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This has always been a worry for me and as time goes on even more so. Since starting perminantly on hormones in 2002 I have noticed alarming effects with my fat distribution. The aera where I had a little fat (my belly) is where the fat has increased (very much like male type fat distribution) and has exagerated the area through time. I still have (in comparison) very little fat on my legs, butt, thighs and face. I think my pic makes me look far better than it really is and it's not that recent.

Recently the fat on my belly is increasing, the more HRT I take and it has got bigger and it looks awful with my clothes off, very male type fat effect. I excercise a lot and walk to miles but the fat distribution continues in the wrong places mimmicking a male type fat - distribution. Has anyone got any serious solutions other than lipo?

Tight-lacing corsetry?

Maybe you need to change your exercise routine to aerobic and strength training. It appears that "walking" is not doing it for you. Besides training in a gym, I try to maintain a diet high in lean protein, vegetables, legumes and fruit. I have mostly eliminated processed sugar and fats from my diet. I also use supplements, alpha lipoic acid, c-esther, fish oil and a bunch of other stuff.

BTW implants really help make the waist look slimmer. :)

Another option is not to beat yourself up so much.

Quote from: Berliegh on December 01, 2007, 06:37:01 AM
This has always been a worry for me and as time goes on even more so. Since starting perminantly on hormones in 2002 I have noticed alarming effects with my fat distribution. The aera where I had a little fat (my belly) is where the fat has increased (very much like male type fat distribution) and has exagerated the area through time. I still have (in comparison) very little fat on my legs, butt, thighs and face. I think my pic makes me look far better than it really is and it's not that recent.

Recently the fat on my belly is increasing, the more HRT I take and it has got bigger and it looks awful with my clothes off, very male type fat effect. I excercise a lot and walk to miles but the fat distribution continues in the wrong places mimmicking a male type fat - distribution. Has anyone got any serious solutions other than lipo?

Don't kill the messenger, but it could be just your body type. Yes, most women have the typical 'female fat patterns' but some have the more 'male looking fat patterns', including me. Since putting on weight, I now have a big beer gut way more obvious than anything else. I've never been on T. It's just the way my body divies up the fat. I hated it when I was skinny because I'd gain 5 lbs and gain a gut while other girls could put on 20 and gain a nice booty while still having a waist.

If this is your case, there's little you can do about it. Skinny or fat, you'll have the same basic shape. And spot training doesn't work. :(

Quote from: Berliegh on December 01, 2007, 06:37:01 AM
The aera where I had a little fat (my belly) is where the fat has increased (very much like male type fat distribution) and has exagerated the area through time.

I'm fighting this problem too. My overall fat re-distribution has been wonderful (face, thighs and rear are fine, breasts could use more), but I really wish less of it would accumulate below my navel. Still, if you look at genetic women, they too tend to accumulate it there (the "pooch") as they get older.

My problem though is I'm darn thin in most places, and really can't afford to lose weight. When I do, it just makes my face look gaunt and my arms look anorexic... yet my "pooch" or whatever thay call it remains the same. It's annoying, but it also seems to be a common problem for all women.

I really cut back on my sugar intake, avoid fat calories like the plague, and tend to average around 1,300 calories per day (remember I'm 6'2") and my lower stomach hasn't changed much. I do eat a TON of carbs though (rice and pasta), so I'm wondering if I/we should eat less carbs and more protein.

~Kate~

1300 calories and eating "tons" of rice and pasta? Do you keep a food journal, Kate?

Don't know if it will help with the pooch but replacing some of the starchy carbs with fruits, vegetables and lean protein is beneficial to overall health IMO. A couple Amercian size servings of rice or pasta wouldn't room for much else on a 1300 calorie diet.

Quote from: melissa90299 on December 01, 2007, 10:35:42 AM
1300 calories and eating "tons" of rice and pasta? Do you keep a food journal, Kate?

Typically:

250 Cereal with a small amount of milk for breakfast
200 Soup or a "Healthy Choice" type frozen lunch
500 Fairly decent portion of pasta, tomato sauce, some cheese, small chicken piece (sometimes) for dinner
400 White or brown rice with a little margerine as an evening snack (often skip it or just eat green beans or something)

I'll vary it on occasion, having eggs for breakfast, or a veggie stir fry for dinner, etc. But I generally stick with the above.

No beef ever. No fish (hate it). Very little cheating with sweets (cookie now and then kinda thing).

What I *don't* do though is exercise. Ever.

~Kate~

Posted on: December 01, 2007, 10:48:25 AM

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Quote from: melissa90299 on December 01, 2007, 10:35:42 AM
Don't know if it will help with the pooch but replacing some of the starchy carbs with fruits, vegetables and lean protein is beneficial to overall health IMO.

Great advice, and I agree ;)

QuoteA couple Amercian size servings of rice or pasta wouldn't room for much else on a 1300 calorie diet.

My sense of a "large serving" is apparently WAY out of synch with America, lol. I watch people shoveling food onto their plates until they can hardly lift it and wonder, "How the HECK can they eat all that?" With pasta especially, I really do stick with "one serving" of 200 cals (plus all the stuff on I put on it).

~Kate~

I bet if you kept a food journal and measured everything you ate it would add up to more than 1300 calories. OTOH I don't think your estimate is as far off as it would be for most people with overweight problems and you seem to understand how small a "serving" really is.

Quote from: Berliegh on December 01, 2007, 06:37:01 AM
This has always been a worry for me and as time goes on even more so. Since starting perminantly on hormones in 2002 I have noticed alarming effects with my fat distribution. The aera where I had a little fat (my belly) is where the fat has increased (very much like male type fat distribution) and has exagerated the area through time. I still have (in comparison) very little fat on my legs, butt, thighs and face. I think my pic makes me look far better than it really is and it's not that recent.

Recently the fat on my belly is increasing, the more HRT I take and it has got bigger and it looks awful with my clothes off, very male type fat effect. I excercise a lot and walk to miles but the fat distribution continues in the wrong places mimmicking a male type fat - distribution. Has anyone got any serious solutions other than lipo?

I hear you, Berliegh.  I don't have a problem with my tummy but despite the many years on HRT, my body didn't change much either.  I would like to have broader hips and a rounder posterior, but that won't happen unless I go under the knife...
I can't complain about my face though.  HRT did change my face significantly, so I guess that's a good thing after all, huh?

I follow a rigorous diet as well but don't exercise.  I'm very, very thin at the moment; that's why I call myself a lollipop!  :P

Have you considered an abdominoplasty (tummy tuck)?

tink :icon_chick:

Quote from: melissa90299 on December 01, 2007, 09:41:42 AM
Tight-lacing corsetry?

Very funny...try wearing that on the beach?

Quote from: melissa90299 on December 01, 2007, 09:41:42 AM

Maybe you need to change your exercise routine to aerobic and strength training. It appears that "walking" is not doing it for you. I work out really hard. I have been told I have an hourglass figure. I don't really see it myself but I am highly critical of myself. Besides training in a gym, I try to maintain a diet high in lean protein, vegetables, legumes and fruit. I have mostly eliminated processed sugar and fats from my diet. I also use supplements, alpha lipoic acid, c-esther, fish oil and a bunch of other stuff. It ain't easy maintaining my sexy image at 59. LOL

Done all of those things mentioned above..

Quote from: melissa90299 on December 01, 2007, 09:41:42 AM
BTW implants really help make the waist look slimmer. :)

What kind of implants are you talking about: breast implants? buttock implants, hip implants?

Quote from: melissa90299 on December 01, 2007, 09:41:42 AM
PS I do wear a corset  a few hours a day, I have been told that one has to wear one almost 24/7 to get results so I don't know if the corsetry has heldped except while I am wearing one.

I tried that as well....

Quote from: melissa90299 on December 01, 2007, 09:41:42 AM

Another option is not to beat yourself up so much.

ok, but the general idea is a male to female transition, not a male to male transition...
but saying that...my friend who is about the same age as me has been on hormones for about 14 years and her fat distribution is far worse than mine. She has no fat on her legs and her face is really thin and she almost looks anorexic...

SInce your main problem seems to be not to be able to get rid of mid section fats.

I would recommend building up your buttocks, upper leg muscle and core muscles with
lifting.

This would boost your metabolism substantially and with a good diet and
low impact exercise, most fats there will go away.  But, probably not all.
You're WHR should also improve a lot.

You'll lose fat in the lower body too, but the muscles underneeth a smaller fat layer will
compensate (and there's less chance of getting cellulite that way).
Most of the good looking women have small layers of fat over muscles, its NOT
all fat.

I eat about 2500 calories per day and don't gain weight because my lower
body muscles are very devellopped. Though, they are covered by fat layers
so it doesn't look male in any way.

I'm sort of packing it on this winter, mostly because I've only been on HRT for three months and I'm sort of testing my limits, since I've never gained weight in my life.

I have the same issue I guess.  Not much I can do except exercise more.  It really only looks weird if your boobs are tiny though, and thankfully mine seem to be growing pretty fast.

I'd be happy with a curvy figure, personally.

~ BB

Also just a reminder, as woman get older, they also tend to tend to gain weight in the stomach. Middle aged spread or whatever it's called. So if you're over 40, you're not alone. plenty of ggs develop the same problem.

Middle age spread is linked to menopause and low estrogen levels.
Estrogen sends fat in gynoid patterns, when the T to E patterns are
closer to equal, fats go in the middle. That's why men have more fats
there. There's plenty of studies on metabolism and hormone to back this
up. Also, many women have too low muscle mass because they don't
exercise and thus gain weight on almost no calory intake.
The bigger the excess fat you have, the more you'll get in the middle section, fat secretes a lot of crap and has impact on insulin levels and cortisol, both impact where fats are stored.

Like I said, there is no miracle BUILD YOU MUSCLES! YOung woman have more lean mass than older ones and estrogen helps in fat redistribution. The advantage of muscles is that you can build them where you want, unlike fat.


I've gone from 185 -> 155 in 14 months with no starving at all. If your starving yourself there's a problem. As I said, I eat about 2200-2500 calories a day to keep my weight stable (that's A LOT), when I want to lose weight, I run a 350 calorie deficit a day which leads to almost a pound lost a week. Went from a size 10, to size 5 bottom, size 14 to size 6-8 tops. 38B -> 34C. I look much smaller, everybody keeps commenting on it.

What I don't get is that people seem to not understand that no matter what metabolism you've got, its always calories in - calories spent = weight gained or lost. There is no magic. Estrogen will lead fat to go to the right areas, it has less impact on visceral fatd lost, the fat behind the abdomen wall is mainly responsive to exercise and general calorie deficits.

I hear all the time.. I'm afraid if I lose fat on the stomach, I'll lose my hips. If your taking estrogen in decent amount and get rid of substantial middle fats which has an impact on fat metabolism, estrogen will be the main one to direct fat storage and your waist to hip ratio will increase substantially. Unless you've got very large shoulders which I is rarely the case in most TS, getting a low WHR is more important than getting bigger hips. And if you want bigger hips, weights are much more precise than hoping for fats to be stored in the right spot.

Hi Kate I have the same problem with the paunch. A few years before I came out and went on the hormones I had that paunch and it really bugged me so I stopped eating, Literally stopped eating and waiting for the paunch to go down. It didn't happen and I didn't realize until it began to affect me that I was anorexic. I was down to 85 lbs. but that wasn't the first time I had a bout with anorexia . It took over again about 3 years ago. When Wing Walker moved here with me I now have a corset to get rid of that hateful tummy. If the corset is the only answer for the paunch then be it.

Cindy   

Cindy, not eating has no effect on visceral fat (middle) and it wrecks your lean mass meaning your metabolism keeps going down so its harder and harder to lose fat without starving. The middle fats create their own hormones that impact fat distribution locally in the mid section. The only way to get rid of their impact is through exercise; diet doesn't work on this fat (that's one of the big mistakes people make). Once its mostly gone, estrogen's impact on fat distribution can work better in the mid section.

I think biology has something to do with it. Different people seem to have different things happen to them on HRT. I hear after surgery, however, things seem to work better.

Unless your HRT regime was insufficient,
there's no reason why post op would be better?
There's no magic in the operation, it removes the
gonads, if the gonads were already inactive,
what difference could it make? None.

Also, I know a lot of women with all kinds of bodies.

I know what I'm saying isn't helpful at all. I'm not sure what the magic secret is. Maybe get your hormones checked and that could be a start.

Quote from: Keira on December 01, 2007, 03:32:34 PM

I've gone from 185 -> 155 in 14 months with no starving at all. If your starving yourself there's a problem. As I said, I eat about 2200-2500 calories a day to keep my weight stable (that's A LOT)

In about that same time I've also gone from 174 to 135.  What you say about calories is correct, but I eat plenty.  I never count them.  I just eat as few carbs as possible, and when I do I make sure they are whole grain, never white wheat or rice, and corn is out of my diet.  I eat lots of salads, when possible, with olive oil and vinegar dressing.  Most of the commercial dressings are loaded with corn sweetener, the worst thing ever!  I eat no refined sugar.  Almonds are my favorite snack.  And I do fast waking for about an hour a day.  I've gone off most of my diabetes meds and the docs are amazed at how well I am doing.  It takes dedication but it also takes being dedicated to what is effective.  I have only 6 more pounds to go before I reach my ideal weight.

That being said, I've literally walked my butt off, what little there was to start with.  And it is almost impossible to find clothes now.  Size 4 or 5 jeans are not just everywhere. 

I wish you the very best of luck!

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I have a similar problem I have this little fat patch on my belly. What I have done is a lot of sit ups and diet (I know you herd all that) I really do not think you can do much more for the belly fat then exsersice and diet!

What you can due is exsercise your botox by using waits (I use 5lbs) I lay on my side and set the wait against my knee and rotate my leg (yes its slightly erotic) but it works and my hips show it and botox. Atleast you can even things out a bit.




Hope this helps
Keistina

One thing I've got to say. Most women, and TS, use far too little weights in their weight training to build muscles. The 5 pound example is a good one, its too low. You should be doing short serie at 90-95% of maximum you can lift once (3) and a 2-3 of longer ones at 80% (7). You should do that for all muscle groups you want to increase. IF you don't do that, you'll get a bit of muscle tone out of your weights, but not much else.

I trained at a national level (Canada) in high jumping from 15-23, so I've got a lot experience in what works. Just to give you a hint, my vertical impulsion with runnup was 3 feet 7 inches, that means I could put my mid back on the ceiling of a normal house by just jumping... My free standing jumping impulsion was 2 feet 9 inch, I could easily bang my shoulder on the ceiling and did it often as a parlor trick for guests :-). Until last year, I could still put my elbow to the ceiling, not bad for an old fart. HEHE.


The funny thing is that my highest jump as a male is higher than the current female world record 2m09 I believe. High jump is one of the sports where there is the greatest disparity in male and female records. Male muscle fibers are faster which has a great impact in a sport where you must transfer running speed into vertical speed.

Quote from: gothique11 on December 01, 2007, 09:20:53 PM
I think biology has something to do with it. Different people seem to have different things happen to them on HRT. I hear after surgery, however, things seem to work better.

Why? and what difference would it make? and what surgery are you refering to gothique?
I've seen plenty of M to F post op transexuals that look male with stick type male bodyshapes.

Until you've lost the mid fat which has a metabolic impact on fat distribution, you can't say anything about how you fat distribution will go. You've got to lose this first, no matter if it diminishes you hip initially, because you can't get a proper fat distribution from estrogen without it.

You've said plenty of time Berleigh that you don't want to lose the fat on the hips to lose the middle fat. I'm telling you its needed. The middle fat will mess fat distribution as long as it exists. Its called "metabolic syndrome" and its very unhealthy to keep fat there. Exercise can get most of it out if you run a calorie deficit; if your telling me its not going with exercise its because your not running a deficit!

I've got plenty of experience is sports and nutrition at a high level and I always wonder why people fight advices. My mother's way overweight and she's got a 1000 excuses for why she can't lose weight, none of which I believe because I see her behavior about food and exercise. We live on the same street so I see her very often. People don't realize their bad habits and behavior; that's why the US is overrun by overweight people.

My mother said she'd never seen somebody as thin as me right now, but I'm still only in the middle of the target weight!! Because of muscle mass takes less space and I'm in good shape and my frame is very very small I look very thin even though I probably have 10% fat.

Fat, GAH I remember being picked on by my mother for having "love handles" (I don't "love" them) I wasn't over weight I just put fat in the the guy areas. I even chased my brother around with a screw driver because he thought it would be funny to poke fun of me. It has always been a part of my problems.

Quote from: Keira on December 02, 2007, 09:53:46 AM
You've said plenty of time Berleigh that you don't want to lose the fat on the hips to lose the middle fat. I'm telling you its needed. The middle fat will mess fat distribution as long as it exists. Its called "metabolic syndrome" and its very unhealthy to keep fat there. Exercise can get most of it out if you run a calorie deficit; if your telling me its not going with exercise its because your not running a deficit!

I haven't got any fat on the hips? and I haven't ever said I have Keira. I am quite skinny apart from the fat that seems to aculimlate on my belly. I don't have a big butt or enough fat on my legs and it looks like male type fat distribution. I could stop eating and end up like all the other 'stick like' transsexuals you see which also cannot gain a female fat distribution pattern either...

What I'm telling you is first lose the behind the abdomen wall fat, which will mess up fat distribution process in the middle. Then, when its gone, eat normally or even slightly in excess and see where it goes.

There's no advantage in passability to running a bigger than one WHR and besides your belly from your description your already stick thin almost everywhere and you've got no fat in your face, etc. So, what is there to lose to trying it.

Quote from: Keira on December 06, 2007, 09:56:07 AM

What I'm telling you is first lose the behind the abdomen wall fat, which will mess up fat distribution process in the middle. Then, when its gone, eat normally or even slightly in excess and see where it goes.

There's no advantage in passability to running a bigger than one WHR and besides your belly from your description your already stick thin almost everywhere and you've got no fat in your face, etc. So, what is there to lose to trying it.

I think the main problem was that because pre - hormones I was quite thin and only had a llittle fat on my belly and no where else, but since hormones it's exagerated the fat in the same area.
That is what HRT does it increases the fat cells and if the only fat you have is on the belly, that's where it will go..

I will excercise more but I am dissapointed by the lack of feminisation on the body. I have yet to see a transsexual with real female fat distribution throughout their body. I'm not saying it can't be done but from the large amount of transsexuals I've seen over the years I haven't seen it personally..

But I will continue my quest to try and achieve it even though several people including a U.K NHS endocrinologist imply I cannot..

Has anyone tried an Ab Lounge ?  I have lost weight from 180 lbs down to 142-145 lbs. I lost that much in less than six months. And I didnt starve my self. I just totally changed my eating habits. No sodas. Only bottled water and Propel bottled waters. Drink lots of water !! No fried foods. Only grilled. Lots of fish and chicken. And yes vegatables too. And as for as excersise. The only thing I do is crunches on the Ab Lounge. Around 240 to 270 double crunches 3 or 4 times a week. That made my stomach go totally flat. But, thats just what worked on me. Give it a try. You may have luck too.

Targetted exercise cannot make your stomach flat (a bit flatter if your stomach muscles were very weak), because the fat behind the abdomen wall will still push on it. Its losing that weight which has flatten the stomach, not the ab exercises, though once the fat is gone, you do look better with nice abs :-).

Not trying to hijack, but this brings up another question:  Are there any exercises that will actually add bulk to your buns?  I'm critically lacking in that area.  As I lose weight it only gets to be more of a problem.  I do a lot of walking and have thought about ankle weights, but my legs are already muscular enough. 

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Squats are the best bet.
You could also could lie on the ground on your belly
with your feet under a sofa
and pull yourself up vertically
(this would also strengthen the lower back
which is often neglected)
Isometrics, putting your back on the wall and doing
the chair is quite good for the buttocks and upper leg.
You need a wall with substantial friction.

Lifting the leg back is not my preferred option because
there's a lack of sufficient weight which means you'll
get more tone than muscle.

Quote from: Keira on December 09, 2007, 10:27:38 PM

Squats are the best bet.
You could also could lie on the ground on your belly
with your feet under a sofa
and pull yourself up vertically
(this would also strengthen the lower back
which is often neglected)
Isometrics, putting your back on the wall and doing
the chair is quite good for the buttocks and upper leg.
You need a wall with substantial friction.

Lifting the leg back is not my preferred option because
there's a lack of sufficient weight which means you'll
get more tone than muscle.

yep squats are about the only solution for that.

Posted on: December 09, 2007, 11:39:05 PM

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Quote from: Berliegh on December 07, 2007, 01:43:08 AM

Quote from: Keira on December 06, 2007, 09:56:07 AM

What I'm telling you is first lose the behind the abdomen wall fat, which will mess up fat distribution process in the middle. Then, when its gone, eat normally or even slightly in excess and see where it goes.

There's no advantage in passability to running a bigger than one WHR and besides your belly from your description your already stick thin almost everywhere and you've got no fat in your face, etc. So, what is there to lose to trying it.

I think the main problem was that because pre - hormones I was quite thin and only had a llittle fat on my belly and no where else, but since hormones it's exagerated the fat in the same area.
That is what HRT does it increases the fat cells and if the only fat you have is on the belly, that's where it will go..

I will excercise more but I am dissapointed by the lack of feminisation on the body. I have yet to see a transsexual with real female fat distribution throughout their body. I'm not saying it can't be done but from the large amount of transsexuals I've seen over the years I haven't seen it personally..

But I will continue my quest to try and achieve it even though several people including a U.K NHS endocrinologist imply I cannot..

hon, what i've been trying to get across to you and others is that it's quite normal for females not to have the typical female fat patterns (waist ratio smaller than hip ratio, thighs and plenty of junk in the trunk). I'm genetically female and have the typical 'male fat pattern' (hip ratio smaller than waist ratio, bulk of weight on stomach).
If there were a cure for this type of thing, it'd been discovered by the hip-less and butt-less long ago.

I was with my second bout with anorexia when I started on the hormones 7 years ago. I weighed 85 lbs. Once I began to eat and taking protein supplement I went from 85 lbs to 125lbs I would say that's normal for a 5' 3" person. Got a bit more  fat on the stomach now, bust then I had some there even before I started the hormones when I was anorexic. 

But I can see the results of where the fat was distributed where it should on the hips the calves of my legs and on the butt. And I wear 36b bras. Pretty good shape for an old gal.

Cindy

I'm always surprised about people reporting their weight.
I'm 6 foot and 155 and have a lot of muscles still, when
I'm closer to female avg I'll be around 140 and size 4 top and bottom.
I'm a smal 34C (B is too tight) and I'm sure I'll end up being a small 32D. Which is small frame for a 5 foot female let alone 6 foot.


Cindy, if you've got belly fat despite being lean its probably
visceral fat, the worse. Do you exercise? Even moderate
exercise can get rid of visceral fats.

Boy, can I relate to this! Ever since my girlfriend stopped smoking and started eating, I got fat! I had quit my very physically demanding job, and was in nursing school, doing a lot of sitting. I gained over 20 lbs. I walk and ride my bike every day, but it is still climbing. I have cut out a lot of fattening food, ice cream, milk shakes, french fries, pizza, but nothing seems to work. I tried on a suit yesterday to wear to go job hunting, and the skirt wouldn't zip up. The added weight makes my butt hurt so I have to use a cushion to sit in most public places. I am just about ready to slit my wrists over this, and have considered stopping HRT! I was heavy once before, and took off 20 lbs, but I don't seem to be having any luck this time. Other than that, I feel great. Guess I'll try to get back to 400 crunches a day...Maybe if I got a boob job.... ::)

Crunches are not the best bet.
Build your muscle mass in the lower body to increase metabolism.
Count all calories you eat during the day, I think you'd
be surprised how much you eat. As you muscle mass
shrinks with HRT, you have to eat less than before
or you will gain weight.

I always check the labels to see how many calories there are.
I know exactly how I need in a day, eat slowly to let my
internal appetite suppressor tell me when I've got enough.
Cut portions, eat in smaller plates. If your eating much pizza, cut
that for sure.

Berliegh

Trying to gain Female Fat Distribution
« on: December 01, 2007, 07:37:01 am »
This has always been a worry for me and as time goes on even more so. Since starting perminantly on hormones in 2002 I have noticed alarming effects with my fat distribution. The aera where I had a little fat (my belly) is where the fat has increased (very much like male type fat distribution) and has exagerated the area through time. I still have (in comparison) very little fat on my legs, butt, thighs and face. I think my pic makes me look far better than it really is and it's not that recent.

Recently the fat on my belly is increasing, the more HRT I take and it has got bigger and it looks awful with my clothes off, very male type fat effect. I excercise a lot and walk to miles but the fat distribution continues in the wrong places mimmicking a male type fat - distribution. Has anyone got any serious solutions other than lipo?



That was me in 2007, it's now 2015 and I'm still trying to get female fat distribution? From my own experiences as many of you already know I have personally been disappointed with my poor development from hormones, especially taken into consideration that I have been on prescription hormones for nearly 14 years. Some of you may have a different story and the medication has given you the physical changes you were hoping for? if so I'd be interested to know details of your medication product and regime? or maybe like me you have been struggling to find something that works?

My present proportions are a U.K size 12 on the bottom and a U.K size 16 to 18 on the top. Women are usual the other way round and the lower body is slightly bigger or the same as the upper body. I have have seen very few if any disproportionate women. I am not look for the perfect shape, just a shape that is more physically proportioned as a female. For me a transition isn't about just having SRS, or what clothes you are wearing, for me is is about a physical change which I think determines your gender to others.

That's quite the thread necromancy haha!

I, like many many others here, will never, never have supermodel proportions.  Cool thing though:  most cis-girls will never have that either, so... touché

What are your measurements in terms of bust / waist / hips though, if you don't mind sharing?

Quote from: Ⓥ on June 20, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
That's quite the thread necromancy haha!

I, like many many others here, will never, never have supermodel proportions.  Cool thing though:  most cis-girls will never have that either, so... touché

What are your measurements in terms of bust / waist / hips though, if you don't mind sharing?

I don't think you understand the situation at all? This does not relate to supermodels. I am talking about just trying to get any kind of basic female fat re-distribution. I don't know what my measurements are but what I do know is I don't have any hips and very little breast development. My waist is not good as HRT seems to encourage fat to deposit in the belly area.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 22, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
I don't think you understand the situation at all? This does not relate to supermodels. I am talking about just trying to get any kind of basic female fat re-distribution. I don't know what my measurements are but what I do know is I don't have any hips and very little breast development. My waist is not good as HRT seems to encourage fat to deposit in the belly area.

I wrote a longer reply but they say brevity is a virtue...hehe.

Obviously, to start, anyone would say "talk to your doc" but after 14 years, is it safe to assume you've been on an optimized dose for a hot minute?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 22, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
I am talking about just trying to get any kind of basic female fat re-distribution.

This is genetically predispositioned... there are also cis women with normal health and hormonal balance who don't have typical feminine fat pattern. You could think of surgical route, if you think a change of body appearance would improve your well-being...

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 20, 2015, 10:35:08 AM
Berliegh

That was me in 2007, it's now 2015 and I'm still trying to get female fat distribution? From my own experiences as many of you already know I have personally been disappointed with my poor development from hormones, especially taken into consideration that I have been on prescription hormones for nearly 14 years. Some of you may have a different story and the medication has given you the physical changes you were hoping for? if so I'd be interested to know details of your medication product and regime? or maybe like me you have been struggling to find something that works?

My present proportions are a U.K size 12 on the bottom and a U.K size 16 to 18 on the top. Women are usual the other way round and the lower body is slightly bigger or the same as the upper body. I have have seen very few if any disproportionate women. I am not look for the perfect shape, just a shape that is more physically proportioned as a female. For me a transition isn't about just having SRS, or what clothes you are wearing, for me is is about a physical change which I think determines your gender to others.

hugs... I have a similar issue too, 12 years of HRT, Size 12 waist, still loose'ish bum, Size 14 top. My top hips have gotten some well needed fatty deposits, but rear end is a big "fat" no  :'(  Even tried putting a little weight on (size 14 tops a little tighter for me now... hard bit is loosing it again (about 3 ~ 4Kgs need to loose))

Kinda agree with mmmmm on this

My work around is to wear tops that flare about the hips when in Jeans, and flaring dresses during warmer months, just helps a tad....

Not sure I want to pour more money into surgery than I have too tho  :-\

L Katy  :-*

My fathers side of the family gave me my weigh gain pattern and it's spare tire and tummy. I am 5'14" and before hormones I was 145 pounds. Hormones bumped me to 165. For my hight the maximum weight should be 190 but over the years I drifted to 203. The last few months I have been on a diet and am back to 185 with a target weight of 170-175. The spare tire is pretty well gone and the tummy is better but I suspect the days of the flat tummy are gone. The best measure to check if you are where you should be is grab a handful of skin in the area that bothers you and see how thick is is. If the area is over an inch thick you may be carrying more weight than you should. This is called the pinch an inch test. My spare tire passes the pinch test but my tummy still fails. Hopefully the last 10 pounds will do the job.
In any case, the biggest problem I now have is that my pants don't want to stay up. As they are pull over they are tight over my hips but lose at the proper hight so I can't go down a size.

Btw,

I brought up models to exemplify something many of us will never achieve.  You'd like to achieve more fat distribution.  As was mentioned before, it honestly may not be in your genetics, as a model physique is not in mine.  Cliche is cliche, but women come in all shapes and sizes... my best friend is cis and has almost no hips, a straight waist, and her extra calories (if you will) does indeed accumulate in her belly.  She's a beautiful woman, regardless!!!

Also, it's a fact that as we age, no matter what sex/gender/hormone-levels-in-the-body, fat starts to go to the belly more and more.

I really wish I could find a suitable answer for you though!  If surgery isn't an option (body contouring can produce amazing results), a diet with more healthy fats and cardio exercise may help, or (probably not ideal) shape-wear that can go under clothes to enhance hips & booty.

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 20, 2015, 10:35:08 AM
Some of you may have a different story and the medication has given you the physical changes you were hoping for? if so I'd be interested to know details of your medication product and regime? or maybe like me you have been struggling to find something that works?

Not sure how much I can help. I did get what I was hoping for. I've been on estrodiol, spiro and progesterone since the start. I dont know if it made a difference or not but I was immediately started on a average to high dose of estrogen so from day 1 I've been taking all 3. The only dosage that changed was my spiro because my T levels spiked at about a year in a half. My fat redistribution at 39 months is the same like other woman my age(im 25).

My shoulders, arms, legs thighs, calfs its all rounded out really well. Prehrt I was very thin and I wanted curves so made I made it a goal to gain weight. It took about 2 years  to gain 20-25 lbs I went from 120 to 142. To be fair a lot fat has accumulated in my stomach but its the same with any other women. We all have that pouch/pudge area. Although a lot of the fat goes there, it also goes to my hips,thighs the most and a bit to my breasts. I have my mom's body shape so its definitely genetics at work here. My waist is like 27-28" and hips 39" The change that took longest for me was my waist. It became much more defined in the past year or so.

I did notice more changes when I switched to injections last year but a lot of it was subtle. My back has gotten a lot smaller so I think I've lost most of my muscle mass if not all by now. Everything fits really well where as before I struggled with tops and bras cause of my back's size. My upper body overall has thinned out nicely. I was surprised to see how thin my neck became too.

As far as my diet goes I just eat lots of protein and at least 3-4 small portioned meals a day. I'm pretty happy with my current weight but I'd like to gain some more lbs.

Squats, Squats, Squats.

I'm slim,6 foot and my exercise is skiiing and cycling.My avatar is from a month ago and it's made me think that OK I've got a boyish figure but it's still actually quite a nice one.My clothes are UK/NZ 12 top and bottom and I still sometimes think I could be curvier but it really is hard to put weight on so I've given up. It is what it is!

Quote from: Ⓥ on June 20, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
That's quite the thread necromancy haha!

I, like many many others here, will never, never have supermodel proportions.  Cool thing though:  most cis-girls will never have that either, so... touché

What are your measurements in terms of bust / waist / hips though, if you don't mind sharing?

What exactly constitutes supermodel proportions anyway?

I was on a very effective high dose of pellet HRT and after 2 years noticed very minimal difference in fat redistribution except for much softer skin due to more subcutaneous fat (superficial under the skin). That part was a complete success, I no longer looked "cut".

At around 2 years I decided to go through with a fat transfer, for which I gained about 20lbs to have more material to move around. During the gain, most of the fat went to my tummy- even though most of the women in my family tend to gain it on their hips w/ a flat butt (along with belly).

After the fat transfer I am very happy, now I am balanced from top to bottom and my butt is a lot bigger. Way more confidence.

Measurements went from
37-29-36
to
38-29-40

Since the fat transfer I gained another 10lbs, and it went mostly to my thighs and butt with some going back to my waist (which was lipo'd). Current measurements 38-30-41.5. The fat transfer was great in my opinion, but I am going in for a second round to focus on hips- the 1st round of fat transfer a lot of the fat injected into my hips ended up being reabsorbed.

I think it's a great procedure. Not for everyone, but if you really want to take care of "problem areas" such as the little pooch below your navel and lovehandles- there seem to be limited options other option than becoming VERY thin. I like having curves, being thin was not an option for me!

Quote from: Skeptoid on June 25, 2015, 09:33:40 PM
What exactly constitutes supermodel proportions anyway?

5'10" 34-24-34 is about the average

Quote from: hvmatt on June 25, 2015, 02:03:51 PM
I'm slim,6 foot and my exercise is skiiing and cycling.My avatar is from a month ago and it's made me think that OK I've got a boyish figure but it's still actually quite a nice one.My clothes are UK/NZ 12 top and bottom and I still sometimes think I could be curvier but it really is hard to put weight on so I've given up. It is what it is!

I love Skiing and cycling (off road) too  8)

Hmmm keeping weight off is my problem, found chocolate and a very sweet tooth... grrrr

L Katy  :-*

Hi Girls;
Jennygirl has just posted another 4 pictures and more details of her fat transfer to hips and buttocks on line at Real Self.com after  10 months
https://www.realself.com/review/beverly-hills-ca-brazilian-butt-lift-revision-dr-hughes-wider?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NL2XWeekPMT%202016-08-02&utm_source=Sailthru&rsuid=1543959&utm_term=All%20Other%20Newsletter#

WOW!    She looks great!!   If you ever communicate with her congratulate her and wish her my best!

Emily

Wow is right!  This thread has been around quite a long time so its most definitely an issue that affects many (most?) of us.  I've heard the stories about weight gain on HRT so I've been pretty motivated to avoid that possibility at all costs.  I too suffer with male fat storage patterns - both good (boobs/chest) and bad (beer belly) exacerbated by years of denial, avoidance and apathy and poor eating habits. 

Since making the commitment to myself to confront my gender issues and move forward with my transition, I've been able to substantially reduce my belly size by incorporating core focused exercise as a key part of my regimen.  Actual weight loss has been modest so far but I am making progress with the combination of cardio, strength training and a change in eating patterns - especially portion control and (not) eating after 8 PM. 

Far be it from me to give advice on this topic to anyone, I struggle with the same weight and body issues as many of us do and Einstein's definition of Insanity is particularly germane here. For me, there really is no shortcut - it was really easy to put on the weight and taking it off is indeed VERY hard work.    I try to visualize how I want to look in that LBD that doesn't fit anymore (yet) and use that image to maintain my motivation.  When I fall off the wagon, I forgive myself and get back on with the program.  You're never too old to make positive changes and with concerted effort your body will respond.

I have been fluctuating up and down within an 8 pound range for some time. It seems like when i lose a few, i lose it from male pattern areas and when i gain it back it goes to female pattern areas (breasts, hips and butt). My butt is so much larger that i am uncomfortable in some jeans from a couple years back.

I'm not sure fluctuating is a good strategy but there you have it.

Agree. Jennygrl looks amazing

Nice old thread is too.

Weight can surface anywhere. Face hips tummy thought butt. Hereditary. Hugs Shannon