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Title: Breast development stage?
Post by: josie76 on April 29, 2017, 07:05:34 AM
Post by: josie76 on April 29, 2017, 07:05:34 AM
I'm kinda trying to figure out what to expect to feel and see at different stages.
I had many years of low T before coming to terms with myself where slow development started. About 5 years back I had little hard spots under my nipples. The last couple of years there was some tissue under my ariolas. The last 6 months I have had the aching and growth outward from the ariolas. They have put on some weight inside. The last 2 days my nipples hurt if just touched. There seems like a hard lump developing under both ariolas. This hurts if pressed on slightly.
From pictures I'm just guessing I'm at Tanner 3. Is the lump under the ariolas the start of Tanner 4? Maybe you ladies who have been through these stages can let us know what to expect to see and feel?
I had many years of low T before coming to terms with myself where slow development started. About 5 years back I had little hard spots under my nipples. The last couple of years there was some tissue under my ariolas. The last 6 months I have had the aching and growth outward from the ariolas. They have put on some weight inside. The last 2 days my nipples hurt if just touched. There seems like a hard lump developing under both ariolas. This hurts if pressed on slightly.
From pictures I'm just guessing I'm at Tanner 3. Is the lump under the ariolas the start of Tanner 4? Maybe you ladies who have been through these stages can let us know what to expect to see and feel?
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Axolotl on April 29, 2017, 08:21:21 AM
Post by: Axolotl on April 29, 2017, 08:21:21 AM
The lump is just gland tissue. I had tanner stage 2 development (stuck at that stage) for 2 decades. I always had lumps and sensitivity like you described. It's no cause for concern, and it's not indicative of further development. I am now on HRT and seem to be at stage 3 finally. The differences I notice most are an increase in mass on the outer sides of the breast area, not the nipples. I am going by visual diagrams to determine these stages. The pain I feel in my breasts is mostly felt when something jabs or touches the breast tissue that is outside of the nipple area. Like I said, sensitivity if the nipples has been noticeable since stage 2.
The best way to avoid irritating sensitive nipples is don't touch them, and don't do too much exercising or walking that causes friction between the nipples and shirts.
The best way to avoid irritating sensitive nipples is don't touch them, and don't do too much exercising or walking that causes friction between the nipples and shirts.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Chris8080 on April 29, 2017, 10:01:51 AM
Post by: Chris8080 on April 29, 2017, 10:01:51 AM
Enough posts about painful breasts and sore nipples to make me feel like the lone person out. ??? Never a hint of any kind of pain in the breasts and the nipples being rubbed is the joy of my life. Nipples so intense at times I need to remind myself to breath. Fortunately that's not all the time, could be hard to function but wonderful beyond description. I intentionally wear loose shirts so the nipples do rub as they jiggle, even put pens or something in the shirt pocket to give the nipples something extra to rub against.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 10:31:55 AM
Post by: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 10:31:55 AM
Search Tanner and Breast on google image.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Chris8080 on April 29, 2017, 10:39:02 AM
Post by: Chris8080 on April 29, 2017, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 10:31:55 AM
Search Tanner and Breast on google image.
Yep, been there done that. I don't pretend to explain it, simply that I am more than pleased with my own development thus far and pain or soreness has not been any part of it I am pleased to say. What others experience is I can't say and don't pretend to know other than what I've read here.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Brooke on April 29, 2017, 11:09:09 AM
Post by: Brooke on April 29, 2017, 11:09:09 AM
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~Brooke~
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Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: AnneK on April 29, 2017, 11:11:03 AM
Post by: AnneK on April 29, 2017, 11:11:03 AM
QuoteNever a hint of any kind of pain in the breasts
Perhaps you should discuss this problem with your doctor. ;)
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Chris8080 on April 29, 2017, 12:46:30 PM
Post by: Chris8080 on April 29, 2017, 12:46:30 PM
Quote from: AnneK on April 29, 2017, 11:11:03 AM
Perhaps you should discuss this problem with your doctor. ;)
With as much of this as I've read here I probably will though I can't understand not being in pain is a problem. ???
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Axolotl on April 29, 2017, 01:01:08 PM
Post by: Axolotl on April 29, 2017, 01:01:08 PM
Quote from: Chris8080 on April 29, 2017, 12:46:30 PM
With as much of this as I've read here I probably will though I can't understand not being in pain is a problem. ???
I think maybe you are misunderstanding what pain kind of we're talking about. For me it's a very dull pain mostly. Soreness is a better description. Also, my particular soreness is felt mostly just when something jabs or hits my chest. If nothing touches me, I feel mostly painless. Occasionally (like right now) there is a very subtle soreness that is easy to ignore.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 01:13:54 PM
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 01:13:54 PM
The difference between Tanner 3 & 4 is profound.
Tanner 3 is kind of the end of the outward growth phase. Conical boob growth.
Tanner 4 is when those cones start to fill out. Nipple and areola growth continues. Sensitivity increases, and your breasts start to feel cooler because their climate control abilities kick in. Boobs keep milk cooler than regular body temps. Much like the scrotum keep sperm cooler.
Bioidentical progesterone is thought to be of use for completing breast development. By the time you reach Tanner 3, without progesterone, your body may not have all it needs to finish the glandular development of your milk factories.
By Tanner 4, breasts feel to the touch very much like mature adult breasts (perhaps a little more dense because they are new).
Hope that helps.
Tanner 3 is kind of the end of the outward growth phase. Conical boob growth.
Tanner 4 is when those cones start to fill out. Nipple and areola growth continues. Sensitivity increases, and your breasts start to feel cooler because their climate control abilities kick in. Boobs keep milk cooler than regular body temps. Much like the scrotum keep sperm cooler.
Bioidentical progesterone is thought to be of use for completing breast development. By the time you reach Tanner 3, without progesterone, your body may not have all it needs to finish the glandular development of your milk factories.
By Tanner 4, breasts feel to the touch very much like mature adult breasts (perhaps a little more dense because they are new).
Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 03:25:43 PM
Post by: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: Tori on April 29, 2017, 01:13:54 PMyour breasts start to feel cooler because their climate control abilities kick in. Boobs keep milk cooler than regular body temps. Much like testicles keep sperm cooler.
Testicles, yea because they hang from the body but I never heard of this as far as breast milk goes. I always read breast milk was best at body temperature, around 37 Celsius, like it would be if the baby was breastfed directly by the mother.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: josie76 on April 29, 2017, 03:35:25 PM
Post by: josie76 on April 29, 2017, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Tori on April 29, 2017, 01:13:54 PM
The difference between Tanner 3 & 4 is profound.
Tanner 3 is kind of the end of the outward growth phase. Conical boob growth.
Tanner 4 is when those cones start to fill out. Nipple and areola growth continues. Sensitivity increases, and your breasts start to feel cooler because their climate control abilities kick in. Boobs keep milk cooler than regular body temps. Much like testicles keep sperm cooler.
Bioidentical progesterone is thought to be of use for completing breast development. By the time you reach Tanner 3, without progesterone, your body may not have all it needs to finish the glandular development of your milk factories.
By Tanner 4, breasts feel to the touch very much like mature adult breasts (perhaps a little more dense because they are new).
Hope that helps.
It might. There are only a few repeated graphics of breast stages online. Very little description of what actually is going on inside. Mine aren't very large but they are rounded nicely. Just noticed with the pain from slight pressure that there is now something more solid like directly under both ariolas. So wondering like so many others just what is going on in my body. I had several years of early puberty like effects that were either from my body making levels of estrogen on its own or increased aromatase that are possible side effects of two of the medicines I take. Either way it was a godsend when I had a vesectomy about 7 years ago and my T dropped off hard after a few months.
Looking forward to more changes. Oh I read that progesterone may push a tanner4 through to tanner5 but it may also require enough HGH and insulin like hormone 3 I think it was.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
Yup. Right around that temperature in a bottle. Then it would instantly start to cool. Boobs do a bit of the cool down themselves.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 03:41:13 PM
Post by: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: josie76 on April 29, 2017, 03:35:25 PMThere are only a few repeated graphics of breast stages online. Very little description of what actually is going on inside.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanner_scale#Breasts_.28female.29
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 03:42:29 PM
Post by: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: Tori on April 29, 2017, 03:39:59 PMBoobs do a bit of the cool down themselves.
Are you sure? Where did you get that information from? Any studies showing this to be the case and explaining the mechanism?
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 03:45:38 PM
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 03:45:38 PM
The evidence that progesterone helps complete breast growth and maturity is compelling. Combine that with the thousands of trans folks testimonials and you have a pretty solid case.
Speaking for myself, P has been an absolute godsend. I had pretty much given up on any further development. Now they feel entirely different both to touch and grab, and from my end, how the sensations are perceived.
But as always, YMMV, and you own your transition. Nobody else does.
Speaking for myself, P has been an absolute godsend. I had pretty much given up on any further development. Now they feel entirely different both to touch and grab, and from my end, how the sensations are perceived.
But as always, YMMV, and you own your transition. Nobody else does.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 03:51:38 PM
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 03:51:38 PM
Quote from: KayXo on April 29, 2017, 03:42:29 PM
Are you sure? Where did you get that information from? Any studies showing this to be the case and explaining the mechanism?
Lol. It is a bit harder to find any studies than I expected. Look for anything about breast temperature or milk temperature and you will learn about how to cook chickens and turkeys, and heat refrigerated breast milk.
So, here is an article that has nothing to do with what I am talking about, but it does show an infrared scan of a female torso. Red means hot, blue means cold. Look at the picture and notice what are the coldest zones.
http://www.iact-org.org/patients/breastthermography/what-is-breast-therm.html
Boobs also feel colder than the rest of the body once stage 4 is reached. They feel colder from the inside and to the touch.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Chris8080 on April 29, 2017, 04:05:45 PM
Post by: Chris8080 on April 29, 2017, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: Tori on April 29, 2017, 01:13:54 PMBoobs keep milk cooler than regular body temps. Much like testicles keep sperm cooler.
Hope that helps.
I had never heard of this before either, interesting though. My breasts always feel cooler than the rest of me, something I've been curious about.
It's the scrotum that regulates testicle temp by expanding or contracting but yes, the evil twins are kept cooler. Not the sperm that's kept cooler though, it's the testicles because too warm and they produce less sperm.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 04:08:32 PM
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 04:08:32 PM
Yup. The scrotum does the temp control down there. There is a biological reason for cold water shrinkage. Fertility maintenance.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on April 29, 2017, 06:04:56 PM
Post by: link5019 on April 29, 2017, 06:04:56 PM
Quote from: Tori on April 29, 2017, 01:13:54 PM
The difference between Tanner 3 & 4 is profound.
Tanner 3 is kind of the end of the outward growth phase. Conical boob growth.
Tanner 4 is when those cones start to fill out. Nipple and areola growth continues. Sensitivity increases, and your breasts start to feel cooler because their climate control abilities kick in. Boobs keep milk cooler than regular body temps. Much like the scrotum keep sperm cooler.
Bioidentical progesterone is thought to be of use for completing breast development. By the time you reach Tanner 3, without progesterone, your body may not have all it needs to finish the glandular development of your milk factories.
By Tanner 4, breasts feel to the touch very much like mature adult breasts (perhaps a little more dense because they are new).
Hope that helps.
Tanner stage 4 is also about the most freaking slowest stage ever too XD. Like seriously -_- I've noticed the past few months there has been minimal outward growth (not sure if that's the progesterone or just going to tanner 4), but I have noticed a lot of rounding so based on your description of tanner 4, that sounds like right where I'm at, though I personally hate the tanner scale if you base it purely on how boobs physically look, because it's so inaccurate. I know for me, I still feel very firm in the breasts, can feel the breast tissue pretty easily and still in a somewhat disc shape, but it's harder and hard to feel the discs the more fuller and bigger they get ^_^
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 06:11:25 PM
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 06:11:25 PM
Very true.
I am always telling people who are worried about their growth rate to watch teens develop. No need to be creepy or anything. We have all grown up as women around us develop. We should know the routine by now.
They get little cones at first. Then the cones grow for a year or two. At around age 13-15, they tend to reach stage 4 and almost overnight they seem..... fuller and gravity starts to effect them differently than it did before, no matter their size. And then they just continue to fill slowly, pretty much over the course of the rest of their life.
If you want mature breasts, it is going to take you roughly as much time as they would take to develop and mature on any other woman... along with maintaining the proper hormonal levels.
I am always telling people who are worried about their growth rate to watch teens develop. No need to be creepy or anything. We have all grown up as women around us develop. We should know the routine by now.
They get little cones at first. Then the cones grow for a year or two. At around age 13-15, they tend to reach stage 4 and almost overnight they seem..... fuller and gravity starts to effect them differently than it did before, no matter their size. And then they just continue to fill slowly, pretty much over the course of the rest of their life.
If you want mature breasts, it is going to take you roughly as much time as they would take to develop and mature on any other woman... along with maintaining the proper hormonal levels.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Brooke on April 29, 2017, 07:02:46 PM
Post by: Brooke on April 29, 2017, 07:02:46 PM
Quote from: Tori on April 29, 2017, 06:11:25 PM
If you want mature breasts, it is going to take you roughly as much time as they would take to develop and mature on any other woman... along with maintaining the proper hormonal levels.
But....But... I WANT THEM NOW
https://youtu.be/Wzr12gBrXA8 (https://youtu.be/Wzr12gBrXA8)
~Brooke~
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 07:05:35 PM
Post by: Tori on April 29, 2017, 07:05:35 PM
Lol
Be careful what you wish for...
:p
Be careful what you wish for...
:p
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on April 30, 2017, 04:09:55 AM
Post by: link5019 on April 30, 2017, 04:09:55 AM
Quote from: Tori on April 29, 2017, 06:11:25 PM
Very true.
I am always telling people who are worried about their growth rate to watch teens develop. No need to be creepy or anything. We have all grown up as women around us develop. We should know the routine by now.
They get little cones at first. Then the cones grow for a year or two. At around age 13-15, they tend to reach stage 4 and almost overnight they seem..... fuller and gravity starts to effect them differently than it did before, no matter their size. And then they just continue to fill slowly, pretty much over the course of the rest of their life.
If you want mature breasts, it is going to take you roughly as much time as they would take to develop and mature on any other woman... along with maintaining the proper hormonal levels.
Exactly! Which is why you can't expect to be developed in only 2 years. It takes years for both cis and transwomen to develop so it's best to just enjoy the ride. I haven't noticed too much of a difference with how gravity effects, but it's been very subtle. It's really nice to be a lot fuller, though waiting for the day when they are matured is the painfully slow process but it's so worth it! The back pain though...I'm not sure about that one XD But you're right, not in a creepy way seeing how teens develop really does help in showing how our breasts develop. I really do think that progesterone is essential, even if it's in a small way, because it does help develop the milk glands.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on May 01, 2017, 06:00:25 PM
Post by: Tori on May 01, 2017, 06:00:25 PM
Completely agree about progesterone. It totally changed the texture of my breasts. Made them feel like boobs not buds. And pushed me into Tanner 4. Like 1000's of trans women before me. Love it!
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on May 01, 2017, 08:02:19 PM
Post by: link5019 on May 01, 2017, 08:02:19 PM
Quote from: Tori on May 01, 2017, 06:00:25 PMRight? I've only been on Progesterone for about 7 - 8 months, and I've noticed a nice impact. My boobs are more, Jigglier? Softer? lol like the texture is just different...not crazy about the puffy areolas that sometimes comes with tanner 4 (the mound on top of a mound, and you can feel the disk deep inside your breast), but it's a thing and I'm just glad I have a really nice pair of boobs that are rounding nicely. I wish someone would do an actual study so it can be proven P really does help.
Completely agree about progesterone. It totally changed the texture of my breasts. Made them feel like boobs not buds. And pushed me into Tanner 4. Like 1000's of trans women before me. Love it!
Though I started at 19, and I'm not sure what effect being intersex has on it, but like I am looking forward to the growth over the next several years.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on May 01, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Post by: Tori on May 01, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Lol. The secondary nipple cone. I too am getting to know it well.
You know what that really is?
Conical breast growth is future mass and cup size. When it fills out and changes texture, that is maturity. The newest outward growth is almost always conical. And God knows they grow outward.
So, it just means they are still growing. Even while they fill out below. Eeeeeep.
Not the most attractive boob look. Puberty is awkward. But it means you are still a growing girl.
You know what that really is?
Conical breast growth is future mass and cup size. When it fills out and changes texture, that is maturity. The newest outward growth is almost always conical. And God knows they grow outward.
So, it just means they are still growing. Even while they fill out below. Eeeeeep.
Not the most attractive boob look. Puberty is awkward. But it means you are still a growing girl.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: JeanetteLW on May 01, 2017, 08:26:06 PM
Post by: JeanetteLW on May 01, 2017, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: Tori on May 01, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Lol. The secondary nipple cone. I too am getting to know it well.
I didn't get the first nipple bumps. My boobs started growing all around the areola leaving a hole in the center so that area was flat. The area has since filled a little to match the contour of the rest of the boob. I'm about an A cup now at 5 months. I feel left out.
Hugs,
Laurie
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on May 01, 2017, 08:33:03 PM
Post by: Tori on May 01, 2017, 08:33:03 PM
Lol. The hole in the center is where the glands aren't. The doughnut around it are the developing glands. The conical growth is fat that houses the glandular structure.
Sounds like you are getting all the parts. Just describing them in your own words. And the conical growth hasn't has a huge spurt... yet.
Sounds like you are getting all the parts. Just describing them in your own words. And the conical growth hasn't has a huge spurt... yet.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 03:26:50 AM
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 03:26:50 AM
Quote from: Tori on May 01, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Lol. The secondary nipple cone. I too am getting to know it well.
You know what that really is?
Conical breast growth is future mass and cup size. When it fills out and changes texture, that is maturity. The newest outward growth is almost always conical. And God knows they grow outward.
So, it just means they are still growing. Even while they fill out below. Eeeeeep.
Not the most attractive boob look. Puberty is awkward. But it means you are still a growing girl.
Yeahhhh it's kind of annoying cause it's like, round, cone, round, cone, round. XD puberty is so awkward, guess it's a good thing it lasts so long. Seeing as both side of my family are huge...looks like I'm going to be pretty big too if not at the same size cause of my starting age...just thinking about it, ouch the back pain. lol
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 04:23:32 AM
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 04:23:32 AM
Hahaha
I feel your ghost back pains.
I knew I was in store for quite a ride when like, 3 months into transition my doc took a look at my chest, and his eyes lingered... then finally he blurted out, "How big ARE the women in your family?"
You and I may be partners in boobage.
I feel your ghost back pains.
I knew I was in store for quite a ride when like, 3 months into transition my doc took a look at my chest, and his eyes lingered... then finally he blurted out, "How big ARE the women in your family?"
You and I may be partners in boobage.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 06:50:40 AM
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 06:50:40 AM
Quote from: Tori on May 02, 2017, 04:23:32 AMlol that's amazing. lol I was a A cup at 1 month, B cup at 3 months, C cup at 5, D at 8, and now at almost 14 months DD. And knowing that boobs grow on average around 3 - 5 years...lol I'm glad I'll have nice full big breasts, though the back pain XD....right now I hate the awkwardness that is Tanner 4 and I want the awkwardness to pass soon lol. The hardest part really is waiting. My doctor at my one year check up just looked at me and was like, "girl, you need a bigger bra." (this was when I was still a D cup), lol and the women in my family in general range between a 36E - 36G, for frame of reference, though bra sizes are relative anyways lol.
Hahaha
I feel your ghost back pains.
I knew I was in store for quite a ride when like, 3 months into transition my doc took a look at my chest, and his eyes lingered... then finally he blurted out, "How big ARE the women in your family?"
You and I may be partners in boobage.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: mm on May 02, 2017, 09:42:37 AM
Post by: mm on May 02, 2017, 09:42:37 AM
link5019, you definitely following the women in your family, having well developed breasts on both sides you have the genes to be large as well. Getting to a DD in 14 mo is very fast and it must have been surprising too you to be developing so fast. Buy and wear good supporting bras to help your back and give you a good figure.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Chris8080 on May 02, 2017, 09:57:21 AM
Post by: Chris8080 on May 02, 2017, 09:57:21 AM
If looking at nothing but how fast I started to develop and family genetics I think it safe to say I'll probably get large. Mom and two sisters all alike and large. However, middle sister (same mother and father) . . . Fried eggs. Go figure!
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 10:00:35 AM
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: mm on May 02, 2017, 09:42:37 AM
link5019, you definitely following the women in your family, having well developed breasts on both sides you have the genes to be large as well. Getting to a DD in 14 mo is very fast and it must have been surprising too you to be developing so fast. Buy and wear good supporting bras to help your back and give you a good figure.
Yeah...I find bras really awkward since my boobs are still growing, which makes them fit somewhat awkwardly but also does help support a lot :D and I've got a nice semi-hourglass in the works for my figure, and my hips and butt have had some nice growth, even bone growth in the hips.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: mm on May 02, 2017, 10:18:37 AM
Post by: mm on May 02, 2017, 10:18:37 AM
link5019, finding the right bra may take some looking. I would try on many sometimes to find ones that fit and felt good when I would move. When I would find a bra I though would work for me, I did all kinds of movements and sketching in the dressing room at the store to see how the bra felt when I did all these body motions. Go to a good dept or bra store and get fitted and see how the correct bra feels.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 11:07:42 AM
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 11:07:42 AM
Quote from: mm on May 02, 2017, 10:18:37 AM
link5019, finding the right bra may take some looking. I would try on many sometimes to find ones that fit and felt good when I would move. When I would find a bra I though would work for me, I did all kinds of movements and sketching in the dressing room at the store to see how the bra felt when I did all these body motions. Go to a good dept or bra store and get fitted and see how the correct bra feels.
lol it's not that it's just that wearing bras, because they are still filling out, sometimes I have to readjust because I'm not fully developed yet if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: mm on May 02, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
Post by: mm on May 02, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
Yes, wearing bras is still new to you and the way you have developed you have a lot to learn about wearing them. It take awhile for a cis girl to get use to wearing bras and you have developed much faster than most of them. Many girls are adjusting the straps, etc as they get use to them and many older women do too mostly because they are wearing the wrong bra for them. I think you should go and get a fitting at a good dept or bra store.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 12:50:34 PM
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 12:50:34 PM
Link, it is like you are describing MY chest! I was between D and DD by 12 months and folks around here would not believe me.
And yes. Large, conical boobs do NOT work well with virtually any bra (sports bras were the comfort option for me for a good stretch). Now that they are finally filling out, bra cups can start doing what they were made to do... but yup, you can tell they aren't quite the right shape still. Bras are uncomfortable in general, but the discomfort from having large, still growing boobs is like the discomfort of being a square peg wedged into a round hole. And the discomfort seems to come from the cups, not the straps.
The larger my boobs get, and the more they fill out, the more comfortable bras become. But bras are very much a utilitarian and pragmatic thing for folks above a C. Girls new to HRT keep saying how they want big boobs and I keep thinking, "Oh honey, they are GREAT in theory, but a C cup allows you all the fun of larger boobs, while having WAY more options to holster them and move around."
And yes. Large, conical boobs do NOT work well with virtually any bra (sports bras were the comfort option for me for a good stretch). Now that they are finally filling out, bra cups can start doing what they were made to do... but yup, you can tell they aren't quite the right shape still. Bras are uncomfortable in general, but the discomfort from having large, still growing boobs is like the discomfort of being a square peg wedged into a round hole. And the discomfort seems to come from the cups, not the straps.
The larger my boobs get, and the more they fill out, the more comfortable bras become. But bras are very much a utilitarian and pragmatic thing for folks above a C. Girls new to HRT keep saying how they want big boobs and I keep thinking, "Oh honey, they are GREAT in theory, but a C cup allows you all the fun of larger boobs, while having WAY more options to holster them and move around."
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Angélique LaCava on May 02, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
Post by: Angélique LaCava on May 02, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
My boobs are a b cup and with straps my boobs fill in the cups of bras, but with strapless bras my the sides of my boobs fill out the right side of the cup, but towards the middle of my chest its still roomy in the cup. That's going to fill out right?
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 01:12:57 PM
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 01:12:57 PM
You know by now that nobody can say for sure what your future developments will bring.
And strapless bras are always going to cause some hassles. They reduce visible lines, at the cost of physical supporting ability. Physics.
All I can do is remind you to look at young women who have been in puberty for roughly the same amount of time as you have been on HRT, and compare your developments with theirs. They too would have boobs like yours (as you have described them)... and yes, rounding out seems to come with time (and progesterone). Rounding out isn't exactly about size either, but rather shape.
We may be adults, but our boobs are just like teenage girls' for the first 6-10 years of transition.
I have found using a body massager on my breasts for a few minutes a day for a couple weeks when they were at stage 2-3 seemed to help them release some of their male tension, and kind of plop into a better place. But that may just be coincidence. But if you don't already have one, it is a fine excuse to get yourself a Hitachi Magic Wand. :)
And strapless bras are always going to cause some hassles. They reduce visible lines, at the cost of physical supporting ability. Physics.
All I can do is remind you to look at young women who have been in puberty for roughly the same amount of time as you have been on HRT, and compare your developments with theirs. They too would have boobs like yours (as you have described them)... and yes, rounding out seems to come with time (and progesterone). Rounding out isn't exactly about size either, but rather shape.
We may be adults, but our boobs are just like teenage girls' for the first 6-10 years of transition.
I have found using a body massager on my breasts for a few minutes a day for a couple weeks when they were at stage 2-3 seemed to help them release some of their male tension, and kind of plop into a better place. But that may just be coincidence. But if you don't already have one, it is a fine excuse to get yourself a Hitachi Magic Wand. :)
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2017, 01:18:40 PM
Post by: Brooke on May 02, 2017, 01:18:40 PM
With all these talks of larger cup sizes I have to wonder if that old rule of thumb that we can expect a size smaller than our female relatives doesn't hold water any longer.
I've read elsewhere here that that size smaller rule came into play when non bio identical esterdiol was used, T not being fully surprised and no progesterone to speak of.
Any additional information on the why mechanism here would be helpful.
I do have a question for any girls here that started a low dose protocol for awhile, and then eventually got up to transitional dosage of E (And progesterone). What did your growth look like on low dose as compared to full dose, and in your opinion did the time spent at low dose help/hinder/neither the development of your breasts. I guess I'm wondering is if the timeline clock starts the moment E is started or when E and T are at transitional level, as it relates to breast growth.
~Brooke~
I've read elsewhere here that that size smaller rule came into play when non bio identical esterdiol was used, T not being fully surprised and no progesterone to speak of.
Any additional information on the why mechanism here would be helpful.
I do have a question for any girls here that started a low dose protocol for awhile, and then eventually got up to transitional dosage of E (And progesterone). What did your growth look like on low dose as compared to full dose, and in your opinion did the time spent at low dose help/hinder/neither the development of your breasts. I guess I'm wondering is if the timeline clock starts the moment E is started or when E and T are at transitional level, as it relates to breast growth.
~Brooke~
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 01:50:48 PM
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 01:50:48 PM
Brooke, that old rule of thumb is an old wife's tale.
Genetics and proper hormone levels determine boob size. Notice how many women here see better growth results even after years on HRT just by switching from say, pills to injections? Hormones play a big part. You want them well within the fertile female range. Pills alone rarely cut it. They are better'n nothing though. Many of us have our development stunted by overly cautious doctors.
And most people who talk about HRT in places like this, let's face it, are folks who haven't been on HRT for long. So, we compare notes with other n00bs about our boobs. And our boobs tend to be brand new and still immature.
A sad fact of transition is once a person has fully transitioned, they become less likely to participate in groups like this, so we don't hear as much from people on the other side.
And, like any other woman, a great amount of breast tissue comes from excess fat. I am sure I would lose a cup or two if I lost the 20 lbs I need to lose to get my BMI back to normal for my height. But being slightly overweight as a woman certainly has more perks than as a man. >:-)
Genetics and proper hormone levels determine boob size. Notice how many women here see better growth results even after years on HRT just by switching from say, pills to injections? Hormones play a big part. You want them well within the fertile female range. Pills alone rarely cut it. They are better'n nothing though. Many of us have our development stunted by overly cautious doctors.
And most people who talk about HRT in places like this, let's face it, are folks who haven't been on HRT for long. So, we compare notes with other n00bs about our boobs. And our boobs tend to be brand new and still immature.
A sad fact of transition is once a person has fully transitioned, they become less likely to participate in groups like this, so we don't hear as much from people on the other side.
And, like any other woman, a great amount of breast tissue comes from excess fat. I am sure I would lose a cup or two if I lost the 20 lbs I need to lose to get my BMI back to normal for my height. But being slightly overweight as a woman certainly has more perks than as a man. >:-)
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 02:26:08 PM
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: Tori on May 02, 2017, 12:50:34 PM
Link, it is like you are describing MY chest! I was between D and DD by 12 months and folks around here would not believe me.
And yes. Large, conical boobs do NOT work well with virtually any bra (sports bras were the comfort option for me for a good stretch). Now that they are finally filling out, bra cups can start doing what they were made to do... but yup, you can tell they aren't quite the right shape still. Bras are uncomfortable in general, but the discomfort from having large, still growing boobs is like the discomfort of being a square peg wedged into a round hole. And the discomfort seems to come from the cups, not the straps.
The larger my boobs get, and the more they fill out, the more comfortable bras become. But bras are very much a utilitarian and pragmatic thing for folks above a C. Girls new to HRT keep saying how they want big boobs and I keep thinking, "Oh honey, they are GREAT in theory, but a C cup allows you all the fun of larger boobs, while having WAY more options to holster them and move around."
lol right? Like my main issue is that since they are still filling out, if I raise my arms up, my breasts will stretch and the under boob kind of disappears a bit which means readjusting. It's not as much of an issue anymore since I've been rounding out, but it gets a bit annoying. I usually wear T-shirt and Demi bras, since they actually really show off the natural cleavage I have and still developing, and they are also sooooo comfortable compared to full coverage or balconette. I did research and I found once you're a D cup and up, you might want to wear a sports bra to bed just to give some support to your growing girls so they aren't flopping everywhere throughout the night.
XD and like seriously...C cups are nice cause you get all the cute bras, they aren't super big, no back pain....just like seriously. I'll come home from a day out and be like, "OMG my back!" then taking my bra off, "OMG ahhhhhhhhhhhh sweet relief....lol" like seriously I can't wrap my hands all the way around my boobs anymore, it takes like two hands now, which is cool, but kind of annoying too, but I love my growing girls.
You're also right. like doctors will say our breasts only develop for like 2 - 3 years, though the majority of people usually start post puberty (I started at 19 so I still had some puberty left XD), but either way, our bodies develop pretty much like cis-women...which takes about 5 - 10 years, with the majority of our growth happening in the first 5 years. but it's worth the wait...with all the pains that is patients....and speaking of that I need to get myself a hitatchi wand. lol
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 02:33:46 PM
Post by: Tori on May 02, 2017, 02:33:46 PM
Every gal should have one. Or two...
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 02:50:27 PM
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 02:50:27 PM
Quote from: Tori on May 02, 2017, 02:33:46 PMor fiveeeeee XD
Every gal should have one. Or two...
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: Chris8080 on May 02, 2017, 06:42:42 PM
Post by: Chris8080 on May 02, 2017, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: Tori on May 02, 2017, 01:50:48 PMI am sure I would lose a cup or two if I lost the 20 lbs I need to lose to get my BMI back to normal for my height. But being slightly overweight as a woman certainly has more perks than as a man. >:-)
That is a great point. I was on HRT years ago & then 27 years & no HRT, I had developed small breasts and for those years losing weight was mighty tough to do simply because the very first weight I lost was breast. When I did lose weight I lost about half of my breast size and I just didn't have any extra to lose. Was kind of depressing making losing weight pretty tough.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: KayXo on May 02, 2017, 07:29:58 PM
Post by: KayXo on May 02, 2017, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: link5019 on May 01, 2017, 08:02:19 PM
the mound on top of a mound
Exactly what I got when I added progesterone and somewhat rounder, fuller, heavier breasts. Areolas also much softer to the touch and nipples more erect.
Quote from: Tori on May 01, 2017, 08:33:03 PM
Lol. The hole in the center is where the glands aren't. The doughnut around it are the developing glands. The conical growth is fat that houses the glandular structure.
The conical growth is the ducts forming and branching out, stimulated mainly by estrogen. Milk glands around it are mostly stimulated by progesterone.
Title: Re: Breast development stage?
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 07:46:14 PM
Post by: link5019 on May 02, 2017, 07:46:14 PM
Quote from: KayXo on May 02, 2017, 07:29:58 PM
Exactly what I got when I added progesterone and somewhat rounder, fuller, heavier breasts. Areolas also much softer to the touch and nipples more erect.
The conical growth is the ducts forming and branching out, stimulated mainly by estrogen. Milk glands around it are mostly stimulated by progesterone.
Yeah....exactly the same, though my nipples still stay mostly flat, but they have been more erect lately. and super soft. :D along with the rounder, fuller, heavier boobs.