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I've been looking around, one of my biggest reasons for still questioning is height, it's quite frustrating since I always think "I hardly ever see girls who are my height" then I will put it out of my mind while at work, turn a corner and see a customer who is female a slightly taller than me and it just puts me back to square 1 (pretty much 6ft)

Does HRT cause you to lose an inch or two? I read on forums of people going from say 5'11 to 5'10-5'9.5 etc and also losing shoe sizes (I did experience this when I lost weight from when I was quite obese although my feet are very small for my height already so no problems there).

Sorry for the ramblings, I seem to have a habit of justifying what I write..  ???

TL'DR

Do you lose any height on HRT?

J2J x

I did not lose any height from 5'11".  My feet did not shrink either.

In my experience my height of 5'11" is not an obstacle for passing.  Other things seem to outweigh it.


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote

Quote from: Deborah on April 23, 2017, 07:43:32 PM
I did not lose any height from 5'11".  My feet did not shrink either.

In my experience my height of 5'11" is not an obstacle for passing.  Other things seem to outweigh it.


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote

Thanks for the reply Deborah!

I've remained a solid 5'8" the whole way through. Size 12 women's shoes as well, no changes. Makes shopping for them a nightmare. :P

I've commented on this before, but people can measure quite differently throughout the same day.  I'm suspecting those stories you hear of height loss is more due to measurement error.  As for foot size, I believe those are probably attributed to large weight loss,so it's not bone change, but excess soft tissue loss.

Quote from: staciM on April 23, 2017, 07:57:32 PM
I've commented on this before, but people can measure quite differently throughout the same day.  I'm suspecting those stories you hear of height loss is more due to measurement error.  As for foot size, I believe those are probably attributed to large weight loss,so it's not bone change, but excess soft tissue loss.

Could also be calcium deficiency from poor diets.  I was measured by the US Army, at 5'11" in 1992-1996 and then by the Veterans Affairs Medical Staff at 5'10" in 2016.  They said it was likely my poor diet from the intervening decades.  May still lose a bit more as the damage has been done, and I have only recently started a better diet, even though I still botch it some days.

Quote from: Artesia on April 23, 2017, 08:03:34 PM
Could also be calcium deficiency from poor diets.  I was measured by the US Army, at 5'11" in 1992-1996 and then by the Veterans Affairs Medical Staff at 5'10" in 2016.  They said it was likely my poor diet from the intervening decades.  May still lose a bit more as the damage has been done, and I have only recently started a better diet, even though I still botch it some days.

There are several ways you "could" lose height, but I don't think you can count on HRT being the reason for it.

Quote from: Artesia on April 23, 2017, 08:03:34 PM
Could also be calcium deficiency from poor diets.  I was measured by the US Army, at 5'11" in 1992-1996 and then by the Veterans Affairs Medical Staff at 5'10" in 2016.  They said it was likely my poor diet from the intervening decades.  May still lose a bit more as the damage has been done, and I have only recently started a better diet, even though I still botch it some days.

Disks compress too and eventually we lose bone density if we live long enough. Sometimes the spine loses its proper curvature too.




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In regard to losing weight, I've noticed I'm losing muscle mass. Muscle weighing more than fat and estrogen not building mass, I'd say THAT part will play out. So far as being tall is concerned, many men AND women out there love tall women.

I did lose height from 6'7" to 6'5¼" and my doctor confirmed this. Some don't lose any others lose 2 inches or more. Testosterone causes the muscles to be thicker and less flexible hence bulkier. On estrogen they thin out and become more elastic. For some the back muscles change causing a slight reduction in the spacing between each vertebrae resulting in a small lose in height. If your muscles were already flexible there, then then there won't be much lose in height.

If you under 25 pelvic tilt can happen and you can lose some that way as well from HRT. Even though I started HRT at age 43, I did experience pelvic tilt as my pelvic bone had never fused (according to my doctor) most likely as a result of Kleinfelters.

My height has never clocked me as trans. I do get noticed when walking into a room because I'm a taller than 99.99% of the women out there (and 98% of the men), but I personally have met two cis women taller than me and another that is the same height as me.

Quote from: J2J on April 23, 2017, 07:39:12 PM
I've been looking around, one of my biggest reasons for still questioning is height, it's quite frustrating since I always think "I hardly ever see girls who are my height" then I will put it out of my mind while at work, turn a corner and see a customer who is female a slightly taller than me and it just puts me back to square 1 (pretty much 6ft)

Does HRT cause you to lose an inch or two? I read on forums of people going from say 5'11 to 5'10-5'9.5 etc and also losing shoe sizes (I did experience this when I lost weight from when I was quite obese although my feet are very small for my height already so no problems there).

Sorry for the ramblings, I seem to have a habit of justifying what I write..  ???

TL'DR

Do you lose any height on HRT?

J2J x

Idk if it's just my perception, or if it really is because of the hormones, but I remember measuring myself compulsively before transitioning, trying to convince myself that I wouldn't be too tall to finally go through with it.

I always came out at 5 ft. 9.75, without shoes on. I remember it vividly lol. After like two years of transitioning, I went through another phase of compulsive measuring, and I was coming out at 5 ft. 9.25. Recently, I decided to, once again, compulsively measure myself (lol), and it's just under 5 ft. 9. My doctor's office claims that I'm 5 ft. 8, in fact---and in person, people think I'm like 5 ft. 7

No one really attributes "tall girl" to me, even though I guess I am rather tall for a girl. So, there's some motivation for you, coming from someone who identified as a 5 ft. 10 guy pre-transition. That being said, 6 ft., to me, is quite tall for a female, but it could totally be pulled off if you're tenuous.

For reference, I see maybe 5 to 10 women on a daily basis who are my height or taller, and I live in a big city. If I were 6 ft. 1 or taller---that's probably where I would have tried to NOT transition with all that I had, because that's the range where you start to stand as extremely tall for a woman.

Hope that gives you some insight!
K.C.

Quote from: femfem on April 24, 2017, 01:22:37 AM

If I were 6 ft. 1 or taller---that's probably where I would have tried to NOT transition with all that I had, because that's the range where you start to stand as extremely tall for a woman.

Hope that gives you some insight!
K.C.

No, that doesn't give any insight.  Maybe be a little more respectful and sensitive to those that are struggling with height?  Being trans and NEEDING to transition IS NOT a choice for many and you shouldn't be raising doubt with your "worldly views" on the average female population.  My opinion is that continuing to struggle through life because of a few inches is ridiculous and if you would "choose" not to transition based on height I would question your motives. 

I'm 6'1" and therefore in your view an "Amazon" woman of the world.   Should I pack it in and just be content with being a depressed soul because you suggested that I'll be pointed and laughed at everyday of my life?  Tell you what honey, I have NO CHOICE and I'm not about to put off the rest of my fulfilled life because of it.  I guess Karlie Kloss and I will have to share the thin air up here at this altitude.

QuoteI'm 6'1" and therefore in your view an "Amazon" woman of the world.

There's a woman, on a Toronto TV news channel, who's is taller than the 2 guys she works with.  So, some women are quite tall.

Losing height on HRT would not be a good sign and perhaps indicate too little sex hormones as they have an impact on bone loss and spinal discs.

I have 4 daughters, 20, 19, 14 and 11. They are 5'9,6'0,5'6 and 5'5 respectively. My wife is 5'10 and an Irish fireplug. There are taller women out there.


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Quote from: staciM on April 24, 2017, 07:39:43 AM
No, that doesn't give any insight.  Maybe be a little more respectful and sensitive to those that are struggling with height?  Being trans and NEEDING to transition IS NOT a choice for many and you shouldn't be raising doubt with your "worldly views" on the average female population.  My opinion is that continuing to struggle through life because of a few inches is ridiculous and if you would "choose" not to transition based on height I would question your motives. 

I'm 6'1" and therefore in your view an "Amazon" woman of the world.   Should I pack it in and just be content with being a depressed soul because you suggested that I'll be pointed and laughed at everyday of my life?  Tell you what honey, I have NO CHOICE and I'm not about to put off the rest of my fulfilled life because of it.  I guess Karlie Kloss and I will have to share the thin air up here at this altitude.

I think I offended someone by saying that 6 ft. 1 is in the extreme for female height, and that I wouldn't want to be that tall.

Just because I would try hard not to transition if I were that height doesn't mean that others should be embarrassed of being that height! And the word "Amazon" never came out of my mouth. Nonetheless, someone asked for my insights on height, and I gave it: I would not want to be trans at 6 ft. 1 or taller.

According to this calculator: https//tall.life/height-percentile-calculator-age-country/ only one in just under 2,000 women would be your height if you were female and stood at 6 ft. 1. I think I have the right to say that I wouldn't want to be that height, especially since I'm not at all insulting anyone who is.

K.C.

Quote from: staciM on April 24, 2017, 07:39:43 AM
No, that doesn't give any insight.  Maybe be a little more respectful and sensitive to those that are struggling with height?  Being trans and NEEDING to transition IS NOT a choice for many and you shouldn't be raising doubt with your "worldly views" on the average female population.  My opinion is that continuing to struggle through life because of a few inches is ridiculous and if you would "choose" not to transition based on height I would question your motives. 

I'm 6'1" and therefore in your view an "Amazon" woman of the world.   Should I pack it in and just be content with being a depressed soul because you suggested that I'll be pointed and laughed at everyday of my life?  Tell you what honey, I have NO CHOICE and I'm not about to put off the rest of my fulfilled life because of it.  I guess Karlie Kloss and I will have to share the thin air up here at this altitude.

Also, I want to voice that I'm sorry that you've apparently been the recipient of insults for your height, maybe even having been called  "Amazon" by someone. I'm like 5 ft. 9 (according to that calculator, maybe 1 in 30 women would be around my height or taller), and I've even had people call me an Amazon. It's a hurtful term, and it's not something I'd attribute to someone.

But, it still stands---just as how I'd want to abstain from transitioning if I had a receding hairline, I would have been much more shy about it if I were 6 ft. 1 (or even 5 ft. 11: my height with two-inch heels).

K.C.

^ I've not received insults for my height...it's actually never mentioned, but yes, it's a sensitive aspect.  However, it wouldn't stop me from being myself, because I have to...there's no choice to be made. 

My point was that you should consider people's feelings when the OP is reaching out and is obviously concerned with their height.  Offering your negative opinion and now statistics on being tall isn't helping anyone....all it does is create more doubt and fear for the OP.  If you would enter a thread saying something similar about age or a receding hair line, I would be just as offended, even though neither impact me.  Would it have been appropriate to enter a thread with a 55yo OP that has fears of age and mention you would never have transitioned if you were over 50, and mention you were 30 or 40?  What you are effectively doing by posting in this thread about your height status (compared to others) is a "humble brag"....and that's despicable.

Quote from: staciM on April 24, 2017, 01:20:47 PM
^ I've not received insults for my height...it's actually never mentioned, but yes, it's a sensitive aspect.  However, it wouldn't stop me from being myself, because I have to...there's no choice to be made. 

My point was that you should consider people's feelings when the OP is reaching out and is obviously concerned with their height.  Offering your negative opinion and now statistics on being tall isn't helping anyone....all it does is create more doubt and fear for the OP.  If you would enter a thread saying something similar about age or a receding hair line, I would be just as offended, even though neither impact me.  What you are effectively doing by posting in this thread about your height status (compared to others) is a "humble brag"....and that's despicable.

There's no humble bragging, at least not intentionally​. I think most on here just live in a very different world than I do, and my overwhelming privilege shines through​ most of my posts. I just live as a regular girl, and thus think much more like a cis person than a trans person. But, insight is still insight, even if it offends someone. Also, I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone on a website, so my words certainly don't constitute bragging---and I know what my intention was better than anyone.

K.C.

I am 5'6 (or 5'5, not too sure) and I am thankful for my height. I used to want to even shorter but I don't mind it anymore, I just accept that I'm slightly taller than average for a girl here. And everyone is getting taller nowadays in my country.

Quote from: Aurorasky on April 24, 2017, 01:40:52 PM
I am 5'6 (or 5'5, not too sure) and I am thankful for my height. I used to want to even shorter but I don't mind it anymore, I just accept that I'm slightly taller than average for a girl here. And everyone is getting taller nowadays in my country.

Exactly!!

Quote from: femfem on April 24, 2017, 01:26:30 PM
There's no humble bragging, at least not intentionally​. I think most on here just live in a very different world than I do, and my overwhelming privilege shines through​ most of my posts. I just live as a regular girl, and thus think much more like a cis person than a trans person. But, insight is still insight, even if it offends someone. Also, I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone on a website, so my words certainly don't constitute bragging---and I know what my intention was better than anyone.

K.C.

Lol, omg!  So now your thoughts are more "authentic" as well?  Do you even realize when you're doing it? 

K.C., this comes from a place of authentic compassion.  I've come across some of your posts in the past and I think you have just as many "trans" concerns and issues as many of us.

Mod Edit- no judging or attacking another persons trans activities please TOS 9 and 10.

:police:
Okay folks, lets please be understanding of others and how they move about their transitions and lives. We may not agree with it, but judging or attacking them for it is against TOS 9 and 10. Lets be understanding of others and all the rules. Thanks
Mariah

I will likely get reprimanded for this, and I honestly don't care because I went online to try and find s bunch to associate with since the few like me I've met locally take everything out of proportion as well. But StaciM, she has said NOTHING derogatory to you. She has spoken HER opinion, and I for one value it as I have both hairline AND height issues that made me hold out for so long. HEARING someone else state they would have also reconsidered it actually HELPS me feel not alone, and I'm willing to bet I'm not alone here in that. You are outright attacking her only because you've heard something you don't like. Well, guess what? I fought for everyone's right to their opinion, whether or not I personally like those opinions, and what you're doing to her is appalling. Furthermore, the person who just spoke up grouping everyone in on that is wrong. That girl did nothing but POLITELY defend herself. To group her in is also blaming her, and that's garbage.

Oh, and my RATHER muscular build was also a reason I held off so long. If you are offended by that as well, then yell at me for all 3 issues. I can take it. Stop attacking her, though.

Quote from: Arctophile117 on April 25, 2017, 05:19:20 PM
I will likely get reprimanded for this, and I honestly don't care because I went online to try and find s bunch to associate with since the few like me I've met locally take everything out of proportion as well. But StaciM, she has said NOTHING derogatory to you. She has spoken HER opinion, and I for one value it as I have both hairline AND height issues that made me hold out for so long. HEARING someone else state they would have also reconsidered it actually HELPS me feel not alone, and I'm willing to bet I'm not alone here in that. You are outright attacking her only because you've heard something you don't like. Well, guess what? I fought for everyone's right to their opinion, whether or not I personally like those opinions, and what you're doing to her is appalling. Furthermore, the person who just spoke up grouping everyone in on that is wrong. That girl did nothing but POLITELY defend herself. To group her in is also blaming her, and that's garbage.

Oh, and my RATHER muscular build was also a reason I held off so long. If you are offended by that as well, then yell at me for all 3 issues. I can take it. Stop attacking her, though.

I wouldn't be offended that you held off, but if you weren't muscular and came into a thread and said you wouldn't because of it, I would be.

You defend people's right to an opinion but it's not ok for me to express me being offended by it?

See my perspective.....

Would it be ok for a 30 year old to state that if they were 50, they wouldn't consider transitioning because that's just too old?  How would that make a fragile 55yo OP feel?

Would it be ok for a medium build woman to state that it they were muscular they wouldn't consider transitioning because that's just too bulky?  How would that make a fragile muscular OP feel?

Would it be ok for someone with a perfect hairline to state that they wouldn't consider transitioning if they had a receding hairline because woman don't ever have them?  How would that make a fragile OP with a receding hairline feel?

What about a beautiful young easily passable woman stating they wouldn't transition if they were ugly....how would that make a fragile OP feel that is unsure and lacking confidence about their looks feel?

Let me take it a step further....what if someone created a thread with severe depression and mental issues and someone without those came into the thread and suggested that if they had those issues they wouldn't or shouldn't transition?  How would the OP take that?  Would it be helpful advice/opinion or possibly VERY damaging to the recovery process?

If my approach was incorrect, I apologize if it was misunderstood, but these examples are similar to how that opinion felt and why I defended my stance.

Yes, it would be (to ALL of your scenarios), so long as it's in regard to what THAT PERSON  would do, just as Femfem did. It does help some people feel understood and not alone in those fears or considerations, and as if someone is listening and therefore cares. I would have defended you just as I defended her had it been you instead of her. What would have placed her in the moral wrong is if she said YOU shouldn't. But what she expressed is what SHE would have done in that scenario. See what I'm saying?

Quote from: Arctophile117 on April 25, 2017, 06:52:33 PM
Yes, it would be (to ALL of your scenarios), so long as it's in regard to what THAT PERSON  would do, just as Femfem did. It does help some people feel understood and not alone in those fears or considerations, and as if someone is listening and therefore cares. I would have defended you just as I defended her had it been you instead of her. What would have placed her in the moral wrong is if she said YOU shouldn't. But what she expressed is what SHE would have done in that scenario. See what I'm saying?

We can agree to disagree but I don't see any of those as appropriate scenarios to comment on.  In my view, even if it's a technically "valid" opinion that is given, it can be damaging to someone that is specifically struggling or having doubts.  It's always mentioned that this is a support site, and having a strong opinion (enough to not even transition) against what you are doubting or concerned with, isn't supporting at all, it's damaging.....in my opinion.

Let's say you were having real doubts and fears about your receding hairline to the point of it it possibly causing you not to transition.  I don't see how me (that doesn't have that issue) coming into your thread saying that I would never transition if I had a receding hairline helps you (even if it's a valid opinion).....unless you're looking for excuses not to transition.....but that's another matter.   I think we can assume we are looking for support to transition, rather than excuses not to.

If you feel otherwise, that's your view, but I don't share it.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,222777.msg1972894.html#msg1972894

What you're doing is blaming Femfem for doing FOR the OP, what Raell did FOR Emily in this post. There is a difference between "offense" and "disliking." I dislike what Raell said. However, I can't take offense because there are cases where she is right, and Emily should be aware of the risks involved to make an informed decision, and to prepare for the negative.

What Femfem said to the OP, I dislike. Not because it's offensive, but because the topic is uncomfortable. But again, I can't take offense because it's what SHE would have done. And again, it can help people feel not alone in that fear.

People are going to say things that make you uncomfortable. Things aren't ALL pleasant, and trying to treat it like it is will leave some people mulling over many things because they'll feel as if nobody wants to hear it, therefore doesn't care. Get off your high horse. If this forum is going to condone quieting someone because what they say causes someone discomfort, then it's going to help hold our "community" back.

The whole point of tackling the uncomfortable issues is to work through them.

Could we please drop it.  Agree to disagree and walk away.

It took me forever to get past the what if's and fear of things not looking right as I go.  It almost took as much time for that as it did for me to admit that I was the wrong me.

It took YOU forever. This person needs support in it. And I as well. In case you want to go there.

Thanks for the replies everyone, think I am going to lock this thread now.