/trachea), if you can. There'd be lot less discomfort from the swellings & recovery would also be quicker! (I'm glad I did it this way).

In conclusion, I'd definitely recommend Dr. Spiegel for he's knowledge, experience, natural and artistic looking results. Also, I would like to add that the staff there are very friendly and welcoming, and everything happened ever so smoothly. Thanks Dr. Spiegel for helping me feel a million times better, confident and happier with myself!

I hope I've covered everything. Feel free to DM, or reply if you've got any questions. Best Regards, Jacq. xoxo :)

Photos, I didn't know how to upload other than Imgur. Images are from Pre op day to about 6 weeks post op:
https://imgur.com/gallery/tJGDE

*I've left out the pictures of post-op days 1-7 because it was very graphic; this is the scary phase of recovery*

Wow - The straight-on picture of your lips and the lower part of your nose is remarkable. 

You look great; very pretty, and I can see a big difference between your before and after. I hope you took those negative comments on your page with a grain of salt, because they don't know what they're talking about, and must be blinded by jealousy.

I'm super really happy with the results. Its so natural and feminine. I've never been misgendered since and I get a lot more attention from guys now  :)
Thanks! Honestly yes some of those comments are really negative, because of jealousy people can say bad things about others. Forehead surgery left to do in May ill definitely post pictures in 3rd and 6th month marks :)

Thank you for sharing, you look very pretty! GL with the rest of your surgery!

The change of the chin is obvious, not sure why the people commenting on imgur do not see that. The change in the lip is more subtle but the goal was not to have balloon lips anyways. What other things did you change? I think those other changes are a bit more subtle too. But you said you split FFS in two parts, so some things will come later anyways?

Who did the rhinoplasty - not Dr Spiegel, I suppose, but it was done before? I wonder if it is better to get Rhinoplasty done elsewhere. I have the feeling FFS surgeons do rhinoplasty less good than specialists?

Thanks Yuna :)

Quote from: anjaq on February 16, 2017, 09:46:21 PM
The change of the chin is obvious, not sure why the people commenting on imgur do not see that. The change in the lip is more subtle but the goal was not to have balloon lips anyways. What other things did you change? I think those other changes are a bit more subtle too. But you said you split FFS in two parts, so some things will come later anyways?

Hey Anjaq, yes Dr Spiegel was aggressive on my chin, and my lips look super feminine and natural now. To recap; the first round (5th Jan) I had done cheek augmentation (CBSM-L), lip lift, lip augmentation, mandible contouring & trachea shave. The second round in a few months on (4th may) ill be doing the forehead contouring with brow lift, I'll make an update on that too :)

I've had a primary rhinoplasty ages ago about 3/4 years ago, by a plastic surgeon in London. Indeed, I believe FFS surgeons are not very good with rhinoplasty. I may be (considering) having a secondary rhinoplasty to do a little tip work after the forehead contouring with rhinoplasty specialist in London :)

Here's an update on my FFS.
This is 44 days (@6weeks) post-op:
https://imgur.com/a/v1IeD

It's definitely a major mark for major swelling to subside. Also, I'm not wearing any makeup in the photos.

Absolutely beautiful. :)

Hey Venus! You look stunning. I think I might follow that advice and have rhinoplasty done by a specialist, separate to FFS.

How are you finding the scarring from your lip lift?

Thanks!

Quote from: Ellement_of_Freedom on February 19, 2017, 01:25:14 AM
Hey Venus! You look stunning. I think I might follow that advice and have rhinoplasty done by a specialist, separate to FFS.

How are you finding the scarring from your lip lift?

Yep, it'll definitely work out better I'm sure! As for the lip-lift, it's faded to pink now tending towards white now. After the sutures were removed, I've been applying scar gel recover by 'SkinMedica' as recommended by Dr Spiegel's twice daily (midday and midnight) on the lip-lift & trachea shave incisions. Its definitely helps fade out the redness to white. I sometimes put powered foundation when going out sometimes too. It's definitely not as bad as it seems to be now, I'd definitely recommend this procedure, it's very feminising :)

Does it make sense to do the lip lift with the same surgeon doing the rhinoplasty?

I asked around and a lot of people told me to not do rhinoplasty and forehead together would compromise an optimal result because one cannot be done as radical as it can be if the surgeon has to assume that the other remains unchanged and they cannot really preemtively change one part more than the other because it would look disfigured until the other step is done :(

Quote from: anjaq on February 21, 2017, 05:27:09 PM
Does it make sense to do the lip lift with the same surgeon doing the rhinoplasty?

I asked around and a lot of people told me to not do rhinoplasty and forehead together would compromise an optimal result because one cannot be done as radical as it can be if the surgeon has to assume that the other remains unchanged and they cannot really preemtively change one part more than the other because it would look disfigured until the other step is done :(

Oh Anja.. we are always thinking the same things!

Quote from: anjaq on February 21, 2017, 05:27:09 PM
Does it make sense to do the lip lift with the same surgeon doing the rhinoplasty?

I asked around and a lot of people told me to not do rhinoplasty and forehead together would compromise an optimal result because one cannot be done as radical as it can be if the surgeon has to assume that the other remains unchanged and they cannot really preemtively change one part more than the other because it would look disfigured until the other step is done :(

Hey Anjaq, yes its better to do rhinoplasty and lip lift together. Due to the incision in base of the nose. But I would recommmend to do lip lift first, then the rhinoplasty, because it kind of changes the shape of the nostrils. I would agree on that too, (mandible, trachea, cheeks, lips, all done initially), forehead first then rhinoplasty second (to complete everything). But I'd also recommend if you're doing mandible contouring (chin + jaw shave) doing lip lift together also. It's definitely all about proportions, and the surgeon can make better results from this, and taking it slowly with informed decisions, and as not to rush everything. :)

Quote from: Venusxoxo on February 22, 2017, 03:18:21 AM
Hey Anjaq, yes its better to do rhinoplasty and lip lift together. Due to the incision in base of the nose. But I would recommmend to do lip lift first, then the rhinoplasty, because it kind of changes the shape of the nostrils. I would agree on that too, (mandible, trachea, cheeks, lips, all done initially), forehead first then rhinoplasty second (to complete everything). But I'd also recommend if you're doing mandible contouring (chin + jaw shave) doing lip lift together also. It's definitely all about proportions, and the surgeon can make better results from this, and taking it slowly with informed decisions, and as not to rush everything. :)

Didn't you do rhinoplasty first? Why should rhinoplasty be done second?

Quote from: Ellement_of_Freedom on February 22, 2017, 04:09:08 AM
Didn't you do rhinoplasty first? Why should rhinoplasty be done second?

Yes, my first surgery was a primary rhinoplasty, and my last surgery would also (hopefully) be a secondary rhinoplasty to reduce the size of my tip by a few mm, that's why I'm doing it again. Either way, but that's how I would do it. :)

Quote from: Venusxoxo on February 22, 2017, 03:18:21 AM
Hey Anjaq, yes its better to do rhinoplasty and lip lift together.

I'd also recommend if you're doing mandible contouring (chin + jaw shave) doing lip lift together also.

It's definitely all about proportions, and the surgeon can make better results from this, and taking it slowly with informed decisions, and as not to rush everything. :)

I am confused now - it sounds a bit like the best would be to do it all together to minimize scarring and because then each part goes better together, but then you say it should be done slowly, which sort of implies doing it step by step? Which makes more sense? I was always favouring a "all in one" approach to only have one surgery and one surgeon planning it all in the same aesthetics. I only questioned this now as I felt that a lot of people say they are unhappy with rhinoplasty by FFS surgeons, so I consider now to do that separately, although I'd rather not like to do that if it can be avoided.
Interestingly Facialteam, as I understand it, call in a rhinoplasty surgeon for the FFS, letting him do the nose instead of the same surgeon doing the rest also doing the nose. So in a way this makes sense in that context, but then again I am not sure - people complained about rhinoplasty with them as well, so maybe it is not really the problem of having someone else do it but maybe the problems are really from doing it both in one surgery?

Quote from: anjaq on February 23, 2017, 06:56:16 AM
I am confused now - it sounds a bit like the best would be to do it all together to minimize scarring and because then each part goes better together, but then you say it should be done slowly, which sort of implies doing it step by step? Which makes more sense? I was always favouring a "all in one" approach to only have one surgery and one surgeon planning it all in the same aesthetics. I only questioned this now as I felt that a lot of people say they are unhappy with rhinoplasty by FFS surgeons, so I consider now to do that separately, although I'd rather not like to do that if it can be avoided.
Interestingly Facialteam, as I understand it, call in a rhinoplasty surgeon for the FFS, letting him do the nose instead of the same surgeon doing the rest also doing the nose. So in a way this makes sense in that context, but then again I am not sure - people complained about rhinoplasty with them as well, so maybe it is not really the problem of having someone else do it but maybe the problems are really from doing it both in one surgery?

Hey Anjaq, honestly it definitely might be better to do all/as much as procedures in 1 go for faster recovery times in long term. But it's definitely down to the person, I prefer doing it in stages.

Here's some tips, that I made note when helping me to recover faster, i thought to include it as it might be helpful to anyone going for FFS...  :)

🌹Recovery & Routines for FFS🌹

• Medication:
  - Arnica Montana* (2 week before & 6 weeks after)
  - Bromelain - 500mg* (6 weeks after)
  - Vitamin C - 500mg* (2 week before & 6 weeks after)
  - Resume HRT* (after 7th day)
  - Antibiotics* (1 every 12 hours)
  - Painkillers* (1 every 4 hours)
  
  
• Daily routines:
  - Neosporin* (keep incisions moist for stitches for forehead)
  - Hydrogen peroxide (or pads) diluted in water* dipped in Q-tips to clean stitches around forehead
  - Ace bandage (keep wrapped around neck and face) change daily, keep on for 2 weeks.
  - Daily washing of hair w/ John's baby shampoo* (in forward motion)
  - Resume normal shampoo & conditioner after 3 weeks.
  - Towel dry hair & wash hair from behind. Then air dry, don't use blow drier.
  - Vaseline (for dry lips caused by the lip lift)
  
  
• Recovery #1: Food, etc.
  - Water (500ml bottles) 7p/day
  - Protein shakes
  - Fruit juices
  - Raspberries, banana, blackberries
  - Milk
  - Eggs 4-6p/day
  - Soup (chicken, pumpkin, sweet potato)
  - Chicken & mince meat
  - Oats porridge
  - Flexible straws
  - Gentle face cleaners
  - Kleenex
  - Kitchen towels
  - Q-tips
  - Frozen peas (used as icing) as much as possible until post-op 4th day (every 2 hours)
  
  
• Recovery #2: Resting
  - Bring warm comfy clothes; scarfs, loose shirt, sweatpants, sweat shirt, zip-ups
  - *Sleep at a 70 (degrees) angle (2 pillows - head above heart, no side sleeping, no face gestures, no talking, don't bend face down instead bend knees)*🌹
  - Chill with Netflix, books, iPad, iPhone & movies!
  - 3rd/4th day swealling peaks. So ice as much as possible.
  - Keep head elevated for 6 weeks after surgery (x2 pillows)
  - Intense exercise resumed 4/6 weeks after
  - Allow 6 weeks for major/significant swelling to reside and see the new outlook :)

Hi Venusxoxo,

Thanks for posting such a detailed experience with Dr Spiegel. Would you be comfortable sharing your before/after with your hair pulled back. Do you think Dr Spiegel was aggressive with your mandible contouring given ur jaw doesn't look too prominent too begin with. Also did he mention about any soft layer sagging issues down the road and possible solutions in case needed.

I have parts of my jaw that I feel could use some reduction, but afraid about soft layer sagging, unnatural outcome(horse face deformity as they refer to in Asia) due to over reduction, or barely noticeable outcome due to very subtle reduction and finally my ears looking more prominent in the profile view.

What's your experience like?

Thanks in advance

Quote from: Ypsf09 on March 04, 2017, 09:23:42 PM
Hi Venusxoxo,

Thanks for posting such a detailed experience with Dr Spiegel. Would you be comfortable sharing your before/after with your hair pulled back. Do you think Dr Spiegel was aggressive with your mandible contouring given ur jaw doesn't look too prominent too begin with. Also did he mention about any soft layer sagging issues down the road and possible solutions in case needed.

I have parts of my jaw that I feel could use some reduction, but afraid about soft layer sagging, unnatural outcome(horse face deformity as they refer to in Asia) due to over reduction, or barely noticeable outcome due to very subtle reduction and finally my ears looking more prominent in the profile view.

What's your experience like?

Thanks in advance

Hey Ypsdf09,

I'm glad to help anyone. Since were all on the same boat, but on a different river :)

With hindsight, yes, I believe Dr. Spiegel was aggressive on the mandible contouring (jaw line & chin), the jaw-line appears more tapered and smooth now. And he was also aggressive on the chin, he removed my dimple, and the two protruding horns, and also removed a lot of the vertical projection. There's still some swelling in the chin area, but I'm very happy with it so far! As for the jaw, it used to be square now it's lovely curved and there used to be a pointy bone, that I could feel, and now it's completely gone - which is now tapered. I've read about the sagging of the skin, but my skin is medium in terms of thickeness so it shouldn't be a problem for me or others if you're skin is thin/medium, and when your young the skin is more elastic, I think. I believe the positives definitely outweigh the complications/risks in my opinion. I'll make a note and possibly ask Dr. Spiegel about it at the pre-op in 3 May (for the forhead contouring). I believe the surgeons in Korea, make it look unnatural and barbie-doll like, whereas think Dr. Spiegel's result is more natural. I think it'll be more contoured over the months as more of the swelling fades. Yes, I've also noticed my ears appearing bigger too, but that's really nothing to worry about.

Here's 53 days post op. Photos taken are with a professional camera, with no makeup or any filters. (excuse my frizzy hair):
https://imgur.com/gallery/l2C5L

Quote from: Venusxoxo on March 05, 2017, 02:21:10 PM
I'll make a note and possibly ask Dr. Spiegel about it at the pre-op in 3 May (for the forhead contouring).

Looks like we're seeing him the same week.

ScaryGrrl

Quote from: scarygrrl on March 05, 2017, 06:52:09 PM
Looks like we're seeing him the same week.

ScaryGrrl

Aw, that's awesome. Are you going in for surgery too, or just a consult? :)
You're in good hands, just make sure you ask him any questions you're unsure about. And any areas you feel most concerned about; so he may be more aggressively. My surgery is on the 4 May, the day after :)

Thanks Venus,

Your jaw looks pretty good even only at 53 days. I like the lip lift too. Subtle cheek augmentation too giving a nice natural look.

Best wishes for your forehead and rhinoplasty.

Quote from: Venusxoxo on March 06, 2017, 06:24:19 AM
Aw, that's awesome. Are you going in for surgery too, or just a consult? :)

No, I've got the same set-up as you. Pre-op consult and then surgery the next day. I'm just a coupl'a days before you.

ScaryGrrl.

Quote from: Ypsf09 on March 06, 2017, 08:35:01 PM
Thanks Venus,

Your jaw looks pretty good even only at 53 days. I like the lip lift too. Subtle cheek augmentation too giving a nice natural look.

Best wishes for your forehead and rhinoplasty.

Aw thanks so much! Just the forehead left, all I can see and feel is that bony ridge >.< I love the results too. Better to do these procedures and get them all out of the way and focus on the journey of life. I love your results too, honestly you don't need to redo- your forehead, but do what makes you happy and confident... :)

Quote from: scarygrrl on March 06, 2017, 08:55:20 PM
No, I've got the same set-up as you. Pre-op consult and then surgery the next day. I'm just a coupl'a days before you.

ScaryGrrl.

That's awesome, you must be really excited like me, lol. All the best in your surgery! And speedy recovery to both of us! Hehe 😊

Did any of you have a Skype consultation before the surgery with Spiegel? He offered me a consultation for quite a significant fee over Skype, but I am not sure a Skype consultation makes so much sense. Image quality on Skype is less than great and he cannot touch or feel anything on me, so he can basically only do the same thing as can be done with photos, probably Photos are even better in quality. So is it worth paying so much for maybe half an hour talk on Skype?

Quote from: anjaq on March 19, 2017, 08:22:51 AM
Did any of you have a Skype consultation before the surgery with Spiegel? He offered me a consultation for quite a significant fee over Skype, but I am not sure a Skype consultation makes so much sense. Image quality on Skype is less than great and he cannot touch or feel anything on me, so he can basically only do the same thing as can be done with photos, probably Photos are even better in quality. So is it worth paying so much for maybe half an hour talk on Skype?

Hey, yes I did a Skype with him, I believe sometime in Aug/Sep 2016, to go over something. But honestly, I didn't know what to talk about during that time, and it was very abrupt and short it lasted about 15/20mins, because It's lot different to meeting face to face, I remember I spent 2 hours in the office in first initial consultation... If you can I suggest flying over there so you can meet him in person, get a better feel of it, and you can go over it moreover, during Jan 2016 I went to see him plus visited NYC for 3 days so it was much fun experience. But there's not much difference, I'd suggest the Skype consult for it does save all the expenses. :) 

The long awaited Forhead contouring with Dr Spiegel; surgery date is on 4 May. I'm super excited 21 days for my flight, and 23 days for my surgery left. I'll be posting pre-op photos on 3 May, and photos until post op @6 weeks. :) xx

Congratulations, and best wishes for amazing results 😊

Quote from: kittenpower on April 11, 2017, 03:02:43 PM
Congratulations, and best wishes for amazing results 😊

Aw thank you :). Can't wait to share the round 2 of the experience. :)

My surgery with Dr. Spiegel  is on August first and I am like a kid on a road trip "are we there yet, are we there yet, repeat until you want to turn this car around!" I am not a big makeup girl so I am hoping this will help me be read correctly by other people.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170423/ef8df2a9aa5b46fa7e54fe69afebbc1e.jpg)

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Quote from: KristyWalker on April 22, 2017, 10:12:54 PM
My surgery with Dr. Spiegel  is on August first and I am like a kid on a road trip "are we there yet, are we there yet, repeat until you want to turn this car around!" I am not a big makeup girl so I am hoping this will help me be read correctly by other people.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170423/ef8df2a9aa5b46fa7e54fe69afebbc1e.jpg)

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Hey, first congrats! Yes, I'm not much of makeup user myself neither - I mostly only use eyeliner and mascara. I'm also really impatient when it comes to waiting lol. But time really does fly... mine is in 11 days 😊

Results are good and suttle, doesn't change you completely which is good.
But using imgur, you should have posted that privately, we can still see the pics if you send us the links.
The Imgur trolls, nail you in 5 seconds flat especially for selfies lol I learned the hard way too.
Would love to see a pic from a distance maybe

Quote from: ChristineRachel on April 23, 2017, 06:01:58 AM
Results are good and suttle, doesn't change you completely which is good.
But using imgur, you should have posted that privately, we can still see the pics if you send us the links.
The Imgur trolls, nail you in 5 seconds flat especially for selfies lol I learned the hard way too.
Would love to see a pic from a distance maybe

Aw I didn't know that thanks for the tip! Geez all they do is criticise others, they are very big trolls. Yes, I'll be posting the pictures, non-filtered and without makeup. :)

Aw they are the worst plague when you accidentally go public lol.
And do it will be great to see :)

I haven't really seen anyone write the response I was thinking of, so here it goes:  You were very beautiful before FFS and are very beautiful after.  I just want you to know that you definitely did not NEED to get the FFS.  The after effect is noticably different and I can see what you and Dr. Spiegel were aiming for.  I don't think you need anymore procedures.  I am equally jealous of you before and after FFS (in a good way) and either look is beautiful and unmistakeably feminine.

Quote from: Axolotl on April 23, 2017, 08:47:25 AM
I haven't really seen anyone write the response I was thinking of, so here it goes:  You were very beautiful before FFS and are very beautiful after.  I just want you to know that you definitely did not NEED to get the FFS.  The after effect is noticably different and I can see what you and Dr. Spiegel were aiming for.  I don't think you need anymore procedures.  I am equally jealous of you before and after FFS (in a good way) and either look is beautiful and unmistakeably feminine.

Aw thank you :) <3 . Yes, I've always wanted a very natural result :)

I'll also be releasing a timeline (collection) of photos some time during/after surgery. From 1st Pre-op surgery [4th Jan] right until 2nd Pre-op surgery [3 May]. :)

Quote from: Venusxoxo on April 23, 2017, 05:37:03 AM
Hey, first congrats! Yes, I'm not much of makeup user myself neither - I mostly only use eyeliner and mascara. I'm also really impatient when it comes to waiting lol. But time really does fly... mine is in 11 days 😊

Thanks


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PS: Here's my FFS #1 - Recovery timeline: 4Jan'17 to 3May'17 (which sums up just about the entire round 1 of my FFS experience). Note: In all the photos there is no filter, or any makeup present (except eyeliner on some of the photos).

Part 1:
https://imgur.com/a/woEMX

Part 2:
https://imgur.com/a/qf9Ih

(Note: 9hours until my FFS#2) :)

Love, Jq. x

Heyyyy, they really did a great job.
Good luck for this next step!
What is planned?

Quote from: Venusxoxo on May 03, 2017, 09:05:19 PM
PS: Here's my FFS #1 - Recovery timeline: 4Jan'17 to 3May'17 (which sums up just about the entire round 1 of my FFS experience). Note: In all the photos there is no filter, or any makeup present (except eyeliner on some of the photos).

Part 1:
https://imgur.com/a/woEMX

Part 2:
https://imgur.com/a/qf9Ih

(Note: 9hours until my FFS#2) :)

Love, Jq. x

Wish you a speedy recovery.  You look amazing and naturally feminine no doubt!

Aw Thanks :)

Today is 4 May 2017; I'm just out of the surgery (staying overnight at the hospital), and everything went really well! So what I had done was a Forehead Contouring (Type 3, via coronal incision in the hairline) with a Brow-lift. I'll be documenting this step of the journey as well <3

Speedy recovery girl! Take it easy :)

- Part 2: The Forehead Surgery @ 4th May '17

I was really excited for my upcoming surgery in May, since January time flew by so quickly and the next day I knew I was on the flight to Boston. I checked in to my Airbnb after a long night. My consultation was on the following morning, and I was very excited to see Dr. Spiegel as well as the staff :).

The morning of consultation (day before surgery, pre-op) I was very excited, we went over what was going to be done, and Dr. Spiegel's remarks and recommendations. I was extremely happy from the first round of my FFS in January, but I knew I still had an area that I wasn't so comfortable with especially in situations where there was overhead lightening or in windy days my forehead and "brow bossing" would look somewhat more prominent and this made me less confident with myself. Dr. Spiegel recommended the Forehead Contouring [type 3] via coronal incision (without scalp advancement) & with a Brow-lift. The incision was done in hairline because I notably didn't have any temporal hairline (M) recession and my hairline was somewhat round and feminine. He also recommended to do steroid injections on my lip-lift and trachea shave scar, which would reduce the appearance of the redness of the scar. Consultation lasted about an hour and half, and we went through the aftercare and post op instructions. I knew this surgery wouldn't be as difficult as the first round that I had, but I knew I would be happy beyond all the swellings and discomforts, and it would definitely complete the profile I always desired. My surgery was booked first thing in the morning on 4th May 2017.

The important day had finally arrived and I was really excited! It was already 7am, and I was wheeled into to the operating room, I remember seeing only glimpses of events and I completely blacked out! I really wished everything had went well when I'd woken up, but I was also relieved and happy at the same time to have went through it! Dr. Spiegel afterwards came in to to reassure me that everything went really well and went smoothly, I was beyond happy! Initially when I woke up from surgery I had hardly any bruising or swelling (but this gradually increased over the 3 day/72 hour period, which was expected). I had an overnight at the hospital, and the nurses and staff at the hospital were ever so helpful and accommodating. By Day 1, I was slightly swollen and bruised, and I went back to recuperate at the apartment. At Day 2, swelling slightly increased, and I attempted to wash my hair slowly for the first time. At Day 3, this was probably my most difficult day; I woke up with a high temperature and fever overnight, when I woke up to check my ace bandage and it had lots of patches of blood over it, I washed my hair again and applied Neosporin in the incision areas. At Day 4, I started to look and feel much better :), I continued to drink lots of water, and washing my hair daily with John's baby shampoo and then letting it air dry afterwards, the swelling was definitely beginning to subside. At Day 5, my head was really itchy, signs that it was healing well :). By Day 8, I had a morning post-op appointment to remove the staples/sutures in my hairline, which was going to be a relief, I also saw Dr. Spiegel and he's reassured me everything was OK, and I was already to leave Boston in a couple of days. I was really happy with the entire experience, the staff, and just about everything. As I continue to heal and swelling subsides,  I will definitely see more of the finished and desired outlook. :)

- Recovery timeline pictures from 3May'17 to Present Day (incomplete & to be continued):

Part 1:
https://imgur.com/a/CsCOS

You look fantastic,
Very suttle but it changed alot, and will look even better when it's fully healed.
I often wonder in the end will I need to go down this route?
Hopefully you keep on healing and scars disappear to nothing!
Hugs Rachel

Wow....good results are one thing, but you're simply and stunningly beautiful. Congratulations on a perfect result. I can't imagine what could have been done to make anything more perfect than it is. You're gorgeous, honey!

Aw thanks! :) <3

Wow!  That is remarkable.

I have a first consult with Dr Klineberger on Tuesday.  He trained under Dr. Spiegel.  I can only hope for such results.

Quote from: Michelle_P on May 13, 2017, 07:04:06 PM
Wow!  That is remarkable.

I have a first consult with Dr Klineberger on Tuesday.  He trained under Dr. Spiegel.  I can only hope for such results.

That's amazing, I hope the consult goes well & I wish you the best on your new self! :) I'm sure if he worked with/under Dr. Spiegel he'll also deliver natural, feminine results. :)