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As promised from https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,21922.0.html, Marketing the Androgyne I. 

Is it militant, strictly political, the same as androgyne?  Does it apply to you?  Why or why not?  Since we seem to have some different opinions about the word 'genderqueer', I would like everyone's thoughts on it. 


This isn't a political topic.  It's meant to be educational.   :)

No, it is not militant. No, it is not strictly political. Do genderqueers have a tendency towards activism rather than apathy? Yes, in my experience.

I identify as genderqueer mostly because it is a widly used term, and very much an umbrella term. To me, anyone who operates outside the binary would be genderqueer, which is more or less all transgenders excluding those who consider themselves within a binary (many transsexuals, for example).

It is also, for me, a relative synonym of androgyne. I used to use that term with other people, till I learned that genderqueer was more widely used and therefore easier to connect to people with. Privatly, I talk about being androgyne, or something similar to that identification, while publicly I use the term genderqueer because of its wider acceptance. In other ways, the term androgyne doesn't quite fit, since I often see myself as a mixing of male and female gender archetypes, along with something other, which I can't really describe and may be alot of different things. In that case, its just easier to use an umbrella term. Genderqueer, in my experience, works just fine.

I actually came across the term 'androgyne' first and it seems to fit me the best...maybe I just like saying it. :)

I thought they were basically the same also, but genderqueer feels more general.  To me androgyne leans more the the null gender specifically, but I don't know what everyone else feels about it.

EDIT: Maybe I should say that I am androgyne and null gendered, since 'androgyne' is the broader term.  That works better.

I think "genderqueer" is slightly broader than "androgyne".  An FTM, for example, is just an M as far as gender is concerned, so I don't consider TGs as androgyne.  TGs would still be genderqueer, since their genders don't fit the assumptions of the binary model.

Quote from: Simon on November 12, 2007, 06:56:37 PM
I think "genderqueer" is slightly broader than "androgyne".  An FTM, for example, is just an M as far as gender is concerned, so I don't consider TGs as androgyne.  TGs would still be genderqueer, since their genders don't fit the assumptions of the binary model.

I consider androgyne and genderqueer both transgender. Trans, as opposed to cis, if I may break my own "rule" and speak in binaries.

Quote from: Jaimey on November 12, 2007, 06:55:29 PM
To me androgyne leans more the the null gender specifically, but I don't know what everyone else feels about it.

Well the root of the word suggests it could be in the middle of male and female (Andro meaning male, Gyne meaning female)

*shrugs* hehe

I also associate the word genderqueer politically, sort of.  I guess what I mean is that I associate it more with the LGBT movement as opposed to my own personal gender identity.  It seems more public than private to me...does that make any sense?  Hmm.  I imagine that has to do with today's definition of "queer", which, in my mind, sort of links "genderqueer" with sexual orientation, even though I know it doesn't have anything to do with that. 

*sigh*  why do these things have to be so damn complicated?  :D

I too feel that genderqueer is a more general term than androgyne.

I feel I fall under the umbrella of genderqueer. I think it would apply to anyone that felt their gender was different to what would be considered 'normal'. This would include say men that said they were men but were not male like other men are male, for whatever reason...

I also think it has political connotations. For me it seems to represent those that purposefully go against the gender norms as a statement. Look at me, I break the mold and proud of it, why can't we have equality kind of thing, or as a protest against the rules of society..rah rah rah...

Quote from: NickSister on November 12, 2007, 07:16:52 PM
I too feel that genderqueer is a more general term than androgyne.

I feel I fall under the umbrella of genderqueer. I think it would apply to anyone that felt their gender was different to what would be considered 'normal'. This would include say men that said they were men but were not male like other men are male, for whatever reason...

I think that if they consider themselves male, and not some sort of NBGV (nonbinary gender variant) then some other identification should not be applied to them. Its just my personal opinion that a person should be considered the gender they choose for themselves, regardless of presentation. If they came to the awareness that they were somehow not male gendered, or not completly male gendered, and they chose to call themselves genderqueer, then it would be different.

Anyone want to submit a definition for genderqueer? 

I understand the term, but I like having definitions, just to make sure I understand it correctly.  I should just type nerd on my forehead.

I would identify androgyne as null gendered (after many discussions on here), but does everyone else?

Quote from: Jaimey on November 12, 2007, 07:32:04 PM
Anyone want to submit a definition for genderqueer? 

I understand the term, but I like having definitions, just to make sure I understand it correctly.  I should just type nerd on my forehead.

I would identify androgyne as null gendered (after many discussions on here), but does everyone else?

I've always thought of androgyne as mixedgendered. Either that, or a sort of umbrella term.

Quote from: Jaimey on November 12, 2007, 07:32:04 PM
Anyone want to submit a definition for genderqueer? 

I understand the term, but I like having definitions, just to make sure I understand it correctly.  I should just type nerd on my forehead.

I would identify androgyne as null gendered (after many discussions on here), but does everyone else?

I think us androgynes consider null gendered to fit within the androgyne sphere (that is anyone that does not identify as just male or just female). We tend to include people that identify as bigendered, nutois, 3rd gender, 4th gender, mixed gender..... i.e. anyone that does not identify as just male or just female.

I suppose you could say I am null gendered in that I don't have a gender that is either male or female. But I don't identify as null gendered - that is having no gender.  I have a gender. It is just not male or female.

I was introduced to androgyne and genderqueer at the same time.

I assumed they mean different things.

I assumed I was androgyne, because I am not queer.

Quote from: Jaimey on November 12, 2007, 07:15:43 PM
  I imagine that has to do with today's definition of "queer", which, in my mind, sort of links "genderqueer" with sexual orientation, even though I know it doesn't have anything to do with that. 

A such I assumed that androgyne was the umberella term for all people who did not fit comfortable in the gender binary at that genderqueer were a more external version of this. Like the difference between being a girl and being girly. This seems a common idea.

Quote from: NickSister on November 12, 2007, 07:16:52 PM
it seems to represent those that purposefully go against the gender norms as a statement. Look at me, I break the mold and proud of it, why can't we have equality kind of thing, or as a protest against the rules of society..rah rah rah...

Quote from: Jaimey on November 12, 2007, 07:15:43 PM
I also associate the word genderqueer politically, sort of.  I guess what I mean is that I associate it more with the LGBT movement as opposed to my own personal gender identity. 

Quote from: Kaimialana on November 12, 2007, 06:34:06 PM
Do genderqueers have a tendency towards activism rather than apathy? Yes, in my experience.

It seemed from meeting that the two terms had different meanings. One as the type of thing (androgyne) and one as a reaction to that (genderqueer).

It appears that I may have been wrong. :)
And well I should be. But as a mistake, oh a wrong turn, I think it is both a logical and useful one to make. The people who feel it within but do not expose without, and the ones who do both, and scare most interested parties away.

As my little video said, we are normal. But are we really?

QuoteA such I assumed that androgyne was the umberella term for all people who did not fit comfortable in the gender binary at that genderqueer were a more external version of this. Like the difference between being a girl and being girly. This seems a common idea.

I'm getting confused again LOL

is genderqueer a synonym of androgyny?

depends who you ask

Quote from: NickSister on November 12, 2007, 07:45:41 PM
I suppose you could say I am null gendered in that I don't have a gender that is either male or female. But I don't identify as null gendered - that is having no gender.  I have a gender. It is just not male or female.

Heh this is where the definition of null gender gets tricky.  As I see it, null gender is a term that can be used for two types of people, the 'I don't have a gender' types and the 'I have a gender and it's null' types.  Null as a gender refers to people who feel they are not male or female and not a combination of the two (and usually feel they're supposed to have a nullified appearance), simply being non-binary doesn't make you null.

Quote from: Jaimey on November 12, 2007, 07:32:04 PM
Anyone want to submit a definition for genderqueer? 

I understand the term, but I like having definitions, just to make sure I understand it correctly.  I should just type nerd on my forehead.

Not a formal definition, but:

I heard the term genderqueer way before androgyne (which I first encountered here). When I hear the term 'genderqueer', I think of a female-bodied person identifying as ftm, but not as male. That's who I usually hear using the term.

Quote from: Nero on November 13, 2007, 05:02:03 AM
I heard the term genderqueer way before androgyne (which I first encountered here). When I hear the term 'genderqueer', I think of a female-bodied person identifying as ftm, but not as male. That's who I usually hear using the term.

Meaning a female bodied person taking the steps for a male body but without the male gender identity?

interesting ... that might not be that far off...

Quote from: Alison on November 13, 2007, 05:06:14 AM

Quote from: Nero on November 13, 2007, 05:02:03 AM
I heard the term genderqueer way before androgyne (which I first encountered here). When I hear the term 'genderqueer', I think of a female-bodied person identifying as ftm, but not as male. That's who I usually hear using the term.

Meaning a female bodied person taking the steps for a male body but without the male gender identity?

interesting ... that might not be that far off...

Yes. There's a very large percentage of them on the ftm sites. They don't identify as men, but not as women either. Some get the works (HRT, top surgery, hysterectomy, etc) and some only opt for one of those modifications. I'd say their number is at least equal to male ftms.

When I first heard the term genderqueer, I think back in the 90s, it was definitely politically charged. Although I could relate to it, it never felt quite the right term for my identity. I was also aware of androgyne, but only as an ancient word, at that time I wasn't hearing it used as an identity. It wasn't until I started hanging around here at Susan's about a year ago that I heard it used as such. That was/is close to how I felt, so I've been using it since. Although I do like the term androgyne, particularly its spiritual/mystical aspect, even that doesn't fit sometimes. It's hard to describe something so deep as my gender with one word. I'm just Z.

Zythyra

Sometimes I wish this section was just called something simple like "Other Genders".

This section used to be called Genderqueer. The people that came here included all variations not fitting into TS, TV, or IS.  (Not that the categories are exclussive in that the refer to three differnt things: biology, expression, and gender identity).

Switch to the name to Androgyne took away the bite that the word Genderqueer had towards some people, me included.

However recently has lead to more the stance of segregation of the other "others" to not be included in this section of the forums.

I don't try to segregate those that like the Genderqueer word, nor any of the the other variations that fit in the broad spectrum of "other genders identities and expressions". Such as Bigender, Neutrois, Null, Fluid, Two-Spirits, Outside Gender, Gender Outlaws, Own Gender, Gender Benders, Androgynous.

I really dont understand the need or desire to exclude person's based on academic differences.

Celebrate the differences and listen versus feeling threatened by and being selective.

Genderqueer is used by some in similar and different sense. Sometimes more broad (meaning all gender variations). Sometimes very narrow(meaning bio females meaning others have mention).

Militaristic... or rebellious spirit? I don't know. Androgynes are sorta rebellious sometimes when they feel like it. Some that identify as genderqueer don't feel as extreme. Are they more into surgeries and hrt, I really dont know.

This section used to be called Genderqueer. What a turn of events if it removed that label entirely from the section.

Should it be included in a Wiki definition of androgyne. If it is not or if it's hostile towards genderqueer, I really don't know where the definition is going, nor what it's purpose is for.

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on November 13, 2007, 02:18:27 PM
Switch to the name to Androgyne took away the bite that the word Genderqueer had towards some people, me included.

This section used to be called Genderqueer. What a turn of events if it removed that label entirely from the section.

Should it be included in a Wiki definition of androgyne. If it is not or if it's hostile towards genderqueer, I really don't know where the definition is going, nor what it's purpose is for.

The term 'androgyne' definitely has more class than 'genderqueer'. To me, it's all the same. Just genderqueer sometimes has different connotations to it. To me, there are 3 genders, even though a given gender will manifest differently person to person. With possibly the exception of people who are literally two spirits, such as Marq and Mia.
It's all in what term one feels comfortable with.

Quote from: Nero on November 13, 2007, 03:43:45 PM
The term 'androgyne' definitely has more class than 'genderqueer'. To me, it's all the same. Just genderqueer sometimes has different connotations to it.

Yes, exactly. They both refer to the same phenomenon, but androgyne contrasts it with male and female, while genderqueer contrasts it with the binary gender system. For that reason I prefer the former for most purposes, but it's really a matter of taste.

  Nfr

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on November 13, 2007, 02:18:27 PM
Sometimes I wish this section was just called something simple like "Other Genders".

Hmmmm, should we be considering a name change? I personally don't mind the name of this section, but if there were a better name that felt more inclusive to everyone, I'd be up for it.

Z

Maybe I should have called this thread "A Discussion of Semantics." 

I don't think that's there's anyone in here who wants to alienate anyone else.  Despite all of our differences, we are bound by a common thread.  We do not fit the binary.  I only started this thread to diffuse the conflict in Marketing the Androgyne I and to get us back on topic (not that I was particularly successful in the latter endeavor), just so that we are all clear.  I agree with Pica that assumptions are an integral part of learning.  If you make an assumption and you are right, then you've solidified your position.  If you make an assumption and you are wrong, then you have learned what is correct.  This thread was meant as a learning experience.  The best way to learn is to talk to others.  The more we talk, the better we will understand one another.

All that really matters is that we are together.  There is a place for all of us, no matter what words we use.  We can relate to one another, we've had similar experiences, we learn from those who have been here longer, and provide counsel for those who are just beginning to understand who they are.  As long as we are here together, we're home.

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on November 13, 2007, 02:18:27 PM
Sometimes I wish this section was just called something simple like "Other Genders".

This section used to be called Genderqueer. The people that came here included all variations not fitting into TS, TV, or IS.  (Not that the categories are exclussive in that the refer to three differnt things: biology, expression, and gender identity).

Switch to the name to Androgyne took away the bite that the word Genderqueer had towards some people, me included.

However recently has lead to more the stance of segregation of the other "others" to not be included in this section of the forums.

I don't try to segregate those that like the Genderqueer word, nor any of the the other variations that fit in the broad spectrum of "other genders identities and expressions". Such as Bigender, Neutrois, Null, Fluid, Two-Spirits, Outside Gender, Gender Outlaws, Own Gender, Gender Benders, Androgynous.

I really dont understand the need or desire to exclude person's based on academic differences.

Celebrate the differences and listen versus feeling threatened by and being selective.

In relation to some of KK's points:
I've been thinking of myself as "Gender Variant".  Maybe we could use "Other Gender" or "Gender Variant" as a catch all.

Nobody should ever be excluded.  Anyone who feels so, should speak freely. We are each as viable and as important as every other - no matter how we identify.

If we are not all inclusive then we are nothing.

   We have come a long way from showing up at this site and just trying to each understand our own individual identities and hoping to find others who would understand.  We are now at a point where I believe we are attempting to understand our identity as a group.  This, to me, is much more difficult because when I was learning to find myself, I didn't have to worry about hurting others (except my SO and I still feel guilty about that).
   Maybe it's too much for my mind.  I know we respect each other and I am proud to be one of you.  I am at a loss as to how to tie it all together in terms of definition or group identity. I absolutely do believe that a group identity is highly important.  It allows us to provide a place of support and safety for those who are of the smallest numbered "variant".

   


Rebis

Posted on: November 18, 2007, 12:35:40 AM

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Quote from: Jaimey on November 17, 2007, 05:59:48 PM
All that really matters is that we are together.  There is a place for all of us, no matter what words we use.  We can relate to one another, we've had similar experiences, we learn from those who have been here longer, and provide counsel for those who are just beginning to understand who they are.  As long as we are here together, we're home.

This is the most important of all points.

     If we are having a communal growing experience here, then we should each be prepared to feel a lot of different emotions.  Sometimes up & sometimes down.  Whatever disappointments any one of us may suffer during this process, it should be remembered that we are each invested in reaching a goal and that the greatest priority of that goal is to overcome all disappointments.
     We should never give up or feel that we've failed. All that really matters is that we are together.


Peace,

Rebis

Non-Binary Gender Variant (NBGV) does seem to be some sort of catch all...

From wikipedia's Genderqueer article:

'Note: Some people see "genderqueer" as a more consciously politicized version of the term androgyne, popularized by Androgyne Online, which is linked below. Androgynes are also people who identify as both man and woman, or as neither. "Androgyne" is synonymous to the more cumbersome "non-binary gender variant."'

It seems to me that all three are umbrella terms of sorts. Not that Wikipedia is a good source...


If NBGV doesn't have any connotations associated with it, aside from being cumbersome, I'm going to start using it, if its okay with you all. The strict definition of androgyne doesn't fit me, nor do I want to be associated by anyone here with some political goal, I just want to be me, and if it means calling myself NBGV, then so be it.

Sorry for making a mess.

I like that. NBGV Non-Binary Gender Variant as well. Sounds very medical/clinical. I found tons of references linking of course to Non-Binary system, and to Gender Variants refering to androgynes. Thats another term for me to jot down. Couldn't find it officially used anywhere all together except in that wikipedia entry.

This seems like the wrong place for anybody to be politiking. To be honest 'genderqueer vs androgyne' seems to be a pointless battle, as each term depends almost wholly on what the user found them to mean first as opposed to any standard or instinctual definition in the words themselves. To use one over the other seems to be nothing more than habit, which is why a discussion of them would both go on forever and also feel personal, because either term is a personal one that we chose and adopted for ourselves.

As for NBGV, i reckon it could be shortened to non-binary or gender variant, for ease.

Or I could just use it as is, and everyone could respect that.  :)

Quote from: Kaimialana on November 19, 2007, 10:08:14 AM
Or I could just use it as is, and everyone could respect that.  :)

Absolutely! Everyone has the right to choose and use whatever label, or lack of, fits them, and to change labels as needed.

y2g

I'm a Kestin :3

Intergender was the first term that I read about so I'm kinda in the habit of referring to myself as such... but I like GenderQueer more than Androgyne. By definition I'm queer because I'm a female and am attracted to women, and GenderQueer because I do not subscribe to the normal concept of gender identity.

Plus, I also want to be a bit more 'out there' in how people view me. I want people to be confused when they see me, I want them to have to ask if I'm a boy or a girl and for me to not tell them XD Gender->-bleeped-<-er is probably a more appropriate term in regards to that though...

I mostly just like to say I'm neither... then they can label you however they want in their head.

....and they will, and they will have that power, because they have been allowed that power, because you would have let them.

I'm in favor of renaming this section...that way, we can upset a whole new group of people, as the old ones are getting a bit repetitive.

OK, now that I have your attention...

As many have stated, WHAT we call ourselves, individually and as a group, tends to be a very personal thing.  For a large number of us, the best we can do is find a label we like that "mostly fits".

The NBGV name works very well as an umbrella term, and like KK said, it has a very medical-sounding ring to it.  Other terms that have been mentioned seem to have some baggage...still, NBGV or Non-Binary Gender Variant is not a term that "flows trippingly off the tongue" and thus may have some trouble being widely accepted.

Honestly, I don't really care what we name this section.  What is important to me, (and stated by several others), is that we keep the bonds we have formed and expand them to be even more inclusive.

So...solidarity my siblings and cousins.  If you fall outside the gender binaries, this place is for you.  If you fall within the gender binaries, you are more than welcome here too.  If neither of these groups apply to you, you are very welcome, but I would love to hear your story.

Blessings Be,

....Laurry 

what about calling ourselves 'peeps'?  :-\

Quote from: Pica Pica on November 19, 2007, 02:01:30 PM
what about calling ourselves 'peeps'?  :-\

<z runs away, screaming... noooooo!!!>

Quote from: Pica Pica on November 19, 2007, 02:01:30 PM
what about calling ourselves 'peeps'?  :-\

NO!  >:(    >:(    >:(


       I'm all for NBGV as the top term.  The term that we point outward to the world.  I think it is kind of clinical and also very descriptive.  It seems, to me, as the perfect term to put out there for explaining who we are.
       After that as personal choices, people can use anything.  Genderqueer for genderqueers, androgyne for androgynes, and so on.  I'm kind of partial to gender variant anyway.  But I can speak any of the languages except;

Quote from: Pica Pica on November 19, 2007, 02:01:30 PM
what about calling ourselves 'peeps'?  :-\

NO!  >:(    >:(    >:(

>:(  >:(  >:(

       

Quote from: Rebis on November 19, 2007, 06:27:06 PM
       I'm all for NBGV as the top term.  The term that we point outward to the world.  I think it is kind of clinical and also very descriptive.  It seems, to me, as the perfect term to put out there for explaining who we are.
       After that as personal choices, people can use anything.

NBGV sounds OK to me too. It works nicely as an umbrella term, and seems inclusive of everyone.

QuoteBut I can speak any of the languages except;

Quote from: Pica Pica on November 19, 2007, 02:01:30 PM
what about calling ourselves 'peeps'?  :-\

NO!  >:(    >:(    >:(

>:(  >:(  >:(

<z agrees>

y2g/z

Quote from: Rebis on November 19, 2007, 06:27:06 PM

       I'm all for NBGV as the top term.  The term that we point outward to the world.  I think it is kind of clinical and also very descriptive.  It seems, to me, as the perfect term to put out there for explaining who we are.
       After that as personal choices, people can use anything.  Genderqueer for genderqueers, androgyne for androgynes, and so on.  I'm kind of partial to gender variant anyway.

I've heard "gender variants" used in the professionally done movie "toilet training" (its about transgenders and the crap that happens to our people in public bathrooms, and push for gender neutral facilities), so it seems its well accepted.

Quote from: Kaimialana on November 19, 2007, 09:22:49 PM
I've heard "gender variants" used in the professionally done movie "toilet training" (its about transgenders and the crap that happens to our people in public bathrooms, and push for gender neutral facilities), so it seems its well accepted.

That's my favorite phrase.  I'm starting to cry (really).

Let's start a poll to vote yea or nae for NBGV!  I'll do it right now by gum!

I have a question though: do bigenders consider themselves binary gender variants, or non-binary gender variants?

I would not want to alienate anyone by making assumptions.

Quote from: Kaimialana on November 19, 2007, 11:32:33 PM
I have a question though: do bigenders consider themselves binary gender variants, or non-binary gender variants?

I would not want to alienate anyone by making assumptions.

curse you and your fully working brain!

A shortened version is 'gender variant' and that eliminates the binary connotation.   But then, my only half working brain tells me that a binary is a 1 or a 0.  There is no in between or partial value.  I think.

if you are not a 1 or a 0, then you are not binary?  maybe?

And I had my heart set on peeps.  >:D

(not really, honest).

Quote from: Pica Pica on November 20, 2007, 05:25:56 AM
And I had my heart set on peeps.  >:D

(not really, honest).

Please don't make me hunt you down.

Quote from: Rebis on November 20, 2007, 10:26:51 AM

Quote from: Pica Pica on November 20, 2007, 05:25:56 AM
And I had my heart set on peeps.  >:D

(not really, honest).

>:(   >:(    >:(    >:(    >:(    >:(    >:(   >:(

No!

>:(   >:(    >:(    >:(    >:(    >:(    >:(   >:(

Please don't make me hunt you down.

"How 'bout if we go to the old standby: mul-peeps?" zie asked innocently...



And Rebis...you can hunt me down anytime...we'll grab a few beers, watch the game and swap recipes and makeup tips.  Anyone else wishing to join is more than welcome.  If we get a party, I'll spring for a keg and call the Mary Kay lady for demos.

....Laurry

give me the airmiles and i'll be there. Just peeps together.

The next person who says 'peeps' is getting pistol whipped... >:D

not a peep from anybody eh?

ooo...you're going down.   >:D  now all i have to do is get that pistol through airport security and the whipping shall commence!!!

P-Persons
E-Expressing
E-Exponential
P-Personal
S-Sexuality

Quote from: Jaimey on November 22, 2007, 02:09:38 AM
ooo...you're going down.   >:D  now all i have to do is get that pistol through airport security and the whipping shall commence!!!

a more clever trick would be to get someone in the UK to loan you a pistol.  Then you don't have to worry about security.  I'm beginning to think that once you say who your target is, there will be many offers.   :laugh:


(Just kidding Pica pica)

it's a little bit hard to find pistols, unless you know the right people - and I tend to be the one serving the right people their pints of beer.

All right then. You can get a pistol for Jaimey through your contacts, so that e can whip you with it. Problem solved. :)

  Nfr

we really are a great team.  I am so proud of us.   :laugh:

hehe. >:D

Quote from: Rebis on November 23, 2007, 11:26:29 PM
we really are a great team.  I am so proud of us.   :laugh:

<z looking on in complete awe!, feeling proud>  ;)

 :o i must play my part  :o

"Hee, hee, hee." What a hoot. Anyone want to borrow my Colt 45 I keep in my underwear drawer?  I only use it to part my hair, just dont anyone stand behind me.

Cindy

 :D hilarious!

Well hello there!!

First post on this site.

I am also pansexual, and androgyne, but am i genderqueen? I dont know the difference, because for me sexuality and gender are very similar to me. They almost interlap with each other.

I checked Wiki, and the articles on Gender queen is not as much as i expected. Has anyone got a more defining list of what androgyne is vs genderqueen?

hello, lots of welcomes....

The fact is, nobody is totally sure.
It seems like androgyne and genderqueer (not queen) are co-existing terms for the same thing. That the difference between them is more that you can trace a person's introduction to psychological androgyny to certain times, places and circles with those words.

good luck with everything, fancy doing an intro, set the scene a bit.

To this Androgyne, gender is queer.  ;)
I don't think of myself as genderqueer.

Hello and welcome, dibbs1uk!
-Emerald  :icon_mrgreen:

Quote from: Pica Pica on December 27, 2007, 06:59:02 PM
genderqueer (not queen)

Hey, buddy!  What if I want to be a genderqueen?  In fact, perhaps I'll start using that...Jaimey, the Genderqueen!  Now all I need is a tiara...


All kidding aside, I think we've all pretty well agreed that androgyne and genderqueer are the same thing, dibbs1uk.  It mostly comes down to personal preference.  :D  WELCOME!!! 

i want to be a gender-duchess

Hi Dibbs1uk welcome The Androgyns thread to Susan's.
Maybe connect again later with you  and have a chat. 

Quote from: Pica Pica on December 28, 2007, 03:28:53 PM
i want to be a gender-duchess

I, of course, am the keening quing  ;D

And I am the gender fairy.  ;D

Cindy

I am genderlicious.       :P

And what a wonderful court 'tis, populated with these splendid genderlicious faerie beings  ;D :laugh:

y2g

Hi 2gender, not sure if I should say thanks or you are welcome.
Throwing dice.......... thank you.

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Cindy

Wouldn't it be fun if we all got dressed up and walked about town as gender royalty?   :laugh: 

Genderlicious could be our theme song...

Hmmmm Now I bet that would really fool them all. No one would guess who we are, they would think they just walked into a Rennfest.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on December 29, 2007, 07:46:36 PM
Hmmmm Now I bet that would really fool them all. No one would guess who we are, they would think they just walked into a Rennfest.

Cindy

LOL